Post trib or pre trib rapture?
Steve Webb [09/15/2015 8:40 AM]
Steve Webb [09/15/2015 8:48 AM]
Or a much better defense: http://youtu.be/mN960T7Qq1A
John Kissinger [09/15/2015 9:58 AM]
Ricky Grimsley [03/09/2016 10:21 PM]
Kerry Collins [03/09/2016 11:24 PM]
Ricky Grimsley [03/10/2016 12:17 AM]
I would love to hear how 2 Thessalonians chapter doesnt destroy pretrib?
Michael Marquez [03/10/2016 12:35 AM]
PreTrib all the way. God used that message to bring me to a place of repentance. I was not “scared into the kingdom”. But I knew what I was hearing was true and I needed to make a decision. Some think the PreTrib teaching is unscriptual and of the devil. But we must remember that God does not use the devil and false teaching to draw people to Christ. God draws you through Truth not lies.
Ricky Grimsley [03/10/2016 8:11 AM]
Jude says “saving with fear” is a valid thing but pretrib rapture is easily disproved. Pretrib is unscriptural but i wouldnt say it is lies, just misunderstanding.
Ricky Grimsley [03/10/2016 8:20 AM]
1 Thessalonians chapters 4 and 5 let you know that the “day of the lord” at least starts with the rapture. 2 Thessalonians lets you know that “that day” will not come until after a great falling away (apostasy) and the man of sin (antichrist) is revealed. I could go on all day but what more do you need.
Ricky Grimsley [03/10/2016 8:21 AM]
If anyone is interested. Here is a good teaching. https://youtu.be/JV2txxxdVEQ
Ricky Grimsley [03/10/2016 8:22 AM]
The pre-wrath position keeps a consistent view.
Troy Day [03/10/2016 10:03 AM]
Ricky Grimsley 2 Thess.2 has no relevance here. Dont be a one trick pony, brother 🙂
Ricky Grimsley [03/10/2016 10:24 AM]
How is 2 thess not relevant? Also. When will christ leave the father’s right hand…..not until his enemies are his footstool. When is that. Psalm 110:1 KJVS  The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Brody Pope [03/10/2016 10:29 AM]
Put that an arrow pointed upward (to show the rapture of the church) before the tribulation period and then an arrow pointed down (to show to coming of the Lord for the millennial reign) after, and you got it.
Ricky Grimsley [03/10/2016 10:32 AM]
Sounds great in a sermon but isnt scriptural.
Brody Pope [03/10/2016 10:38 AM]
The bible says that WE (the church) are not appointed unto wrath. The Jews however must go through the tribulation.
Ricky Grimsley [03/10/2016 10:41 AM]
Yes and thats why i hold to the “pre-wrath” view. We arent arent appointed to “God’s” wrath. God’s wrath is well after the midpoint. We will see the wrath of man and the wrath of satan as many of our brothers in christ now experience throughout the world.
Troy Day [03/10/2016 11:00 AM]
Brody Pope [03/10/2016 11:05 AM]
I take it as that we are not appointed unto any wrath.