Demonic Origins of the Transgender issue

Posted by William DeArteaga in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post

John Kissinger [11/02/2015 7:37 AM]
main question here: can these demons enter a Christian? #rare

William DeArteaga [11/02/2015 7:45 AM]
Yes, look at Ananais and Sapphira in Acts 5.

John Kissinger [11/02/2015 8:07 AM]
I encountered a #Calvinist some times ago, who claimed GOD predestined him to become #homosexual – – – Comments?

William DeArteaga [11/02/2015 9:30 AM]
Awful, but it indicates the weakness of the Church in ministering change to such persons.

Timothy D McCune [11/02/2015 10:26 AM]
I do not believe a demon can enter a Christian. Because a Christian has Christ in him or her a non christian however is an open vesal.

John Kissinger [11/02/2015 10:28 AM]
so are you saying a Christian cannot backslide, fall from grace and be possessed?

Charles Page [11/02/2015 11:36 AM]
how can demons occupy a Christians if they are in the bottomless pit with their master?

John Kissinger [11/02/2015 4:09 PM]
who is in the bottomless pit in your question? Rick #grammer

Timothy D McCune [11/02/2015 4:33 PM]
I am saying if a person is a Christian that person will be full of Christ and it will be impossible for a demon to enter. In order for a demon to enter a person Christ would not be in that person therefor that person would not be a Christian and I doubt if there ever committed there life to Christ.

John Kissinger [11/02/2015 4:41 PM]
I agree – thou there’s very little Bible to back up what you’ve said

Timothy D McCune [11/02/2015 4:42 PM]
^Thanks.

John Kissinger [11/05/2015 6:54 AM]
do you think there’s a connection here? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/who-were-the-benehaelohim-were-they-fallen-angels/

John Kissinger [12/08/2015 7:49 AM]

Dealing With Demonic Powers in Your Church?

26 Comments

  • Mary Ellen Nissley
    Reply May 20, 2016

    Mary Ellen Nissley

    1. Not all Christians are full of the Holy Ghost. that’s why God tells us to be filled! Why would He tell us to be filled with the Spirit, if we already are?
    2. The idea of demonic ‘possession’ isn’t actually quite Biblical. The actual Greek word is more literally translated “demonized”, which means “vexed by a devil.” Demons cannot actually “own” a person. They may try to grasp for control, and via an open spiritual door to evil, gain almost complete control. The more control they can gain, the more one is “vexed” by that demon.
    3. And yes, Christians can be vexed by devils. Because Christians can “give place to the devil.” The more a Christian gives place to a devil, the more that Christian opens himself to vexation by the devil.
    4. No human can know by human logic, at what point one walks away from God, and leaves the position of salvation in Christ. (Salvation is a position, rather than a possession.)
    5. Therefore, it is impossible for us to say whether or not a specific individual who is vexed by a devil is a Christian or not.

    Central truth: If one is vexed by a devil, we have power to cast that devil out. Don’t quibble over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Just get the job done.

  • Troy Day
    Reply May 20, 2016

    Troy Day

    Thank you William DeArteaga for starting this topic and it makes lots of sense. I’ll be having fun watching someone prove that “daimonizomai” means vexed 🙂 John Conger David Lewayne Porter Ricky Grimsley Vlad Stepanov

  • David Lewayne Porter

    Troy
    Exactly.
    I guess I totally misunderstood the state that legion was in when the spirits left him and entered the pigs (swine).
    Or when Jesus explained the empty yet cleaned house which ends up with 8 spirits (7 that are more wicked that the first).

    I have talked with more than several individuals who have been possessed, and they totally disagree with the previous comment (as ones that have been there and lived through this).

    Ex satanists are interesting to talk to as well.

  • Ricky Grimsley
    Reply May 20, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    Yeah i think if you dont believe people can be “possessed” with the devil perhaps you need to get out more. Certainly people who are saved can be oppressed by the devil but not possessed. As far as “vexed” personally i have always felt it had to do more demonically caused sickness as opposed to possession.

  • Mary Ellen Nissley
    Reply May 21, 2016

    Mary Ellen Nissley

    I think of possession as ownership. I do think people can be completely controlled by a demon inhabiting them. But this is not ownership.

    Perhaps, though–
    (just thinking out loud here… I have nothing to lose, really, but my pride–and I have prayed for that to die long ago. lol)
    –perhaps possession ISN’T necessarily ownership, but simply to hold something AS IF one owns it. (As in “possession is 9/10 of the law.”)

    God said “all souls are mine.” (Ez 18:4)
    So, even if someone is “grievously vexed with a devil” as the gentile woman’s daughter in Matt. 15:22, their soul is not owned by Satan.

    That’s the Word that I based my first comment on.
    (…and I still think I was right.)

  • Ricky Grimsley
    Reply May 21, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    I disagree. 1 Corinthians 6:20 KJVS
    [20] For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

  • Ricky Grimsley
    Reply May 21, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    Who were we bought from. How can we be “redeemed” if God already owns us. Look at Romans 1. God can in fact “give up”on people. Perfect possession? The occult certainly believes in it.

    • Mary Ellen Nissley
      Reply May 21, 2016

      Mary Ellen Nissley

      I’m sure you have heard the little story of the boy who lost a toy boat. He found it in a second-hand toy store further down-river. He bought it back.
      Legally, who owned the boat, while it was on display in that store? Is “finders keepers” true?
      Or did the boy perhaps legally still own it, but the one who had it in their possession claimed (falsely) they owned it?

  • Mary Ellen Nissley
    Reply May 21, 2016

    Mary Ellen Nissley

    I think we can ascribe more power to the devil than he actually has. Just because they say something in the occult, does it mean it’s true?
    God said, “All souls are mine.” He is the Father of all spirits. And all spirits return to him, for judgment.
    On what legal basis can He judge them, if he does not own them?

    God owns all things. Yet, because of sin, some of His possessions are in rebellion, and are actually in enemy hands.

    Yes, he redeemed us. “Bought us back” as it were. But that was not because of who Satan is, or what Satan has done to God.
    It was because of who God is, and what He can do.

    All Satan has, is a lie. All he can speak, is a lie. There is no truth in him. (john 8:44) When he says, “I own you!” it’s a lie.
    Freedom comes when truth enters the soul.
    The truth is, that God owns the person.

    I’m not going to argue this point. I really think it’s an issue of semantics. I’ve given the Scriptures I based my original answer on.

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply May 21, 2016

      Ricky Grimsley

      Its not souls and spirits that are possessed. Its the body.

    • Mary Ellen Nissley
      Reply May 21, 2016

      Mary Ellen Nissley

      That was my point. Satan deceives people to think they are completely owned by him, when they aren’t.

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply May 21, 2016

      Ricky Grimsley

      Have you even been addicted to something? It owns you. You dont just decide you arent gonna be free from some things. Sometimes it kills you.

    • Mary Ellen Nissley
      Reply May 21, 2016

      Mary Ellen Nissley

      I have been addicted. And I know it takes more than a decision. I know what deliverance is.
      I think you are misunderstanding me.

      I am not saying that demon possession doesn’t happen. What I am saying is that satan lies. And all he can do is lie. The only thing that can set us free from lies, is truth.

      The truth is a person. Jesus.
      And when satan says he owns you, Jesus walks in and says the truth.
      He says No, Satan does not own you. I do.

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply May 21, 2016

      Ricky Grimsley

      So how are we redeemed if God already owned us?

    • Mary Ellen Nissley
      Reply May 21, 2016

      Mary Ellen Nissley

      The definition of “Redeem” is “to gain or regain possession of (something) in exchange for payment.”

      We are talking about possession. Not necessarily ownership.

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply May 21, 2016

      Ricky Grimsley

      So god pays for whats already his? He could just take it but he did it legally withe atonement because we were not his. Think of sons of god or sons of the devil.

  • Troy Day
    Reply May 21, 2016

    Troy Day

    There’s no point to argue really as fat as theology is concerned. Evil spirit of fallen angels embody human beings i.e. possess not just influence. It is a medically proven phenomenon Fr. William DeArteaga has proven that the transgender issues is caused by spiritual forces i.e. is demonic. There are other issues caused by demon possession as well http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/derek-prince-explains-the-tourettes-syndrome-pronouncement-of-curses-in-public/

  • Mary Ellen Nissley
    Reply May 21, 2016

    Mary Ellen Nissley

    Okay, I know where the disagreement is coming from.
    It’s the definition of the word “Possession.”
    To possess can mean both “to own, or to control as if one owns.”

    And in light of this, I concede.
    Demons can indeed control as if they own.
    In this sense, demon “possession” is very real.

    But in the sense that Satan owns God’s creation, no, he doesn’t.

  • David Lewayne Porter

    But he does control a portion of it for now as being the prince and The power of the air Ephesians 2:2.

  • Mary Ellen Nissley
    Reply May 21, 2016

    Mary Ellen Nissley

    Sure he does.

  • Vlad Stepanov
    Reply May 21, 2016

    Vlad Stepanov

    Interesting topic. Is it possible that transgender people are demon possessed? Yes, I believe a person can have evil spirits living in him. However, if the Holy Spirit dwells in someone’s heart, the evil one cannot enter it.

    What if modern demon possessions are manifested in different ways from the ancient times? This “pride” movement is getting annoying.

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 9, 2016

    Troy Day

    William DeArteaga Will these ever be REVERSED?

  • Troy Day
    Reply March 15, 2019

    Troy Day

  • Robert Erwine
    Reply March 15, 2019

    Robert Erwine

    we need to stop demonizing people

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