CAN A CHRISTIAN HAVE A DEMON?

CAN A CHRISTIAN HAVE A DEMON?
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Someone asked if I believed a Christian can have a demon. I thought my response might be helpful to others as well. I wrote:

I cut my spiritual teeth on deliverance ministry, soon after I was spirit-filled in 1973. I don’t disagree that “that demons can afflict real born-again believers,” but over the years I have come to understand the important spirit-soul distinction. The demonic can’t touch the perfected born again human spirit which has been sealed by the Holy Spirit.

However, the soul (mind, will, emotions) remains vulnerable, and mental strongholds definitely can be influenced by demonic oppression. Possession in a believer, no, since that would be taking over the essence of who the believer is in Christ in the human spirit. So, I have come to realize that deliverance for Christians is at the level of the mind, and we then need to teach them to take their thoughts captive.

Your example of Christian’s addicted to pornography is a good example of mental strongholds, where giving in to it invites demons and makes the habit more difficult to break without deliverance. Their spirit is still pure, sealed by the Holy Spirit, which is why the Christian will hate the sin that they are addicted to.

These type strongholds are often carried over from their BC days, and while the renewal of the mind to who they are in Christ is the ultimate long-term solution, sometimes deliverance is needed to break the cycle. This is true of alcohol and most addictions, even things that are often not recognized as addictions, such has selfishness, covetousness, anger, and chronic anxiety and depression.

So, can a Christian have a demon? Well, yes and no. Not in their human spirit, which is united with the Holy Spirit, but yes at the soulish level. This is my current take of the subject, which has evolved over the years with more study and revelation from the Word and some experience working with people with these issues.

70 Comments

  • Mike Partyka
    Reply February 19, 2020

    Mike Partyka

    Troy Day at what point do you discern between the flesh and the enemy?

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 19, 2020

      Troy Day

      not sure what you mean here Mike Partyka what does this mean? Isara Mo demons in the flesh?

    • Isara Mo
      Reply February 19, 2020

      Isara Mo

      Mike Partyka
      Very good question.

    • Isara Mo
      Reply February 19, 2020

      Isara Mo

      Troy Day
      Is sin in the flesh Troy?.
      Where does sin indwell a person?
      In his flesh…? Is that why we call it “the body of sin?”
      Can demons live out of the body.. YES.
      And in the body. YES.
      The Gadarenes demons asked Jesus to allow them to shift ftom a human body(flesh) to a herd of pigs(flesh).
      When an unclean spirit is cast out of a body it resolved to go back to it.. why?
      Is that a fulfillment of God’s curse on the devil that he will eat DUST all the days of his life?
      Could flesh be the diet for demons(??) and not all flesh but living flesh for demons don’t indwell dead bodies..
      Demons in the flesh?
      Yeah

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Troy Day

      Isara Mo we have learned from UNGER and others THAT speaking on demons ONLY in the flesh is a very dangerous DUALISM doctrine that borders heresy

    • Bruce Gordon
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Bruce Gordon

      Mike Partyka Good Question. Ed Murphy’s book, Handbook for Spiritual Warfare goes into this in depth.

      We don’t want to call all problems demonic. This is why the Catholics insist on thorough examinations to exclude other causes, before considering deliverance.

      But in my experience, someone with persistent strongholds of sin, past involvement in witchcraft or the occult, or deep relational trauma or estrangement often has at least some demonic oppression that is best dealt with after repentance, forgiveness, renunciation and release of all who have sinned against them.

      It is amazing to see how many people are harboring deep resentments, bitterness and such, all unhealed and all providing a foothold for various oppressions and sinful strongholds.

  • Sabrina Jones Hunt
    Reply February 19, 2020

    Sabrina Jones Hunt

    I do agree. A true born again believer can not be possessed. However, they can certainly be oppressed, bound, depressed, and afflicted at the soul and body level.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 19, 2020

      Troy Day

      The BIBLE makes NO such difference The word possessed is in the Greek demonized Isara Mo in the NT there were many demonized people that Jesus delivered

    • Bruce Gordon
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Bruce Gordon

      Troy Day quite true. The KJV and other versions unfortunately called ‘possession’ what current practitioners would better call oppression or being troubled by spirits.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Troy Day

      Bruce Gordon that is a good observation The sister is just plain wrong on her doctrine It sounds good but it is NOT Biblical – which is why demonized ppl are in the church

  • Louise Cummings
    Reply February 19, 2020

    Louise Cummings

    I say according to the Bible. No they. Can’t.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Troy Day

      where does the BIBLE say any of that?

    • Bruce Gordon
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Bruce Gordon

      Louise Cummings The Bible does not explicitly say either way about this in a way that Western believers would like. That said, the same could be said of a lot of other matters that we’d like more precision on.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Troy Day

      Bruce Gordon oh you are quite right Grandma is plain wrong on this one Their church do not deliver no body and though mentioning deliverance from time to time as a statement of faith dont practice it all the time in all services to all peoples and nations WE have come to a point in our churches that demonized people speak of deliverance without having been ever delivered themselves OR having experienced true deliverance ministry AND THERE is the problem at hand Daniel J Hesse Isara Mo Robert Borders

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Louise Cummings

      Bruce Gordon Tell me where in the Bible , that it says a Christian can have a devil or demon. You are delivered from sin when you are saved. Luke 9:42.And as he was yet coming (speaking of Jesus ) , the devil threw him down, and tore him. And Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit , and healed the child, and delivered him. Again to his father. ( that is enough to show me devils does not live in Christians. ). He also said bitter water and sweet water fors not come from the same fountain. ( telling me you can’t live a Christian life, and have the devil too. You have to separate your life from sin to live a Christian life. If you have Jesus in your heart. There’s no room for the devil. They Bible says they won’t live in the same Temple. So if you have a devil in you. How in the world could you have a devil. Especially when the Bible plainly says they won’t live in the same Temple.

    • Bruce Gordon
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Bruce Gordon

      Louise Cummings you are describing the perspective basically taught by Merrill Unger before he changed his position. He later said that his early position was more a product of intellectualism and Western logic than biblical + theological analysis.

      Many people think that only beliefs specifically, logically described in the Bible can be considered biblical.
      But quite a few theological issues are not so described, but are drawn from biblical and theological analysis, such as the Trinity, church government, ministry structures and practices, to name just a few.

      The teaching used by deliverance ministers is drawn from an exhaustive of Scripture as applied to years of ministry experience. This is valid, even if not minutely described in the Bible.

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Louise Cummings

      Bruce Gordon I believe in the Trinity The Father , Son, and The Holy Ghost. I don’t know Merrill Unger. I believe everything that written in the Bible. I believe the Bible will be what we will give an account to God for. If you lived it. I believe in deliverance ministries. That’s the gifts of The Spirit. I was healed of number four cancer. By a God. Through one of the greatest men you will ever find. Brother T L Lowery. I guess at least twenty something years ago. God used him with that gift. I know some of the best you can find, that is used by the Gifts of the Spirit. I believe in the gifts of the Spirit. And the Baptism of The Holy Ghost. With speaking in other tongues as The Spirit gives the utterance. It’s all Bible. I believe in trying to learn as much about the Bible as you can. I know there are Theologians that study Greek and Hebrew. And explain how it was in Jesus day. I wish I could. But all I know is the Bible was written by Holy men of God as the Spirit moved upon them. Some spoken by God Himself. And some God breathed. I know it was written by men who wrote it down in our language, where we could read it. They was so strict. That if they made a mistake. They started all over again. And so sacred that I think it was after every word they changed pens. A lot of our knowledge came by

    • Bruce Gordon
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Bruce Gordon

      Giving thanks to God for your healing…

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Louise Cummings

      Bruce Gordon Thank you.

  • Nettie Miller
    Reply February 19, 2020

    Nettie Miller

    No No and No

  • Bruce Gordon
    Reply February 19, 2020

    Bruce Gordon

    As a deliverance minister who works exclusively with Christians, I like the approach taken here. He is sound and judicious, as well as practical.

    When I do trainings in churches and other settings, I sometimes mention two prominent Christian figures, one older and one younger, who changed their positions from No to Yes – Merrill Unger + Charles Swindoll. Swindoll actually wrote, in his book titled Demonism, that he had participated in some deliverance sessions.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Troy Day

      there you go – pls share with this group MORE

    • Bruce Gordon
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Bruce Gordon

      Troy Day very glad to. Perhaps you might message me offline with some of your thoughts.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Troy Day

      Bruce Gordon most even all my discussions on FB are in the this group to contribute our Pentecostal theology I welcome your posts in the group so we can discuss the church strategy against those attacking demons that are upon us

    • Bruce Gordon
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Bruce Gordon

      Troy Day I agree that it would be good for thoughtful and discerning discussions to take place here. This forum could be very good for seeing a strategic consensus develop over time.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Troy Day

      Bruce Gordon check out our historic Spiritual Warfare ONLINE Encyclopedia listings http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/?s=encyc

    • Bruce Gordon
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Bruce Gordon

      Wow this is very good, I will be looking through this. Thank you!

  • George Hartwell
    Reply February 19, 2020

    George Hartwell

    Don Basham was surprised when someone splashed holy water at him, out came a demon. In Christian Inner Healing when a memory is clear and healed there is sometimes an evil presence lingering. As we invite in the Life and Spirit of Jesus it leaves. Of course this is with Christians.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Troy Day

      Of course this is with Christians. is RIGHT I am not sure about all this holy water mambo jumbo but oh well 🙂

    • Bruce Gordon
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Bruce Gordon

      George Hartwell in my experience we see the same. Especially with people abused as young people. When they forgive + release their abuser and repent of all bitter feelings toward them we see huge freedom and healing of soul and body.

      We do not deal at all with engaging memories or visualization, just forgiveness, release, repentance and blessing, often accompanied by prayer to heal Wkr traumatized emotions and heart.

    • Bruce Gordon
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Bruce Gordon

      George Hartwell we are also trying to get away from the term Inner Healing, since it has for many Christians associations with new age practices. Charles Kraft uses ‘deep healing’ and I have started calling our process Total Healing, since dealing with sins and unforgiveness and trauma often brings healing to the entire person.

  • William Lance Huget
    Reply February 19, 2020

    William Lance Huget

    Colossians 1:13 (past tense): 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he love….

    A born again Christian cannot be possessed since they are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Those who think Christians can be possessed should talk about demonization/oppression, not possession.

    1) Mistaken/assumed identity: anecdotal stories of demons coming out of people may be counterfeit Christians who are actually unregenerate unbelievers (so the religious unbeliever is possessed, not a true Christian).

    2) Improper/Artificial dissection: Man is tripartite and some say the flesh/body/soul can be possessed, but not the spirit. We cannot artificially divide up the whole person. The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Demons can attack the soul/flesh, but cannot inhabit/possess/control the believer with the indwelling spirit /Christ.

    3) Putting experience about the Word: In some charismania (vs charismatic) circles, anecdotal stories of demons screaming out of Christians, etc. are putting subjective experiences/sensationalism (emotionalism/flesh/psychological nonsense/acting out, etc.) above the whole teaching of Scripture that precludes possession (vs oppression, etc.).

    Books like ‘Pigs in the Parlor’ and the deliverance industry that gives way too much attention to demons vs Jesus should show discernment, recognize sin/flesh vs demons, etc.

    There is a spiritual warfare, but there are not enough demons (1/3 of the angels) to go around to explain all the issues in billions of lives.

    We also have authority over them and should remove the grounds for their influence (repentance, renunciation, etc.) rather than give them too much or too little attention (be Christocentric, biblical, balanced).

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Troy Day

      verse FROM the BIBLE that says

      A born again Christian cannot be possessed

      ALSO a reference where ANYwhere in the Greek NT it says possessed and not demonized RichardAnna Boyce has stated that the verse you cited is only POSITIONAL

  • Troy Day
    Reply February 20, 2020

    Troy Day

    Bruce Gordon When they forgive + release their abuser IS but a small part that the FLESH plays in this as Isara Mo commented Demons in the flesh however is NOT the only area for deliverance Emotions and spirit are under attack here It is in the MIND that the war occurs no merely in the flesh

    Demons in FLESH only actually is a dualistic heresy and NOT pentecsotal at all In Pentecostalism we teach holistic deliverance of body, spirit and soul not some dualistiX misrepresentation of the BIBLE

    • Bruce Gordon
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Bruce Gordon

      I agree totally. As Neil Anderson and others have pointed out, a Truth Encounter often is called for, in order to minister God’s Truth to the afflicted person, to the end that they see the reality of their condition more clearly, and are able to change their thinking, which usually leads to considerably more freedom.

      This requires good teaching and discipleship and pastoral care to succeed. I gave a training workshop in an A.G. church last summer where the pastor was very pleased to hear how much I talked about these issues. I don’t hear other deliverance ministers talking about this. Maybe it’s cuz my heart is very pastoral to begin with.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Troy Day

      Bruce Gordon BTW good point on UNGER though he is NOT the only one I would LOVE to hear you on our previous UNGER topic on demonology AS most of us have probably missed something that you have noticed in his books

      http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/unger-definition-of-demon-possession-jezebel/

    • Bruce Gordon
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Bruce Gordon

      Troy Day I have his later book here, What Demons Can Do To Saints. I will look at this post and comment on it.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Troy Day

      WHAT do YOU think of Demon Possession and the Christian: A New Perspective Paperback – March 1, 1989
      by C. Fred Dickason?
      Can a Christian be demonized? This question touches upon the mental, physical, and spiritual welfare of many Christians. It is an issue too important to be ignored.
      In Demon Possession and the Christian, Dr. Dickason presents compelling evidence–from the Bible, theology, and counseling experiences–showing that Christians can indeed be affected by demon activity. He discusses demons, salvation, the authority of Christ, and the relationship of demons and believers. Through his clear and direct exposition, readers will gain a renewed appreciation of Christ’s love and power. This book equips Christians to fight spiritual battles–and win! William DeArteaga SEE MORE here http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/?s=encyc

    • Bruce Gordon
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Bruce Gordon

      The only book I have by Dickason is Angels, Elect and Evil, which covers much the same ground. He and Mark Bubeck and Unger all arrived at roughly the same position in the ’70s and ’80s, much to the consternation of their more conservative brethren. Bubeck taught at Denver (Conservative Baptist) Seminary, and Dickason at Moody. Dickason albrings in Kurt Koch’s work as a favorable supplement.

      I would be in general agreement with what I have read by these three men. Is there a particular issue or point that has been a source of discussion here?

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 20, 2020

      Troy Day

      Bruce Gordon WELL the difference with UNGER was that he was very much strongly against demonized christians BUT arrived to a new revelation ONLY by researching the BIBLE – this is extremely STRONG argument against believers who are not even close to his level of scholarship BUT claim christians cannot be demonized based on some fairy tales of theirs

  • Louise Cummings
    Reply February 20, 2020

    Louise Cummings

    You can be tempted with the devil. He did tempt Jesus. Jesus always cast the devil aside. He told the devil on the last one I think it was. Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. And the left Jesus alone for a while. You are always tell the devils to get behind you. That you have no authority over me because The Lord Jesus is my Savior.you have no place here get behind me satan. Did you know the Bible said not to give place to the devil. You might have a bird flu over your but you don’t have to let it build a nest there. Some of you sound like the devil can be in part of you but not your Spirit. I never heard of such stuff. I’m thankful I will take Jesus as my Savior. But your new doctrine. The devil can have part of you but not all. I know he tries to stop you by throwing stumbling blocks. But just steps on them keep them under your feet and climb on higher for Jesus. You might need to pray that pray that prayer that Jesus prayed or told us to pray when Jesus said to pray that you be ready when Jesus comes for us in the Rapture. When you are tempted pray. But don’t let him in. If you have the devil in you. You are none of His. That’s what the Bible says. You need to try the spirits to see if they are of God. Don’t listen to false teachers. The Bible says there will be a lot of them in the last days. You must have run up on some. If they meant like you are saying it.

  • Louise Cummings
    Reply February 20, 2020

    Louise Cummings

    When you are Blood bought and covered by The Blood Of Jesus. The devil can’t cross the Blood line of Jesus Christ.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 21, 2020

      Troy Day

      written NO where in the BIBLE with this words but oh well Does this also mean when you are Blood bought and covered by The Blood Of Jesus. you cant backslide and be demonized?

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply February 21, 2020

      Louise Cummings

      Troy Day you can walk away from God anytime. When you start getting cold and away from God. The devil can’t cross the Blood line is just common sense. If you ever read about Job on the Bible, the devil was always telling Job , I can’t get to Job because you have a hedge around him. And God did. He offered a sacrifice every day for him and one for his children. Now I know animals blood can’t save you. But that’s all they had in Jobs day. It wasn’t until God told the devil. Ok I’ll take the hedge down , so to speak. But you can’t take his life. When the devil started in on Job. What was the first thing the devil destroyed. It was all the animals. Why? So Job couldn’t offer an animal for a sacrifice. You see read all through tht Old Testament. And see how many types and shadows you find that points to Jesus hanging on the cross and shedding His perfect Blood to save us. How can we stay saved ? By keeping The Perfect Blood applied. Without the shedding of Blood there is no repentance. Without them using animal blood in the Old Testament. Which could not save you. It was under the Law. And the Law can’t save you. But it is pointing to the Grace period where Jesus would be the perfect Blood that can save you. Read Romans chapter six. It says if you have tasted the Heavenly gifts and believed in Jesus. He said there remains no more sacrifice for sins. If you let Jesus down after being saved. You have to go back to the Cross , which is the only Blood that can saved from sin. If there’s any leaving done it’s on your part. Not on Gods. He said I will never leave you or forsake you. So if the devil comes back in after being cast out. The Bible says he will bring in more and you will be worse than at the first. Through being covered by the Blood is our only hope. And the devil can’t get in unless you let him in. But the first thing the devil destroyed was the animals , where Job couldn’t have a sacrifice. But at the end of Jobs trial. I hadn’t looked up in particular. But look how many animals he got back. But Jesus Blood will never loose it’s power. It’s your only hope. If you don’t come to Jesus and believe in Him and trust Him and His shed Blood. Well that’s giving the devil full space to do what he wants to do. Oh I’m so thankful for the Blood. The devil don’t have a chance over the Shed willingly over the Blood of Jesus. You may not feel it. But I’m feeling good right now. I wish I could preach a message. Praise The Lord. Because He is worthy to be praised.

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply February 21, 2020

      Louise Cummings

      Troy Day no you can walk away from God. Lose your vision for the Lord. He doesn’t drive you away. It’s a willful thing. You just decide you can be more partakers of the world than I have been doing. You know you can backslide. I I thought you was always saved you are always saved , which is a false doctrine. You can’t do anything you want to and still be saved. You should k no ow I believe you can backslide. Or I don’t believe you can keep living a life of sin and be saved. Neither do I believe demons live in Christians. If you do. I have almost the shock of my life.

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply February 21, 2020

      Louise Cummings

      I meant I don’t believe in once saved always saved no matter what you do. The Bible said if you sin you are of the devil. Not my words it’s Gods Word.

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply February 21, 2020

      Louise Cummings

      The Bible says if any man sin. He is of the devil. For the devil sinners from the beginning. If you don’t believe that. You will just have to ask the Lord about that. I do no mean that to so to be taken that I’m pointing fingers. I just want people to know the truth. For the Truth will set men free. Jesus said He was the Truth. If I misunderstand something. I will be glad to listen to see if I have misunderstood. Because it is not my intent to lead anyone wrong. But at the same time , I can’t comprise. With the devil.

  • Darryl Forbes
    Reply February 20, 2020

    Darryl Forbes

    The Christian has the spirit of Christ inside. We are possessed by him. He doesn’t share living quarters with unclean spirits. Any demonic activity is restricted to what it can do from the OUTSIDE.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 21, 2020

      Troy Day

      this is TRUE – at least the first part it is Then you ALSO have to believe in ENTIRE sanctification BEFORE infilling with the Holy GHOST because in your own words He doesn’t share living quarters with unclean spirits.

      AS TO
      Any demonic activity is restricted to what it can do from the OUTSIDE.

      Robert Borders Isara Mo AND OTHERS believe demons are in the FLESH only not in your spirit BUT as of this I have already stated the danger of dualistic theologizing and is a BIG one

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply February 21, 2020

      Louise Cummings

      Darryl Forbes you got that right.

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply February 21, 2020

      Louise Cummings

      Troy Day yes you do have to be Sanctified before the Holy Ghost comes in. What does that do. It cleans you up , gets out the roots of sin. Then you are clean and washed in Jesus Blood. And ready for the Holy Ghost to come in. I will agree.

    • Darryl Forbes
      Reply February 21, 2020

      Darryl Forbes

      Troy Day isn’t saying the demons can inhabit the flesh while the spirit stays clean kind of opening the door for the teaching of knosticism?

  • Chris Westerman
    Reply February 21, 2020

    Chris Westerman

    Yes. Anyone can have a demon.

  • Louise Cummings
    Reply February 21, 2020

    Louise Cummings

    To Robert Borders and Isara Mo. There’s. no demons in the flesh. We put that old man , which is the flesh. To death. We become a new creature in Christ when we are born again. Read Johs Three. The whole chapter would be good. But when you are born again. You become a new creature in Christ. Old things have passed away and behold all things have become new. There is no demons in the flesh.

  • George Hartwell
    Reply February 21, 2020

    George Hartwell

    Christians argue based on verses rather than being in touch with reality as if experience means nothing. This creates a very intellectual argument far from heart and spirit.

    • Bruce Gordon
      Reply February 21, 2020

      Bruce Gordon

      George Hartwell good to see you chime in. This is just what Unger, and those following him did for decades. He and others like Swindoll started allowing for different ways of looking at the biblical data after having face to face encounters with people who earnestly desired more freedom in Christ, but whose bondages went fare beyond what could be explained by sin or fleshly habits.

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply February 21, 2020

      Louise Cummings

      George Hartwell How do you think we can know these things if we hadn’t been in touch with reality. If you only knew so of the things I have been through. Things I doubt you have never experienced. And pray you never do. But I got saved very young and filled with the Holy Ghost. I’m old now. But was young then. The Lord called me into preaching. I was raised poor. But had good Golly parents. I don’t regret a day of being raised poor. But the story is this. I got married. We moved to Chicago Ill and lived my husbands sister until my husband got a job. I got to watching tv all the time. Got hooked on soap operas. I’m not saying it’s a sin to watch tv. But it is when it becomes your God. I was watching it all day. Well where was my Bible reading. And my prayer time. We had our own rented place by then. I had a dream. It’s to long to tell all but it was a warning. I didn’t pray about it or anything. I started going through things the devil was putting. Like tell me I didn’t have a chance. And I even thanked God for the times I did feel Him. We had a revival at our church. And the minister looked back at me and said sister as far as I know I never seen you in my life but God showed you to me last night. That was the night we didn’t get to go to church because snow was to deep. That’s the night I prayed and told the Lord I had gone as far as I could. And I had to have help. He told me at the end of the service. I had been going through some hards times. And he prayed for me. The Lord would help me but it started all over again. The devil told me I had to fast that day. It wasn’t God telling me I don’t think because the devil tried to kill me. He had me fasting more meals than I are. But I was determined if it was God I would not eat. I lost weight down to almost nothing. But after about three years of that we had moved back home. And he said someone needs prayer. And I went up. This brother if he don’t feel I was the one he called the one he thought it was. So he called her up and when he prayed for her the Lord delivered me. I knew I was delivered. That is the reason it makes you think if you go through what I did. It was because I wasn’t listening to God. He had to bring me through some things to make me appreciated His Liberty again. And to think hell is going to be worse than what I went through. You want to make sure things is tight between you and God. So I don’t just hold on to what the Bible says because of argument. If I know the truth , I want others to know the truth. Believe me as old as I am. And things I have fought through. I know what reality is. Noe people that hadn’t hadn’t been tried. Might not take it seriously. But believe me I take it seriously.

  • Louise Cummings
    Reply February 21, 2020

    Louise Cummings

    If you let it in. But I don’t want around demons. That’s means you are in darkness. And I don’t want to stay in the dark. Jesus is the Light of nether world. I want to walk in the Light. Because Jesus is the Light of the world. I want to want to walk in the Light. That’s what Jesus is. The Light of the world. You won’t find demons hanging around in the Light. They stay in darkness. That’s the reason Christians don’t have demons. Because if you are a Christian , you are walking in the Light. But if you have a demon. You are walking in darkness. That’s where demons stay ,in slugest places , grave yards like the man Jesus cast legions of devils. When he was in his right mind , after the demons left him. He wanted to go with Jesus. But Jesus had a with for him to do. You go first to your family. And show them what the Lord has done. Then these cities around here go around there preach to these cities. I call it preaching. When you go from house to house telling them what Jesus had done. And believe me. The cities and towns knew about this man. But when they saw him and heard his testimony. Don’t you know a lot of people believed in Him. After Jesus started His miracles , I think it was about three years to preach and win souls. So He needed help. Don’t you think him casting legions of devils out of one man. Don’t you know people believed. When He fed 5’ooo men besides the women and children. Don’t you know a lot of people got the news. And followed Him. If some of the reasons was because of the love and fish. The miracles. Anyway His message got around in three years. They had a choice to serve Him. Or not to serve Hin. You have your choice. Walk in darkness.where the demons are. Or walk in the Light where Jesus is and except Him. You have a choice. I choose Jesus.

  • Reply February 21, 2020

    George Hartwell

    Inner Healing means healing of emotions. It means prayers for healing can be done for our emotional issues as well as our physical issues.
    Our ‘flesh’ is all the memories laid down through our life in which the perspective embedded in the memory is not God’s perspective. Inner Healing is the process of redeeming our memories to that God’s perspective replaces that of the old man, flesh, childhood.
    Christian Inner Healing is a professional practice that aligns with the psychology of memory reconsolidation – permanent change of emotional learning. It differs from other forms of psychotherapy because Prayer for Jesus to be Lord come early in the process and listening for God’s truth is central to the process.
    Deliverance is a minor outcome of full, complete and permanent healing of the memory. After the Inner Healing there is no stronhold – no place the demon can hang on to – and a very quiet simple prayer completes the process.

  • George Hartwell
    Reply February 21, 2020

    George Hartwell

    Inner Healing means the healing of emotions. It means prayers for healing can be done for our emotional issues as well as our physical issues.
    Our ‘flesh’ is all the memories laid down through our life in which the perspective embedded in the memory is not God’s perspective. Inner Healing is the process of redeeming our memories to that God’s perspective replaces that of the old man, flesh, childhood.
    Christian Inner Healing is a professional practice that aligns with the psychology of memory reconsolidation – permanent change of emotional learning. It differs from other forms of psychotherapy because Prayer for Jesus to be Lord come early in the process and listening for God’s truth is central to the process.
    Deliverance is a minor outcome of full, complete and permanent healing of the memory. After the Inner Healing there is no stronghold – no place the demon can hang on to – and a very quiet simple prayer completes the process.

    • Bruce Gordon
      Reply February 21, 2020

      Bruce Gordon

      George Hartwell we agree so closely. While I am not a professional or credentialed therapist, my wife and I use a lot of this approach in our ministry, which combines healing of memories and emotions, confession & renunciation of any sins or occult involvements, and whatever else needs prayer or straightening out. After that, actual deliverance usually goes quickly and quietly. Thanks for your contributions here.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 21, 2020

      Troy Day

      Bruce Gordon not convinced its emotions alone

    • Bruce Gordon
      Reply February 21, 2020

      Bruce Gordon

      Troy Day I agree. Is is heart and soul. Thanks for clarifying.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 21, 2020

      Troy Day

      Bruce Gordon and mind and brain waves and chemistry

    • Bruce Gordon
      Reply February 21, 2020

      Bruce Gordon

      Troy Day yes yes yes. Henry Wright and Art Mathias have taught me a lot along those lines. Thanks for the reminder.

  • Louise Cummings
    Reply February 21, 2020

    Louise Cummings

    There was some where I saw where I put the word neither. I think I was talking about the Light of the World. I meant to put Jesus is the Light of the world. When you see it know I was talking about the Light of the World. Every time I would start to fix it. I would lose the word. Sorry it was to long. I shouldn’t have written all that. But maybe it will help someone that’s going through trials. If you want that much erased. Just let me know.

  • Louise Cummings
    Reply February 21, 2020

    Louise Cummings

    I made it to long. I found one word on something I wrote. I didn’t mean that word to be in that place. Made my sentence sound wrong. I tried to fix it. But then I would lose the word. But in reading I hope all of you will understand what I meant. Thank you.

  • Troy Day
    Reply February 21, 2020

    Troy Day

    our general conclusion is YES they CAN

  • Troy Day
    Reply February 22, 2020

    Troy Day

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