What things are done wrong in church?

Posted by John Elder in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post

Things done wrong in churches.

Just because the Lords supper was instituted in the church don’t mean we should be bringing food from home and eating when we assemble together. Also when they ate the Lord’s supper it was not just a little cracker and a jigger of juice, it was a supper. Church get things right.

1 Cor.11:[17] Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. [18] For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that… there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. [19] For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. [20] When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper. [21] For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. [22] What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. [23] For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: [24] And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. [25] After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. [26] For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come. [27] Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. [28] But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. [29] For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. [30] For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. [31] For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. [32] But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. [33] Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. [34] And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.

Peter A Vandever [08/16/2015 2:34 PM]
We dont need any more Potluck Christianity.

Gilberto Rosado [08/16/2015 2:36 PM]
Was the purpoe the dinner or the symbolic rite?

Orlando Castellanos [08/16/2015 2:39 PM]

EVANGELIO DE NUESTRO SENOR JESUCRISTO SEGÚN SAN JUAN 6.51-58V.6: “EL QUE COME MI CARNE Y BEBE MI SANGRE, TIENE VIDA…

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Charles Page [08/16/2015 2:46 PM]
You can’t have church w/o pot luck. That is why all churches have kitchens. God’s design!!!

Peter A Vandever [08/16/2015 2:47 PM]
It is hard to have potluck when the Holy Spirit knocked everyone out in the Spirit and they are praying in tongues on the floor all afternoon 🙂

Gilberto Rosado [08/16/2015 2:47 PM]
Charles Page lol!

Timothy Carter [08/17/2015 2:44 AM]
John Elder fellowship with like minded believes is worship. Even Jesus had meals with His friends many times. However lets not get that confused with remembering Him in community and communion. These are two different things happening. Both are worship. Jesus did take the opportunity of community fellowship with his friends to introduce them to communion however He does not say that we must only do commuion during community fellowship neither does Paul. So why do you?

Pentecostal Theology [08/17/2015 8:11 PM]
Timothy Carter so what is then fellowship with non-like minded believers?

John Elder [08/17/2015 8:20 PM]
Yes have a supper, the Lord’s Supper but not a piece of cracker and a jigger of juice.

Charles Page [08/17/2015 8:31 PM]
cup of wine

John Elder [08/17/2015 8:32 PM]
They had a whole Supper, not just piece of cracker and a jigger of juice. What if someone comes to church hungry and everyone is eating a piece of cracker and a jigger of juice. Yes have a supper, the Lord’s Supper but not a piece of cracker and a jigger of juice. [22] What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

John Elder [08/17/2015 8:48 PM]
Yes wine, Jesus turned water to wine not juice. Why would they call Jesus a gluttonous and a winebibber if they drank juice ? Luke.7 1.[33] For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil. 2.[34] The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners! Math.14:22: And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body. 23: And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it. 24: And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. 25: Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Wine and strong drink, like whisky

Prov.20:1: Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Luke 7: 1.[33] For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil. 2.[34] The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

Jesus drank wine.

John.2

[1] And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: [2] And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. [3] And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. [4] Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. [5] His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it. [6] And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. [7] Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim. [8] And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it. [9] When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom

Isa.28:7: But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

NOTE> excess (More the necessary)

Eph.5:17: Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. 18: And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

1 Tim.3: 1: This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2: A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3: Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4: One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5: (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6: Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7: Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. 8: Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

1 Tim.5:23: Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake and thine often infirmities. (sickness)

Titus2:3: The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things

Charles Page [08/17/2015 8:50 PM]
use a good Kosher wine for communion!

John Elder [08/17/2015 9:04 PM]
If they didn’t drink wine, why can’t a Bishop drink wine. 1 Tim.3: 1: This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2: A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3: Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

Timothy Carter [08/17/2015 9:05 PM]
John Elder you said that all ready (about the craker and juice) Please help me to understand what is wrong with this cracker and juice shot. “As OFTEN as you do this do it remembering Me.” We remember Christ as we do however we don’t all always have the schedule for a church fellowship meal.

John Elder [08/17/2015 9:07 PM]
Titus2:3: The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things

John Elder [08/17/2015 9:15 PM]
If one come hungry you need enough food for there hunger. 21] For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.22] What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

Timothy Carter [08/17/2015 9:23 PM]
John Elder you said that already also.

John Elder [08/17/2015 9:32 PM]
It’s about people bringing food to eat at the church, someone might be there that’s hungry. Don’t do it unless your doing it for a Lord’s supper and have enough for someone hunger.

Timothy Carter [08/17/2015 9:33 PM]
Pentecostal Theological if we are gattered to houner Christ there is no such thing as believer of unlike faith. We all have faith in the same Christ. Fellowship with likeminded believers is is to fellowship with with those who believe in Christ. The Biblical Meaning of FellowshipAs we go back into history and dig deep into the original languages of the Bible, we will discover seven significant facts that help us to understand God’s intended meaning of the word, fellowship. The first fact concerns the meaning of the Greek root. Our English word, “fellowship” is the translation of the Greek word, “KOINONIA.” This Greek word is derived from the root, “KOINOS,” which was a prefix in ancient Greek. If you were to add this prefix to words meaning “living,” “owning a purse,” “a dispute,” and “mother,” you would get words meaning “living in community together,” “owning a purse in common,” “a public dispute,” and “having a mother in common.” So we see that the root of the word, “fellowship,” means “to hold something in common.”Our second fact relates to the usage of the word, “fellowship.” The Greek word, “KOINONIA,” was used to describe corporations, labor guilds, partners in a law firm, and the most intimate of marriage relationships. From the usage of the word, we can conclude that fellowship is a word denoting a relationship that is dependent on more than one individual. It is an interdependent relationship.A third fact is that “fellowship” was never used to describe man’s relationship to God before the coming of the Holy Spirit to indwell the church. It is an exclusively post-pentecost relationship.A fourth fact about the meaning of “fellowship” can be gleaned by comparing it to its New Testament synonyms. These are words which have overlapping but not the identical meaning of koinonia. The four synonyms of KOINONIA in the New Testament are philos, which means “related by love for outward characteristics”; hetairos, meaning a sharer in a common enterprise; sunergos, meaning a fellow-worker; and metochos, a participant. Each of these words denotes a unity which is expressed outwardly. This is true of fellowship but by contrast, fellowship is also an inner unity. This inner aspect of fellowship may be seen in verses such as 1 Corinthians 1:9:God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.This shows that fellowship with those who also believe in Christ is Worship of Christ.

Charles Page [08/17/2015 9:38 PM]
Timothy, you are advocating for closed communion and to an extent I agree with that. It is an exclusive service conditional upon one examining himself.

John Elder [08/17/2015 9:39 PM]
Why are you talking about fellowship and worship ?

Timothy Carter [08/17/2015 10:17 PM]
I was answing Pentecostal Theology question you can see her name in front of the statement. Also John Elder Communion is about fellowship and worship. If you don’t know that why do you think the Bible people are eating food so much? Do you think they just have big appetites? They are not American citizens. LOL ? Charles Page I am not saying that we should have a closed or open I am saying that John Elder should explain and not copy and paste Bible verses over and over again. John you did answer one time by restatement of what you were all ready posting. I am asking you a real question.

John Kissinger [08/18/2015 5:54 AM]
Yes “Things done wrong in churches” are done mainly in fellowship and worship. The rest is pews, carpet and stain glass windows (oh yes – and who controls the thermostat)

Timothy Carter [08/18/2015 7:10 AM]
So John Elder. (B you poke fun) Your useing the term “Lord’s Super” Which is used primarily for the purpose of the Eucharist. And you have copied and pasted so much Scripture about the eating and drinking of Eucharist. Are you against the church having a time of fellowship with the Eucharist which is how Jesus Christ introduced it. But you already said that you can’t understand why I am taking about fellowship. If we want to talk about the proper way to do Eucharist we must talk about fellowship and worship. The Eucharist is rolled up in that.

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