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1. Question:
Is “day of” an idiomatic expression, meaning “general time”?
Why does Luke say the day of the Passover came, when it had not?
Is there any historical evidence, or grammatical rules, that may suggest that this phrase was often used imprecisely, idiomatically?
- Then came the Day of: …
- Then came the Feast of: …
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Is it possible that: “It’s the Feast of Passover!” – may have have been understood the same way that we understand: “It’s Christmas Time!”, (a generalization, not necessarily the actual day);
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Are Verb Tenses Significant? (“Then came:“, Aorist, Imperfect, etc.)
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Are there any historical texts, that either confirm or refute this argument?
2. The Text:
NASB, Luke 22:1 – Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is called the Passover, was approaching.
Passover Came:
NASB, Luke 22:7 – Then came, (Ἦλθεν, Aorist Tense) the day
But It Had Not, Yet? :
NASB, Luke 23:17 – Now [Pilate] was obliged to release to them (at / κατὰ) the feast one prisoner.
John 19:31 – Then the Jews, because it was, (Imperfect Tense) the day of preparation, … for a Great Day was that Sabbath.
3. Research in Progress – Feel Free to Use:
Homilies on Matthew (Chrysostom), Homily 81 – And this one calls the day before the feast of unleavened bread, Luke 22:7 speaking of the time when they came to Him, and another says on this wise, Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed; by the word came, meaning this, it was near, it was at the doors, making mention plainly of that evening. For they began with the evening, wherefore also each adds, when the passover was killed.
Note: Although Augustine, (354-439) cited Chrysostom as an authority – I feel that what Chrysostom, (349-407) wrote is not conclusive because those works were not contemporaneous with the New Testament.
Varnel Watson
I have to strongly agree here Ricky Grimsley A Son for ever …
Ricky Grimsley
That scripture says it all. The lamb’s bride is arrayed in the righteousness of the saints and therefore the saints are her garment not her. The bride is the city new Jerusalem we adorn her built on jesus.
1 Peter 2:5-6 KJVS
[5] Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. [6] Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
Shane Brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdDgABc9x8w
Ricky Grimsley
Why cant people see? Look where it leads these days. One song in a worship service is about sloppy wet kisses and romance and then the next will be how God is our father and all that. It isnt logical
Varnel Watson
What does this comment even mean? What do people not see?
Ricky Grimsley
Revelation 21:9-10. I will show you the lamb’s wife…and then he shows him new Jerusalem. Its obvious. Look at the wedding parables of Jesus. We are the wedding guests…..every time.
Varnel Watson
Link Hudson Rico Hero quite good explanation here
Varnel Watson
Rico Hero I would have expect Link Hudson to jump on this one since it kills his theory on 1-2 Thes + the Restrainer and proves pre-Trib rapture but may be he will in 1-2 weeks or so Tim
Link Hudson
I see no proof of anything along those lines. I did hear a hint that he was ASSUMING pretrib about the tribulational saints. What part are you talking about.
The LXX even uses ekklesia to refer to Israel. I am not xonvinced that we should exclude OT saints from the church of the firstborn of Hebrews 12.
Varnel Watson
it’s en excellent exposition for simple and weary
Rico Hero
Link Hudson In the Dispensational Premillennial view, the “He” in 2 Thess 2:7 –who is now restraining lawlessness until “he is taken out of the way” , is seen as the Church and more proof of a
pre-tribulation rapture.
The Historical Premillennial view objects to pre-tribulation rapture because they do not do not see a sharp distinction between Israel and the Church–as seen in Dispensational Premillennialism. Therefore, Historical Premmillenialsm do not beleive the “he” in 2 Thess 2:7 is the church.
Varnel Watson
there you GO – he is the church – the body of Christ Link that to my eschatology page for all postmils