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Was the Concept of Progressive Sanctification brought into The Pentecostal Church by Pentecostal Calvinists ?
Charles Page [02/22/2016 12:25 PM]
Does this mean there are “Pentecostal Calvinist”?
CrossTheology [02/22/2016 12:34 PM]
Maybe I should have said Calvinist Pentecostals because nowadays you have Pentecostal Calvinists like Sam Storms (I love to read his website btw)
Charles Page [02/22/2016 12:41 PM]
I have a book by Storms that is a ready resource for me for Calvinist. “Chosen for Life”
CrossTheology [02/22/2016 12:41 PM]
Are you a calvinist then?
Charles Page [02/22/2016 12:43 PM]
No. I reject any notion of a double predestination and election to reprobation.
CrossTheology [02/22/2016 12:43 PM]
me too 🙂
Charles Page [02/22/2016 12:45 PM]
I do believe in a singular predestination of the elect to heaven and ‘modern’ Calvinist sorely reject this notion.
Charles Page [02/22/2016 12:49 PM]
This is why I believe that sanctification is a different topic from calling (regeneration), justification and glorification. The fact of our sanctification is not predetermined by God. It begins with “faith coming by hearing” You must be born again in order to be (pursue) sanctification.
Nelson Banuchi [02/22/2016 4:39 PM]
To me, “progressive sanctification” meant that one is sanctified and then increases in holiness; it is in no way an experience wherein one continually goes back and forth throughout his lifetime with the same sin; although, I don’t think one can necessarily rule out the sanctified absolutely will not or cannot sin.
Charles Page [02/22/2016 4:45 PM]
how can you increase in holiness?
CrossTheology [02/22/2016 5:02 PM]
Charles Page do you believe in singular predestination instead of double predestination? Double predestination is the view taken by Calvin and Luther. Single predestination is the view taken by the Lutherans.
Charles Page [02/22/2016 5:29 PM]
don’t know about Lutherns I guess I am akin to the ana-baptist Calvin opposed
I take a view of predestination similar to Primitive Baptist.
CrossTheology [02/23/2016 1:44 AM]
Charles Page please explain that view 🙂
Andre Price [02/23/2016 8:58 AM]
It has been years since I’ve read this book. Isn’t Synan’s point that the Holiness traditions find their roots in the Wesleyan holiness movement in light of Wesleys doctrine of Christian Perfection among several other social, epistemic, and cultural factors?
Varnel Watson
Pentecostal Calvinist is an oxymoron. There aint no such thing Alexandre Goncalves John Conger David Rollings David Lewayne Porter
Varnel Watson
YES Charles Page Wayne Scott
John Duncan
William Durham brought it in and he was a Baptist – if I remember correctly.
Daniel J Hesse
Grwat book by my favorite Prof.
Charles Page
Donald Bowdle taught this at Lee University. He was Keswick Reformed per personal conversation and he admitted to being more AOG than COG.
Most academics at Lee are of Bowdle persuasion.
Varnel Watson
When were you last @ Lee?
Charles Page
1972 as a student and many visits through the years. I was in e-mail contact with Bowdle in 2006 quiet a bit over theological views. I asked him about the Westminster Shorter Confession which he was thrilled I inquired.
Varnel Watson
Things may have changed a bit in 15-40 yrs
Charles Page
are you saying that Bowdle’s influence is waning?
Charles Page
I don’t see that – the waning of a belief in a sanctification subsequent to the new birth is proof of Bowdle’s credibility.
Daniel J Hesse
Great book by the best prof.
Link Hudson
How Calvinist were Baptists were when Durham was a Baptist?
Charles Page
at the turn of the century most all baptist were Calvinist holding to early Baptist confessional statements. In 1850 there were Baptist of Arminian persuasion but most of the Baptist held to Calvinist by degrees, particular baptist, regular baptist, separate baptist,
Basically I would say that Durham was Calvinist in opposition to Methodism. I guess it could be summarized as saying “he wasn’t a methodist” He represented the divide from COGIC.
Varnel Watson
not true at all – there were plenty of Baptist +anaBaptists of Arminian persuasion
Charles Page
yes but not in comparison to Calvinistic baptist
Varnel Watson
Progressive sanctification was introduced by pure Pelagianists