In Romans 8:35 and 8:39, is it “Christ’s love” and “God’s love” [subjective/objective]? Or, “love for Christ” and “love for God”? I can see it both ways but I think the context is about endurance and Paul is saying that nothing would be able to separate the saints from their love for God and his Christ. Here is the context which I modified from “love of” to “love for”:
Young’s Literal Translation (YLT):
Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love for Christ? shall
tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or
peril, or sword? Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are
killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through
him that loved us [God]. Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither
death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor
things present, nor things to come, Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth,
nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love for
God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
If it is “love for God” then the definite article refers to the love “shed abroad” in the believers’ hearts:
YLT
Rom 5:3 And not only so , but we also boast in the tribulations,
knowing that the tribulation doth work endurance; Rom 5:4 and the
endurance, experience; and the experience, hope; Rom 5:5 and the
hope doth not make ashamed, because the love of God hath been poured
forth in our hearts through the Holy Spirit that hath been given to
us.
Rom 8:28 And we have known that to those loving God all things do
work together for good, to those who are called according to purpose;
Varnel Watson
keep them coming
Joseph D. Absher
Maybe you can help me out with 1:1-6
Varnel Watson
sure
Joseph D. Absher
The Lord gave to me a couple of months ago
Joseph D. Absher
When the prophet Isaiah says he Saw. What did he mean.
Strong’s Definitions: חָזָה châzâh, khaw-zaw’; a primitive root; to gaze at; mentally to perceive, contemplate (with pleasure); specifically, to have a vision of:—behold, look, prophesy, provide, see.
There several different things mention in the open. Verses 1-6
He essentially “saw” the condition of God people
Varnel Watson
generally speaking saw and perceived?
Joseph D. Absher
I’m asking. Do you think it was the gift of “discerning of spirits”
Varnel Watson
probably not
Joseph D. Absher
He “saw” a vision? And God talked to him
Joseph D. Absher
What do the pioneers in Pentecost say about visions. God still gives vision. Not a “mission statement” a vision from heaven.
Isaiah saw something and heard something. Here it was the condition of God’s people. They were in bad shape. Rebels.