Should Christians play the lottery?

Posted by Jim Price in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post

With the big lottery drawing tonight, I remembered a CoG lottery winner of about 10 years ago ( Ohio as I remember ) the story I heard was that he wanted to give a big donation to Hdq’s and that a church executive took a plane to receive the money. My question is; have you heard the story? Did it really happen? Do you know what the donation amount was? Is it theologically acceptable to take this kind of money? What are the ethics involved?

Terry Wiles [01/13/2016 12:20 PM]
Why is it always to headquarters. 🙂 Send it my way I’ll use it for building the Kingdom.

Steven J. Toole [01/13/2016 12:34 PM]
Andrew Jackson “Jack” Whittaker, Jr. (born c. 1947 in Jumping Branch, West Virginia) is the winner of a 2002 lottery jackpot. When he won US$314.9 million in the Powerball multi-state lottery it was, at the time, the largest jackpot ever won by a single winning ticket in the history of American lottery. After winning the lottery, he had several brushes with the law, as well as personal tragedies.[1]
Whittaker was the 55-year-old president of Diversified Enterprises Construction, a contracting firm in Putnam County, West Virginia, when he chose the winning numbers for the December 25, 2002 drawing. Whittaker already had a net worth of over US$17 million before his Powerball windfall. Whittaker purchased the winning Powerball ticket at a supermarket in Hurricane, West Virginia, where he had stopped for a deli breakfast sandwich and to get fuel for his vehicle.

The jackpot that day was a US$314.9 million annuity or US$170.5 million cash. Whittaker chose the cash option of US$113,386,407[2][3] and received a check for approximately US$83 million after tax withholdings.
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Whittaker pledged 10% of his winnings to Christian charities—including several churches affiliated with the Church of God—in southern West Virginia. One of the beneficiary congregations constructed a multimillion-dollar church in Hurricane. He also donated $14 million to establish the Jack Whittaker Foundation, a non-profit organization that provides food and clothing to low-income families in rural West Virginia. Moreover, for the deli manager who served the biscuits at the convenience store where he purchased the winning ticket, he purchased a $123,000 house and a new Jeep Grand Cherokee, and gave her a check for $44,000.

Ricky Grimsley [01/13/2016 12:56 PM]
I dont see how there would be any ethics involved. What scriptures would you use to say gambling is a sin. Whats the difference in blowing 500 $ on chance to more or blowing 500 on something else you dont need. We could all be better stewards.

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 1:31 PM]
interesting WHY Jim Price posted this question at this time?

Jim Price [01/13/2016 1:52 PM]
In case you are wondering I have never bought a lottery ticket. In general I believe gambling to be a sin. But I do see attitudes changing within the church.

Ricky Grimsley [01/13/2016 1:57 PM]
Why is it a sin?

Sandy Inman [01/13/2016 1:58 PM]
According to the Luther Catechism – translated by Gornitzka – lotteries are stealing because the money is taken from poor people and given to people who have not worked for it. Just sayin’

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 2:03 PM]
Ricky Grimsley because Luther said so Henry Volk confirms http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/should-christians-play-the-lottery/

Ricky Grimsley [01/13/2016 2:08 PM]
Well common sense would tell you that lottery isnt stealing.

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 2:09 PM]
Since some here claim GOD dont know the future, He can play the lottery too and it will be all fair 🙂

Ricky Grimsley [01/13/2016 2:11 PM]
He wouldnt have to play He could make the numbers be whatever he wanted with a word.

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 2:13 PM]
Claiming God is not ALL-knowing makes him not all-powerful as well. Cannot be all-powerful without the power of all-knowing…

Ricky Grimsley [01/13/2016 2:26 PM]
God knows all that can be known and has all power that can be had. Most of our differences in this area are what the words mean. Its like saying God is unchangeable. Obviously he has essence and character yesterday, today, and forever. But if you take that to mean he can never change in any way then you are in error. He lowered himself and became a man on a specific day. He repents and gets angry based on information.

James L Alldredge [01/13/2016 2:39 PM]
Ethically, unless you ask each person who gives what the source of their gift is regardless of amount given you cannot say for certain you have never accepted money from gambling or other “sinful” pursuits. Gambling itself, like alcohol and drugs has a high risk of addiction for some personality types, which can lead to severe personal, familial and social damage. While I cannot condemn someone for buying a lottery ticket, it does prey upon the desire to be rich which according to scripture is the source of many evils. In addition gambling may fall under the Romans 14 prohibition against putting a stumbling block in front of those with weaker consciences. Full disclosure, I have participated in occasional work related pools for fantasy football and other strategic “lottery/raffle” style contests, so I am clearly not throwing any stones. Although primarily for entertainment and bragging rights I cannot say I ever felt any conviction from the Spirit. I am not one who is prone to this particular temptation so I would not be able to speak for those who are…

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 2:40 PM]
well many churches now have BINGO nights – so #BINGO

Timothy D McCune [01/13/2016 4:24 PM]
put up scripture and verse where it says buying a lottery ticket is a sin, saying because luther said so. Or because this person thinks so or that person is not good enough.

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 4:25 PM]
So Timothy D McCune now you think you know the Bible better than Luther?

Charles Page [01/13/2016 4:26 PM]
seems like something TL Lowery would have done!!!

Timothy D McCune [01/13/2016 4:30 PM]
I think if Luther did not provide scripture to back himself up and if you or no one on here can then that should settle it. I do not condone blowing all of ones paycheck on gambling and putting the welfare of his or her family at risk. But i would not call someone a sinner for buying a 2 dollar lottery ticket once every 6 months or so.

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 4:33 PM]
would you call a sinner if it was every 3 months or so? – this argument is so weak

James L Alldredge [01/13/2016 4:33 PM]
The issue is not necessarily about sin, but rather the abuse of liberty, “all things are lawful, but not all things are profitable.” “The desire to be rich is a snare…”, “the love of money is the root of all evil…” The Spirit filled believer is governed by 3 laws; the law of faith (whatsoever is not of faith is sin), the law of love (owe no man anything except to love one another), and the law of conscience (why do you destroy your brother for whom Christ died). Even if my conscience is clear, I am still bound by the weaker conscience of my brother

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 4:34 PM]
Proverbs 13:11 Wealth gotten by vanity shall be diminished: but he that gathers by labor shall increase.

Timothy D McCune [01/13/2016 4:46 PM]
I have worked with my hands at one job or another since i was 13 iam 44 years old now, i have worked at my present place of emploment for 17years i have done all manner of jobs. Landscaping, roofing, working with horses pool maint: etc…… so Brother I know what it means to gather my increase by laboring for it, just dont be so high and mighty and call me a sinner for buying a single lottery ticket.

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 4:50 PM]
Where did I call you a sinner? Just discussing the issue at hand

Timothy D McCune [01/13/2016 4:53 PM]
Maybe its because i said every 6 months and you responded with, would you call a sinner if it was every 3 months or so. It really does not matter im not here to get into petty arguments.

56 Comments

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    Varnel Watson

    David Lewayne Porter Have you ever noticed that lots of Christians play the lottery saying God dont know the future? Ricky Grimsley Tony Conger

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    Ricky Grimsley

    Its like “putting a fleece before the lord”. If he wants me to win I will win. Proverbs 16:33 KJVS
    [33] The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the Lord .

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    Tony Conger

    I know very few Christians who believe God doesn’t know the future

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    Varnel Watson

    Many simply circle around the issue with philosophical argumentation thus denying the total sovereignty of GOD over His own creation

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    Ricky Grimsley

    God has sovereignly chose to let us freely choose him. Sovereignty does no mean meticulous control.

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    Tony Conger

    Calvinists will say you don’t believe in God’s sovreignity since you believe you have a choice in anything

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    Varnel Watson

    Is Sovereignty defined as Sovereignty over some things or over ALL things ? Over some knowledge or over ALL Knowledge? Who is the ultimate source of all knowledge ?

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    Ricky Grimsley

    God is sovereign over all things. He could speak a word and end all things right now but he has chosen to give us free will to chose him or the adversary.

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      David Lewayne Porter

      Exactly, and He knew what we would choose before He even created us.

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      Ricky Grimsley

      David Lewayne Porter so he intentional sent the majority of people to hell on purpose. Sounds fair.

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      David Lewayne Porter

      Ricky Grimsley
      No,
      Let’s cover it again.

      He does not send people to hell.
      They willing, by personal freewill choose to go.

      He created them with freewill and freedom of choice, did you forget about Eden having a garden containing a tree and an admonishing by God to man to make a personal conscience decision to leave fruit alone.

      Sounds totally fair.
      We answer for our own actions, even though God knew in advance.
      Why does He want only those who are created and forced to love and forced to choose Him?

      Are you sure you are not Jehovah Witness?
      Have you been studying their literature?

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    Tony Conger

    Do you believe you have a choice? If so does that make God less sovereign?

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    Ricky Grimsley

    In their heart of hearts they dont believe in real choices.

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    David Lewayne Porter

    Ricky Grimsley
    If you have a problem with God knowing everything in detail ahead of time what do you do with discerning of spirits and people that have the gifts of the Holy Spirit being enlightened by him to what’s going to happen or what’s going on behind the scenes seeing it has it been revealed to their humanity and human senses yet?
    Can the God that can let us discern spirits to things unseen be any less God and Him not know ahead of time?
    How do you handle Revelations God knowing which Kings are going to be involved in the battle in the valley of Megiddo for the battle of Armageddon? How did you handle the other aspects of foretold prophecy that have not been fulfilled? When did God know that? How does that work into what’s going to happen as a result of individual freewill and they’re going to do it just as soon as they get to the situation?

    We have not implied meticulous control.
    We assert
    1) God’s exhaustive foreknowledge;
    Prefectly existing and including
    2) man’s personal freewill.

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      Ricky Grimsley

      But those things can’t coexist because your view has a settled future. As For the the gifts of the spirit, i dont even know why you brought that up. God knows all things as they are and can certainly relay that to us.

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      David Lewayne Porter

      Oh, they not only can coexist but they do coexist.
      Limited human understanding is the issue.

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      Ricky Grimsley

      You already said the future is settled.

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      David Lewayne Porter

      The future is already known by God and as far as the Spiritual realm it is settled.
      Man has to get there when the fulness of time is ripe and ready and make the decision that God already knew before hand that we would make using their own personal freewill.

      I thought you had already figured out by now exactly what I believe.
      We have covered it many times and I change not.

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      Ricky Grimsley

      I do understand what you believe. Just hoping the light will click on.

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      David Lewayne Porter

      Yes you need to flip your switch and take off your shades.

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      Ricky Grimsley

      I would sure love the spirit to open my eyes to that truth if it is. Its a big burden to be the only open-theist at my church and also the only non-pretribber. It makes it troublesome to teach bible study as well. People like yourself can articulate what you believe but most i come into contact with simultaneously believe God’swill is always done but we have free-will and god is always in control and all that.

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      David Lewayne Porter

      Define God’s will Ricky Grimsley, for there you will have an issue.
      You see
      1) God is not willing that any should perish
      Yet
      2) God was willing to create us with freewill and place us in the exact same spot as it was. He also pointed out the consequences for our future failure.

      So a God willing to let us personal choose is not willing that any perish.
      Yup considering we are tempted and drawn away by our own lust.

      Ricky, I agree with those as you just described except not being a pre-tribist.

    • Reply April 19, 2017

      Thomas Henry Jr.

      God knows the future. If he does not he is not God just that simple.

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    Varnel Watson

    If you have problem with God knowing everything, you will have to stay on earth during the Great Tribulation 🙂

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    Ricky Grimsley

    That makes no sense

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    Street Preacherz

    As to gambling, that’s what the soldiers did. They cast lots over the clothes of our Lord. If that doesn’t break you. There are other means…

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    Tony Conger

    Any scriptural commands against it? It was sin for the soldiers because they were crucifying and stealing from an innocent man. Not because the casting lots was a sin. Remember they casts lots for the 12th disciple also

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    Street Preacherz

    Those were the only two cents I had.

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    Susan Collins

    Trust God. I’ve literally been given thousands before. Also, my Church is mortgage debt free. God can bless you without the means of the lottery.

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    Tony Conger

    Since I don’t believe in adding to bible I’m just looking for something scriptural

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      Susan Collins

      Trust God to meet your needs. That’s scripture. He’s more than enough to provide.

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      Tony Conger

      So it’s not sin?

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      Susan Collins

      Is it trusting “God” to provide?

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      Tony Conger

      We work to provide don’t we?

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      Susan Collins

      Lottery is playing not working. Go to work and be paid for your labor.

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      Tony Conger

      The real question is really not whether or not you’re convinced is wrong, but rather that no matter how convinced you or anyone else is that we shouldn’t do it doesn’t mean we can peach it as if it’s a commandment of God. This concept is exclusively dealt with in Rom 14. People are always trying to preach their convictions as if it was Gods word

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      Susan Collins

      1co.10.23-24.AMP
      All things are lawful [that is, morally legitimate, permissible], but not all things are beneficial or advantageous. All things are lawful, but not all things are constructive [to character] and edifying [to spiritual life]. Let no one seek [only] his own good, but [also] that of the other person.

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      Susan Collins

      Just because something is legal doesn’t make it scriptural. Even if it’s scriptural being we have freedom to do a thing we should not do it if it causes a weaker person to stumble.

    • Reply April 18, 2017

      Tony Conger

      Agree completely

  • Reply April 18, 2017

    John Houston

    If you have to ask it is best to just stay away. If it troubles you then your conscience is speaking, and no matter what anyone says, if you believe it might be wrong, then to you it probably is. You need to stay away from the stock market as well. That is pretty much the same thing only with better odds, sometimes. For example, I know many Christians who have used the stock market to earn big money and for them, there is no sin in it. They know and understand that particular beast, but for me, I would be very reluctant to dabble because of a lack of knowledge and wisdom. For me, it would be a sin. My own heart judges me one way and judges my friends who know what they are doing, another. Consider this. If you think that eating meat is a sin, then for you, it is. You will be judged not because you eat meat, but because you eat meat thinking in your heart that it is wrong. For me, in my heart, it is not a sin. Therefore, I am free to consume meat. Romans 14:1-23 and Acts 10:9-15 might be helpful. The principles are very similar, if not the same.

  • Reply April 19, 2017

    Varnel Watson

    Stan Wayne Difference between stock market and gambling is in the laws of economics (set by Protestants BTW)

  • Reply April 19, 2017

    Street Preacherz

    “Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:”
    – Colossians 3:5

  • Reply April 19, 2017

    Varnel Watson

    One cant serve 2 masters

  • Reply April 19, 2017

    Tony Conger

    Doesn’t make sense…. one can make anything another master

  • Reply April 19, 2017

    Ricky Grimsley

    This thread is like talking to my mom. Next we will be singing “the church of god is right hallelujah to the lamb.

  • Reply April 19, 2017

    Varnel Watson

    Bro Jim Price started this discussion originally but not sure why the OP is not available on FB any longer

  • Reply April 19, 2017

    Paul Hughes

    No, gambling is a vice, as has been recognized since ancient times. It tends to be addictive, and those who indulge in it profligate (wasteful). The gambler seeks to profit from the loss of others, and not from his own labors. Every penny he wins has been lost by somebody else. Gamblers love money, whereas “the love of money is the root of all evil” (1 Tim 6:10). Also look up the word “covet” in both testaments.

    Its root is GREED, and usually also LAZINESS. The Apostle Paul instructed believers to do their own work and eat their own food (2 Th 3:12), moreover “that if any would not work, neither should he eat” (3:10). “There is no such thing as a free lunch”–unless, of course, you are eating somebody else’s. Paul instructed, “that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you; That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing” (1 Th 4:11).

    Usually, the gambler does not profit in the long run, but ends up being dependent on others, and letting those dependent upon him, like his own children, go hungry. And of course Paul also wrote, “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel” (1 Th 5:8).

    And what about just a “little” gambling? “A little leaven leavens the whole lump” (1 Cor 5:6, Gal 5:).

  • Reply April 19, 2017

    Jim Price

    Good answer Paul.

  • Reply April 19, 2017

    Varnel Watson

    Paul Every penny a store makes is a loss to somebody else.

    • Reply April 19, 2017

      David Lewayne Porter

      Not if exchanged for an item that they deem worth that amount.

    • Reply April 19, 2017

      Varnel Watson

      True not an item but a product. Gambling is an entertaining product where everyone goes by choice not forced to do it. With this said I do not condone it in anyway just trying to state that if agree with the stated by Paul Hughes and Jim Price we might as well reject capitalism where everything is a product or an item produced to satisfy the personal egocentric desire of someone. This egocentric desire is in the foundation of capitalism. Take it away and you end up with …

    • Reply April 19, 2017

      David Lewayne Porter

      It comes back to the sign for the end times that people go after wants and desires instead of needs.

  • Reply April 20, 2017

    Kenneth Gentles

    What’s the difference with gambling at the casino; gambling at a designated poker spot; horse race; cock fight and the lottery? Answer: lottery has a bigger pot.
    Paul’s answer makes sense.

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Should Christians play the lottery?

Posted by in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post

With the big lottery drawing tonight, I remembered a CoG lottery winner of about 10 years ago ( Ohio as I remember ) the story I heard was that he wanted to give a big donation to Hdq’s and that a church executive took a plane to receive the money. My question is; have you heard the story? Did it really happen? Do you know what the donation amount was? Is it theologically acceptable to take this kind of money? What are the ethics involved?

Terry Wiles [01/13/2016 12:20 PM]
Why is it always to headquarters. 🙂 Send it my way I’ll use it for building the Kingdom.

Steven J. Toole [01/13/2016 12:34 PM]
Andrew Jackson “Jack” Whittaker, Jr. (born c. 1947 in Jumping Branch, West Virginia) is the winner of a 2002 lottery jackpot. When he won US$314.9 million in the Powerball multi-state lottery it was, at the time, the largest jackpot ever won by a single winning ticket in the history of American lottery. After winning the lottery, he had several brushes with the law, as well as personal tragedies.[1]
Whittaker was the 55-year-old president of Diversified Enterprises Construction, a contracting firm in Putnam County, West Virginia, when he chose the winning numbers for the December 25, 2002 drawing. Whittaker already had a net worth of over US$17 million before his Powerball windfall. Whittaker purchased the winning Powerball ticket at a supermarket in Hurricane, West Virginia, where he had stopped for a deli breakfast sandwich and to get fuel for his vehicle.

The jackpot that day was a US$314.9 million annuity or US$170.5 million cash. Whittaker chose the cash option of US$113,386,407[2][3] and received a check for approximately US$83 million after tax withholdings.
Edit

Whittaker pledged 10% of his winnings to Christian charities—including several churches affiliated with the Church of God—in southern West Virginia. One of the beneficiary congregations constructed a multimillion-dollar church in Hurricane. He also donated $14 million to establish the Jack Whittaker Foundation, a non-profit organization that provides food and clothing to low-income families in rural West Virginia. Moreover, for the deli manager who served the biscuits at the convenience store where he purchased the winning ticket, he purchased a $123,000 house and a new Jeep Grand Cherokee, and gave her a check for $44,000.

Ricky Grimsley [01/13/2016 12:56 PM]
I dont see how there would be any ethics involved. What scriptures would you use to say gambling is a sin. Whats the difference in blowing 500 $ on chance to more or blowing 500 on something else you dont need. We could all be better stewards.

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 1:31 PM]
interesting WHY Jim Price posted this question at this time?

Jim Price [01/13/2016 1:52 PM]
In case you are wondering I have never bought a lottery ticket. In general I believe gambling to be a sin. But I do see attitudes changing within the church.

Ricky Grimsley [01/13/2016 1:57 PM]
Why is it a sin?

Sandy Inman [01/13/2016 1:58 PM]
According to the Luther Catechism – translated by Gornitzka – lotteries are stealing because the money is taken from poor people and given to people who have not worked for it. Just sayin’

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 2:03 PM]
Ricky Grimsley because Luther said so Henry Volk confirms http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/should-christians-play-the-lottery/

Ricky Grimsley [01/13/2016 2:08 PM]
Well common sense would tell you that lottery isnt stealing.

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 2:09 PM]
Since some here claim GOD dont know the future, He can play the lottery too and it will be all fair 🙂

Ricky Grimsley [01/13/2016 2:11 PM]
He wouldnt have to play He could make the numbers be whatever he wanted with a word.

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 2:13 PM]
Claiming God is not ALL-knowing makes him not all-powerful as well. Cannot be all-powerful without the power of all-knowing…

Ricky Grimsley [01/13/2016 2:26 PM]
God knows all that can be known and has all power that can be had. Most of our differences in this area are what the words mean. Its like saying God is unchangeable. Obviously he has essence and character yesterday, today, and forever. But if you take that to mean he can never change in any way then you are in error. He lowered himself and became a man on a specific day. He repents and gets angry based on information.

James L Alldredge [01/13/2016 2:39 PM]
Ethically, unless you ask each person who gives what the source of their gift is regardless of amount given you cannot say for certain you have never accepted money from gambling or other “sinful” pursuits. Gambling itself, like alcohol and drugs has a high risk of addiction for some personality types, which can lead to severe personal, familial and social damage. While I cannot condemn someone for buying a lottery ticket, it does prey upon the desire to be rich which according to scripture is the source of many evils. In addition gambling may fall under the Romans 14 prohibition against putting a stumbling block in front of those with weaker consciences. Full disclosure, I have participated in occasional work related pools for fantasy football and other strategic “lottery/raffle” style contests, so I am clearly not throwing any stones. Although primarily for entertainment and bragging rights I cannot say I ever felt any conviction from the Spirit. I am not one who is prone to this particular temptation so I would not be able to speak for those who are…

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 2:40 PM]
well many churches now have BINGO nights – so #BINGO

Timothy D McCune [01/13/2016 4:24 PM]
put up scripture and verse where it says buying a lottery ticket is a sin, saying because luther said so. Or because this person thinks so or that person is not good enough.

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 4:25 PM]
So Timothy D McCune now you think you know the Bible better than Luther?

Charles Page [01/13/2016 4:26 PM]
seems like something TL Lowery would have done!!!

Timothy D McCune [01/13/2016 4:30 PM]
I think if Luther did not provide scripture to back himself up and if you or no one on here can then that should settle it. I do not condone blowing all of ones paycheck on gambling and putting the welfare of his or her family at risk. But i would not call someone a sinner for buying a 2 dollar lottery ticket once every 6 months or so.

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 4:33 PM]
would you call a sinner if it was every 3 months or so? – this argument is so weak

James L Alldredge [01/13/2016 4:33 PM]
The issue is not necessarily about sin, but rather the abuse of liberty, “all things are lawful, but not all things are profitable.” “The desire to be rich is a snare…”, “the love of money is the root of all evil…” The Spirit filled believer is governed by 3 laws; the law of faith (whatsoever is not of faith is sin), the law of love (owe no man anything except to love one another), and the law of conscience (why do you destroy your brother for whom Christ died). Even if my conscience is clear, I am still bound by the weaker conscience of my brother

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 4:34 PM]
Proverbs 13:11 Wealth gotten by vanity shall be diminished: but he that gathers by labor shall increase.

Timothy D McCune [01/13/2016 4:46 PM]
I have worked with my hands at one job or another since i was 13 iam 44 years old now, i have worked at my present place of emploment for 17years i have done all manner of jobs. Landscaping, roofing, working with horses pool maint: etc…… so Brother I know what it means to gather my increase by laboring for it, just dont be so high and mighty and call me a sinner for buying a single lottery ticket.

John Kissinger [01/13/2016 4:50 PM]
Where did I call you a sinner? Just discussing the issue at hand

Timothy D McCune [01/13/2016 4:53 PM]
Maybe its because i said every 6 months and you responded with, would you call a sinner if it was every 3 months or so. It really does not matter im not here to get into petty arguments.

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