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Varnel Watson
interesting Nelson Banuchi
Nelson Banuchi
The day will soon come to America where Christinas will be overtly persecuting other Christians…
Jeanette Elizondo
Then they are NOT CHRISTIANS !!!
Nelson Banuchi
“…Protestants alike persecuted the Anabaptists, resorting to torture and execution in attempts to curb the growth of the movement. The Protestants under Zwingli were the first to persecute the Anabaptists, with Felix Manz becoming the first martyr in 1527″(https://www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/issue-28/1525-anabaptist-movement-begins.html).
I guess we need to admit that Zwingli, a Reformation leader, was not a Christian and, perhaps, Calvin (https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2016/02/john-calvin-capital-punishment-for-heretics-anabaptists-etc.html).
Bob Wizenhut
This is right on the money. I’ve spent years on the Sojourners website engaging the masses that don’t realize the theology they are following is really Secular Humanism.
Varnel Watson
Sojourners AND Patheos both it seems There are also many evangelicals in this group that are rented by Trump + Soros
Bob Wizenhut
The term “rented” would fit groups that are funded by Soros. Not sure what the word is that you are looking for but I don’t think “rented” would apply to individuals following movement that is led by an individual that doesn’t throw money into promoting the movement.
Bob Wizenhut
I also think “rented” wouldn’t apply to the leaders of the Emergent Church. While their teaching isn’t Biblically sound they aren’t being funded by a hidden source. While it may seem to you that deception is deception on the part of the follower I just think a different term than “rented” would be called for.
Varnel Watson
Are you now saying Trump is funded by Soros too?
Bob Wizenhut
I’m certainly not saying that. Are you?
Varnel Watson
Sure reads like Trump rented churches I personally do not know of any Christian who can align with such liberal values
Bob Wizenhut
Troy Day – tell me more about how he rented churches. I get it with Soros, who funded front organizations that pretended to be something they weren’t. But Trump hasn’t funded anything nor has he been secret about the ideals of the movement he is leading.
Varnel Watson
Same way as Soros Do I need to explain?
Bob Wizenhut
Troy Day – I believe you do sir. Soros paid money. No one has ever claimed that President Trump has funded and religious front groups.
Varnel Watson
Bob Wizenhut I will try to explain
first off those Soros organizations are not fronts that get his money via off shore means They are sites build with his money Forget humanism, which is obvious It is the anti-conservative Christianism proposed in them that is sickening
Now to the said renting and how it is done
Lets say you have ides and need a large platform to promote them or simply to let the world know about them
Let’s also say I have built such platform and have noticed your ideas. I could care less about agreeing or disagreeing with them My main interest is that they stir interest toward my platform which generates people coming over to me in order to hear from you My agenda is not concerned with the advance of your ideas As far I am concerned if your ideas die tomorrow I have plenty like you to keep running my platform and advance my agenda
However, I have rented your ideas to promote my platform while you’ve been thinking that using my platform has been the greatest thing for your ideas Get it?
Trump wants to run the show as long as he is the one doing the firing and of course as long as his show is running. AS far as he is concerned he has simply hired/rented your evangelical ideas. In return, you are willing to promote his platform/agenda/show and even change the way you present your ideas some to fit the requirements of the platform. So have done many rented / apprenticed evangelicals since 2015. They are willing to promote themselves as black though white, overlook Trump’s adulterous spirit, forget his irresponsibly ill tongue and so on sinful behavior as long as every now and then they can post a short video praying for him, sitting at his dinner site or being called his allies
Come on somebody, you cant be a saved, sanctified and Holy Ghost filled man/woman of God and not to see through all this cheaply rented Christendom Nelson Banuchi James P Bowers Ron Culbreth
Bob Wizenhut
OK, I better understand now what you are trying to say. I still don’t see a strong similarity between the renting the Soros is doing and how Trump leads a movement that has the vast majority of Evangelicals following. As I’ve said all along, the template to look at is King Jehu. King Jehu was Ahab’s man before God anointed him. Hi was a man of adultery who approved of infanticide and gay sex. But then after anointed he attacked evil with passion and the devote followers of Jehovah were faithful followers even though the Bible never describes Jehu as a man of God, truly repentant or in any of the ways that the Bible describes Josiah. Like the devote following Jehu, Evangelicals support President Trump not only because of the outcome but because his of his ruthless methods. Both the devote then and now realize that fighting evil requires a man different from the typical holy man of the times.
Bob Wizenhut
But there is a big difference between the followers of Jim Wallis and Evangelicals that support Trump. The followers of Wallis believe the Secular Humanism that Jim preaches is really a better understanding of the Bible than the traditional teachings. The policy positions taken by President Trump are not inconsistent with traditional church teachings the rub is the character of the man and his style.
Varnel Watson
Bob was there difference with the Jim Craw’s great evangelical support? Wasnt Texas own Ted Cruz’s father major NAR activist pushing Kingdom Now Theology which is now promoted via all presidential close evangelical circles – many evangelical advisers have already left him for this very reason ??? https://stanfordpolitics.org/2015/11/19/presidential-candidate-power-rankings/
Varnel Watson
Bob Wizenhut I could be wrong of course. Anyone could! But we’ve noticed with Nelson Banuchi this is pretty close the whole situation. Things may change after next week of course, but oh well…
Bob Wizenhut
I’ve been calling out Nelson for his posting false narratives about President Trump daily. It’s fine to take issue with his character or his policies but we should never resort to creating or perpetuating false narratives about those we disagree with or hate.
Varnel Watson
Nelson Banuchi has rightfully so called Dr Brown on his love / hate flirt with Trump. I for one, among many, just dont get Brown I never have and never will even after Ricky Grimsley tried to explain though he had questions about it too. Now Bob Wizenhut are you asking Nelson personally or through your many rented pseudonyms?
Bob Wizenhut
Who is Dr. Brown?
Varnel Watson
Dr Michael Brown is a famous revivalist from FL, now in NC with a radio show and couple of well read blogs. IMO he one day comes critical on Trump, another day loves him – IMO again just trying to get attention on vital social issues, perhaps like all of us
Terry Wiles
Of the infamous Brownsville (no relation) Revival that split the nation and evaporated into thin air.
Varnel Watson
OK Terry I am no expert on FL revivals I know AG shut them down for various reasons when we voted Res16; But I’ve shared with Nelson Banuchi that I just DONT get Brown. Could be wrong but this style of radio broadcast is wishy-washy but he may do it for the ratings and audience that could dictate his pay, which BTW is the definition of being politically rented…
Nelson Banuchi
Troy Day What’s Res16 and how did that affect the shutting down of the revival in Brownsville?
As far as I understand him, I think Dr. Brown wants to support what Trump does to advance the Evangelical agenda (e.g. overturning Roe v. Wade, ensuring Israel becomes a nation with Jerusalem as it’s capitol, immigration reform), without supporting his personal behavior and more radical antics, although Dr. Brown does seem to defend Trump against any talk describing him as racist (I think I read as much in one of his articles).
So, and for a lack of a better way to say it, I say this respectfully, it’s seems to be not so much of a love/hate relationship Dr. Brown has with Trump but a balancing act on the fence in order to be the cool head between the hotheads to bring them together, I guess.
It’s not working for me.
Varnel Watson
here;s the bottom line the US Evangelical agenda is not agreed upon with evangelicals around the world. Therefore Trump can never truly represent a global evangelical agenda. Not too sure what Brown gets out of it except advertising
Bob Wizenhut
Troy Day – don’t think President Trump has ever claimed to represent a global Evangelical agenda. In fact, I don’t think he has explicitly claimed to represent a US Evangelical agenda. He just knows that Evangelicals are his base and that without them Progressives will destroy him. Therefore, he consistently takes actions that delight US Evangelicals
Nelson Banuchi
Troy Day Not intending to be a nosey-body, but would you be able to direct me to what is Resolution 16 either online or send me a PM regarding what it is?
I’m much interested in the subject of revivals and would be very much interested to get some insight on Brownsville. I am aware that there have been disagreements with the leadership, which may have contributed to the cessation of the revival.
After some consideration, if you still feel you rather not, I understand. Either way, thanks!
Terry Wiles
Troy Day yep. That’s him.
Terry Wiles
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57982559be6594e06f6f1dbd/t/57e06f8ee6f2e1f209ba906a/1474326416763/pp_endtime_revival.pdf
Terry Wiles
Nelson Banuchi Res 16 is posted above
Varnel Watson
Yes, we’ve discussed it before I dont think it has to do much with political involvement HOWEVER the groups addressed may have a much different political agenda than most evangelicals
Nelson Banuchi
Terry Wiles Wow! I just read that Res16. That is an excellent, balanced look at revival.
Nelson Banuchi
Troy Day Thanks!!!
Nelson Banuchi
Troy Day It may have something to do with political involvement if one hold to the Dominion Theology, as explained in the paper.
Do you know if Dr. Brown hold to that?
Varnel Watson
well this is a GREAT question – if he subscribes to post-trib post-mil there is a GREAT chance that he does, even it partially so. I have never heard him speak against NAR/ dominiionism Have you?
Terry Wiles
The Brownsville event split many many churches when people brought back the non-biblical practices they witnessed there. They called it a movement of the Holy Spirit. But everything that happened there led to division. The evangelist dropped out of sight. The Bible school separated itself and dissolved. The Pastor left the church. The staff called it a “cash cow.”
It was without a doubt a spiritual movement but it doesn’t sound like a movement of the Holy Spirit.
Varnel Watson
What was the connection of Dr. Brown with Brownsville Terry? As far as I can see the only thing going on Res16 is vision 2020 For the most our AG has politically aligned with the alternative evangelical right and their kingdom-now NAR theology
Varnel Watson
This sums up pretty much how I’ve been seeing the camaraderie between Evangelical conservative leaders and Trump. Evangelical conservative leaders are using him to advance their agenda with no real concern, except maybe to publish a few tepid criticisms of him on The Stream or other such Evangelical publications, for the consequences ensuing from Trump’s rhetoric and actions. http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/how-to-interpret-dr-browns-politicostalim/
Varnel Watson
Nelson Banuchi //”And the dragon was given power to make war with the saints, and to overcome them.”
Revelation 13:7
Terry Wiles the stay-trib church of Link Hudson cant survive American elections but will survive the Tribulation Tell me another one
It is my desire to follow the Word of God as closely as I can when deciding how I should cast my ballot. I will not vote according to any political party but to God’s Truth, knowing that whoever gets elected will have the power to make policy that agrees with God’s Word or disregards it.
The Biblical Perspective on the Issues:
I will vote for the most pro-life candidate possible, because God hates the shedding of innocent blood. (Proverbs 6:17)
I will vote for the most pro-Israel candidate, because God blesses those who bless Israel and curses those who do not. (Genesis 12:3)
I will vote for the most pro debt-reduction candidate, because the borrower is the servant to the lender. (Proverbs 22:7)
I will vote for the most pro-work candidate because God says that if the man will not work, let him not eat. (2 Thessalonians 3:10)
I will vote for the most pro-marriage candidate because God is for marriage between a man and a woman, as defined in Genesis 2:24.
I will vote for the candidate who most closely believes government’s purpose is to reward good and punish evil. (Romans 13)
I will vote for the candidate who stands up for Christian rights and will not discriminate against Christians, so that we may live a peaceful life in godliness and honesty. (1 Timothy 2:2)
From Dominic Russo