Is Pre-Trib Consistent with II Thessalonians???
In II Thessalonians 1, Jesus comes back while the church is still here. When He comes back, He returns with flaming fire executing vengence on them that believe not. He does not just let them have a time of peace with the anti-Christ. Do you see the problem with pre-trib and II Thessalonians 1?
Some pretribbers argue that Revelation does not mention the church after a certain verse as present during the tribulation. (It uses the term ‘saints’.) But in II Thessalonians 1, the church is here at the ‘revelation’ of Jesus Christ. Yet, vengence is poured out on the ungodly then as well.
Why is the church still here when Jesus returns in II Thessalonians 1 if He already raptured them? If the chapter refers to the rapture, then why would Jesus execute vengence on them that know not God? Why doesn’t the passage have them enjoying a peace treaty with the beast, followed by judgment afterwards?
There is also this verse:
II Thessalonians 2:1
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
First, doesn’t it make sense that the ‘coming’ of Jesus is the same thing as the ‘revealing’ of Jesus spoken of in the same passage in chapter 1?
If pre-trib teaches on second coming of Christ, then how do you explain this verse? Why is ‘our gathering together unto him’ mentioned AFTER the coming of Christ instead of before it.
II Thessalonians 2:1 makes sense if the coming of Christ occurs before or at the same time as our being gathered unto Him.
If pre-trib were true, why doesn’t Paul say, “Now we beseech you, brethren, by our gathering together unto the Lord Jesus, and His coming seven years later…”?
Paul teaches the resurrection of the saints occurs at the coming of Christ.
I Corinthians 15:
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
The dead in Christ rise first, immediately before the rapture. Paul calls the return of Christ when the dead are raised Christ’s ‘coming.’ So that is the Second Coming of Christ, right? What does pre-trib have Jesus coming back again. Where is the scripture to justify a belief in a Third Coming of Christ?
Shouldn’t we use these straightforward scriptures to interpret the allegorical passages liek the apoctalyptic literature of Revelation, rather than try to wrap the metaphors around a pre-concieved pre-trib theory? Is there any scripture that actually teaches pre-trib. I know there are passage that can be interpretted through the pre-trib rubric. But where does the Bible actually teach pre-trib?