Steve Webb [01/09/2016 7:35 PM]
Unless the title is misleading and the article states otherwise…I think it’s leading people to hell.
John Kissinger [01/09/2016 7:38 PM]
Steve Webb He gives Mary for an example first “unmarried pregnant teen”
Eric Shonebarger [01/09/2016 7:39 PM]
Haven’t read the article: Unwed Pregnancy isn’t the sin–The fornication was. I’m hoping that is where he is going.
John Kissinger [01/09/2016 7:49 PM]
My point exactly – except if you’re pregnant by the Holy Spirit there can be no comparison with Mary and the point Steve Webb made is TRUE
Randy Buchanan [01/09/2016 8:03 PM]
He’s saying believers should lose their spirits of condemnation when a young person gets pregnant out of wedlock and celebrate the life being conceived. This would go along with what Paul taught in Galatians 6 as well.
As far as Mary is concerned, to the public at large she was having an unwed pregnancy.
Our focus as followers of Christ is to provide love and restoration not condemnation and pointing of fingers which drives people out of the church when they are at their most vulnerable moments.
If we are truly pro-life we can celebrate the life of an unborn regardless of whether it was conceived in marriage or in fornication.
John Conger [01/09/2016 8:15 PM]
The pregnancy isn’t the sin, it’s how it happened
Melody Cates Kinzer [01/09/2016 8:44 PM]
Comparing Mary’s unwed pregnancy to that of any other woman was foolish of the author. Mary’s was an immaculate conception by the Holy Spirit. With that being said, I do understand the rest of the article. No, unwed pregnancy is not a sin but the act that led to the unwed pregnancy is. Premarital sex IS a sin. However, the unborn child has not sinned and his/her life should be celebrated. Condemning any sinner, unwed mother or whoever, is NOT out job. Even Jesus said “I come into the world not to condemn the world but to save it.” If we, as a church, shun an unwed mother, we are sending out a very poor message of Jesus’ love. Condemning a young women…or an older woman for that matter, will surely push her away from Christ. Showing her the love of Jesus will bring her closer to Christ. Should we condone sex before marriage? Absolutely NOT. If a pastor is doing what most pastors that I have known do, he is preaching the word and somewhere, sometime she will or has already heard that premarital sex is a sin. It is up to her to repent and ask forgiveness. It is up to us to love her and show her that she is loved by Jesus, who died for her sins.
John Kissinger [01/09/2016 8:48 PM]
My point exactly – except if you’re pregnant by the Holy Spirit there can be no comparison with Mary and the point Steve Webb made is #TRUE
Steve Webb [01/09/2016 9:02 PM]
Heretical indeed John Kissinger. 1 Corinthians 6:18 is pretty clear in this case. I skimmed the article and to put it nicely like I usually do…it’s garbage. Baptist, Methodist, Charismatic, Pentecostal…the Bible is clear in such matters.
The comparison of Mary is just ignorance of the Word, and in fact the article in its entirety shows a person trying to make scripture fit their sin.
While we are to gently correct those in sin per 2 Timothy 2:25, those teaching should be sharply rebuked per Titus 1:13 and others.
John Kissinger [01/09/2016 9:12 PM]
Misleading is when you tell people the church van would run and it does not. When you start telling them Mary was just another teen pregnant out of wedlock, there’s much more in question – like our Savior’s nature and this is just for starters
Melody Cates Kinzer [01/09/2016 9:21 PM]
Is mislead not a synonym for deceive? That is the meaning I was referring to.
Melody Cates Kinzer [01/09/2016 9:35 PM]
This is where I was heading: mis·ledplay -?ledmis·lead·ing
: to lead in a wrong direction or into a mistaken action or belief often by deliberate deceit
: to lead astray : give a wrong impression
Curtis Wesley [01/09/2016 9:54 PM]
The pregnancy is not a sin, but the act committed to get that way is.
Timothy D McCune [01/09/2016 11:19 PM]
I believe the meat of the article was to have the church open its eyes to stop judging unwed pregnant young people and or single ladies. To stop whispering behind their backs and instead to come alongside them to guide them with love , grace and mercy. If you want to point the sin of the young lady that put “her” there, y’all left out one Big detail the young man that participated in the sin with her. Yes it is a sin but we as the church must move past it show the love of Jesus or more young people will leave our churches and more abortions will follow these unwed pregnancy. God bless you all. Go in Peace.
John Kissinger [01/10/2016 7:15 AM]
I agree Timothy D McCune but is the price for that questioning immaculate conception of Christ?
John Kissinger [01/10/2016 9:00 AM]
John Ruffle “It is telling that Jesus himself was an unwed pregnancy. Mary became the most vulnerable of women—an unmarried pregnant teen” Do you feel this is an appropriate example for the topic?
Timothy D McCune [01/10/2016 11:05 AM]
I think that while it makes most Christians cringe to put Mary in the same category as an unwed pregnant Mother, that is what she was. I feel the author could have used more tact or respect showing Mary as the engaged bride to be of Joseph pregnant by Immaculate conception. There is a difference between Mary and teens willingly sinning, there doesn’t seem to be a difference in people’s hearts in the way they judge them. If we put Mary and a local pregnant church teen next to each other not knowing who they are , they will both get the same looks the whispers the same judgments.
Richard Johansen [01/10/2016 11:26 AM]
Who are u to judge there is only one judge. Call your selves christians
Richard Johansen [01/10/2016 11:36 AM]
Let those who live without sin cast the first stone. Tut tut tut
John Ruffle [01/10/2016 11:56 AM]
I’m glad to see so much respect being paid to the Blessed Virgin Mary!
John Kissinger [01/10/2016 1:31 PM]
Richard Johansen Judgment expressed was most certainly not toward the subjects of the article, but against the author’s comparison between the virgin’s Mary immaculate conception of Christ with unmarried teen pregnancies, which are obviously neither virgin, nor immaculate and most certainly not of Christ.
Richard Johansen [01/10/2016 1:33 PM]
Thankyou for your clarification. I understand what you mean?
John Ruffle [01/10/2016 2:45 PM]
Sure but just think of the social stigma Mother Mary must have gone through. When she said the divine “yes” she was risking getting stoned to death. Joseph, whom she was engaged to, had to get convinced via a dream. Things were not looking good for the Mother of Our Lord cirumstantually. So if one oerson xan identify wuth fear and rejection, it’s Mama Mary. Only, she overcame by her faith (read: unwavering confidence God), so therefore pregnant, unmarried teenagers can draw strength and succor through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Timothy Carter [01/11/2016 2:51 PM]
This is the point I got from the article.
Timothy Carter [01/11/2016 2:53 PM]
Yes. This is what I get from the article.
Timothy Carter [01/11/2016 2:59 PM]
Biblical you are correct. The article is wrong with the comparison with Mary. However the overall point is that we should not comment sin again the un-wedding mother. We should recognize that everyone can sin. Even our on self. We should show her Christian LoVE from the Christian community. How else will she find proper Bible teaching? Where will she turn for help if the Christian community stands in judgment?
Timothy Carter [01/11/2016 3:00 PM]
Yes Timothy I agree with your understanding of the article.
Timothy Carter [01/11/2016 3:05 PM]
If we understand the Word we will hear people judge Mary. Even Joseph was going to put her away quietly because he thought she was an unwed mother as any other.
We know that she is our Lord’s mother because we have read the story. But think about the people in the community who did not get a visit from an angle. They did NOT know the whole story.
Timothy Carter [01/11/2016 3:07 PM]
Thanks John Ruffle.
Dan Woods [01/12/2016 8:54 AM]
Evocative, but needs a fuller treatment. The mother and baby (and father and grandparents-to-be) must be loved, but the precipitating sin must not be swept under rug. By grace we must love without measure, but in truth without compromise.
James Locklair Locklair [01/12/2016 10:35 AM]
All are born in sin except Jesus he had no earthly father
Bruce Augenstein [01/12/2016 12:00 PM]
Its referred to as fornication.