We had an interesting conversation tonight after Bible study.
It concerned whether or not God desires for everyone to be healed. What do you think?
John Kissinger [09/10/2015 12:04 AM]
What would be the alternative? God only heals the fore-chosen and the pre-elect? God heals not the naughty but the nice? Is there even one occasion in the New Testament when Jesus said: No I dont want you to be healed. And if not what would the proper Biblical conclusion be?
John Ruffle [09/10/2015 2:47 AM]
And remember that healing is by no means limited to the physical. This is something tragically neglected by many penticistalist evangelists – why? Because of a (mistaken?) belief that outward signs and miracles are the “calling card of the gospel”. Actually, it is the inner transformation of attitude and purpose and cleansing that is the real attraction. But it doesn’t play so well to the crowds, and so if one has the (again, mistaken?) view that our main job on earth is to “win souls” then lack of outward signs can be viewed as an impediment. Actually, I believe we are called to be “witnesses” or martyrs. Now that has got to be a reality check for many, myself obviously included. Amen.
Charles Page [09/10/2015 10:39 AM]
how can anyone be pre-elect? put on your thinking caps!
Charles Page [09/10/2015 10:40 AM]
Yes, all the elect of God are healed – we call it regeneration – raised from death to life.
John Kissinger [09/10/2015 11:17 AM]
it’s all the same for the “calvinators” – pre-elect, pre-determined, #chosenfrosen – why not just pre-saved and close the deal?
Charles Page [09/10/2015 11:27 AM]
pre-saved and the deal is closed – it is finished!!!
John Kissinger [09/10/2015 1:08 PM]
is that universal-ism or what?
Charles Page [09/10/2015 1:11 PM]
universal salvation of the elect but not of all humans.
Charles Page [09/10/2015 1:13 PM]
all the elect are regenerate, children of God but not all experience practical salvation sanctification nor are all in the visible body of Christ.
John Ruffle [09/10/2015 3:20 PM]
David M. Hinsen [09/10/2015 4:17 PM]
Well, that was a flop
Charles Page [09/10/2015 4:28 PM]
I believe that God desires the healing of all his children.
Tim Anderson [09/10/2015 9:57 PM]
Would Holy Spirit inspired scriptures ask us to pray for healing if it wasn’t the will of God? I don’t think he would, so my opinion is that God does desire all to be healed. Just like God desires that all men be saved.
From James 5:3 Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing praise. 14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. 16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working” (ESV)
1 Tim 2:3/4 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth
John Kissinger [09/11/2015 11:15 PM]
healing is NOT for all ONLY if you believe in limited atonement; but then you will have to believe that salvation is not for all; therefore, IF salvation is FOR ALL, healing MUST be for all as well Timothy Carter
David M. Hinsen [09/11/2015 11:18 PM]
Some suggest healing and salvation are closely related. Stripes/Cross
John Kissinger [09/12/2015 12:11 AM]
Limited atonement (or definite atonement or particular redemption) is a doctrine accepted in some Christian theological traditions. It is particularly associated with the Reformed tradition and is one of the five points of Calvinism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_atonement
Tim Anderson [09/12/2015 12:17 AM]
My studies of Calvin lead me to believe that he had some revelation, but God has continued to unlock (unseal) revelation since Calvin. The Holy Spirit is out Teacher, man’s wisdom will hinder us. Paul said “knowledge puffs up” and I say AMEN Paul.
John Kissinger [09/12/2015 12:20 AM]
Calvin most probably partial revelation b/c it excludes free will of Adam and Eve in the beginning of the Bible and the Millennium at the end of the Bible 🙂
Timothy Carter [09/12/2015 2:30 AM]
Please see my new post regarding this thread: Christ Is Our Healing ?
Timothy Carter [09/12/2015 2:41 AM]
I believe Other Heretics use the LA also as a way to discriminate against or to intimidate people. The Jehovah Witnesses believe only 144,000 will be saved; AJ Tomlinson preached only the elect; Some COGOP still do (rolling eyes ?) ; Augustine didn’t believe that Christ blood is powerful enough to clean everyone’s sin so he just made up this harisy and has contributed to the delusion of googolplex of people over the generations. this is why we need to proclaim only God’s Word not make up stuff.
David Lewayne Porter [03/04/2016 7:42 AM]
I think the issue is God’s timing and the recipient’s desire. I do not see in the scriptures were Jesus turned anyone away (the gentile lady asking for the crumbs from the table) and yet there was a gentleman he healed after 38 years as Jesus said, “neither this man nor his parents have sinned, , but it is for God to receive glory”.
Do we use our healings (or sickness – remember Paul – – he sought deliverance 3 times from his [thorn in the flesh] until the Lord told him to stop – Paul knew there was deliverance and it was available) do we use all situations for HIS glory.
(Joni Erickson Tada prayed for God to use her and always keep her in His will just before her accident).
Seek healing until God’s Spirit says explicitly “NO”.
Terry Wiles [03/04/2016 8:00 AM]
God desires people to be healed. God does bring healing. We are invited to pray for one another to be healed.
The other side of the coin is our bodies do not yet enjoy eternal life. Sickness and death are part of this world of sin and death. Even resurrected Lazarus died. Twice.
In that sense perhaps we should explore the theology of suffering which is what Joni Erickson did in her excellent book where she talks about this very subject.
David Lewayne Porter [03/04/2016 8:02 AM]
Exactly my brother.
Timothy Carter [03/04/2016 9:26 AM]