politics February 7, 2019 Is the EUROPEAN UNION the Revised Roman Empire? Posted by in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post PentecostalTheology .com Previous articleFast day 17 Next articleIs TRUMP Tax Reform good for clergymen and churches? 62 Comments Reply February 7, 2019 Varnel Watson Link Hudson I was very surprised to learn that there are people within Pentecostalism that do NOT know that #noughsaid Reply February 7, 2019 Philip Williams No, that role must go to America. Reply February 8, 2019 David Rollings Nom there is no evidence for that being the case, only somebody who does not undestand the nature of the EU would post such a silly question Reply February 8, 2019 Varnel Watson imagine that https://www.amazon.co.uk/David-Hathaway-Babylon-Prophecy-European/dp/B00I63JFDQ Reply February 8, 2019 David Rollings Troy Day Why are you reffering me to something by David Hathaway when I have told you in the past that I don’t trust his interpretation of Scripture. I am very suspicious of his ministry. Reply February 8, 2019 Varnel Watson its a common EU interpretation not just his Reply February 8, 2019 David Rollings It might be common in the USA it is not in the UK Reply February 8, 2019 Varnel Watson wasnt John Darby who first stated it? Reply February 9, 2019 David Rollings Troy Day did not Darby live before the EU came about? Reply February 9, 2019 Varnel Watson they all did – well hard to tell actually since the EU idea came about quire early as Revised Roman empire Reply February 9, 2019 David Rollings Troy Day But the EU only came into existence in the 1950’s, so anything pre-dating that can’t be relevant to the subject. Reply February 9, 2019 Varnel Watson they interpreted the 10 kingdoms as some sort of EU and got it pretty right if you ask me – surprised you dont know https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCMgxIB60Vc Reply February 9, 2019 David Rollings Troy Day I don’t find this convincing. Reply February 9, 2019 Varnel Watson you may not but most of Pentecostalism historically has https://www.dakebibleboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=6768 Reply February 10, 2019 David Rollings Troy Day Oh dear, this originally appeared on the Babylonian Bee website Which is a satirical website. Therefore this post is entirely a work of fiction having fun at the expense of those who like prophetic charts. Here is the link to the original post, https://babylonbee.com/news/dispensationalists-frantically-adjust-charts-include-brexit-vote/ Reply February 10, 2019 Varnel Watson Yes – I was thinking the same when posted it It is so Popular in Pentecostalism that even Babylonian Bee is making fun of it and yet you have never heard of it Open ANY prophecy chart of the 70s and the 10 kings are written as EU – revised or revived Roman empire Reply February 10, 2019 David Rollings that is because at one point in the 70’s the EU was made up of 10 nations but once that ceased to be the case the arguement soon vonished. I am sorry but is just not credible. Reply February 10, 2019 Varnel Watson Nope – not really. There are many countries in EU today that were NOT part of the Roman Empire As we see many are leaving EU or will be leaving in a few short years Posted you a scholarly paper below to read more about it Reply February 8, 2019 Link Hudson I have heard the theory many times before. Reply February 8, 2019 Varnel Watson If you have not heard the theory many times before you are not Pentecostal or Baptist Reply February 9, 2019 Link Hudson Troy Day I am not sure I ever heard it in the A/G,…probably…but I know I heard it on TV. Swaggart believed in a literal Babylon. I heard pretrib rapture, but some Pentecostal preachers do not go into that much detail on specific theories. Reply February 9, 2019 Varnel Watson A/G promoted it best in the early years but YES it died off around the end of the Cold War just to resurfice again Reply February 9, 2019 Mike Albright Definitely maybe possibly could be. Reply February 9, 2019 Varnel Watson Thank you for clarifying this essential issue Reply February 9, 2019 Mike Albright Troy Day I am absolutely positive that my opinion might or might not be right. Reply February 9, 2019 Philip Williams Compare Pax Romana with Pax Americana! Reply February 9, 2019 Varnel Watson Pax Romana YES but neither America nor Pax Romana is in the Bible now is it? Reply February 9, 2019 Philip Williams What do you understand as the 4th and terrible beast in Daniel’s vision? Reply February 9, 2019 Varnel Watson whatever the angel explained later on in the book Reply February 9, 2019 Philip Williams Troy Day Correct. Beasts are world dominating governments. Babylon Media-Persians Greeks Romans Reply February 9, 2019 Philip Williams Which government today was modeled on the Roman Republic and dominates the whole world as no government before in human history? Reply February 9, 2019 Varnel Watson the EU govt – USA resembles more of Egypt with its states or Greece @ best – EU has actual ethnic states within it just like Rome – tough our US assimilation has gone down the drain lately Reply February 9, 2019 Philip Williams Rome was also modeled on Egypt. Why the obliques stands in the Roman forum and on the capital mall in Washington. Reply February 9, 2019 Philip Williams EU doesn’t dominate the world, but the American government dominates the world as no other government in human history. Reply February 9, 2019 Philip Williams It’s power comes from embargo, no buying or selling without it’s approval. Reply February 9, 2019 Varnel Watson American government dominates the world ? Reply February 9, 2019 Philip Williams Troy Day if you lived outside of America you would not have to ask. Reply February 9, 2019 Varnel Watson he seems to be right Alan Smith 🙂 Reply February 9, 2019 Varnel Watson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERB74j-UD3Y Reply February 10, 2019 Varnel Watson David Rollings Perry STONE has a series of videos explainng v the historical develpoment of the Dan 2 prophecy among Pentecostals that may help you see where this teaching comes from Lately he says 10 of EU and 10 of OPEC Each leg of Dan 2 image to have a parallel fulfillment like it was under Byzantine Rome https://www.jstor.org/stable/27556764?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents Reply February 10, 2019 Varnel Watson David Rollings ENVISIONING EUROPE …. During the twentieth century, from the first stirrings of European integration, conservative Protestant prophesiers in the United States became both intrigued and horrified with European developments. European union both seemed to fulfil prophecy, creating the potential for the ‘‘ ten nation confederacy,’’ and played on old, evocative, and, in many respects, anti-Catholic beliefs about Roman power. In the second half of the twentieth century, the ‘‘new Europe’’ began to figure more prominently in premillennial writing. EUROPEAN INTEGRATION Premillennial interest in European integration is primarily focused upon the perceived centralisation of power. For the Roman Empire to revive, a block of co-ordinated, centrally controlled, and regionally amalgamated power must arise in Europe. Europe must, in effect, become the overarching superstate feared by eurosceptics generally. According to US premillennialists, this development is well on its way to occurring. One of the most influential thinkers on Europe is Hal Lindsey, a prophecy writer, whose multi-million selling book The Late Great Planet Earth was published in . The text is in essence a guide to understanding how the world will end, given events at that time, and Lindsey’s view, then, was that it would end soon. He discussed a number of trends, giving specific attention to European developments. p8 and following here => https://static.cambridge.org/resource/id/urn:cambridge.org:id:binary:20170213064600964-0709:S0021875899006258:S002187589900625Xa.pdf Reply February 10, 2019 Varnel Watson Philip Williams I;ve been outside the States enough to agree with Lindsey when he speaks to the ‘‘EC Game Plan,’’ which includes the following NNATOmust be destroyed. The defense of Europe will be handled by the Western European Union.… the powers of Europe will attempt to impose their will on weaker member states… The president of the EC/EU will automatically become the president of Europe. … The right to veto will be scrapped… this will be a real shock to the people of Great Britain… Europe will adopt a Kruggerand-style gold coin as its standard of currency Reply February 10, 2019 Varnel Watson David Rollings Lindsey speaks of a real shock to the people of Great Britain back in 1994 – could current Brexit be fulfillment of the ancient prophecies ? Reply February 10, 2019 Philip Williams Troy Day Well if you got 10 horns you need a beast, and the vastly greater US power led to the formation of the EU, just as the 10 European kings came from the erstwhile Roman Empire. Reply February 10, 2019 Varnel Watson erstwhile Roman Empire.? vastly greater US power led to the formation of the EU?? Come again pls? Reply February 10, 2019 Philip Williams Troy Day Certainly the EU grew out of the US Marshall plan immediately following WWII and has continued to depend on the shield of the US led NATO. The World Bank is US sponsored and headquartered not in Europe but in Washington, DC. Reply February 10, 2019 Varnel Watson So WWII and Hitlers plan to restore the Roman Empire under one single EU had nothing to do with it? 🙂 Reply February 10, 2019 Philip Williams Troy Day interesting, but I suppose there were similar ambitions by the Tzars and Napoleon. Reply February 10, 2019 Varnel Watson read on EU has a very rich history “This report was written by various bankers and academics and laid out a plan for how Germany would manage the economies of the conquered countries of Europe after a German victory. The report was drawn up under the leadership of Professor Walter Funk the Reich’s Economics Minister and President of the Reichsbank. “The report contained sections on Agriculture, Industry, Employment, Transport, Trade, Economic Agreements, and Currency. It proposed the ‘harmonisation’ of European currencies and a harmonised currency system. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-nazis-created-basic-plan-for-the-european-union-ukip-mep-gerard-batten-says-a7032221.html Reply February 10, 2019 Philip Williams The 16th century Spanish King Phillip probably had similar plans as did Louis IV of France. And of course, Napoleon! Reply February 10, 2019 Varnel Watson dont forget Charlemagne Reply February 10, 2019 Philip Williams Troy Day https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_system Reply February 10, 2019 Philip Williams It’s the American Industrialist and bankers at Bretton Woods explaining to the British that they were going to have to open their colonial markets for free trade. The Americans and only the Americans created this world economic system. Of course for rich Americans and big banks and corporations. Reply February 10, 2019 Varnel Watson it collapsed in the 60s because we had no clue how to run Hitlers economic plan to create and control EU; we also had no clue of the atomic bomb and M16 and had to bring his people to create them for us ANYHOW my point IF you are reading this with any sense you cant claim USA designed or created EU with Hitlers gold 7.19(4) – Specific questions: Looted gold: this is a postwar file – compiled mainly between 1945 and 1948 – documenting the investigation into the origin of gold received by the BIS from the Reichsbank during the war. This investigation, conducted in the name of the Tripartite Gold Commission, identified 3.7 tonnes of gold received by the BIS as forming part of the gold looted by the Germans from the Belgian and Netherlands central banks. These 3.7 tonnes were subsequently restituted in full by the BIS to the TGC under an agreement signed in Washington on 13th May 1948. General Records: Banking Department and Accounting Section • List of gold bars received from the Reichsbank during the Second World War https://www.bis.org/publ/bisp04.pdf Reply February 10, 2019 Philip Williams I know how the economic system works. I actually knew the man who developed the techniques to implement the Marshall Plan that was the basis of the EU. He was a Scotsman. ? Reply February 10, 2019 Philip Williams Ask the North Koreans who runs the world? Ask the Iranians who is the ‘Great Satan.’ ? Reply February 10, 2019 Varnel Watson Philip Williams 6 months before WWII Britain gave Hitler $9-million in gold Czechoslovak gold being stolen by Germany than the Bank of England’s embarrassment – the Bank for International Settlements actually financed Hitler’s war machine Some of these moneys came from earlier deposition and circulated in Europe after Jacob Schiff, a 33rd degree mason and chairman of the banking house Kuhn, Loeb & Co. gave Lenin and his group $20 million in gold. In 1917, Rothschild, Natan Meyer (Anglo-German financier. Emulation Lodge No. 21.) directed Lenin to replace Kerensky with Trotsky who came along with 300 Jews from New York… Some of the Russian revolutionists stole the money and run in Europe spreading the gold in banks like the Bank for International Settlements Anyhow, when in 1945 much of this gold was found stored in Hitlers secret bunkers it was used for the creation of IMF and later the World Bank – simple history lesson You probably well know that now with the restructuring of EU in 2018 Bank for International Settlements (BIS) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) will work even more closely together https://www.bis.org/press/p180209a.htm Reply February 10, 2019 Philip Williams Troy Day the IMF was an American creation in Breton Woods, New Hampshire during WWII. Reply February 10, 2019 Varnel Watson yes from July 1 to July 22, 1944 right about when Nazi gold started being shipped over the pond 🙂 This information is straight from from the BIS website 1.3(4) – Report on BIS Operations, 11.1939 – 11.1946. 1.3(5) – Banking Policy of the BIS during the Second World War. 1.19b – Banking Policy of the BIS: Gold Operations, 10.1930 – 12.1967. 1.19c – Banking Policy of the BIS during the Second World War (Art. X of the Hague Agreement). 1.19d – Central Banks of the Baltic States: Gold Deposits / Claims of Baltic nationals, 1940–67. 7.18(5) – Personal papers Paul Hechler (Assistant General Manager of the BIS, 1935-1945): contains i.a. Hechler’s correspondence with the Reichsbank and thematic files on varied topics such as the Czech gold affair (March 1939), the Baltic states or the reimbursement of BIS investments in Italy https://www.bis.org/publ/bisp04.htm Reply February 10, 2019 David Rollings I give up on all this idle, crazy prophetic speculation. It seems to get more bizzare with every addition comment. My European eyes see something very different. I will not be responding to any more comments on this thread Reply February 10, 2019 Varnel Watson so you believe the US started the EU too? Reply February 12, 2019 Varnel Watson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkkgLJtJtQI Leave a Reply Click here to cancel reply. Cancel replyComment Name Email Website This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.