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Dr. Donald Dayton: Wesley, Fletcher and Pentecostal Dispensations
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Anonymous
LETs unpack this one today John Mushenhouse Oscar Valdez Dale M. Coulter Kyle Williams AND William DeArteaga is right here with us alive and well after his heart scare to walk us through it AMEN? https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/de-arteaga-irwin-calvin-and-darbys-dispensations-of-no-spiritual-gifts/
Anonymous
Wow! Such confusion!
Anonymous
this is a GREAT one by Don Link Hudson Oscar Valdez Neil Steven Lawrence
Anonymous
Troy Day ¿How many dispentations do you believe then?
Anonymous
Oscar Valdez I have made it clear more than once I am non-disp pre-trib Even Kyle Williams knows this well As Duane L Burgess noted There are no signs or prophecies that must take place prior to the Pre Trib rapture.
There are no signs or prophecies that must fulfill another dispensation or even any dispensations prior to the Pre Trib rapture.
There is NO fullness of gentiles or ISRAEL that must take place prior to the Pre Trib rapture. This being the LAST pope there is NO need for another before teh rapture Philip Williams Bishop Bernie L Wade Melvin Harter Gary Micheal Epping
it is simply SOON Link Hudson Neil Steven Lawrence Kyle Williams
Anonymous
Troy Day just when and for what reason did God put a hiatus on the fulfillment of prophecy? Scripture please?
If so, has prophecy also ceased? Has God fallen silent? If not, what purpose prophecy?
Anonymous
Philip Williams NO prophecy also ceased – but in the case of the rapture ALL prophecy has been fulfilled There is nothing else prophesied that needs to happen before the rapture and even Kyle Link Hudson would agree on this
Anonymous
Troy Day where do you get that. The nan of sin must be revealed before the day of Christ.
Anonymous
Troy Day Jesus must first return.
Anonymous
dont know about no nun Link Hudson This is Philip Williams territory
Anonymous
Oscar Valdez I am actually as pre-Trib classical Pentecostal as it gets and your accusation is simply untrue and unbecoming. BUT if you are real disp., which you dont seem to be – you probably feel the 1. Laodicean church is after the rapture and 2. some will be still saved then – which is NOT classical dispensationalism. Once the grace disp. is over there will be NO one saved John Mushenhouse Gary Micheal Epping SO how do you call yourself disp. when you are yet not aware of any of these theological findings ?
Anonymous
Troy Day Whats the pre-Trib classical pentecostal view? Define it for me.
Oscar
Troy Day read this well researched book – Pentecost & Sanctification in the Writings of John Wesley and Charles Wesley with a Proposal for Today
by Laurence W. Wood. this one too – The Meaning of Pentecost in Early Methodism: Rediscovering John Fletcher as John Wesley’s Vindicator and Designated Successor (Volume 15) (Pietist and Wesleyan Studies, 15)
| by Laurence W. Wood
Anonymous
Oscar Valdez dined it over a dozen times in dozen posts just for you BUT you were too busy or something Would you like me to repost them?
Anonymous
John Mushenhouse well this is somewhat of a nice reference for our bapticostal friend Oscar Valdez HOWEVER, since he hasnt responded 3days now to my simple question I suspect in his mind he has deflected and run away again citing his business At the same time as already discussed with Duane L Burgess Salvation is namely about a person’s chance to believe.
Anonymous
BTW Oscar Valdez this is not Fletcher’s original find. FIORE did this in the 16th c. quite well splitting history in 3 disp. per the Trinity but Bishop Bernie may disagree
Anonymous
I can also see Oscar Valdez that you are greatly unfamiliar with FIOREs disp. theory who first split history in 3 as per the Trinity, which Philip Williams do not believe Phil will also tell you that as a baptist-disp believer you bow to a Jesuit order teaching AND yes you are Baptist because you still believe the SPIRIT will stop, cease, quit, discontinue operating during the Great Tribulation all and while we John Mushenhouse as classical Pentecostals do not believe the SPIRIT is bound to operate in only ONE dispensation for which reason I reject baptistic disp. which still believes the SPIRIT will stop, cease, quit, discontinue operating JUST ask Duane L Burgess and he will be happy to demonstrate this and tell yall
Anonymous
Troy Day the Jesuit Ribera invented your futurist interpretation of Revelation. That way the Pope cannot be the antiChrist. Is that why you hold to preTrib, to protect the honor of the Pope?
Anonymous
Troy Day Quote me a serious dispensational Baptist author who teaches the very thing you mention. Be serious about this.
Anonymous
Oscar Valdez I mentioned a few – do you mean that the HS will be taken ? And define very serious because Baptist scholar to me as an oxymoron as Link Pentecostal
Philip Williams I do not believe in disp. as clearly stated million times You are free to refer your Catholical findings to Oscar Valdez who seems to be ignoring the popish origins of his disp. pseudo beliefs he is claiming
Anonymous
OK Oscar Valdez because I mentioned MANY things here you seemed to have gotten confused and took you 3 days to clarify in another post I was talking to Melvin Harter Neil Steven Lawrence Gary Micheal Epping Paul D Dobson Philip Williams and Michael Chauncey You re-stated well
In all this tagging there’s no big Baptist name. Still waiting to quote me a good Baptist dispensationalism teacher saying that there’s no salvation after the rapture.
END of quote – you now have changed your question from the pneumatical Holy Spirit and NO presence of pneumaticos ppl during the Tribulation to literally NO salvation during the tribulation – you have ALSO stated these have to be Baptists and SERIOUS scholars – I do not know if a Baptist can be a serious scholar This is a question for Link Hudson Kyle Williams Duane L Burgess or other reformed Lutherans which Terry Wiles mentioned before
this time before EASTER is busy for us preachers; many services and active days; I also have classes just finished a major major publication @ SBL and added some travel William DeArteaga has asked we review his book on demonology; I am working on my own book for the summer AND my chronology of talks with dead white theologians that was supposed to air on tomorrow April 1 HOWEVER if you commit to this discussion based on your Q I will be MORE than happy to do your homework for you since you probably have some term papers as well – – – but any time before when several posts are brought here refuting your bapticostal theories you run away cause you are too busty with something else but Pentecostal theology SO if you commit this time to the discourse I will be more than happy to furnish Otherwise you gonna have to write your paper on your own 🙂 Best wishes of course
Anonymous
John Mushenhouse SAME as what Philip Williams tried to show Oscar Valdez about his being a cessations and very Jesuitical catholic view