missions, politics March 5, 2019 PENTECOSTALS still hold PRE-MILLENNIAL eschatology Posted by in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post PentecostalTheology .com Previous articleNature and government of the N.T. church Next articleWhat or Who is the Northern Plague in Joel 2:20? 30 Comments Reply March 5, 2019 Varnel Watson I do believe this to be still the truth Gary Micheal Epping Reply March 5, 2019 Gary Micheal Epping Article doesn’t open on the link. Reply March 5, 2019 Gary Micheal Epping A majority of evangelical leaders believe that Jesus Christ will return to earth and then reign with his followers for 1,000 years, a new survey shows. This end times theology is called premillennialism and 65 percent of surveyed evangelical leaders identify with it. Premillennialists disagree on the timing of the rapture, whether Christians will rise and join Jesus during or after the tribulation period – which comes before the return of Christ. https://www.christianpost.com/news/poll-what-evangelical-leaders-believe-about-the-end-times.html Reply March 5, 2019 Varnel Watson now evangelical is NOT the same as Pentecostal Reply March 5, 2019 Gary Micheal Epping Troy Day I think they are both Christians. Doesn’t hurt to get out of the box every now and then. If you check it, it confirms what you said in the OP> Reply March 5, 2019 Varnel Watson I;ve foudn the NAR agenda to be much more than just getting out of the box if you ask me Reply March 5, 2019 Gary Micheal Epping Fighting some imaginary bogey man is a good reason to hide out in your box? At least address some real enemies like the strange fire proposed by John MacAutthor. Overall, the AOG stance is probably the best among modern denominations, but it has flaws that need to be addressed. Staying in the box will not help change them. Reply March 6, 2019 Varnel Watson Michael Brown says NAR never existed – really Reply March 6, 2019 Gary Micheal Epping The PEW polls have no category called NAR. They do have one called “Renewalist,” which is used as an umbrella term throughout reports to refer to pentecostals and charismatics as a group. Reply March 6, 2019 Varnel Watson “Renewalist” is no NAR or not only NAR Reply March 5, 2019 Gary Micheal Epping So, now we have a ‘rapture index’ to tell us the likelihood of it happening this year. Trending down since 2015. https://www.raptureready.com/rapture-ready-index/ Reply March 5, 2019 Varnel Watson this been there for quite longer than 2015 Reply March 6, 2019 Varnel Watson Gary Micheal Epping Why imaginary bogey man ? The post has very serious series of quotes to prove a very real point Reply March 6, 2019 J.D. King While premillennialism is still the majority view, particularly among Classical Pentecostals, there is movement away from that position. Dispensational premillennialism, in particular, is being rejected. Many are turning toward historic premillennialism or what some call “hopeful premillennialism.” Some of this is evidence in the forthcoming book by Michael Brown and Craig Keener. https://www.amazon.com/Not-Afraid-Antichrist-Believe-Pre-Tribulation-ebook/dp/B07F3F9576 Reply March 6, 2019 Varnel Watson I for one cant believe Keener partnering with Brown BUT I do see how the current political agenda is being pressed on American Pentecostals YET I’ll fly away to glory… Reply March 6, 2019 J.D. King Others are outright embracing amillennialism and postmillennialism. This is particularly evident in the theological journey of younger leaders. I would expect these shifts to be more prominent in the years to come. Reply March 6, 2019 Varnel Watson this is TRUE Dr. King – amil comes from NAR who masks it with post-mil claiming it was Luther Calvin and Augustine when even a child knows Augustine was a-mil Reply March 6, 2019 Varnel Watson WELL where do we go from here? Gary Micheal Epping Terry Wiles Reply March 6, 2019 Gary Micheal Epping Troy Day Got me. I initially posted in agreement with the OP that most Pentecostals hold to a pre millennial eschatology. The poll I presented showed that evangelical leaders in general are in agreement with that same position with 65%. Only 13% were amillennialists, 4% postmillennial , and 17% other or no position. So, we are are back to the OP point of most Pentecostals adhere to a pre millennial eschatology. BUT, the poll does not clarify the timing of the Rapture. Reply March 6, 2019 Varnel Watson 65% is barely a majority nowadays as it seems Reply March 6, 2019 Gary Micheal Epping I agree. What is puzzling is that the second highest percentage is other. Reply March 6, 2019 Varnel Watson other in theology means WHATever basically Reply March 6, 2019 Brian Roden 65% is almost 2/3, which is a significant majority, especially when the next-largest group is only 1/5 that (13×5=65). Reply March 6, 2019 Gary Micheal Epping I have searched and find no poll that breaks down the Pentecostal position other than the one above indicating 65% are pre millennial eschatology. The only one I found was among protestant pastors in 2016. Reply March 6, 2019 Varnel Watson made by LifeWay which is BAPTIST Michael Ellis Carter Jr. Reply March 6, 2019 Gary Micheal Epping Troy Day Yes I know. As I said, I found no similar poll of pentecostals that breaks the pre millennial eschatology down to this level. At least you can see what is going on with other christian groups. May or may not be similar to the AOG. Reply March 6, 2019 Varnel Watson So pentecostal stats dont come too often on PEW I’ve seen them more often in the Lilly Foundation publications Reply March 6, 2019 Michael Ellis Carter Jr. Troy Day were you shocked by any of the answers Reply March 6, 2019 Varnel Watson I am never shocked by LifeWay just sad Reply March 6, 2019 Gary Micheal Epping In regard to the LifeWay study, John McConnell said, “The big picture of Revelation is clear: Jesus returns, people must be ready, evil is defeated,” he said. “With the rest of the details, there is room for disagreement.” Leave a Reply Click here to cancel reply. Cancel replyComment Name Email Website This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.