Crime for churches and ministers to publicly say the gay lifestyle is a sin

Crime for churches and ministers to publicly say the gay lifestyle is a sin
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What happened to this prophetic utterance 5 years later? Assembly Bill 2943 now reads:

  • A religious ministry could not hold a conference on maintaining sexual purity if the conference encourages attendees to avoid homosexual behavior.
  • A bookstore (even online bookstores) could not sell many recently published books challenging gender identity ideology and advocating that these beliefs should be rejected by society.
  • A pastor paid to speak at an event addressing current social topics could not encourage attendees that they can prevail over same-sex desires or feelings that they were born the wrong sex.

SOURCE: https://www.facebook.com/perrystonevoe/posts/1058680284166694

Perry Stone Ministries (October 25, 2015) – last updated 2020

MAJOR ALERT: I have just been informed of a major plan by the extreme left, that has the support over 100 House members and numerous Senators, that if passed would make it a crime for churches and ministers to publically say the gay lifestyle is a sin, or not allow them to use your church for their own meetings. It would become a crime and the Justice Department would investigate the allegations of “discrimination”, and if the church or minister is “guilty” leveling fines, or if need be incarcerating the leaders. The majority of the politicians among these church haters that are intolerant to traditional religious beliefs happen to be with linked with the “donkey party,” and most have no liking for conservative Christians and will use the law to “Silence the religious right,” as they call it. We will soon find out within the “church” who is on the Lord’s side of the Scriptures and who is “halting between two opinions.” It is the days of Elijah all over again, where the Spirit of Jezebel is after the heads (voices) of the men of God. There is serious government persecution coming to all who stand for truth, and when the “left” becomes violent, as did the men of Sodom against Lot, threatening to rape him for his rebuke of their iniquity, God will change the game and the United States hedge will be removed and catastrophic natural disasters will be unleased. Please mark this day, this post and repost to as many as possible. We must pray for God’s Word to always prevail. Also, a UK report from scientists stated that in the future the earth in in danger of a catastrophic meteor shower! Hummm – I recall Jesus predicting the “stars falling from heaven and the powers of heaven being shaken.” Sounds like the last days! – more to come on periscope

If so, what will the church do about it? Scroll DOWN for the 2020 update on this bill 

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Assembly Bill 2943: THIS IS what happened to this bill from 2015: California Dems prepare for crackdown on churches

Christians across the nation are expressing grave concerns over a proposed California law that would outlaw speech dealing with certain issues – including homosexuality and gender identity – by clergy members, licensed counselors and others.

Assembly Bill 2943, authored by Democratic Assemblyman Evan Low, would utilize the state’s existing consumer fraud statute to classify gay conversion therapy as a fraudulent practice.
State senators passed the legislation last Thursday and the Assembly is poised to take up a final vote before the bill is sent to Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown’s office.

“The faith community, like anyone else, needs to evolve with the times,” Democratic Assemblyman Al Muratsuchi said during debate on the legislation. “The science is clear. The claim that the First Amendment can be used as a defense for promoting fraudulent conduct is a fallacious argument.”

Dr. Paul Chappell, the pastor of Lancaster Baptist Church and the president of West Coast Baptist College, said there is a groundswell of opposition rising up among Christians and conservatives to the Assembly bill. “This is an encroachment by the state,” Chappell said on the Todd Starnes Radio Show. “It’s time for Christians all across America to recognize it’s an attack on our faith.”

Alliance Defending Freedom attorney Matt Sharp said the legislation “makes it unlawful for any person to sell books, counseling services, or anything else that helps someone overcome unwanted same-sex attraction or gender identity confusion. As a result, it could be a violation if a pastor encourages a congregant to visit the church book store to purchase books that help people address sexual issues, perhaps including the Bible itself, which teaches about the importance of sexual purity within the confines of marriage between a man and woman,” Sharp said.

The Alliance Defending Freedom called the breadth of the censorship is staggering. The alliance says that:

  • A religious ministry could not hold a conference on maintaining sexual purity if the conference encourages attendees to avoid homosexual behavior.
  • A bookstore (even online bookstores) could not sell many recently published books challenging gender identity ideology and advocating that these beliefs should be rejected by society.
  • A pastor paid to speak at an event addressing current social topics could not encourage attendees that they can prevail over same-sex desires or feelings that they were born the wrong sex.

Republican Assemblyman Travis Allen warned that the bill’s language is so broad it could even lead to the Bible being targeted. “The Bible’s teachings, if taken literally, could very clearly be a direct violation of AB 2943,” he said on the Todd Starnes Radio Show. “The faith community has every reason to be up in arms about this. Once Democrats start talking about banning books, this is a road we do not want to go down.”

Democratic state Sen. Scott Wiener dismissed concerns that the legislation could eventually lead to a ban on Bible sales. “This bill does not prohibit the sale of the Bible – that’s an argument that we’ve heard – that’s untrue,” Wiener told the Los Angeles Blade. “It does not in any way prohibit free speech. It doesn’t prohibit anyone from speaking with a counselor, including a religious counselor regarding their sexual orientation, as long as no money is exchanged, as long as no services are sold.”

David French, writing in National Review, said the law would “loom over booksellers and churches, establishing a chilling effect and providing a pretext for even more secular booksellers to refrain from stocking certain Christian titles – no matter how well-reasoned.”

Low, who is chairman of the state’s LGBT Legislative Caucus, fired back at those concerns. “A church or individual may still practice conversion therapy if they do so without charging for this fraudulent service,” Low wrote on Twitter. “It (the legislation) does not ban Bibles nor does it ban the basic sales of books as some would have you believe.”

However, there is no religious exemption in the proposed bill – and that has Christians across the nation sounding alarm bells.

“Someone might say it’s an extremist thought, but I don’t think it’s extremist at all,” Chappell said on the Todd Starnes Radio Show. “People hate what the Bible teaches. That is absolutely in my opinion where all this is going – towards the Bible and ultimately towards the pulpits that preach the Bible.” Since we live in a country with elected officials it seems like a great time to let them know what our opinion of this bill is. WE MUST pray, and call our house Congress people.

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  • Reply March 9, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    this is very very disturbing Ed Brewer Dan Brent Ray E Horton Joe Absher Daniel J Hesse Jim Price no fakenews either

    What happened to this prophetic utterance 5 years later? Assembly Bill 2943 now reads:
    A religious ministry could not hold a conference on maintaining sexual purity if the conference encourages attendees to avoid homosexual behavior.
    A bookstore (even online bookstores) could not sell many recently published books challenging gender identity ideology and advocating that these beliefs should be rejected by society.
    A pastor paid to speak at an event addressing current social topics could not encourage attendees that they can prevail over same-sex desires or feelings that they were born the wrong sex.
    SOURCE: https://www.facebook.com/perrystonevoe/posts/1058680284166694

    Perry Stone Ministries (October 25, 2015) – last updated 2020

    MAJOR ALERT Alan Smith first brought to this group

  • Reply March 9, 2020

    Les Snowden

    looks like i will be a criminal for the rest of my life on Earth

    • Reply March 9, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      are you in CA too?

  • Reply March 9, 2020

    Dan Brent

    Hmmm… I’ll have to take a look at the legislation. Brother Stone, God love him, has a tendency to exaggerate and be a little conspiracy minded.

    • Reply March 9, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      yes you do – many denied Perry when he prophecies this but we investigated with Alan Smith and there it is now

    • Reply March 10, 2020

      Nora Neel-Toney

      Dan Brent you are so wrong.

  • Reply March 9, 2020

    Dan Brent

    Sometimes the Democrats forget that about 1/3 of their base are social conservatives, particularly within the African American community. A lot of us feel an affinity with them on economic, immigration, and discrimination issues but have no time for the “super woke” ideology becoming so popular.

    What’s strange too, is that this stuff is not as popular on the left of the Democratic Party. It’s the centrists who are typically not far from their Republican counterparts on economic issues yet want to focus on LGBT issues and abortion.

  • Reply March 9, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    Les Snowden lets just say THAT Joe Absher left a state where similar legislation enforced gay-non conversion ONLY to face this now in CA Bill 2943 is NO joke

    A religious ministry could not hold a conference on maintaining sexual purity if the conference encourages attendees to avoid homosexual behavior.

    A bookstore (even online bookstores) could not sell many recently published books challenging gender identity ideology and advocating that these beliefs should be rejected by society.

    A pastor paid to speak at an event addressing current social topics could not encourage attendees that they can prevail over same-sex desires or feelings that they were born the wrong sex.

    William DeArteaga Ray E Horton dont yall already know it started with blogs and sermon videos before it got to conference book bookstores and social topics Isara Mo better think FAST

  • Reply March 9, 2020

    Joe Absher

    2 Timothy 4:2 KJV — Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

  • Reply March 9, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    Be brave in the face of your enemies. Be upright so that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. That is your oath

    • Reply March 9, 2020

      Joe Absher

      Thank you Mr Day . i honestly thought this one was dead . like a rock . some opposition . but grace carried the day .

  • Reply March 10, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    Les Snowden Dan Brent does this affect your location ?

  • Reply March 10, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    Neil Steven Lawrence Isara Mo what is yalls take on this one here Jevan Little Nora Neel-Toney

    • Reply March 10, 2020

      Neil Steven Lawrence

      Troy Day in Africa they don’t tolerate homosexuals. But there is outside pressure to make the African countries conform to the homosexual agenda. I would suggest every minister and Christian read the first chapter of David Kupelian‘s book: the marketing of evil, were it explains in powerful detail how the homosexual agenda took over America by using marketing techniques.

      The dissenting judges on the Supreme Court when it struck down DOMA– defense of marriage act, raised this one concern, that religious liberties would be in jeopardy because the “homosexuals (in my own words) – would now go on the offensive against religion!”

      The way I see it, the number one fallacy that has blinded the eyes of the developed world population is the lie that the homosexual agenda has caused them to swallow: “homosexuality is a human right.”

      In blinding the people’s eyes with this lie they have managed to change the CATEGORY of homosexuality from a “sin” to a “race.”

      Homosexual behavior is not a race, nor a nationality, nor a people group nor a gender! Therefore it does not deserve special human rights nor can you be prejudiced against homosexuality as a group.

      The homosexual population in the United States is less than 1%. How can this small group force the entire culture to change its thinking? Though this seems like a big giant that we are facing it is not that big. All the church needs to do is stand on the truth and spend money and time propagating The truth against this lie from the pit of hell!

      The problem is that the ministers have been brainwashed in seminary by the theology of love. They have been told that God’s primary attribute his love. As a result many false ideas have entered the church. They feel they are automatically self condemned and condemn by a people in the church and people outside of the church if they stand against homosexuality and for the truth in the Bible. This false theology of love has emasculated the ministers. Gods primary attribute is holiness not love.

    • Reply March 10, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Neil Steven Lawrence this is true in some countries but not here

    • Reply March 10, 2020

      Isara Mo

      Troy Day
      How can the two walk together unless they are in agreement?Y
      You listen to these kinds of utterances from “ministers” and you just wonder which God they are serving…. A skewed theology accepted by the intelligent community doesn’t mean it is a Biblical truth. The wrath of God is still there.. Romans 1:18 very valid.
      Jesus didn’t hold ptlrivate talks with sinners to plse the public and even when honorable sinners like Nicodemus visited him in private for tallks Jesus gave him straight..,// Unless you are born again…. //
      What God calls abomination I call it abomination.
      What calls sin I call it sin not ice cream.

    • Reply March 10, 2020

      Nora Neel-Toney

      Troy Day Troy what are you talking about

    • Reply March 10, 2020

      Nora Neel-Toney

      Isara Mo amen

    • Reply March 10, 2020

      Isara Mo

      Nora Neel-Toney
      Sometimes confusinh

    • Reply March 10, 2020

      Isara Mo

      Neil Steven Lawrence Wow Neil thanks

    • Reply March 10, 2020

      Isara Mo

      Troy Day
      Really Troy….?

    • Reply March 10, 2020

      Nora Neel-Toney

      Isara Mo yes it can be

    • Reply March 10, 2020

      Nora Neel-Toney

      Troy likes to stir strife. Don’t pay attention to him

    • Reply March 10, 2020

      Isara Mo

      Nora Neel-Toney
      Thanks for noting that.

    • Reply March 10, 2020

      Neil Steven Lawrence

      Nora Neel-Toney yep I think the “T”in Troy stands for troublemaker…!

    • Reply March 10, 2020

      Nora Neel-Toney

      Neil Steven Lawrence he is a troublemaker

    • Reply March 10, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Nora Neel-Toney T is for TRUTH if you are not troubled by this new development in the article I cant help you No one can I do know Neil Steven Lawrence is troubled quite a bit

  • Reply March 10, 2020

    Isara Mo

    You must be joking.True
    Ministers of Christ (not stereotypes) MUST UTTER PUBLICLY WHAT THE WORD OF GOD SAYS not what human rights say..
    A crime?
    Mister, plse close shop and go and do other business if you can’t tell the people in their faces WHAT IS SINFUL?

  • Reply March 10, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    UTTER PUBLICLY? what about THIS prophetic utterance that was thrown around as fake news for 5yrs until it happened

  • Reply March 10, 2020

    Doyle Rogers

    2Ti_4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. If we preach the word as we are commanded to….WE CAN NOT LEAVE OUT……1Co_6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, NOR ABUSERS OF THEMSELVES WITH MANKIND ……..

  • Reply March 10, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    Billy Monroe Poff the VA bill is separate Under the wrong post Ed Brewer either had old info or misrepresented California Assembly Bill 2943 aka CA State Legislature page for AB2943 by saying the following:

    The bill referred to here was a proposal to the California state legislature that was so outrageous it was shelved (Feb 2018) due to overwhelming opposition in the most liberal state in the union. Democracy worked! It’s not news that there is and always has been opposition to the church and our way of life. The only reason we still have freedom to live as we do is that those opposed to us have that same freedom. Fearmongering preys on people’s insecurities in the name of self defense, and in the process weakens the very institutions that provide our common liiberty. (sic)

    In 2019 CA Legislation Bill was updated to Tell Pastors What to Preach from their Pulpits on LGBT Behavior & Identities
    see post By Greg Burt on June 17, 2019 in Faith, Family, Liberty, Political

    https://californiafamily.org/2019/ca-legislators-to-tell-pastors-what-to-preach-from-their-pulpits-on-lgbt-behavior-identities/

    California Assembly Bill 2943
    CA State Legislature page for AB2943

    Status on February 21 2020 – 25% progression
    Action: 2020-03-05 – Referred to Coms. on L. GOV. and H. & C.D.
    Pending: Assembly Local Government Committee
    Text: Latest bill text (Introduced) [HTML]
    SOURCE: LegisCan

    History
    Date Chamber Action
    2020-03-05 Assembly Referred to Coms. on L. GOV. and H. & C.D.
    2020-02-22 Assembly From printer. Heard in committee March 23.
    2020-02-21 Assembly Introduced. To print.

    Pls note the latest hearing date scheduled for 3/23/20

  • Reply March 10, 2020

    Eddie L. Hyatt

    AG Bill Barr is committed to defending religious liberty. He made this clear in a speech to the Notre Dame University Law School. I encourage eveyone to read it. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2019/10/16/bill_barrs_extraordinary_speech_at_notre_dame_489410.html?fbclid=IwAR3ecP6M0zIEWw-iu2DEpjW7pj4YQP2eVY7PC9yXYD1x-UpqSN-OK4EXAU0

  • Reply March 10, 2020

    Varnel Watson

  • Reply April 18, 2020

    Isara Mo

    Jesus didn’t send the disciples to address sin in private but PUBLIC

    • Reply April 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      and so we do right here now

  • Reply April 18, 2020

    Satheesh Pillai

    I don’t say it Bible Says ?

    • Reply April 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      says what

    • Reply April 19, 2020

      Satheesh Pillai

      Troy Day Read Bible

    • Reply April 20, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Satheesh Pillai we do – do you? Now how does the BIBLE tells us to deal with unjust laws PLS tell us

  • Reply April 18, 2020

    Richard Shelton

    The Bible does not say gay, It says homosexual. Call it what it is !

    • Reply April 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      are you saying GOD is OK with gay?

  • Reply April 18, 2020

    Joseph Streich

    To be gay is a lifestyle. Who should we go after next? ? ??

    • Reply April 18, 2020

      Carlos B. Hall

      Joseph Streich -Lifestyle? Ok. No argument … but- there are “righteous” lifestyles; and, there are “sinfull” lifestyles?.

    • Reply April 18, 2020

      Joseph Streich

      Carlos B. Hall Let me come back to that one. I’m thinking.

    • Reply April 18, 2020

      Shannel Taylor

      We must preach and teach against all sinful lifestyles. But right now the homosexual lifestyle is the one pushing for rights and changes in law. That’s why it’s being talked about the most.

    • Reply April 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Joseph Streich is it a sinful lifestyle ?

    • Reply April 19, 2020

      Carlos B. Hall

      Shannel Taylor yes. Good comment.

    • Reply April 19, 2020

      Carlos B. Hall

      Joseph Streich Yes. But, why would you think it isn’t?

    • Reply April 20, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Carlos B. Hall what are you saying brother?

    • Reply April 20, 2020

      Joseph Streich

      Troy Day Homosexuality has been around since the Bible. Only God can Judge everybody.

  • Reply April 18, 2020

    Mark Lloyd

    When a church corporation is formed, it is formed under the authority of the, of this world, government which authorized its formation. And so all such church corporations, and all of their officers, and employees, are bound by contract, and oath, to obey those governments. Such churches can say only what their supervisory governments say they can say. Otherwise the members of that church break their oath, and their contract, with that government.

    • Reply April 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      what is a church corporation ? Mark Lloyd sounds like youve been in church lead for a while now

    • Reply April 19, 2020

      Mark Lloyd

      Troy Day – Most (99.9%) of churches are incorporated corporations. This gives them legal status as legal entities. Many incorporate as 501c3 corporations. And all such entities bind themselves to serve the governments under which they are formed, and not the government of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    • Reply April 20, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Mark Lloyd where do you get your stats from? Sounds like fake news at best Do you have a real source?

    • Reply April 20, 2020

      Mark Lloyd

      Troy Day – Good word to you for your reply. I base the estimate on my own experience. There are some groups that gather and worship without incorporation of any type. I have heard of them, but never seen one, or visited one. 100% of the churches I have visited, or attended, have been incorporated. I did a quick search on the percentage that is incorporated and found no data on this. At least from a legal perspective, in order for members to be able to make tax deductible contributions to a “church”, the church must be incorporated. It is standard practice for every incorporated denomination to incorporated all their churches. I have never heard of a denomination that is not incorporated. A single, local group, meeting in a home each week, does not have to be incorporated. But such single groups are not usually called denominations, but something like a home church, or a home fellowship.

    • Reply April 20, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Mark Lloyd How can you we anyone

      base the estimate on my own experience

      is it possible if anyone base the estimate on their own experience that they get results exactly the opposite to yours here

    • Reply April 20, 2020

      Mark Lloyd

      Troy Day – Do you know, from your experience, of any church that is not incorporated? Have you ever visited one, or seen one? If not, then the pool of data is expanded significantly. I also have never met anyone who said he attended a non-incorporated church, or could point me to one. Wherever such churches are, they are very difficult to find. An unincorporated church has no property, no employees, no tax returns, no bank account. However many of these there are in the US, the percent of the total churches is very small. It could even be much less than 0.01%.

    • Reply April 20, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Mark Lloyd I’ve consulted lots of churches on both side of the fence There is ALSO partial incorporation – registered with the state but not with IRS ; BTW this is somewhat OFF topic Why did you not comment under the 501c3 discussion and the other one on PPP loans for churches? I worked with non-incorporated church for years

    • Reply April 20, 2020

      Mark Lloyd

      Troy Day – Incorporation is directly linked to what a church can say or not say. An incorporated church is not allowed to speak against any policy established by a government that incorporates it. I haven’t seen the 501c3 and PPP posts. If I do, I’ll reply, it it looks good to do so. — It is good of you to point out that I don’t know exactly what percentage of churches are unincorporated. It would be good to know, if this data is ever released. 99.9% is my guess. It could be better to say, as a guess, 99%+.

    • Reply April 20, 2020

      Mark Lloyd

      Troy Day – I haven’t found any data giving exact numbers, but I did find one estimate that 90%+ of churches are incorporated. Does this sound more reasonable to you?

    • Reply April 20, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Mark Lloyd where? most churches in the world are NOT incorporated one little bit

    • Reply April 20, 2020

      Mark Lloyd

      Troy Day – Churches in US. I don’t know how many are incorporated outside the US.

  • Reply April 18, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    lots of FAKE comments here Joe Absher where to start?

    • Reply April 18, 2020

      Joe Absher

      Discretion is the better part of valour they say . but what is courage . is it duty . is it obedience and faith . what is reckless to some is acceptable and worthy to another .

    • Reply April 18, 2020

      Joe Absher

      A few months ago you wanted Mr Perry Stone as the Prophet Emeritus of the AofG . I said at the time it wasn’t a good idea . so far I haven’t seen anything to make me think different . if that’s your aim it ain’t working .

    • Reply April 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Joe Absher I did not – Peter Vandever did And it was not AG but cog You need to get it together lately

    • Reply April 19, 2020

      Joe Absher

      Do you think Perry Stone is a prophet . let’s start there Mr Day . also I’ve noticed you are free to tag me as often as you take a notion . but typing troy day us a non sequitur . I’m sure you have your reasons . I can accept that just answer the question .
      Mr Day do you think Perry Stone is a prophet yes or no

  • Reply April 18, 2020

    Bobbi Goff Klein

    What I think is bad, a pastor attacks people in the church who are not homosexual or gay. Telling members he is going to run them out of the church. But, his own granddaughter, is gay and living with her partner. He had her sing special. I told him we are a open door church. The members he wanted out were not gay, but left the church. I left too. I pray for homosexual or gay, no I don’t like the life style. Just pray

    • Reply April 18, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      WHAT pastor attacks people in who are not homosexual or gay?

    • Reply April 19, 2020

      Bobbi Goff Klein

      Troy Day , it was at a church we were all members. I ate at least twice a week with one of the people. I was told because I was friends with them that I had a homosexual spirit in me. None of the people were gay. One person ask for a financial statement, so the pastor said they were gay. I was told by a friend that if I posted anything that happened in that church, the pastor would sue me. There’s other things not only me but 90 percent of the members who left could tell.

  • Reply April 18, 2020

    Genny J Baird

    It’s a sin and it’s always gonna be a sin no matter what

    • Reply April 19, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      so what are we going to do about it?

    • Reply April 20, 2020

      Genny J Baird

      Troy Day what can we do? Pray of course we can only pray and show Jesus to others, when things get rough people eventually begin to seek God that’s where our work is! Be the church of the living God and live to represent him his kingdom!!!! Love them to Jesus

    • Reply April 20, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Genny J Baird This news is 5 yrs old The church HAS prayed for over 5yrs on this one – in return state of CA already has a bill that does the above So what else do we do?

  • Reply April 18, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    TWO SERIOUS BUT SENSITIVE QUESTIONS FOR TODAY’S CHURCH:

    1. Is it really necessary for Pastors to dress like thugs (simply defining attire not personality) to reach this generation? – I love them enough to do whatever it takes to reach them…

    2. Is there any place left for Spiritual Fathers in todays ministry climate?

    PS. This is NOT a criticism (it’s research) so be nice…

    • Reply April 19, 2020

      Xavier Willow

      Hey Troy, I believe we should try to relate to people the best way we can without compromising our faith. It’s fine to dress like this generation but that doesn’t mean we should walk around with Gold chains, diamond watches, pants sagging etc. That’s my take on that. In regards to the 2nd question I believe there is always a place for elders and male spiritual leaders in any place but they must be found faithful to Jesus before they can lead others. What do you think?

    • Reply April 20, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Xavier Willow how can we do that when they are trying to take our right to preach? Peter Vandever

    • Reply April 20, 2020

      Peter Vandever

      No one can take that right.

    • Reply April 20, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Peter Vandever CA already has a bill doing it

  • Reply April 20, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    Bobbi Goff Klein did that person had the said spirit? BTW what did you eat that many times a week together? Actually it dont really matter – what do you think about this NEW bill ?

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Danny Kircharr

      Troy Day agreed Brother!! It’s not that we’re anti-gay, anti-LGBTQ as many would immediately say and claim. Its just that WE’RE ALL Pro-Bible and PRO-GODS DESIGN…..

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      CA Bill 2943 is NO joke

      A religious ministry could not hold a conference on maintaining sexual purity if the conference encourages attendees to avoid homosexual behavior.

      A bookstore (even online bookstores) could not sell many recently published books challenging gender identity ideology and advocating that these beliefs should be rejected by society.

      A pastor paid to speak at an event addressing current social topics could not encourage attendees that they can prevail over same-sex desires or feelings that they were born the wrong sex.

      William DeArteaga Ray E Horton dont yall already know it started with blogs and sermon videos before it got to conference book bookstores and social topics Isara Mo better think FAST

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Marc Bonhomme

      Troy Day Disgusting is what it is. Is there no limit to the depravity before our Lord returns?

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Daniel Jennings

    According to Jesus Christ if you even look at someone with lust you’re committing the sin of adultry.
    So arrest the entire planet,
    because the entire planet is guilty of sin.

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      CA Bill 2943 is NO joke

      A religious ministry could not hold a conference on maintaining sexual purity if the conference encourages attendees to avoid homosexual behavior.

      A bookstore (even online bookstores) could not sell many recently published books challenging gender identity ideology and advocating that these beliefs should be rejected by society.

      A pastor paid to speak at an event addressing current social topics could not encourage attendees that they can prevail over same-sex desires or feelings that they were born the wrong sex.

      William DeArteaga Ray E Horton dont yall already know it started with blogs and sermon videos before it got to conference book bookstores and social topics Isara Mo better think FAST

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Desmond Bold

    Like I care for what sinners say a Christian can say to sinners, please, how ironic is that, flipped over. Please

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    Agreed Desmond Bold BUT what do you do when it is the LAW of the LAND? CA Bill 2943 is NO joke

    A religious ministry could not hold a conference on maintaining sexual purity if the conference encourages attendees to avoid homosexual behavior.

    A bookstore (even online bookstores) could not sell many recently published books challenging gender identity ideology and advocating that these beliefs should be rejected by society.

    A pastor paid to speak at an event addressing current social topics could not encourage attendees that they can prevail over same-sex desires or feelings that they were born the wrong sex.

    William DeArteaga Ray E Horton dont yall already know it started with blogs and sermon videos before it got to conference book bookstores and social topics Isara Mo better think FAST

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Desmond Bold

      Troy Day you preach the Gospel, there is all matter of sin, homosexuality is the same a any other sin, preach repentance, they will read the Bible if they are truly saved, otherwise, it doesn’t matter, word with out actions is pointless. The end is inevitable, in Mark Jesus says, before He come, it would be so bad, that if God does not intervene, all humanity will be gone. Just preach, the Spirit will convict.

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Desmond Bold

      Troy Day all I can say, is study Acts, Paul was in prison because they didn’t like what he said, and yet, people still got converted

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Desmond Bold yap Hate that this country has gone that far but what can you say LAST DAYS brother

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Desmond Bold

      Troy Day if we look at the world, it is the worst it has ever been, like Mark says.

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Bob Hawkins

    Everybody has been saying that. It is not proof of prophetic gifting.

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      This was said 5yrs ago and there were NO claims to be prophetic just authentic and true info that very few knew Now that CA Bill 2943 is voted in I assure you it is NO joke A religious ministry could not hold a conference on maintaining sexual purity if the conference encourages attendees to avoid homosexual behavior.
      A bookstore (even online bookstores) could not sell many recently published books challenging gender identity ideology and advocating that these beliefs should be rejected by society.
      A pastor paid to speak at an event addressing current social topics could not encourage attendees that they can prevail over same-sex desires or feelings that they were born the wrong sex.

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Bob Hawkins

      Troy Day – you are right. It is a big problem.

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Kelly Dawes

    Any church that follows this, does not follow Christ.
    Have nothing to do with a church that chooses man over God…walk away.

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Ray Levick

    Please limit posts to End Times discussion. The post may be true but should be put elsewhere.

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Mark Ryan Garnett

      how is this not end times related? I mean we see this happening to churches in many countries all over the world.

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Tim Huff

      Ray Levick this is end time prophecy because attack on the church..

    • Ray Levick right

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Maxwell Orji

    Ray Levick What do we discuss if we don’t discuss this?

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Alan Saffer

    2 Timothy 3.1 But understand this: In the last days terrible times will come. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, without love of good, 4 traitorous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Turn away from such as these!

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Tim Huff

    This bill didn’t pass 2018 so trying it again…

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    James C. Morris

    Such a law would be a blatant violation of the First Amendment.

    • Reply June 25, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      and YET Assembly Bill 2943 now reads:
      A religious ministry could not hold a conference on maintaining sexual purity if the conference encourages attendees to avoid homosexual behavior.
      A bookstore (even online bookstores) could not sell many recently published books challenging gender identity ideology and advocating that these beliefs should be rejected by society.
      A pastor paid to speak at an event addressing current social topics could not encourage attendees that they can prevail over same-sex desires or feelings that they were born the wrong sex.
      SOURCE: https://www.facebook.com/perrystonevoe/posts/1058680284166694

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      James Morgan

      That bill was withdrawn by the author in Aug 2018.

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      James C. Morris

      James Morgan because it had zero possibility of withstanding a court challenge.

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      James Morgan The BILL is listed as 4 times pass on the CA assembly website I am figuring for the most James C. Morris dont have a clue about these OPs

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      James Morgan

      Troy Day the California legislatures website says the bill is dead.

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      James Morgan the link I gave you to CA assembly says it is NOT Pls provide URL for the California legislatures website whatever that may be SAYS pass on all 4 counts 08/16/18 Read third time. Passed. Ordered to the Assembly. (Ayes 25. Noes 11. Page 5339.).

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      James Morgan

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      James Morgan yes You are reading the old version of the Bill Please note in the post SOURCE: (October 25, 2015) – last updated 2020 Also, if you can see WHY 3,000 pastors are suing the state of CA currently to gain a current perspective https://calmatters.org/justice/2020/05/california-shutdown-lawsuits-newsom-dhillon-coronavirus-shelter-in-place-executive-orders/

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Lygia Maria Souza

    Well It is

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Kent Anderson

    So le’s just put God in box, like a jack in the box, crank the handle when U need him….lol

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Duane L Burgess

    Scripture does not teach “prophetic utterances.”

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Paul Gray

    It’s a sin not to tell the truth about sin and be ashamed of the gospel. Blood born pathogens, colonitis, psoriasis of the genitals, hepatitis, are only a few of around twenty sometimes deadly diseases spread among people who practice the disgusting act of sodomy. If you love someone you tell the truth. All things considered sin are against Gods will for good reason . God is not out to stop a good time but to lead us to happy and healthy lifestyles in truth ,honesty and love.

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Dan Waenet

    You can consider this a sign of end times I guess.

  • Reply June 25, 2020

    Craig O'Dell

    You have to question the motives of people who make these types of statements because they are saying their word has greater authority than God’s Word. And, that is the belief of Catholicism. Sheep in wolves clothing!

  • Reply June 26, 2020

    Sunday Okafor

    Infact t’s a crime for the churches and ministers not to publicly say that gay lifestyle is evil and demonic not just sin so just turn the post around

  • Reply June 26, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    I have just been informed of a major plan by the extreme left, that has the support over 100 House members and numerous Senators, that if passed would make it a crime for churches and ministers to publically say the gay lifestyle is a sin, or not allow them to use your church for their own meetings. It would become a crime and the Justice Department would investigate the allegations of “discrimination”, and if the church or minister is “guilty” leveling fines, or if need be incarcerating the leaders. The majority of the politicians among these church haters that are intolerant to traditional religious beliefs happen to be with linked with the “donkey party,” and most have no liking for conservative Christians and will use the law to “Silence the religious right,” as they call it. We will soon find out within the “church” who is on the Lord’s side of the Scriptures and who is “halting between two opinions.” It is the days of Elijah all over again, where the Spirit of Jezebel is after the heads (voices) of the men of God. There is serious government persecution coming to all who stand for truth, and when the “left” becomes violent, as did the men of Sodom against Lot, threatening to rape him for his rebuke of their iniquity, God will change the game and the United States hedge will be removed and catastrophic natural disasters will be unleased. Please mark this day, this post and repost to as many as possible. We must pray for God’s Word to always prevail. Also, a UK report from scientists stated that in the future the earth in in danger of a catastrophic meteor shower! Hummm – I recall Jesus predicting the “stars falling from heaven and the powers of heaven being shaken.” Sounds like the last days! – more to come on periscope

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      Ray Levick

      Troy Day Get the churches to pray them out. When acting as they should we obey. I am informed that the main reason churches in the US are silent is over the Tax exceptions for churches. No much better elsewhere.

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Ray Levick I dont know that you can do that yet

  • Reply June 26, 2020

    Charles Langdon

    Lev 18:22””-“Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination”.

    • Reply June 26, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      clear as day YET law of the land – what do you do?

  • Reply June 26, 2020

    Varnel Watson

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