Concept of Holiness 21st Century Postmodern Christians

Posted by Charles Page in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post

Does the concept of holiness hold any relevance for Christians in the twenty-first century? Or is it rather a relic of the past, with nothing to offer in today’s postmodern world?

Charles Page [01/17/2016 8:36 PM]
perhaps the Anabaptist, Amish and Mennonites, are doing a better job addressing holiness than the traditional Wesleyans are doing.

Ricky Grimsley [01/17/2016 8:40 PM]
Hebrews 12:14 KJVS
[14] Follow peace with all men , and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

John Kissinger [01/17/2016 8:41 PM]
Charles Page you seem to equate all holiness to a dress code, which is rightfully called by Peter A Vandever legalism

Jimmy Humphrey [01/17/2016 8:45 PM]
People prefer to dream big these days, and become a better you

John Kissinger [01/17/2016 9:11 PM]
more than pants Charles Page more than pants and legalism http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/a-j-tomlinson-prayed-through-to-his-own-sanctification/

John Kissinger [01/17/2016 9:14 PM]
SALVATION & HEALING BUT WHERE’S THE SANCTIFICATION & DELIVERANCE MINISTRY? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/salvation-healing-but-wheres-the-sanctification-deliverance-ministry/

John Ruffle [01/17/2016 9:59 PM]
Charles Page: I fail to understand how you can ask such a question, due to the fundamental status of holiness to our outworked Christian faith. The answer is obvious and should be taken as a given, (unless of course any here wish to start a heretical sect, that is).

Melvin Harter [01/17/2016 10:26 PM]
The definition of holiness. Holiness is the result of a sanctified life. If you are not sanctified, then you cannot live a life of holiness. If you have been sanctified, it will be manifested on the outward adornment. The Church of God for 100 years held to what was known as Practical Teachings. They held high standards of holiness and God greatly blessed the CoG. In our modern world, holiness standards have been done away with, but I must say that if you wish to go in the rapture, which is about to take place very soon, you had better be living a life of holiness or you will not make it.

David Lewayne Porter [01/18/2016 10:03 AM]
http://av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-dictionary/holiness.html

Michael Green [01/18/2016 10:52 AM]
God says to be Holy for I am Holy.

John Kissinger [01/18/2016 10:53 AM]
Not just Holy but Holy, Holy, Holy!

Ricky Grimsley [01/18/2016 11:05 AM]
1 Thessalonians 5:22 KJVS
[22] Abstain from all appearance of evil.

John Kissinger [01/18/2016 7:35 PM]
Was it now? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/was-the-church-predestined-for-salvation-or-holiness/ Charles Page Jimmy Humphrey I can always tell from your comments when you have eaten the Good Old Gospel Bird at Gus’s World Famous Fried Chicken 🙂 which bids you to talk holiness and sanctification

Derrick Harmon [01/18/2016 8:40 PM]
I would say that holiness is still important; we just have to make it culturally relevant again.

John Kissinger [01/18/2016 8:40 PM]
The PRACTICE of HOLINESS is above all COUNTER CULTURAL:

1. GOD is holy and He is coming for a HOLY and PURE CHURCH

2. Is HOLINESS even possible in this life time? – Wesley and the church fathers say: YES!

3. Is it mandatory after salvation? – The answer is: YES!

4. Is it instantaneous OR progressive – The answer is … YES! Timothy Carter http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-practice-of-holiness/

John Kissinger [01/21/2016 12:07 PM]
“I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the Will of God. I have seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness…” ~Kingdom of Heaven (2005)

John Kissinger [01/21/2016 12:37 PM]
“I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the Will of God. I have seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness…” ~Kingdom of Heaven (2005)

David Lewayne Porter [01/21/2016 2:31 PM]
We can’t blame religion because of those that are within it.
(That sounds like obama and him coming after guns for the across of a few radical folks.

Besides
James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

John Kissinger [01/21/2016 3:01 PM]
you’re right bro David I was just quoting the movie 🙂

6 Comments

  • Reply June 1, 2017

    Louise Cummings

    Yes. The Bible doesn’t Chang. Methods change. But His Word Never Changes. And. He said Holiness without no man shall see the Lord.

  • Reply June 2, 2017

    Varnel Watson

    Walter Polasik This is a good topic for Melvin Harter to bring it to you and Wayne Scott

    • Reply June 2, 2017

      Walter Polasik

      Hey, nobody said I disagree with the CONCEPT of holiness…just not brought to you in a one-time zap. 😉

    • Reply June 2, 2017

      Varnel Watson

      Is salvation one-time zap? Is baptism with HS one-time zap? Which in the Bible is not? Perhaps you too see progressive sanctification as a license to sin – one more night with the frogs?

    • Reply June 2, 2017

      Walter Polasik

      Troy Day Again, putting words in my mouth. No, sanctification, progressive or positional, has never been a license to sin. As to the other things you mentioned. 1. The Baptism in the Spirit is a definite conversion or post-conversion experience evidence by speaking in tongues. No doubts about it there. Jesus said what you’d get at that point: not instant holiness but POWER. 2. Salvation is also a definite experience and two things are note-worthy here. a) We are told PRECISELY what the Holy Spirit does here. He makes new, He opens the eyes of our understanding to the things of God. He enables us to cry “Abba, Father!”. b) POSITIONALLY because we are JUSTIFIED we are also SANCTIFIED by Christ’s blood, by the FINISHED WORK ON THE CROSS. (How many times do I have to repeat this lesson Troy? Dr. Harter needs to hear it because apparently, though he knows how to read Greek, no other Greek scholar, even Pentecostal ones throughout the world, will agree with him that the Greek, much less the English, supports this doctrine). That is why Paul tells us to “work out your salvation with fear and trembling”. Why if it’s already accomplished? Well, it is, but our POSITIONAL holiness must now be worked out in our every-day life. Day by day, led by the Spirit, taught by the Word sanctified by the written and living Word. At no place will you find Paul or anyone else teaching “zap sanctification”. Ain’t there. And why would it need to be? The Baptism in the Spirit can also take place at the New Birth. Why separate what the Spirit does in THREE installments? And how can you be saved and JUSTIFIED before God without also being SANCTIFIED that moment to stand in the presence of God? Now, applying the “Entire Sanctification” theory we really DO have a case of “haves” (boastful Christians) and have-nots. But thankfully the theory is fictitious and has no biblical grounds. Jesus sanctifies those whom He saves. BTW, this DOESN’T mean that they will never sin again. Anyone who claims that never read Romans 7 or 2 Peter 1. Now, I hope I’ve laid this theological fossil to rest finally. Let’s move on to real theology.

    • Reply June 2, 2017

      Varnel Watson

      Actually simply repeated your use of “one-time” zap. Obviously you lack the theological understanding of entire sanctification; but more importantly, as indicated earlier people who have not experienced entire sanctification may do well just not talking like they have…

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Concept of Holiness 21st Century Postmodern Christians

Posted by in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post

Does the concept of holiness hold any relevance for Christians in the twenty-first century? Or is it rather a relic of the past, with nothing to offer in today’s postmodern world?

Charles Page [01/17/2016 8:36 PM]
perhaps the Anabaptist, Amish and Mennonites, are doing a better job addressing holiness than the traditional Wesleyans are doing.

Ricky Grimsley [01/17/2016 8:40 PM]
Hebrews 12:14 KJVS
[14] Follow peace with all men , and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

John Kissinger [01/17/2016 8:41 PM]
Charles Page you seem to equate all holiness to a dress code, which is rightfully called by Peter A Vandever legalism

Jimmy Humphrey [01/17/2016 8:45 PM]
People prefer to dream big these days, and become a better you

John Kissinger [01/17/2016 9:11 PM]
more than pants Charles Page more than pants and legalism http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/a-j-tomlinson-prayed-through-to-his-own-sanctification/

John Kissinger [01/17/2016 9:14 PM]
SALVATION & HEALING BUT WHERE’S THE SANCTIFICATION & DELIVERANCE MINISTRY? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/salvation-healing-but-wheres-the-sanctification-deliverance-ministry/

John Ruffle [01/17/2016 9:59 PM]
Charles Page: I fail to understand how you can ask such a question, due to the fundamental status of holiness to our outworked Christian faith. The answer is obvious and should be taken as a given, (unless of course any here wish to start a heretical sect, that is).

Melvin Harter [01/17/2016 10:26 PM]
The definition of holiness. Holiness is the result of a sanctified life. If you are not sanctified, then you cannot live a life of holiness. If you have been sanctified, it will be manifested on the outward adornment. The Church of God for 100 years held to what was known as Practical Teachings. They held high standards of holiness and God greatly blessed the CoG. In our modern world, holiness standards have been done away with, but I must say that if you wish to go in the rapture, which is about to take place very soon, you had better be living a life of holiness or you will not make it.

David Lewayne Porter [01/18/2016 10:03 AM]
http://av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-dictionary/holiness.html

Michael Green [01/18/2016 10:52 AM]
God says to be Holy for I am Holy.

John Kissinger [01/18/2016 10:53 AM]
Not just Holy but Holy, Holy, Holy!

Ricky Grimsley [01/18/2016 11:05 AM]
1 Thessalonians 5:22 KJVS
[22] Abstain from all appearance of evil.

John Kissinger [01/18/2016 7:35 PM]
Was it now? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/was-the-church-predestined-for-salvation-or-holiness/ Charles Page Jimmy Humphrey I can always tell from your comments when you have eaten the Good Old Gospel Bird at Gus’s World Famous Fried Chicken 🙂 which bids you to talk holiness and sanctification

Derrick Harmon [01/18/2016 8:40 PM]
I would say that holiness is still important; we just have to make it culturally relevant again.

John Kissinger [01/18/2016 8:40 PM]
The PRACTICE of HOLINESS is above all COUNTER CULTURAL:

1. GOD is holy and He is coming for a HOLY and PURE CHURCH

2. Is HOLINESS even possible in this life time? – Wesley and the church fathers say: YES!

3. Is it mandatory after salvation? – The answer is: YES!

4. Is it instantaneous OR progressive – The answer is … YES! Timothy Carter http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-practice-of-holiness/

John Kissinger [01/21/2016 12:07 PM]
“I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the Will of God. I have seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness…” ~Kingdom of Heaven (2005)

John Kissinger [01/21/2016 12:37 PM]
“I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the Will of God. I have seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness…” ~Kingdom of Heaven (2005)

David Lewayne Porter [01/21/2016 2:31 PM]
We can’t blame religion because of those that are within it.
(That sounds like obama and him coming after guns for the across of a few radical folks.

Besides
James 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man’s religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

John Kissinger [01/21/2016 3:01 PM]
you’re right bro David I was just quoting the movie 🙂

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