Can the AMERICAN CHURCH survive the Tribulation?

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RT @Ron Culbreth After doing my devotion today, as is my custom to do each year on this day I read the Declaration of Independence. I found it says the same thing it said when it was penned 143 years ago. A part of the document says ” We hold these truths to be self- evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness”. We are assured in the document

HOWEVER @Robert Borders We have tens of thousands of refugees from Myanmar living within 20 miles of our house in Indiana and I have found the people to be delightful and very hard working.

RT @Jim Price As we celebrate the fourth of July and freedom I am reminded that 68 million, men, women and children are spending this day in refugee camps around the world. This is one of the highest numbers ever recorded.
One of the most desperate groups are the Rohingya who have been forced out of Myanmar. The U.N. says there are over 900,000 of them of which 600,000 plus are illiterate, 500,000 are children;all forced into a dense jungle like area in Bangladesh.
The U.N.through their member nations are trying to keep them alive. That’s like keeping a population the size of the Nashville area supplied through rough jungle roads. Just finding enough room for burial is a big challenge.
Just another way to compare our freedom and lifestyle here in America.

Rico Hero apart from the video (I dont believe in a Muslim antiChrist either but Ricky Grimsley may believe it ) a few questions
(1) for starters: ONLY the ones who take the mark of the Beast (whoever that may be) will not be able to buy or sell. Anything! Food, gas, electricity, water – absolutely nothing.
(2) The pastors will NOT be able to receive salaries, insurance or anything included in their package. Remember, if the church cannot buy or sale, neither can the pastor receive a salary. And even if a salary is given, what would the pastor spend it on without the mark of the beast?
(3) Tithing system – those are most usually set up with a paper check or some sort of electronic banking like debiting or crediting. With the mark of the beast, the church will NOT be able to receive those moneys and even if it does, it cannot operate with them to buy or sell anything.
(4) What about church buildings – without the mark of the beast they will not be able to purchase any service – electricity, lights, internet, gas for church vans, insurance, special events, catering, food – no communion elements. Nothing at all. With no professional services available, a church building may last a few months, but will fall apart soon before the Tribulation is over… Just think about it
(5) Any other church related logistics or operations that depend on the purchase of gasoline and transportation. They way current church infrastructure in America is set up, how many would actually take the time to walk miles and miles to a church?

44 Comments

  • Reply July 4, 2019

    RichardAnna Boyce

    all of the Jewish american church will survive the tribulation.

  • Reply July 5, 2019

    Robert Erwine

    “Jewish american church ” … explain what that is .

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      are you falling for dual covenant theology? Philip Williams it could be jewish law proselytizers ??? Tom Steele

  • Reply July 5, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    RT Ron Culbreth After doing my devotion today, as is my custom to do each year on this day I read the Declaration of Independence. I found it says the same thing it said when it was penned 143 years ago. A part of the document says ” We hold these truths to be self- evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness”. We are assured in the document

    HOWEVER Robert Borders We have tens of thousands of refugees from Myanmar living within 20 miles of our house in Indiana and I have found the people to be delightful and very hard working.

    RT Jim Price As we celebrate the fourth of July and freedom I am reminded that 68 million, men, women and children are spending this day in refugee camps around the world. This is one of the highest numbers ever recorded.
    One of the most desperate groups are the Rohingya who have been forced out of Myanmar. The U.N. says there are over 900,000 of them of which 600,000 plus are illiterate, 500,000 are children;all forced into a dense jungle like area in Bangladesh.
    The U.N.through their member nations are trying to keep them alive. That’s like keeping a population the size of the Nashville area supplied through rough jungle roads. Just finding enough room for burial is a big challenge.

    Just another way to compare our freedom and lifestyle here in America.

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Some of those Enlightenment ideals in the Declaration were written by a Deist and are contrary to the Scriptures..e.g. ‘created for the pursuit of happiness.’ Such rights are destroying this nation. Of course, the author denied the deity of Jesus.

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      Link Hudson OK, so the hiding in the rocks scenario, in which Jesus is most obviously speaking to the Jews. They knew how to carve hideaway caves in the lime rock of the desolated land and hide whole villages from the Romans. Let’s say my Indonesian related friend lives in mid-Georgia area near Atlanta. Which rocky area can he run into and hide his family, especially if with many kids? How long would be able to survive, having lived the city life and not knowing how to skin even a squirrel? And most importantly, what kind of church would that be that survives the Tribulation and comes into the Havens? Zero to none is perhaps the best answer for the post-trib scenario.

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day you start with a slit down the squirrels bacck but there is more tgan one way toskin a squirrel. I hear rats arecleaner.

      None of your questions have anything to do with which eschatology is right. He told those in Judea….not Georgia… to flee into the mountains.

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Ron Culbreth

      Philip Williams Study history. You will find the truth.

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Ron Culbreth Problem is that I know this history better than David Barton. 🙂

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Ron Culbreth

      Philip Williams then you should know none of the ideas in the document were Jefferson’s.

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Ron Culbreth John Locke, but Isaac Newton’s denial of the divinity of Jesus by referring to the Supreme Creator instead of the Lord Jesus.

    • Reply July 7, 2019

      Ron Culbreth

      Show me a better document, other than the bible, suitable for the declaring of one’s liberty from a tyrannical government.

  • Reply July 5, 2019

    Philip Williams

    A more insightful title should be, “Can the American Church survive the Prosperity!”

  • Reply July 5, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    Philip Williams indeed thou art truly deeply wrong on your claim about early Pentecostals not believing in the rapture They did too – This is from 1907 Apostolic Faith list

    Those that get left In the rapture and still prove faithful to God and do not receive the mark of the beast, though they will have to suffer martYrdom, will be raised to reign with C’hrist. Antlch.rlst wllJ reign during the tribulation and everything will be Controlled by hIm and by the false prophet, when they have succeed.ed In unIting the whole world In acknowledging tho antichrist.

    The Apostolic Faith (September, 1907)

    There will be two appearances of Jesus under one coming. The first appearance is called the Rapture, when He comes as a thief in the night and catches away His bride; the second is called the Revelation when He shall come with ten thousand of His saints and destroy the wicked with the brightness of His coming, and when His feet shall touch the same mount from which He ascended. But we want to be ready for the first appearance, to be caught up. We must be caught up with Him, before we can come back with Him.
    ——–
    Nothing but holy people will meet the Lord Jesus in the skies, when He comes in the rapture. Those that had no light on the baptism with the Holy Ghost but were sanctified will have part in the first resurrection, for the Word says, “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection.” So we see the first resurrection is of the holy people. Those that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus during the tribulation will be raised at His revelation. Rev. 20. 4 makes this plain.

    ***

    The Lord Jesus is coming back with His bride on white horses from the marriage supper of the Lamb, to avenge His Blood on the antichrist and the false prophet.-Rev. 19:11, 14 and Jude 14, 15. The awful battle of Armageddon then takes place. Zechariah tells of this battle in the 14th chapter. Also we read in the last verse of this 14th chapter of Revelations, “And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horses’ bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.” Just think of 200 miles of blood up to the horses’ bridles.
    Then the great millennium is ushered in when Jesus shall sit on His throne and reign from shore to shore. This is when, “The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock; and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.”-Isa. 65:25 and Isa. 11:6-9.
    Then after we have reigned with Christ a thousand years, we shall sit on the judgment seat of Christ and judge men and angels. Then the justified and unrighteous will be raised to stand at the white throne judgment. The justified dead and those who lived during the millennium will be given everlasting life. That is the second resurrection.
    Every full overcomer is going to be caught up when Jesus comes. O may God help His people that they all may meet Him in the skies. If you keep living this salvation moment by moment, you are going to be ready for the rapture, which is the coming of our Lord as a thief in the night to catch away His bride. Everyone that is not ready, like the foolish virgins, will be left to go through the awful tribulation that is coming on the earth.

    and so on it all over the publication well preached and believed at Azusa

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    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Philip Williams

      That is certainly evidence that some early Pentecostals believed in the rapture however contrary to the early teachings of the latter rain. But thank you for pointing this out. I will stand corrected.

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      Perhaps for this reason a question is asked in the Revelations about Who are those coming from the Tribulation? If those are NOT Israel, the question is asked in the Holy Book in the most surprising matter. Both the asker and the answerer are quire surprised that ANYone has been able to pass through the Tribulation without taking the Mark of the Beast. The surprise in the text comes from only one reasonable explanation – the church is already in the Heavens, saved from any Tribulation and celebrating with the Lamb of God. The ones coming from the Tribulation are the exception to this rule. They are the Left Behind…

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day Revelation 7 makes it clear that the 12 tribes are the same as the multitude from all nations that have gone through the great tribulation. That shows the result of what Christ has been doing for about 2000 years,

  • Reply July 5, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    Rico Hero Link Hudson Philip Williams Billy Monroe Poff I dont believe in a Muslim antiChrist so JUST a few questions on IF American church can survive Tribulation

    (1) for starters: ONLY the ones who take the mark of the Beast (whoever that may be) will not be able to buy or sell. Anything! Food, gas, electricity, water – absolutely nothing.

    (2) The pastors will NOT be able to receive salaries, insurance or anything included in their package. Remember, if the church cannot buy or sale, neither can the pastor receive a salary. And even if a salary is given, what would the pastor spend it on without the mark of the beast?

    (3) Tithing system – those are most usually set up with a paper check or some sort of electronic banking like debiting or crediting. With the mark of the beast, the church will NOT be able to receive those moneys and even if it does, it cannot operate with them to buy or sell anything.

    (4) What about church buildings – without the mark of the beast they will not be able to purchase any service – electricity, lights, internet, gas for church vans, insurance, special events, catering, food – no communion elements. Nothing at all. With no professional services available, a church building may last a few months, but will fall apart soon before the Tribulation is over… Just think about it

    (5) Any other church related logistics or operations that depend on the purchase of gasoline and transportation. They way current church infrastructure in America is set up, how many would actually take the time to walk miles and miles to a church?

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      Philip Williams seems like Link Hudson is suggesting the Pope and the whole Catholic church to reside in houses or homes for a Sunday Eucharist meals

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Billy Monroe Poff

      Troy Day first off explain to me your reasoning for being dead set against the anti-Christ being Muslim.,.

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Not my suggestion. Do you think Peter was the first pope?

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Isn’t this pointing to the US Federal Government as the beast? The Pope doesn’t regulate US Protestant churches.

  • Reply July 5, 2019

    Gary Micheal Epping

    There will be sheepfolds for protection, manna from above, and Christians trading with each other through barter. You can trade your squirrel for some vegetables at the next bozrah down the road, Troy.

  • Reply July 5, 2019

    Link Hudson

    Is the reasoning that us going through the tribulation us scary so therefore it will not happen?

  • Reply July 5, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    Gary Micheal Epping been thinking a LOT lately about the difference between wolf in sheep skin and a shepherd dog – ppl mix them cause they both have long teeth But neither you nor Link Hudson remind me of such skilled to lead through tribulation I’ve told Alan Smith that maybe Charles Page or Tom Steele but with the one being patristic and the other one judaistic not too sure if church will end up legalistic or even Laodecistics Joe Absher

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day if you live long enough maybe you can lead on the local level during the tribulation.

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      Link Hudson I will live long enough and then eternally in heaven I would be more worried about yourself and Gary – the old wife tale that you believe in post-Trib but God will take you in the pre-Trib will not fly except fly away that is It is done according to your faith – you believe post Trib have it your way I hear McDonalds will be still serving postribbers

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day if you gave any scripture for pretrib we are still waiting

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      Link Hudson you done forgot them in 2 weeks?

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day you keep posting stuff that doesn’t support your position, eg Perry Stone vids that try to dpi. A scenario where I Thes. 3 could fit with pretrib. What is lackingis actual Biblical evidence while there is evidence to the contrary

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      Link Hudson naah I posted several very in depth exegesis of KEY passages you simply cant grasp Remember? Then you forget them in 2-3 weeks or so

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day you post links to long articles off site which try to spin passages where they could potentuslly fit with post trib. If you want me to read I want to see your words in a Facebook cornbox. Not a link to a book on Amazon.

    • Reply July 5, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      Link Hudson I think you’ll do just finding it yourself this time

    • Reply July 6, 2019

      Gary Micheal Epping

      Troy Day So, according to the gospel of Troy, there is a new requirement for salvation. In order to be saved and go to heaven to be with Jesus, one must not only believe in the Lord Jesus, but also believe in a pre-trib rapture! I believe in Jesus, and also believe what he said about the timing of the resurrection and rapture in MAT 24: ” Immediately after the tribulation of those days… he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

    • Reply July 6, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      I dont see yall making through Just saying

  • Reply March 16, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    I have long asked this Daniel J Hesse Gary Micheal Epping

    walmart is NOT taking online orders

    is NOT delivering to home

    is NOT doing curb pickup no more

    and you can get only 2 of each like NOAH

    yes – you can only get 2 eggs 🙂

    How can a church that cannot survive coronavirus survive the Tribulation ? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/preventing-covid-19-in-faith-based-communities/

  • Reply May 9, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    Chris Baudean tell Neil Steven Lawrence HOW you can survive CHURCH building empty Business shut down Michigan stopped all private gardening Then what? – caves and manna ?

    • Reply May 9, 2020

      Chris Baudean

      Troy Day my God man you have no true faith in Jesus Christ, which is evidently exposed by your own mouth.

    • Reply May 9, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Chris Baudean oh HOLD ON NOW Why is it that I dont have faith WHEN John in Revelation is CLEAR?

      in the words of JESUS himself
      Tribulation no on has seen since the fall of the worlds
      1/3 population dies

      1 out of 3 is a major major number I argued this with Gary Micheal Epping and we got to some point BUT pls note there hasnt been plague LIKE Tribulation – so CHURCH will survive based on what? https://www.amazon.com/Tribulation-Survival-Manual-Millions-Disappeared/dp/1697686206

    • Reply May 9, 2020

      Chris Baudean

      Troy Day The reason why I say you don’t have faith is that you don’t believe that God can do all that to the wicked and keep you perfectly safe at the same time while punishing the wicked.

    • Reply May 10, 2020

      Varnel Watson

      Chris Baudean it dont depend on my belief GOD in the BIBLE said we will be gone That I believe and have faith for The person who dont have faith shall be LEFT BEHIND – pretty clear in the BIBLE if you are asking me

    • Reply May 11, 2020

      Chris Baudean

      BTW what I said above is Bible from 2 peter 2

  • Reply May 9, 2020

    Varnel Watson

  • Reply May 9, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    BTW Chris Baudean the ones with faith we are going up in the Rapture the ones without faith are lEFT BEHIND 🙂

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