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Corey Forsyth [11/03/2015 2:53 PM]
So I have to hear the explanation as to why the sinners prayer is such a sin. I have always seen it as nothing more than a structure to help unbelievers accept Christ. It seems like a potentially fiery debate based on your post so just for clarity, I am not looking for a fight but for an explanation for your stance. Thanks!
David N Laura Aragon [11/03/2015 3:02 PM]
THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO BECOME BORN AGAIN AND THAT IS OF WATER AND SPIRIT JOHN 3:5. / OBEYING ACTS 2: 38,, THIS IS THE APOSTLES BORN AGAIN DOCTRINE., THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF SALVATION, NOT THEIR SINNERS PRAYER.
Corey Forsyth [11/03/2015 3:12 PM]
So salvation is a process?
Corey Forsyth [11/03/2015 3:15 PM]
And stop shouting! I can hear you. LOL
David N Laura Aragon [11/03/2015 3:26 PM]
LUKE 13:3,- MARK 16:16, ACTS 10:48, ACTS 2:38, OBEY THIS PROCESS,
Eric Shonebarger [11/03/2015 4:01 PM]
So David N Laura Aragon, how do you communicate that to someone that is lost? Pretend that I need to be saved.
John Kissinger [11/03/2015 4:10 PM]
Eric Shonebarger what is “Hebrews Cafe”?
Corey Forsyth [11/03/2015 5:22 PM]
I would really like an explanation like Eric requested. How do you present that to an unbeliever? Sending an unbeliever to a list of scriptures certainly isn’t going be beneficial since they are almost guaranteed to never look them up in the first place
John Kissinger [11/03/2015 5:24 PM]
You may be the Only Bible Some People Read. This quote is mentioned in AJ Tomlinson’s 1902 issue of “Samson’s Foxes”
David N Laura Aragon [11/03/2015 5:32 PM]
THE SCRIPTURES ARE WHAT WE BELIEVE, THEY HAVE THE POWER , NOT OUR WORDS,OUR FAITH / BELIEF COMES FROM HEARING THE WORDS OF GOD.
Corey Forsyth [11/03/2015 6:07 PM]
That’s a cop out. Jesus didn’t refer people to the scrolls to give His message. Neither did any of the apostles. They used… Wait for it… Their words to spread the Gospel. Based on what you just said, people weren’t able to accept and form of salvation until we had Scripture in book form.
Corey Forsyth [11/03/2015 6:10 PM]
Also, John 1:1 talks an awful lot about the “Word.” If words don’t have power to spread the Gospel, why such emphasis on the Word? If God used His Words to speak the world into existence and He created us in His image, why would our words be insufficient for spreading the Gospel. Especially when we are speaking Scripture (regardless of translation).
David N Laura Aragon [11/03/2015 6:18 PM]
YOUR WORDS ARE NOT GODS WORDS, YOUR WORDS DOES NOT HAVE SALVATION IN THEM . AND YOU SAY COP OUT, BECAUSE I WONT PREACH TO YOU , WHERE IS YOUR UNDERSTAND, CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES, ARE YOU A SINNER, LETS GO AND CHAT VOICE TO VOICE,AND I WII SHARE SALVATION SPEECH WITH YOU.
Corey Forsyth [11/03/2015 6:33 PM]
But your words have no power. You have said this. I am by no means estranged from salvation. I asked you for your method of sharing your salvation speech with an unbeliever. You haven’t done it here but you want me to call you? I am utterly confused at how my words have no power because they aren’t God’s words but yours are good enough for a phone call? This is actually a MAJOR reason I left the apostolic church. Every time I asked a question, it was answered with nothing but cliche and quick bible quotes but no one willing to explain anything to support their belief.
Eric Shonebarger [11/03/2015 6:35 PM]
In the context of Acts 2, Peter definitely explained Joel 2 to get the salvation message out did he not?
David N Laura Aragon [11/03/2015 6:45 PM]
COREY -IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU LIVE BY OPINIONS AND PRIVATE INTERPRETATIONS OF THE SCRIPTURES,YOU SHOULD TRY LIVING BY AS IT IS WRITTEN. I KNOW NOW YOU CHANGED CAUSE YOU LIKED DOING YOU OWN THING AND NOT THE WILL GOD AS IT IS WRITTEN.
Link Hudson [11/03/2015 10:07 PM]
I do see a problem with preachers acting like if you rush a crowdthrough a sinner’s prayer without even preaching the Gospel to them, that they are saved because they went through the ritual of repeating a prayer. If repeating a prayer saves people, why would we think that people who go to churches where they recite the apostle’s creed aren’t saved? The apostles’ creed is a lot better than some of the ‘sinner’s prayers’ I’ve heard for explaining the gospel to people.
John Kissinger [11/04/2015 6:54 AM]
David are you saying that the SINNER’S PRAYER is fruit OF FALSE PROPHETS?
John Kissinger [11/04/2015 9:17 AM]
that’s kind of calvinistic isnt it? David
David N Laura Aragon [11/04/2015 9:24 AM]
WE WILL KNOW OUR ENEMY’S BY THEIR FRUIT. MATTHEW 7:16,
David M. Hinsen [11/04/2015 9:33 AM]
Interesting convo
John Kissinger [11/04/2015 9:42 AM]
yeah, I’m not too sure about it either but there’s a calvinist preacher preaching that from time to time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZyzzSw0Log
John Kissinger [11/04/2015 10:17 AM]
Corey Forsyth this is a very calvinistic approach toward conversion
David N Laura Aragon [11/04/2015 10:19 AM]
YOUR VIDEO IS VERY TRUE, THIS SINNERS PRAYER IS FALSE SALVATION,
Corey Forsyth [11/04/2015 10:23 AM]
To be perfectly honest, I am very unfamiliar with Calvinism. I simply believe that there should be change in someone when they come to Christ. Many alter calls I have seen in my little corner of the world seem to be interested in numbers games and making salvation a light experience. I am not anti sinners prayer but I do agree with Washer that salvation has become too light of an affair. Every one that encountered Christ throughout my study of Scripture experienced change. I remember growing up in the baptist and church of God churches and seeing people accept Christ through true conviction resulting in change. Maybe I am better served to say that I think to more modern “you’re fine the way you are but better with Jesus” mentality rubs me the wrong way.
