Are there varying degrees of punishment in hell?
Ricky Grimsley [03/03/2016 11:44 AM]
There maybe in hell but i think in the lake of fire it will all be the same.
Brody Pope [03/03/2016 12:24 PM]
I heard a preacher explain why God brings people out of hell to be judged just to be thrown back, only this time in a lake of fire. And he said to determine the degree of the torment they face.
John Conger [03/03/2016 12:36 PM]
according to luke 12:48 there will be. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
i believe that the preacher’s explanation sounds good but don’t see it in scripture. i believe often people us common understandings of current structures (judicial in this case) to guide their understanding of Scripture. I’ve seen it many many times with pre trib proponents. this can be helpful but we can’t take it too far.
Ricky Grimsley [03/03/2016 12:53 PM]
The real question i always ask is ” is there anything that we could do that justifies an eternity in the lake of fire?” That a long time i think?
John Conger [03/03/2016 1:04 PM]
I’m leaning more and more toward annihilation.
Ricky Grimsley [03/03/2016 1:12 PM]
Dont get that discussion started. Even asking that question will get you called liar, heretic, and that you are impugning God’s character for not wanting to punish someone for all eternity even though they were born in a muslim country and never met christian.
John Conger [03/03/2016 1:14 PM]
I’m used to it
Ricky Grimsley [03/03/2016 1:22 PM]
If I do not return to the pulpit this weekend, millions of people will go to hell. Jimmy Swaggart
John Conger [03/03/2016 1:37 PM]
Corey Forsyth [03/03/2016 1:40 PM]
I have a friend who went the route of saying that hell is a temporary punishment and that everyone winds up in heaven eventually… I am not convinced of his particular argument because he had to dissect about 3 languages to prove his point even a little…
John Conger [03/03/2016 1:55 PM]
yeah i see no merit for that belief.
Ricky Grimsley [03/03/2016 1:57 PM]
I think everyone ending up in heaven is absurd. However, when a person asks how can god punish people eternally and justify it, we should have a better answer than because ” i said so”
John Kissinger [03/03/2016 4:39 PM]
Vlad Stepanov Ilya Okhotnikov Yuri Markov https://meduza.io/en/feature/2015/05/20/i-ve-seen-hell-and-it-is-real
Ricky Grimsley [03/03/2016 4:41 PM]
We all believe hell is real.
Brody Pope [03/03/2016 4:50 PM]
People have a choice. And you face the consequences if you choose to live against God and not accept Jesus Christ. People send themselves. And Ricky, everybody goes to heaven. Some stand before a white throne of judgement before being tossed into a lake of fire. Others get to stay and live in Glory for all eternity.
Ricky Grimsley [03/03/2016 4:56 PM]
Yes Brody Pope i know every one goes to the judgement. I was using “going to heaven” as in living eternally. We say everyone gets a choice and all that but really does some person raised muslim who is taught hatred from birth have the same chances that you are i have?
Ricky Grimsley [03/03/2016 5:07 PM]
Like i said, aside from a biblical argument, what could a person actually do that would warrant and eternal punishment. Keep in mind that as finite beings it would be hard to argue that we could do enough sin to warrant an eternal punishment unless you include leading others to eternal punishment. Again, its not about an argument. Its about answering reasonable questions from people that all they hear is “choose God or go to hell but by the way he loves you.” Jesus asked forgiveness for the people who nailed him to the cross but somehow is ready to toss into the lake of fire the the jungle dwelling native who will never hear his name? Im not promoting a doctrine, just a discussion among adults.
Timothy Carter [03/03/2016 6:44 PM]
It is very simple. We can not do enough good, to deserve Heaven. Therefore, we can not do enough bad, to deserve Hell.
It is not a matter of our doing less we can boast.
If we could earn our position in the Hell, we could boast,
” look at me I am the darkest one that’s ever been!”
” Well, at least I’m not as bad as that person over there.”
These boast, would be legitimate, and accurate.
We cannot, earn our way into Heaven. Our righteousness is Jesus Christ.
We cannot, earned our way into Hell. Our filthiness/ sin is the lack of Jesus Christ.
Ricky Grimsley [03/03/2016 7:36 PM]
I completely agree. Eternal life or eternal death.
Troy Day [03/03/2016 8:00 PM]
Hard as it may be for us to conceive, Scripture seems to teach that there are degrees of punishment in hell. Bible is clear that with greater revelation and responsibility comes stricter judgment (cf. James 3:1). Jesus warned the Pharisees that they would “be punished most severely” for their willful hypocrisy (Luke 20:47). In denouncing the cities where most of his miracles had been performed, Jesus said, “Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes” (Matthew 11:21). Thus, said Jesus, “It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you” (v. 22). http://www.ligonier.org/learn/devotionals/degrees-punishment/
Diamond Mcnamara [03/04/2016 1:04 PM]
We wish you a joyful and,by all means a successful resurrection in the flesh without – what you might consider – undue delay
Al Green [03/04/2016 1:17 PM]
Before Jesus was crucified and paid the price with his blood for our sin all souls traveled to a place called Sheol in the Hebrew until Jesus died and freed the souls of those who believed in messiah and opened the way by leading captivity captive and ascending to the right hand of the father
Al Green [03/04/2016 1:20 PM]
The lake of fire or Gehenna in Aramaic will be where all those who reject Jesus will suffer so all who don’t know him please receive his free gift of salvation by accepting his death burial and resurrection he lives