ὅτι ἦτε ἐν τῷ καιρῷ ἐκείνῳ χωρὶς Χριστοῦ ἀπηλλοτριωμένοι τῆς πολιτείας
τοῦ Ἰσραὴλ καὶ ξένοι τῶν διαθηκῶν τῆς ἐπαγγελίας ἐλπίδα μὴ ἔχοντες καὶ
ἄθεοι ἐν τῷ κόσμῳ
(Eph. 2:12 TR)
Paul makes a statement that “once” the Gentiles, apart from Christ, have no “citizenship” in Israel, and are “strangers from the covenants of promise”-the benefits of citizenship.
Furthermore, in vs 19, he says,
“ἄρα οὖν οὐκέτι ἐστὲ ξένοι καὶ πάροικοι ἀλλὰ συμπολῖται τῶν ἁγίων καὶ
οἰκεῖοι τοῦ θεοῦ” implying, that such rights of citizenship are given in Christ.
Is this an accurate rendering of πολιτείας? Or is Paul simply making a rhetorical comparison, which the syntax allows him to do?
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Varnel Watson
this is the bapticostal area of Link Hudson but I still browsed through the article without much problem https://hyesungfrancis.com/2015/09/13/the-gift-of-tongues-in-corporate-worship/
Link Hudson
What do you tink of as ‘Bapticostal’? Is that what you call the AoG? That’s a weird way of labeling that background, IMO. AoG’s beliefs are ore Wesleyan, IMO, than Baptist, except on water baptism and church structure.
Link Hudson
The idea that there are ‘two types of tongues’ in I Corinthians 14 doesn’t stand up to scrutiney. I Corinthians 14::28 indicates that they are the same ‘type’ of tongues, the difference being whether an interpreter is present or not. The same type of tongue can be interpreted, or not interpreted. There is no evidence that it is a separate category of gift of manifestation.
Link Hudson
This is an interesting quote,
“It could be said that the Corinthians are an example of over-enthusiastic charismatics on the verge of idolizing the signs and wonders. They may have gathered to produce the sign for the sake of producing a sign”
He’s probably heard that view from anti-gifts types and is addressing the objection. I think this idea is eisegesis. Paul doesn’t even accuse the Corinthians of being showy. Some people assert that about the text. I think that’s eisegesis as well. It’s funny how some commentators will eisegete whatever problems they have with the Charismatic or Pentecostal movement into I Corinthians.
When Paul corrects the Corinthian’s misuse of tongues, he attributes it to childish understanding. They did not understand what edified others. He doesn’t say they had idolized the gifts were were seeking attention.
The article goes on to point out how Paul did not oppose their use of the gifts. It is interesting that Paul was careful to encourage their enthusiasm about spiritual gifts, while directing them to use them in a way that edifies others.
Speaking in tongues edifies the speaker. But it has to be interpreted to edify others, so they can be edified through hearing the interpretation.
Varnel Watson
Actually the view of worship the Book instead of God and making the gifts an idol is very much a Pentecostal move in reaction to the early Pentecostal hyper attention to gifts and literal interpretation methods.