1. Question – Greek Grammar, the Subjunctive and ὅταν:
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In 1 Corinthians 13:10 – Will “The Perfect” actually come to everyone – all at the same time?
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Or, does the underlying Greek indicate a subjective experience? Could it be a subjective experience, (like dying and going to heaven, or Spiritual Maturity)?
2. Basis of the Question: ὅταν = ὅτε + ἄν
Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance, ὅταν – as long as, whenever; From hote and an; whenever (implying hypothesis or more or less uncertainty); also causatively (conjunctionally) inasmuch as — as long (soon) as, that, + till, when(-soever), while.
3. The Text
1 Corinthians 13:10 – and whenever | ὅταν the perfect might come | ἔλθῃ – Subjunctive, the partial will fall away.
1 Corinthians 13:12 – “… presently, I know partially, and then I will intimately know, just fully just as I also have been fully known.”
Closely Related:
– 1 Corinthians 13:10 – What does Paul mean by “Completeness”?
– 1 Corinthians 13:10 – What does “The Perfect” Refer to?
– 1 Corinthians 13:10 – What Will Cease when “The Perfect” Comes?
– 1 Corinthians 13:8 – What is the Significance of the Intransitive verb “παύσονται”?
– 1 Corinthians 13:9-10 – What Does “ἐκ μέρους” Mean?
– 1 Corinthians 13:9 – What does “Out From” Mean?
Varnel Watson
http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2015/07/05/isis-promises-to-behead-obama-and-transform-america-into-muslim-province/
Varnel Watson
Ricky Grimsley Charles Page We are delivered from wrath (wrath to come) and we will not come through the wrath. We cannot allow ourselves to be deceived by the dominionist and kingdom now preachers Brody Pope
Ricky Grimsley
I agree ……thats why i am “pre-wrath”. Gods wrath doesnt start until after the midpoint of the tribulation bowls and trumpets and what not.
Carl Murphy
Or Perry Stone, John Hagee or the rest. I just the old COG boilerplate testimony of the 1940’s prayed up paid up and ready to go up. I find it interesting how many acolytes these guys have considering how often they are wrong. Reminds of of the Jehovah’s Witnesses when they picked various dates for Christ return, none of which planned out. Charles Russell finally admitted he made it all up but here they are 100 years later clinging to what the man said before he repudiated it.
http://fanaticforjesus.blogspot.com/2011/08/perry-stone-is-he-sheep-or-wolf.html?m=1