Pentecostals in Trump’s America

Pentecostals in Trump’s America
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Marc Jackson Joseph Kidwell The very definition of a backslidden Church.SIGNS of the times
Marc Jackson oh Leon oh Bible oh you didnt
Edward Quinn You’re talking about Bill Clinton
Marc Jackson Did Clinton get the evangelical vote?
Byron Benefield I thought this was a Pentecostal Theology page…  How is this relevant to that??
Marc Jackson Byron 71% of American evangelicals was said to involve a minimal of half of all Pentecostals in the country It was Pentecostal theologians that promoted prayer for TrumpIt was Pentecostal theologians who prophesied for TrumpIt was Pentecostal theologians who said Trump got saved and It was Pentecostal theologians who voted for TrumpThis is HOW this subject became prominent in Pentecostal Theology The recent SPS meeting presented a minimum of dozen research papers on the Trumpian election and Trumpian era from the point of political theology, church and state, social justice, kingdom now and on and on  Pentecostal topics (not to mention social and legal issues that have been objectively addressed in regard of Pentecostal church theology and praxis since the 2016 elections)With all this in mind, why do you feel the subject has nothing to do with Pentecostal theology in 21st century America?
Byron Benefield There was no question in this post or anything concerning theology..  just an anti-Trump agenda.  Seems as if this page is being used to promote that instead of discussing Theology.. Theology is the study of the nature of God and religious belief.
Joseph Kidwell Troy Day, you are absolutely right. It’s very relevant.
Marc Jackson already addressed but here it is again: there should be more posts like this so next time the church could produce a candidate and have our own choice instead of serving the will of sinners ?
Clyde M. Hughes It is not Trump we support but a defiance of the policies of the liberals which are anti-life, anti-Christian, anti-Semitic/Israel, anti-family, anti-marriage, anti-religious freedom, anti-family, anti-capitalist, anti-American sovereignty, pro-UN, pro-World Bank, pro-World Court, anti-American exceptionalism, pro-drug, etc. Non-involvement means more men is girls rest rooms. High tower Evangelicals are destroying our nation by taking the easy road of being non-committal. The pre-Revolutionary preachers were at the forefront of stirring the flames of revolution against a brutal British regime. They raised regiments to fight and die against the British. Now, whenever the media brings up morality, preachers shrink into mice and become quiet on moral issues.
Jerome Herrick Weymouth Clyde M. Hughes and Trump is our answer to the Hillerites!!!
Clyde M. Hughes Trump’s past behavior is despicable, but is there the possibility of grace in this instance? The same critics of Trump strongly supported the horrid behavior in office of Bill, JFK and even MLK. Politics is not a pretty thing, but neither is prayer without action. We will never become a theocracy or the utopia the Dominionists promise but we can slow down the moral decline.
Joseph Kidwell Clyde M. Hughes, if you want to slow moral decline, the answer is the preaching of the gospel.
Clyde M. Hughes Joseph Kidwell True, but a preacher who has no action to match his words isn’t worth a plug nickel.
Joseph Kidwell Jesus said that the “…kingdom does not come with observation…” and “…the kingdom is within you.” The Church is not called to pressure politicians to write laws which will make people do right. We are called to lead people to Christ and when He comes into their lives, then they will have a have the desire and ability to do right.
Clyde M. Hughes A lot of Germans felt the same way and left the politics to the sinners and tens of millions died and most went to hell prematurely. Every problem in America is linked to sin and the silence of cowardly preachers. Barna states that only 10% of pastors have the courage to speak out on moral issues if they have a political connotation. As soon as an issue is taken up on the political circuit, the preachers shut down.
Ron Hamm Gee…grace must not exist .
Joseph Kidwell Last I checked, in order for one to receive the grace of God, one must repent. Trump made it very clear during the Iowa Primary, that he has never asked God for forgiveness for anything.
Marc Jackson Ron Grace is for the ones who seek to repent. Not for the ones who say they have nothing to ask God to forgive them. Remember the parable?
Melvin Shomo Well I’ll be I wonder why God had his Prophets anoint men into power that would serve a graven image. Or they would not acknowledge him in all their waysMaybe Hilary Clinton should be President then you can accuse the Christian for not taking action to make a difference
Jerome Herrick Weymouth Don’t cross Hillery or you be on her list of 30+ of dead friends.
Joseph Kidwell Another far-right conspiracy theory, like 9-11 being an ‘inside job’. Listen, if Bill couldn’t hide oral sex in the oval office, I seriously doubt that the Clinton’s could hide 30+ murders.
Jerome Herrick Weymouth well old Joe do you belive every lie from the far leftist agenda of the demon-crats?
Joseph Kidwell Well Trumptard, do you believe every lie from Fox News?
Jan Dixon Sykes You just lost your high moral ground, Joseph, when you stooped to call Jerome a name.  He name-called your party, not you.  But you name-called HIM.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes I would not say that “old Joe” is respectful. You really are being less than honest. You have no respect for me. I voted for Hillary Clinton. You believe that you have the moral high ground because you voted against a ‘baby killer’. You voted for the man who ‘God ordained’ to be President. Finally, insulting Democrats as if they are ‘demonic’ is wrong. My Mother never voted for a Republican in her life and she is in heaven. The church that I pastor is 100% Democrats and none of them are demonized. My Bishop is a Democrat and he is not demonized, he is a man of God. So, anyone who want s to say that Democrats are demons, I will respond in kind. While you all are at it, you all really need to reject Medicare and Social Security which we have compliments of those people who you all call demons, the Democratic Party.
Jan Dixon Sykes Joseph, let’s assume the worst.  That “old Joe” is name calling.  So why did you stoop to do the same?  You are a pastor.  You don’t get to name call just because someone else tempts you to do it.  Again, nor was calling a PARTY demonic calling any PERSON demonic.   ………….. As for me, I am part of the unwashed masses, holding no position in the church at all.  And yes, as much as I resent Uncle Sam stealing my money from me all my life against my will, I will now take it back.  Unfortunately, if I die soon, Uncle Sam will keep it, and I will never get it back.  Besides, I just found out I was lied to about Medicare.  It only covers catastrophic problems, not things like annual check ups. …………… And you are mistaken about my political beliefs anyway.  I am socially liberal.  I’m even okay with abortion the first trimester since not sure the baby has consciousness yet.  But we DO know it does at 13 weeks because at 13 weeks it is sucking its thumb.
Joseph Kidwell He called them “demon-crats”. He was insulting my mother, and many of my friends as well as the people I pastor. I am an Independent, but I will not stand by and allow people I love to be compared to demons.
Joseph Kidwell My wife is on Medicare and it covers doctor’s visits.
Joseph Kidwell I believe that life begins at conception and am pro-life from the womb to the tomb.
Jan Dixon Sykes Well, not for preventive testings.  Just got paperwork saying they were now deducting for additional insurance for “Plan B.”  Had to undo it.  ……..  Just send me the money they took, and we’re square.  No, I don’t want UncleSamCare.  ……………. If you really think Jerome called your mother a demon, then scold him for it.  You don’t then call him a name in response.  That is repaying evil with evil.
Joseph Kidwell He made his feelings known about Democrats. He has a right to believe as he does, even though he is wrong. I made my feelings known about Trump supporters.
Jerome Herrick Weymouth Joseph Kidwell well oh joe do you believe the word of fake news like cnn and msmbc?!?!?!?
Joseph Kidwell Jerome Herrick Weymouth do you believe the fake news on Fox, Newsmax and Breitbart oh Jerome.
Jerome Herrick Weymouth Nobody is picking on your mom and calling her names…so the party that was once center has gone far left…like a million miles…and the Republicans have gone to the center. So when the donkey party embraces policies that are so anti-biblical. I won’t support them And I am an independent! And a conservative!!!
Joseph Kidwell Jerome Herrick Weymouth The Republicans are not in the center. They are far-right.
Jerome Herrick Weymouth Time for homework…look at your party’s position back in the 1960’s a party in the center…study your party of today way far left. Open your eyes…and please I heard the rhetoric of the demeanacrats  it is so full of lies!!!
Joseph Kidwell Jerome Herrick Weymouth First, I am an Independent. Secondly, the Democrats are very diverse. You have Joe Manchin and you have Bernie Sanders. All of the sane GOP’ers are leaving Congress.
Jan Dixon Sykes Oh, you made your feelings known about Trump SUPPORTERS, Joseph?  Not about Trump, but his SUPPORTERS?  That would be me.  An individual.  And I’m a “Tard.”  You do know I didn’t create my brain.  My Creator did.  You really think he likes his “workmanship” insulted by being called a “Tard”?
Jerome Herrick Weymouth Democrats were attacking the Trumps rallys with a lot of violence and many people were bloodied and beaten. And wonder girl did not call theses thugs off…are you proud of your party for this???
Joseph Kidwell Jerome Herrick Weymouth First, that’s a load of crap. Trump’s thugs beat protesters. Secondly, I’m not a Democrat. However, I will vote Democratic in the fall.
Jerome Herrick Weymouth Hey your response to the thugs that beat up Trump supporters is a lie!?! It was your people of the demeanatric party. Hired by wonderboy George Soros! And I wont vote for demeanacritics either!!!
Jerome Herrick Weymouth Furthermore when your people attack they come off with absurd statements and lies. I yet to see a calm intelligent, answer from the demenacrats period.
Jan Dixon Sykes You may want to go back and watch the James O’Keefe videos of the Democrats explaing how they hire troublemakers to provoke violence at Trump rallies, Joseph.
Joseph Kidwell More far-right conspiracy theories. Smh……
Joseph Kidwell I’m not a Democrat, but the crazy things that you all believe as well as the demonizing of the Democratic Party is enough to make me a Democrat.
Jan Dixon Sykes It used to be called undercover investigations.  When something is on video, it’s sort of hard to deny the footage.  I used to be in video.  I know when there is a cut and when the camera just sits in front of the person talking without cutting.  The people on camera even admitted to coordinating with the campaign, which is illegal.  BOTH parties are corrupt.  I’m just as glad to hear Paul Ryan is leaving as I was any establishment democrat.
Douglas Bowers Sr. This should not even be a post! Given the two choices we had it was a no brainer!! Now if we are going to be Biblical  now is the time to PRAY for him!!
Marc Jackson or there should be more posts like this so next time the church could produce a candidate and have our own choice instead of serving the will of sinners eh? Joseph Kidwell Nelson Banuchi
Joe Met The church did not produce a candidate.You are just showing how immature you are and a liberal one at that.
Marc Jackson Actually several churches produced several candidates each of them much more conservative than this one Can you please  speak to the issue without attacking the person Joe Met
Joseph Kidwell It was my post on my page and the support of professing Christians for this immoral man who bragged about committing sexual assault is symptomatic of a backslidden church. When character no longer matters to the Church, the Church is in serious need of revival.
Joe Met Troy Day  And Troy,  you slander the President of the United States?   Attack and assassinate  his character based on hearsay.
Joseph Kidwell Joe Met, the far right disrespected President Obama and his family from the beginning. They never stopped with the racist insults, calling his family “gorillas” and “monkeys”. They spread a racist lie about his birthplace when the fact is, he was born in the USA, (Hawaii IS a state). It’s not hearsay about Trump. Women were paid off to keep quiet. He was caught on tape bragging about committing sexual assault. My name is Joseph Kidwell and I approve this post.
Douglas Bowers Sr. True what you have written well partly how about finishing the rest of the story about his leadership decision! Second thought never mind in truth we all know!
Douglas Bowers Sr. Sorry that wasn’t theological but most of this posting isn’t either. I will now withdraw from this discussion!
Joe Met Kidwell,  so being the good cx you and Troy are..thou shalt slander and act out what we hate.
Joseph Kidwell Joe Met🤔🤔
Marc Jackson Joe Met you strike me as quote the liberal here
Marc Jackson Byron Benefield HOW is this an anti-Trump agenda when promoting prayer for Trump’s salvation and success as president; Biblical standard accountability and the prophetic voice of the church in the State of the Nation?Should we the church be silently taken back and sit quietly? Should we not pray for the will of God for the nation? Pls point where the name of Trump was mentioned in OP to make you jump into conclusion ?
Byron Benefield All of things in this post is what Trump is accused of.. there nothing promoting prayer here..  it’s a sarcastic statement meant to take a jab at Evangelicals who support Trump
Marc Jackson Clinton was accused of the same thing. Drop the bias and tell usIF this has nothing to do with Pentecostal theology How come Pentecostal believers voted FOR 🙂
Byron Benefield Troy Day … Was there a better candidate running that stood a chance that were promising to be for conservative causes?  NO…   Had the Pentecostals not voted because of his past actions then we would have Hillary…… So that’s what you want??   Voting for him doesn’t mean we condone his actions it means we have vote to ensure a better tomorrow….  That’s wisdom
Jeanette Elizondo I do not agree with the sins of the Presidents past & we all have sinned, so lets Pray for our President support him. I believe He is doing more to make AMERICA GREAT AGAIN than any President in the 30 years. I voted for him & I am a Christian & I will vote for him again if he runs in 2020 . Believe it or not I believe Because of the prayers of the Christians I believe GOD PUT HIM WHERE HE IS !!! GOD TOLD HOSEA To MARRY A PROSITUTE
Joseph Kidwell I wonder how many of the Trump supporters in this thread, prayed for President Obama? I wonder how many Trump supporters in this thread will at least acknowledge that President Obama was an example as a husband and a father, even if yo disagreed with him on many issues?#ImWaiting
Jeanette Elizondo I PRAYED FOR OUR PRESIDENT OBAMA EVEN THOUGH I DID NOT EVER VOTE FOR OBAMA HE WAS IN MY PRAYERS DAILY !!! !!  Can’t think of anything I agreed with him on that was why I did not vote for him !! LOL
Joseph Kidwell Jeanette Elizondo Can you admit that he is an example of a father and a husband, as far as we know?#ImWaiting
Jan Dixon Sykes I thought Obama was a good dad.  No, he was not a good husband.  Larry Sinclair said he had sex with him.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes LOL!!!!!!! But you refuse to believe the charges against Trump?! Where did you hear that charge against Obama? The National Enq.?
Jan Dixon Sykes I believe Trump was a womanizer.  Who said I didn’t?  ………. As for Larry Sinclair, I watched him on YouTube tell about how he was in Chicago and had oral sex and cocaine with Obama.  He used his own name, own voice, own face.
Joseph Kidwell YouTube? Are you serious?
Jan Dixon Sykes Video of a person standing at a podium giving a speech is a person standing at a podium giving a speech regardless of where it is posted.
Joseph Kidwell You really are serious? You are using YouTube as a serious reference?
Jan Dixon Sykes Have you never been on YouTube?  It has videos.  Trump’s speeches.  Acts 6:4 Conferences.  Or 4:6, or whatever that big church conference is in Texarkana or wherever.  Jimmy Swaggart sermons.  You can watch things full length.
Joseph Kidwell Of course I have. I’m on YouTube. However, this story did not even make Fox News and they would have loved a story like this as much as they hated President Obama. I put it in the same category as the story that the Clinton’s have killed over 30 people.#FakeNews
Jan Dixon Sykes The entire mainstream media is owned by globalists.  Including Fox.  Obama was a globalist.  So he was protected just like Hillary, Bush, and everyone who came out of the Trilateral Commission, including Carter.  …………. Typically, we get two globalist running against each other (Kerry vs GW) so it doesn’t matter who wins.  This time Trump didn’t belong to the club and the media is doing its best to destroy him.  Including Fox.  It pretends to be right winged so we fight over left/right issues instead of over one-world govt vs multi governments.  …………… Just as the DNC was rigged for Hillary, the RNC was rigged for Jeb to get all the FL votes up front and set him on his way.  Oops.  Trump got them.  No worries.  Neil Bush started fund raising for Cruz who got his training wheels under GW.  Oops.  Trump flipped the blue rust belt to red.  Who knew?
Joseph Kidwell More far-right conspiracy theories….
Jan Dixon Sykes No, Joseph.  If it were right winged, I would have liked Cruz.  He’s right winged.  Didn’t like Rubio, or McCain, or Jeb, or Carly, or anybody on the right I thought was a globalist. ………  And how is it a “theory” if the Bible itself says there will be an antiChrist running the world with a microchip in the hand or forehead to buy or sell?
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes Sorry, I’m Pre-Trib.
Jan Dixon Sykes Doesn’t matter.  Don’t you want to hold the forces back long enough for the gospel to reach more people to go up in the rapture?  Or you want all those Muslims and atheists left behind?
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes God is in control.
Jan Dixon Sykes Yep, and he got Trump elected.  Celebrate.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes just as long as you celebrate with me when Congress turns blue in the fall.😉
Jan Dixon Sykes I don’t care about red or blue.  Have you not figured that out by now?
Joseph Kidwell Sure you do. You are just an extremely right-wing individual.
Jan Dixon Sykes Oh really?  YOU care more about abortions and gay marriages than I do.  Plus, I already said I was fine with government programs; they just need to be where the constitution placed them—with the respective states.  Maybe your state can make sure everyone is paid a living wage—and everyone from my state would of course want to copy it once they see how well it works.
Byron Benefield Just saying it should not be a post for this group…   Or change the name of it to “Theology and other stuff I want talk about”
Marc Jackson Political theology is very much part of Pentecostal theology Why do you want to drop it? Should the church not be involved in the life of the nation and bring sinners to God?
Byron Benefield Troy Day maybe you should put some scripture with it and some biblical examples or reference a church doctine that it is relevant to…..
Joseph Kidwell Byron Benefield, If this had been a post quoting some Scripture and saying that Trump was handpicked by God to be President, you would have had no problem with it.😉
Marc Jackson Lets all be a bit more objective here Should the church support or oppose sinners?
Byron Benefield That’s a stupid statement and not relevant….  We elected him to do a job…  I work at a large company… There’s no job qualification for me to have no sin….  Most bosses I have had were not born again Christians… Many had bad language and some have a less than perfect moral lifestyle….  But that had no bearing on there job performance…. They were very good at there job and treated their employees well…I will judge him on whether he performs what he said he would
Joseph Kidwell Byron Benefield, that’s not what you right wing Christians were saying about Obama! You all were promoting Romney (a Mormon) as ‘God’s candidate’ and Obama as an ‘anti-christ’.
Byron Benefield Obama’s policies and agenda were Antichrist and anti-American….  Romney’s were not…. He wasn’t asking anyone to join his church
Joseph Kidwell His policies brought us back from the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression, a crisis mind you, brought about by horrible the economic policies of the Republicans, just as the Great Depression was. The ACA saved lives. I’ve heard testimonies from many whose lives were saved because they had access to health care. That seems pretty pro-life to me. His second term was not nearly as good and I disagreed with him both on my fb page and from the pulpit on his policy toward Israel as well as his support for the LGBT agenda. Romney said that 47% of Americans don’t pay taxes implying that nearly half of all Americans are free loading. First, he was wrong on his numbers and secondly, as the income disparity continues to grow between the top 3% and the rest of us, more and more Americans will join the working poor.
John-Mark Neal Hales The craziest part is with that resume, he was STILL the best nominee
Marc Jackson you mean he was the lesser evil nominee
Joseph Kidwell Any of the other Republicans running would have been better than Trump.
Melvin Shomo The United States is in the state that it is in because Christian’s felt that they could stay at home and let God choose who ever he will.They set back and watched the devil’s crowd choose the leaders for their Nation..The blind leading the blind. Trump could very well be the last man standing that even has a support for the Christian.Because once the the Progressives regain control, they will usher in the Islamic immigrants in to change this nation for Socialism.The Muslim is taught that in order for them to change a Nation for their Islamic cause, they have to take part politically.The Democrats know this, because Obama opened their eyes… And this is why they want open borders to change the United States into a Socialist Nation.
Joseph Kidwell Melvin Shomo, are you going to turn down Social Security and Medicare, because that’s socialism.
Melvin Shomo Do you even vote? And if so for whom?
Joseph Kidwell I never fail to vote and actually voted 50% Republican and 50% Democrat in the last election
Melvin Shomo It appears that your photo has a Priest in it that would explain it. After the healthcare bill I could never vote for a Democrat again.So I guess they will need the help of immigrants to help push the Democratic cause. Plus we don’t have hardly any Democrats in office in our district. The last couple of elections gave them their walking papers
Joseph Kidwell I am an Pentecostal Bishop in an all African-American organization. We wear vestments. If you had any knowledge of Black Pentecostals, you would not have made such an ignorant statement. Oh and yes, the black woman next to me is my wife. Finally, when the Dem’s take Congress back this fall, will all of you Trump supporters be saying that whoever wins the election is God’s choice?
Melvin Shomo Yes and I am sure that you and your people voted for Obama
Melvin Shomo The Lord had given me a dream concerning Obama after the first two months that he was in office. I was telling everyone to give him a chance but the Lord had straightened my thinking out by giving me a dream of the man. Then I knew that his intentions were not good for our Nation
Melvin Shomo
Marc Jackson http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/pentecostal-pastors…/
Joseph Kidwell Troy Day I proudly signed that document.
Joseph Kidwell Melvin Shomo, this is the reason why the far-right wants mass deportation. It is a last ditch attempt to maintain white supremacy. Rather than try to compete for the Latino votes, it’s just easier to deport them, right? However, the illegal immigrant that Trump is married to is ok, because she is the right color.
Jan Dixon Sykes Joseph, how come Trump is not deporting yellow people?  They’re not white.  You come legally, you get to stay.  You come illegally, you get to go, and please take your family with you because intact families are important and your kids are so great they will make Mexico great again.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes he is deporting Asians as well.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes I really appreciate your love for Latinos. You’re feelings are very evident. The courts right now are the only thing that is stopping mass deportation. However, we will elect a new Congress this fall and they will be able to stay.#SiSePuede
Jan Dixon Sykes I married a Puerto Rican.  I think I proved my love for Latinos.
Joseph Kidwell Thomas Jefferson who was a slave owner, had a decades old relationship with Sally Hemmings. That means nothing. Besides, Puerto Ricans are Americans.
Jan Dixon Sykes You said “Latinos.”  Please don’t exclude Puerto Rican’s from misfortune.  They aren’t even a state.  And don’t vote in the general elections.   Although they don’t have to pay personal income taxes, either. …………….. But if my “love” is to be measured based on dating NON American people of color, was the Chinese foreign exchange student good enough?  Or the Arab Libyan good enough?  Or was my second marriage IN BELIZE with a Belizian, Latina maid-of-honor good enough?
Joseph Kidwell Puerto Ricans are American citizens. If they are living in the 50 states, they do vote and pay taxes. They are not second class citizens. They are just as American as we are.
Ken Crews Unbelievable!!!!
Marc Jackson Melvin Shomo how did they stay at home when 71% went and voted ?
Marc Jackson Leon any other or any US president? Carter,  Reagan – Carter did not do that well though. Christian support for US presidents has been a boomerang for the church So in Rome and Byzantium BTW Trump needs lots of Pentecostal prayer but people should note instead of blindly assuming  this post is not about Trump 🙂
Marc Jackson you are still assuming this post was about Trump so here is some of the opposition http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/new-2018-warnings-by…/
Byron Benefield Troy Day so are you saying this post is NOT about Trump at all… I believe it is evident to everyone else that it is.. you other comments bring that out… So just state it plainly…. And remember that lying is a sin to
Scotty Searan My first choice was Dr. Ben Carson, who claimed that he waa a Christian, for whom I voted for in the Primary,  Ted Cruz and Donald Trump comes out of the same cloth, but different pattern.  Why didn’t the Christians get behind Dr. Ben Carson?Was it because some considered 7th Day Adventists a cult?We that are casting stones at President Trump for his sins, is it possible that he has repented of past indiscretions in his life and we nor know it.Are not some of if not all maybe before we got saved guilty of some of the same indiscretions?Could it be some are guilty since being saved?If you are viewing pornography and calling yourself a Christian you are as bad as President Trump if not worse.If you watch R rated movies you are as bad as Trump
Troy Edwards Scotty Searen you brought out the best response so far. Christians complaining about Trump need to ask themselves how much support did they give Ben Carson and if they gave him no support then why? I have strong disagreements with SDA but Carson was the godliest among the candidates. Since Carson did not become the nominee then we only had two choice. My vote was easy – no way would I vote for Clinton.
Scotty Searan Troy Edwards  I was the same way.  But I had many christian Friends that did not even give Carson a shot.  They talked against him from the Beginning.
Joseph Kidwell Leon Bible, you mean the majority of white Christians African=American and Latino Christians voted overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton. I guess they just are not as spiritual as the whites who voted for Trump. Also, 20% of Evangelical whites voted for Clinton.
Melvin Shomo Troy DayIn the past, in the past.But as we can see you must of stayed at home..If it wasn’t for Franklin Graham pushing the issue their wouldn’t of been 71% turn out and the goodytoo shoe Christians would of stayed home. He lit the candle, but as we can see we still have people wanting to put the candle out all in the name of self-righteousness
Marc Jackson What is your point (except personal attacking)?
Joseph Kidwell Franklin Graham justifies Trump’s adultery!
Melvin Shomo Troy speaks for himself here on personal attacking.So tell me do you two experts here, do you even take part in any of the elections, and if so for what party do you prefer to vote for??My county where I live is one of the most conservative county’s in all of Pennsylvania. We are always in the 80% range for the conservative candidate when voting..We have a murder maybe in a two year span, sometimes longer.The neighbors everywhere throw their ✋ hand up and wave at you as you go by.A black person is safe to walk our streets at night. Every other neighbor owns a gun or more.
Joseph Kidwell I have voted in every Presidential election since 1976. I have voted for the Republican 6 times and the Democrat 5 times. That percentage is reflected  in the mid-terms and local elections I suspect.
Marc Jackson Byron Benefield 39 of the leading Pentecostal theologians in the US think this has everything to do with Pentecostal Theology http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/pentecostal-pastors…/
Byron Benefield “Leading” is very misleading….  I have only heard of one of those on the list…..  And are these”really” Pentecostal?
Marc Jackson Byron Benefield so now leading is only the ones you’ve heard of 🙂 Can you please list for us the 39 you’ve heard of?
Byron Benefield Troy Day tell me exactly what they are leading in?
Joseph Kidwell Byron Benefield, I signed of the document. I have a B.A. in Bible from Central Bible College. I am an Executive Bishop of New Life Global Fellowship of Ministers & Churches International.
Byron Benefield Joseph Kidwell.. okay is that supposed to mean something to me?
Joseph Kidwell You asked the question and I answered.
Jacque Polk Hindman Did Kennedy get the Evangelical vote? Clinton? I think cheating Presidents are to be found on both sides. This is a ridiculous post…
Marc Jackson Like Joseph Kidwell said The very definition of a backslidden Church. SIGNS of the times: a church more given to politics than to GOD Nelson Banuchi
Jerome Herrick Weymouth Clinton did his stuff in the White House, and Trump back in 2006. So why you want to Rack Trump and not Rack Bill Clinton whose crime was done while in White House. Quite a difference between President Clinton and businessman Trump.
Marc Jackson as Jacque said Clinton did not get my evangelical vote and trust
Joseph Kidwell I voted for Bush in 1992 and Dole in 1996. Furthermore, I called Clinton out from the pulpit for his immorality and for lying under oath.
Byron Benefield King David did lots of immoral things but ruled and guided God’s people rightly..
Marc Jackson So now Trump is David, Paul/Saul and Cyrus the great all together. So much liberal theology in all this
Joseph Kidwell Marco Rubio is a Christian. Ted Cruz is a Christian. Carley Fiorina is a Christian. Jeb Bush is a Christian. John Kasich is a Christian.
Byron Benefield Joseph Kidwell none of them were our choices after the primaries
Joseph Kidwell You asked who was a Christian who was on the ballot. You did not specify primary or general. I voted for Marco Rubio in the Florida Republican Primary.
Byron Benefield I didn’t like Trump. I liked Ben Carson..  but Hillary turns my stomach..  everything in me cringes..  I’ve encountered many demonized people, wicked people, witches, etc.. I sense a greater evil with Hillary than that
Joseph Kidwell Byron Benefield which is exactly how I feel about Trump.
Melvin Shomo Troy Day since you claim be well educated then why don’t you explain why the Lord had chosen certain leaders to become Kings that did not acknowledge him as Lord under the Old Covenant.Under the Old Covenant they didn’t have voting booths set up letting the people choose their King.God did the choosing for them.But we are under the New Covenant to either take action like the Lord had done by choosing a leader to rule our NationsAre you not critical against God himself for not choosing righteous men to rule, and reign back then?
Marc Jackson Would this be something only the Lord can explain to you personally ?
Anita Crase Hays If they have repented they have been forgiven what they’ve done in their past and before they have been elected  is none of no ones business!! Get over it He’s was the best candidate for office!
Marc Jackson you probably mean the better of two evils – the better candidates were honest enough not to full the Church
Anita Crase Hays I believe he was ordained of God to be elected President! I shutter to think what shape this country would be in if Hillary would have gotten elected😱 we all know or should if were Christians that things will eventually get worse The coming of the Lord is nigh and the Bible will be and is being fulfilled right before our eyes!!
Joseph Kidwell If you are going to maintain that whoever is elected President then that means that when Obama was elected, that that it was ordained by God and all of the Christians who did not vote for him were not sensitive to the voice of God, Anita Crase Hays.
Douglas Bowers Sr. I have to say David’s wrongs were forgiven as he repented and his rule was a righteous one from that point on. Let’s face it we are all flawed! I sure wish we could get back to sharing ideas on how to advance the message of Christ and the winning of lost souls! President Trump is our president and I pray for him and believe in what he is trying to accomplish for a better America, even embracing men and women of God laying hands on him in prayer! Please tell me what good goes it do to dishonor him this way. Lift him up before our Heavenly Father! Of much more concern to be is the lack of Revival in our nation and our churches. Guess I have said enough but it comes from my heart. I pray for my colleagues in ministry! Time is so short we must share  this love of Christ!!
Jacque Polk Hindman 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻STILL trying to understand the purpose of this post on this particular page.
Marc Jackson The first thing to understand is this is a community group not a page. Everything else aligns with that
Jacque Polk Hindman I guess I don’t see where GOP or DEM bashing aligns with Pentecostal Theology… FB recognizes this as a group I belong to, so I was doing the same.
Marc Jackson Copying the reasons just for you for about the 4-5th time71% of American evangelicals was said to involve a minimal of half of all Pentecostals in the country It was Pentecostal theologians that promoted prayer for TrumpIt was Pentecostal theologians who prophesied for TrumpIt was Pentecostal theologians who said Trump got saved and It was Pentecostal theologians who voted for TrumpThis is HOW this subject became prominent in Pentecostal Theology The recent SPS meeting presented a minimum of dozen research papers on the Trumpian election and Trumpian era from the point of political theology, church and state, social justice, kingdom now and on and on Pentecostal topics (not to mention social and legal issues that have been objectively addressed in regard of Pentecostal church theology and praxis since the 2016 elections)With all this in mind, why do you feel the subject has nothing to do with Pentecostal theology in 21st century America?
Melvin Shomo God had the Prophet anoint Hazael to be King over Syria, which means that Hazael had God’s approval upon him. And the LORD said unto him, Go, return on thy way to the wilderness of Damascus: and when thou comest, anoint Hazael to be king over Syria: 1 Kings 19:15  So Hazael went to meet him, and took a present with him, even of every good thing of Damascus, forty camels’ burden, and came and stood before him, and said, Thy son Benhadad king of Syria hath sent me to thee, saying, Shall I recover of this disease?  And Elisha said unto him, Go, say unto him, Thou mayest certainly recover: howbeit the LORD hath shewed me that he shall surely die. And he settled his countenance stedfastly, until he was ashamed: and the man of God wept. And Hazael said, Why weepeth my lord? And he answered, Because I know the evil that thou wilt do unto the children of Israel: their strong holds wilt thou set on fire, and their young men wilt thou slay with the sword, and wilt dash their children, and rip up their women with child.And Hazael said, But what, is thy servant a dog, that he should do this great thing? And Elisha answered, The LORD hath shewed me that thou shalt be king over Syria. 2 Kings 8:9-13
John-Mark Neal Hales I don’t think God has to approve or someone to put them in authority. After all, Satan is the ruler of this world for the time being
Melvin Shomo Well it does show that it was in God’s will to anoint Hazael
Marc Jackson There goes your theology Melvin Shomo 🙂
Carolyn Stephens Fisher Have you never heard of repentance and salvation.?
Marc Jackson We have Has Trump?
Carolyn Stephens Fisher Troy Day Touch not my anointed….is Trump worthy of God’s anointing? Not in my eyes….but I know God can and will use those He wants to fulfill His purpose.
Marc Jackson So much liberal theology in what you just said
Jan Dixon Sykes
Marc Jackson Should we expect Trump to go evangelize the nations after 2020 like Paul did? Leon Bible seems like Jan Dixon Sykes thinks it was about Paul not Trump After all Trump never paid no one for sex neither he knows where his lawyer came up with $130K 🙂 So no match there
Marc Jackson Please repeat your questions if you dont mind
Marc Jackson Leon Bible I already answered that and asked you how could you justify Trump? He also flipped on pro-choice not long ago if this is your question https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsOlXidHXRE
Jan Dixon Sykes I didn’t say Trump would serve the same functioned as Paul.  I said he could Transform.  Saul went from MURDERER to missionary.  I’m suggesting Trump can merely go from playboy to praying.  I’ll be glad to modify my meme to make that clear.
Jan Dixon Sykes
Louise Cummings Yes if he isn’t living a Christian life. He can ask to forgive him any time. And be sincere when he prays. Take anything that is unlike God out of his heart and replace it with Salvation. Help him in every decision he makes. Teach me to follow You, in the right way You are leading. He can pray for God to help him in every way. He should do that any way. We all should. Say the Lord’s Prayer day. Anyway. Like Lead is not into temptation but deliver us from Evil. We should pray the whole prayer. One is forgive us our debts , or sins as we forgive those who have done sinned against us. Then lead us not into Temptation but deliver us from evil. For Thine is the Kingdom and the Power and the Glory , forever Amen. Or in one place it says forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. It simply means forgive.
Jan Dixon Sykes I, for one, am not worried Trump is diddling interns in the White House.  His last suspected (consensual with a grown woman) affair was 11 years ago.
Louise Cummings There’s no one I love more than God. But than God He forgives when we ask.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes he will first have to ask God for forgiveness which he said that he had never done.😉
Jan Dixon Sykes He didn’t exactly say that, Joseph.  FIRST, he said he didn’t bring God into it.  He just corrected it.  THEN he said he guessed when he took communion, it was his form of asking forgiveness, because afterward he felt cleansed.  ……….. Sorry he doesn’t speak “evangelical.”  But he doesn’t have to. God understands all languages.
Joseph Kidwell You can make all the excuses that you want for him. We all heard what he said.
Jan Dixon Sykes Including me.  I heard him.  Hence, I know what he said.
Louise Cummings Are you all teaching once saved always saved. It sounds like it in some comments. I’m totally against it. You can and some did go back on God.
Louise Cummings Sometimes I thought I could see a little Calvinist in there and at then. It sounded like you wanted to get to sound doctrine.
Marc Jackson Jan Dixon Sykes as the early Christians who did not accept Paul THIS I would believe when I see it. So far aint seen it yet
Jan Dixon Sykes We saw Trump go to the Western Wall as the first sitting president and insert a piece of paper.  He claims he prayed for wisdom at the Wall.  ……… I have been to that wall.  It has its own potency—as in, the stones will cry out.  I, too, was told to make a request.  I couldn’t even form a request.  The Wall overwhelmed me with, “Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven.”  So okay.  That was my request. …….. I expect the Wall did no less to Trump.  It most likely chose his prayer, too—for wisdom.
Joseph Kidwell Yea  right…..
Jan Dixon Sykes None of your favorite Israel lovin’ presidents ever took the office of the presidency to the disputed territory of the Wall.  They played it safe and went to Masada or somewhere else in Israel not disputed.
Joseph Kidwell That was simply for show and if you can’t see that then you really need to check your Holy Ghost.
Jan Dixon Sykes Quit judging my spiritual state.   We can judge DEEDS, but not each other.  Show or not.  Trump moved the ball forward.  UnlIke any of your choices.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes He has set our country back 50 years.
Jan Dixon Sykes Good.  I didn’t like where it was going.  Let’s get back to manufacturing.  Babies born inside wedlock.  Kids learning the 3-Rs in school instead of about having two mommies.  Respect for men again.  Main Street capitalism. ………  But Trump went FORWARD with Israel.  🙂
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes God does not need Trump to protect israel.
Jan Dixon Sykes No, but sure is nice to be included in the blessing of he who blesses Israel, gets blessed, too.
Joseph Kidwell I agreed with what Trump did in recognizing Jerusalem. However, that has nothing to do with the fulfilling of any Scripture.
Jan Dixon Sykes Didn’t say it did or didn’t.  Said I liked it.  That the “heathen” Trump treated Israel better than the “righteous” Clintons had.
Joseph Kidwell I never said the Clintons were Righteous. However, the Clintons have a strong record of support for Israel.
Jan Dixon Sykes And Trump trumped the Clinton’s record.
Joseph Kidwell 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
Marc Jackson Joseph Kidwell Welcome to Trumperica where the church loves ceasser more then GOD Nelson where was your post?
Nelson Banuchi Troy Day What post?
Jan Dixon Sykes Please quit insulting us.  No one here loves Caesar more than God.
Marc Jackson Nelson Banuchi the one with dare post in the group comment
Nelson Banuchi Troy Day My apologies, but I have no idea which one you’re talking about.
Marc Jackson There was this one post but I forgot it too All this love from church voters here makes me just forget things
Nelson Banuchi Troy Day Love is like that…
Joseph Kidwell No insult Jan, just the truth.#CivilReligion
Jan Dixon Sykes It is not true anyone here loves Trump more than God.  Nobody prays TO Trump.  We pray FOR him.
Joseph Kidwell I’m sure you prayed just as hard for President Obama, right?🤔🤔
Jan Dixon Sykes Not just as hard.  But pray I did.  Obama was my president whether I liked it or not.  Didn’t try to get him impreached.  Just figured his time would finally be up and we could move on.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes I’m sure that you did not pray as hard for him as you do Trump.
Jan Dixon Sykes I ALREADY said I didn’t pray for him AS HARD.  Funny, but I also spent a lot of time defending him from people who were convinced he was a Muslim.  As it turns out, based on his decisions, maybe he was….
Dennis D. Niles Why this post belongs on Pentecostal Theology is way beyond me!
Marc Jackson clearly explained above – do you need it copied? Here it is again 71% of American evangelicals was said to involve a minimal of half of all Pentecostals in the country It was Pentecostal theologians that promoted prayer for TrumpIt was Pentecostal theologians who prophesied for TrumpIt was Pentecostal theologians who said Trump got saved and It was Pentecostal theologians who voted for TrumpThis is HOW this subject became prominent in Pentecostal Theology The recent SPS meeting presented a minimum of dozen research papers on the Trumpian election and Trumpian era from the point of political theology, church and state, social justice, kingdom now and on and on Pentecostal topics (not to mention social and legal issues that have been objectively addressed in regard of Pentecostal church theology and praxis since the 2016 elections)With all this in mind, why do you feel the subject has nothing to do with Pentecostal theology in 21st century America?
Marc Jackson For the ones asking WHY this POST – here it is again 71% of American evangelicals was said to involve a minimal of half of all Pentecostals in the country It was Pentecostal theologians that promoted prayer for TrumpIt was Pentecostal theologians who prophesied for TrumpIt was Pentecostal theologians who said Trump got saved and It was Pentecostal theologians who voted for TrumpThis is HOW this subject became prominent in Pentecostal Theology The recent SPS meeting presented a minimum of dozen research papers on the Trumpian election and Trumpian era from the point of political theology, church and state, social justice, kingdom now and on and on Pentecostal topics (not to mention social and legal issues that have been objectively addressed in regard of Pentecostal church theology and praxis since the 2016 elections)With all this in mind, why do you feel the subject has nothing to do with Pentecostal theology in 21st century America?
Jacque Polk Hindman Understand where you are coming from…. thanks for clarification.
Hannah Mcabe not sure where he stands to be honest.. i’m suspicious of anyone political.. but Israel has Jerusalem as its capital again so woot! <3  Yeshua coming back is soooon <3
Joseph Kidwell God does not need Trump for His word to be fulfilled.
Hannah Mcabe Joseph Kidwell did i say he did? 🤔.. maybe you should re-read it with slightly less anger…i didn’t give Trump, or anyone else credit for anything, only ‘name’ I actually mentioned is Yeshua, take a chill pill
Joseph Kidwell No anger, dear sister. I just stated the facts. The Lord be with you.#Chillin
Marc Jackson Hannah Mcabe about the only person that wrote the honest truth this far except Joseph Kidwell
Troy Edwards Given the choice between the ultra-ungodly Hillary Clinton whose party booed God only a couple of years ago, who pushes abortion and homosexuality, who has engaged in criminal activity without reprisal, and then there is Trump whose worse sin may have been that he slept with a few women but respects Christians, is in debt to no one, and actually loves this country, I think the choice for me was obvious.
Joseph Kidwell The Republicans are the party of mass deportation, tax breaks for the richest Americans, oppressing the poor while creating more working poor with their ‘trickle down’ economic and union busting.
Troy Edwards Joseph Kidwell and you point?
Joseph Kidwell I was just pointing out that there are more issues than the ones you mentioned.
Troy Edwards For a party that is outright anti-Christian as the Dems are, your points fall on deaf ears.
Joseph Kidwell Then all of the African-American Christians who vote Democratic are somehow ‘not spiritual’? Only the white Republican Evangelicals are truly on God’s side? Wow…..!
Troy Edwards Joseph Kidwell i’m Black so don’t play the race thing with me. Anyone who votes for a candidate in a party that boos God, kills babies, promotes pedophilia and homosexuality needs to question their spirituality.
Joseph Kidwell African-Americans voted 90% for Clinton. I pastor a Black Church and am married to a Black woman. I am the only white in an all Black organization. I do not personally know of one black preacher who voted for Trump. We had 80 black churches working on ‘Souls to the Polls’ getting the vote out for Clinton. The reason? Slashing Medicaid and taking healthcare away from poor children is not pro-life. Appointing a racist to be A/G and saying that ” there were good people on both sides” in Charlottesville demonstrates that MAGA should be MAWA, Make America White Again.
Troy Edwards Not sure why you are telling me this or why you think I should care. If your Black Pastor friends want to vote for the party that started the KKK and ensured the planned parenthood clinics would be planted in our neighborhoods for Black genocide then what is that to me? My commitment is to Jesus and not my skin color.
Jan Dixon Sykes I know a black preacher who voted for Trump.  He was my former tenant. ……….. Jesus never taught us to give other people’s money to the poor.  He taught us to give our own. ………….. There weren’t any good people who showed up to preserve a statue?  How do you know? ………  Jeff Sessions is a racist?  Let’s even cede he USED to be.  Seems like Byrd was Hillary’s mentor, and he was once part of the KKK.  And “used to be” was kosher enough for you regarding Hillary and Byrd.
Joseph Kidwell Troy, those Dem’s becamr Republicans  as a result of Johnson signing the Civil Rights Bills of the 60’s. Southern racists like Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms to name a few. You really need a history lesson. Furthermore, I may be white, but I will continue to stand with the congregation that I pastor and the community that we are part of against police brutality toward men of color, the slashing of healthcare for poor children etc.
Joseph Kidwell Trump’s father was KKK.
Jan Dixon Sykes I rest my case.  If Hillary’s mentor can be a former KKKer, so can Trump’s dad. …….. If you care about healthcare for poor children, pay for it yourself and teach your congregation to do the same.  Uncle Sam is not our Savior.  Just ask the vets about the VA.  My ex was a wounded Vietnam vet and refused to darken their doors.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes God is the author of human government and government can do good things. That’s what the far-right fails to understand.
Jan Dixon Sykes I thought The left believed power corrupts and ultimate power corrupts ultimately.  And then turns around and puts more and more power in the hands of a distant Uncle Sam.  I’m fine with govt doing good things.  LOCAL government.  Our 10th amendment allows the states to have all the social programs they want because they will be tailor made for the local demographics and economy.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes There are many things that are beyond the ability of local government to accomplish.
Troy Edwards Jan Dixon Sykes Good responses. People, especially “Christians” who vote left don’t seem to have any spiritual discernment or common sense and I easily lose my patience with them.
Jan Dixon Sykes Joseph, the states can do MANY good social programs.  MA even had RomneyCare.  Schools are paid for at county levels with property taxes. …………….. If you think something is lacking, start a charity to compete with Savation Army or the Red Cross. LBJ’s, one-size-fits-all war on poverty didn’t work.  For the women and children to get welfare, the head of the house had to move out. …………. Now 77% of black kids are born out of wedlock, and Medicaid is there to keep increasing those numbers.  LBJ castrated the black male.  Displaced, he tries to regain his manhood by breeding and carrying guns.  Black men are 6% of the population and 50% of the victims of gun homicides.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes Not only is that wrong, but racist.
Troy Edwards Everything is racist to the leftist. 🙁
Joseph Kidwell To the Clarence Thomas, Tim Scott, Herman Cain Black Republicans, racism no longer exists. My advice to you, Troy Edwards, don’t be in your backyard with a cell phone when the police are around.
Troy Edwards Joseph Kidwell The problem with leftist idiocy is that because you guys holler about racism with EVERYTHING that when there genuine cases of racism then no one takes it serious. I know that the system is unjust for Black people in many cases but the stupidity of most people of color is voting for leftist politicians thinking that it will bring a change. Where does the majority of injustice happen to Blacks? In Leftist districts of course. To quote Malcom X, you are a bunch of CHUMPS!
Jan Dixon Sykes Yes, LBJ was a racist.  He said he would have those n#ggers voting democrat for the next 200 years.  Of course, Clinton’s three-strikes policy incarcerated more blacks than anybody.  After all, according to Hillary, they were “superpredators” who needed to be brought “to heel.”
Joseph Kidwell Troy Edwards, I would not call the deep south “leftist”. Come down to Fort Pierce, Florida and talk like that in the community where I pastor where an unarmed Black man with no criminal record was shot in the back by two cops during a ‘routine traffic stop’. They said that they thought his cell phone was a gun, just like in Sacramento.
Troy Edwards Joseph Kidwell you Have ridiculous logic. Because a Black was unjustly shot by police then it is racist to vote for Trump. Keep up with the loony liberal logic my friend.
Troy Edwards btw, Let me remind you that I am black and that I minister primarily in the Black community but you can keep ignoring that if you wish and think that I will buy your BS.
Joseph Kidwell Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain and Tim Scott are black as well. They have the support of about 10% of people who look like them. I wonder why? But hey, the same people who fought civil rights, try to throw up barriers to keep people of color from voting (cause too many for for Democrats) fight healthcare access for the poor love them.
Troy Edwards You forgot Ben Carson in your list. What you really need to be asking yourself is why are Black liberals in the same bad conditions they have been in after voting 50 years for dems while the black men you listed are highly intelligent and doing well for themselves apart from liberalism. Only a fool keeps doing the same thing for 50 years with no positive results.
Joseph Kidwell I would say that even though there is a long way to go, we have come a long way in 50 years. There still remains, systemic racism which in many ways is even more dangerous because it is not as obvious as segregated public facilities.
Jan Dixon Sykes Joseph, if you are a pastor, why are you reinforcing victimhood?  Doesn’t scripture say we are “more than conquerors”?  That we are ”fearfully and wondefully made”?  That we are a “sweet savor”?  That were we’re created in the image of God?  That we are a “royal priesthood”?  That we can do “all things through Christ”? ………….. So why nurse grievances?  I grew up pre women’s lib.  But I found my verse: There is neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free, male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”  So I went forth and broke glass ceilings.  Uncle Sam was not my Savior.  CHRIST empowered me.  And the (corporate ceiling) waters parted. …………. This verse is true for all or scripture is a liar.
Troy Edwards Blacks have regressed and become worse due to liberal policies and not better. Open your eyes man.
Jan Dixon Sykes Also, if you are a pastor, Joseph, why are you measuring success by the world’s standards?  Scripture clearly says how to measure success.  By FRUIT.   ………. And then it even defines fruit.  Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, Faith, meekness, and temperance.  Those are equally attainable to all.  Those who are last in the world’s kingdom CAN be first in God’s kingdom when we use HIS markers.
Joseph Kidwell Troy Edwards You really have a bad case of self-hate. You will be in my prayers.
Jan Dixon Sykes Troy doesn’t have self-hate.  Stats are stats.  Black out-of- wedlock births are now up to 77%, thanks to Uncle Sam deciding to be daddy, and then husband.  Before LBJ’s Great Society, black out-of-wedlock births were like 25%.
Marc Jackson Troy Edwards the church should have never allowed politics to stick her between 2 bad choices. Hence my point
Marc Jackson This Byron Benefield the liberal choice of the church to back candidates that have nothing to do with GOD
Byron Benefield Troy Day well who did you back?
Marc Jackson I went with Jesus on this one How about you ?
Anita Crase Hays Troy Day if u went with Jesus you must have voted for Trump then.
Byron Benefield I actually voted.. how about you?  Like I stated elsewhere… Jesus wasn’t on the ballot… But I did pray about it before, during, and after election day….
Andrew T. Stube Sure beats voting for an anti jew, and one that does nothing for his own race and gender unemployment numbers.
Joseph Kidwell Hillary Clinton has a strong record of support for Israel. Furthermore, Putin was afraid of her. Those who voted for Trump voted for Putin’s candidate.
Jan Dixon Sykes If Hillary was such a strong supporter of Israel, why didn’t she move the Embassy to Jerusalem when she was Sec of State?  Or why didn’t she persuade her husband during his 8 years?  …………….. Putin afraid of Hillary?  She gave Russia the reset button and stopped the construction of missiles in Eastern Europe, which allowed him to invade Ukraine.  She also allowed Russia to get 20% of our uranium mines.
Jan Dixon Sykes Maybe you didn’t know that Hillary once called Bill’s AR campaign director a “f#cking Jew bastard.”
Joseph Kidwell Check her voting record. Also, over 60% of Jewish Americans voted for Hillary.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes The Jews must not know it either. Over 60% of them voted for Hillary.#FakeNews.
Jan Dixon Sykes Agreed, most of the Jews didn’t know it, either.  But one of her inner circle people reported it in is book.  Too many American Jews are now atheists and no longer tied to Israel.  Tragedy.
Jan Dixon Sykes Hillary voted for the Patriot Act and to invade Iraq.  And she is the one who got NATO to dislodge Qaddafi.  She even bragged, “We came.  We saw.  He died.  Hahahaha.”  She is partly responsible for the chaos in the Mideast.  Tha doesn’t even include that she was shipping guns from Benghazi Libya to Syria to arm ISIS there.
Marc Jackson Jan Dixon Sykes and WHO ordered  Desert Storm? Please do not speak about things you aint got no clue about. My body still aches from 1991 every morning … please
Jan Dixon Sykes Troy, I disdain the Bushes as much as the Clintons.  Two sides of the same coin.  GW said Bill was his brother from another mother.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes God forbid that Republicans and Democrats would actually have mutual respect for each other and try to advance our country together.
Ken Hupp molest 17 women?you talking about all the woman Bill Clinton bought off?
Marc Jackson Probably Trump never paid no women nor he knows where his layer got the money from 🙂 So liberal
Ken Hupp Troy Day Well I was curious,because being a multi millionaire,been around beautiful girls all his life,never heard of one case even.
Marc Jackson Nope. No one has heard of even one case 🙂
Harry Robinson People were voting for a president, not a pastor.
Joseph Kidwell That’s not what the right-wing Christians said when Obama was running. They preferred to vote for a cult member and claimed that the Mormon was God’s candidate!
Harry Robinson Joseph Kidwell And God used the Pagan King Cyrus of Persia to save Israel from the Babylonians. Wow a Pagan Savior for Israel. Funny how God uses anyone he wants. He even used Augustus Caesar as a pawn to make sure Jesus was born in Bethlehem. I love a Radical God. 🙂
Joseph Kidwell Harry Robinson I do too! Just as God used President Obama to bring us back from the brink of economic disaster. Just as God used President Obama as an example of a faithful husband and father. I love a radical God who actually uses Democrats!!!🤗🤗🤗🤗
Bob Pyle You might want to pray and consider deleting this posting since it is not of any good report.
Joseph Kidwell I think that it’s a great post. Only the Trumpsters are offended.
Jan Dixon Sykes I’m a Trumpster and am not offended.  Grateful to be able to make his case.
Ray E Horton Evangelicals voted for what he could do for our country, not his past immorality.  Most of us didn’t and still don’t like his personality, but we like the direction he is going with his accomplishments.  If nothing else, we will end up with a more honest, Constitutional, Conservative judiciary.
Anita Salvini Depends on who they’re running against.
Bob Buckland We didn’t vote for a Savior, already have one!
Jan Dixon Sykes
Joseph Kidwell That was a bad hair day! LOL!
Jan Dixon Sykes
Timothy K. Wiebe And people can make up their own fake news. Nobody, not one single person EVER in all of history, voted for a Presidential candidate based on his ancient consensual sexual history
Joseph Kidwell Many of those sexual interactions were not consensual! He bragged on tape about committing sexual assault.
Timothy K. Wiebe Joseph Kidwell you mean locker room talk like people do every single day and that there’s no evidence of? That non consensual?
Joseph Kidwell When you look at Trump, it’s obvious that he has spent precious little time in locker rooms. The women who have made the accusations against him say that it was sexual assault and without their consent.
Timothy K. Wiebe Joseph Kidwell I suppose that’s why he’s in prison?
Joseph Kidwell How many of the men who have been accused by women are in prison? A young lady was harrassed at her job by her supervisor. He’s not in prison. My daughter has been harrassed many times on jobs and at school, but they are not in prison. Bill Cosby is not in prison. Shall I go on…………
Timothy K. Wiebe Joseph Kidwell I’ve been harassed and propositioned by women. They are not in prison either
Timothy K. Wiebe What people actually care about, as it relates here, is, how is he handling his family and the nation now
Timothy K. Wiebe The leftists media is more concerned with a porn star than syria
Timothy K. Wiebe The president has a CURRENT job to do, but they won’t leave him alone because Hillary lost
Joseph Kidwell Timothy K. Wiebe remember, that Hillary won the popular vote and Trump is a minority President. Secondly, the far-right media is more concerned with power than the well being of our country. They don’t care about the President’s attempts to undermine our democratic institutions. They don’t care about the instability of this Administration. They don’t care about our national debt going through the roof because of the huge tax cut given to the top 3% of the country. They only care about maintaining power. That will end in the fall. The Dem’s have already flipped 39 seats since Trump’s election. The only thing that I am wondering is if those of you who believe that Trump is divinely ordained to be President, will say the same thing when the Dem’s take Congress this fall?
Jan Dixon Sykes So what that Hillary won some extra votes in CA and NYC?  Did the most experienced politician ever not know the race was won by electoral college votes?  That maybe she should have gone to WI?  The way she campaigned alone tells us about her judgment. ……. CLINTON was a minority president.  He got like 42%.  Remember?  Perot ran and cost Bush Sr a re-election. …………… When the Dems flip 1042 seats get back to me.  That’s how many Obama lost.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes They are flipping back.
Jan Dixon Sykes As I said, when it hits 1042, get back to me.
Jan Dixon Sykes I am neither GOP or Democrat.  I am a Libertarian.  I have like ONE senator that votes like I want.
Jan Dixon Sykes not even in my state, either.
Jerome Herrick Weymouth Bob pylevyou a democrat telling us to delete or as a concerned conservative voter.
Jed Foster If we confess God raised Jesus from the dead and gave all authority to him, then we should not speak of politicians as “being raised up by God.” Yes, some govern better than others; but who God has raised up is Jesus. We shouldn’t speak as if we live prior to the resurrection.To endorse political leaders with the language of religious faith and to assert that they are chosen (anointed) by God, is not only very wrong theologically, it is also very dangerous; e.g. Franco, Salazar, Ríos Montt, and worse.The emperor cults in ancient Rome spoke of Caesar as “Son of God.” Modern equivalents temper the rhetoric to “raised up by God.” But it’s all the same propaganda of civil religion.Endorsing a particular candidate as being “chosen” by God is frightening because you will be forced to bend from a kingdom ethic to justify the actions of your “chosen” person, and to stand in opposition to them is seen as being against Christ, even when the opposite is true.
Mitchell Baker Well said
Marc Jackson You’ve read my book Jed http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/caesars-tax-trump-and…/
Joseph Kidwell Jed Foster, you are exactly right.
Melvin Shomo Well Jed Foster I personally did not view Trump as chosen by God and neither did most of us.And like the one person said on here it was a no brainer.It was either Hilary who by the way would of declared war on the conservative Christian, or it was take a chance on Trump hoping for the better. And common sense shows that the right decision was made in place of a fanatical woman that found conservative Christians appalling..
Jan Dixon Sykes Eisenhower was a Republican and had a girlfriend. …….  Jackson married his wife before she was divorced.  His opponents liked calling him a bigamist.  The one “ist” Trump HASN’T been called. 🙂
Melvin Shomo “Shhhh!””It is suppose to be a secret”People are suppose to vote for dignified people like Hillary Clinton.
Marc Jackson Joseph Kidwell There is so much liberal posts here I am getting worried about the Church. Wouldnt voting for such liberal Christian make one a liberal Christian him/her self? It figures…
Richard Hebert Jr. and add 1.5T to the National Debt. So, there’s that
Marc Jackson Richard If you dont tell about the debt no one will not tell about the tax reform 🙂 and who will have to pay for it at the end
Richard Hebert Jr. We all pay.  Just is.
Marc Jackson and our children after us
Marc Jackson Anita Crase Hays Jesus did not vote for Trump. Trust me on this one!
Jan Dixon Sykes Jesus may not have voted for Trump, but he “told” me to.  I put out a fleece between Cruz and Trump clear before the Iowa primary and the fleece came back Trump.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes Holy Ghost led people don’t need “fleeces.” Personally, I voted against blatant racism, mass deportation, families being split up (I’m pro-family), healthcare being taken away from people (I’m pro-life, not just anti-abortion, and having a profane President who mocks disabled people, war heroes (John McCain), drops f-bombs in his speeches, urges supporters to “beat up protesters”.
Scotty Searan Joseph Kidwell Thanks for standing up and voting as you did.Our society is a lawless society and a lot of our churches are the same way when it comes to doctrine.
Joseph Kidwell Scotty Searan We have had differences in opinion in the past, but I have never questioned your sincere love for the Lord. God bless you.
Scotty Searan Thank you I am humbled.  Let’s keep on the right road home.  Maybe the Good shepherd will keep all of us in liner.
Joseph Kidwell Scotty Searan Amen.
Jeff Davis Joseph Kidwell so, you basically voted for abortion, corruption, church bondage and anarchy!
Joseph Kidwell Jeff Davis and you voted for financial irresponsibility, stripping healthcare form poor children, taking healthcare away from people, racism, white supremacy, sucking up to Putin, emotional instability  and sheer incompetence.
Scotty Searan Jeff Davis  How many time must we go around the wall with the same old argumentThey were both bad choices.There was actually one that stood out above the rest, but the Christians didn’t want him, even though he said he was a Christian.The two we voted on were just as evil as the others, when the skeleton were revealed, actually Trump was pro-choice at one timeWe have even had Mike Huckabee, who was a Baptist Minister in times past but we didn’t want himWhen offered a choice, the Christians wouldn’t ban for someone that professed to be a Christian. When will we wake up.As far as I concerned, by what the do over what they professed, there never has been  a Christian Candidate for The President of the Ended States in my lifetime in the general election in November.Offer a solution.
Jan Dixon Sykes Well, Joseph, since I’m not Holy Ghost led enough for your blood, I put out a fleece and followed it accordingly.  Worked for Gideon.  Worked for me.  Am VERY happy with Trump.  And afterward found out a bunch of stuff I didn’t like about Cruz anyway.  How he treated Carson in Iowa.  How he was on video saying he added an amendment to Rubio’s immigration reform bill to save it, and then during the election said it was a poison pill to kill it.  How he was no “TX cowboy goes to Washington,“ but one more “Harvard graduate lawyer who had already been to Washington.“  Was funded by Goldman Sachs.  Etc.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes Gidean was pre-Pentecost.
Jan Dixon Sykes ”Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever.” ……… How God leads me is between him and me.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes True that.
Timothy K. Wiebe Jan Dixon Sykes He told me to as well
Joseph Kidwell Timothy K. Wiebe, folk who are led by the Holy Ghost don’t use fleeces. Jesus said that “…when the Spirit comes, He will lead you into all truth.”
Jan Dixon Sykes Don’t limit HOW the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth.  If I listed all the ways the Holy Spirit prompted me and my husband to get together, the prompts probably wouldn’t be righteous enough for you, either.  The Good Shepherd  fortunately comes to where we are to meet us, not forces us to jump through hoops to get to us.  I mean, he came clear down to be born in a grotto with animals to redeem me.
Marc Jackson Nelson Banuchi Joseph Kidwell sure appreciate all “supporters” showing so much of the love of God in this post I tell you it’s just wonderful. Who needs a wall when the Church has been already split by one? It’s a fantastic great big wall. No one else builds walls like that Anyone wanna make the Church great again?
Nelson Banuchi Does criticism of a U.S. President necessarily demonstrate a lack of love between believers and a wall being erected between believers or can there be a separation between our politics and church relations?
Jan Dixon Sykes According to scripture, we are headed for a one world govt with an antiChrist, and a singular currency.  Would Christians not want to stave this inevitability off as long as possible so more people could first come to Christ?  …………….  THAT is why many of us voted for Trump.  He was not part of the open borders global agenda of so many others—including Jeb and his two protégées, Rubio and Cruz.  You do know Neil Bush headed up financing Cruz’s campaign after Jeb dropped out?  And Bush Sr actually voted for Hillary?  …………….  Hillary told a Brazilan bank her dream was a “hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders.”  In other words, a Western EU, surrendering our sovereignty and currency like the European countries did. …………….. Trump has been delivering on his promises of national sovereignty, too.  Got us out of TPP, the Paris Accord, and shamed NATO into paying more of their fair share.  Reduced how much we are financing the UN, too.  Also lowered the tax rate so more companies can afford to stay here and bring offshore money back to stimulate our economy.  And is deregulating businesses, so they can expand.
Marc Jackson Well said Jan Dixon Sykes Who is the man of sin?
Jerome Herrick Weymouth Hillary!
Lindon Frost Still could keep up with the History of the Democrat/Socialist Party.   ….the pit calling the Kettle black.     Kennedy,  Clinton, etc…..  Pro Trump/USA…… There is such a thing called Forgiveness if one sincerely ask……
Richard Hebert Jr.
Daniel J Hesse Some things only the Lord understands,  we all only speak in part.
Melvin Shomo It looks like it’s time for me to leave this group I am not use to fake Pentecostals
Joseph Kidwell Melvin Shomo, what Pentecostal statement of faith says that one must be a Republican to be a Pentecostal? Where does it say anywhere that one must be a Trump supporter to be a Pentecostal?
Jeff Davis Joseph Kidwell true children of God go with the candidate that most follows God’s Word today, regardless of past failures. That was Trump.
Joseph Kidwell Jeff Davis That is you’re opinion. In good conscience there is no way that I could vote for that evil, wicked, ungodly, racist, morally degenerate, emotionally unstable, financially irresponsible, draft dodger for President and I have the Holy Ghost as well as you. At the end of the day, we all have to “work out our own salvation with fear and trembling”. My conscience is clear and I am confident that I voted for the best of two horrible choices. The Lord be with you.
Jeff Davis Joseph Kidwell God does love us all but I do believe He watches on. Either way, God’s will was done!
Joseph Kidwell Jeff Davis the question is, will you still be saying that when democrats take Congress this fall? Did you say that when President Obama was elected? If you voted against him, according to your reasoning, you voted against God’s will.
Jeff Davis Joseph Kidwell just because you or I vote does not change God’s will. Man, you guys are seriously religious and messed up. God’s will is going to be done regardless of any of us. Obama was needed by the true church to see just how bad it really could get. It was God’s will, though very unpleasant to go through!
Jerome Herrick Weymouth What gets me is dey spirit filled tongue talkers and advocate abortion and anything that is anti-biblical!!!
Jerome Herrick Weymouth Joseph Kidwell  well you vote for anything that’s not in your little box? What about wonder girl? The worst candidate at all!!!
Joseph Kidwell What gets me is people who speak in tongues and then vote for a man who with his tongue disrespects an American hero and his service in Viet Nam (john McCain), with his tongue, mocks a disabled reporter, with his tongue incites followers to violence and with his tongue, uses ‘R’ rated language in front of children.
Jerome Herrick Weymouth Tongue talkers support a policy that is anti-biblical. That why I left the demeanacrat party. And became a Ronald Reagan supporter.
Matthew Freeman No….what’s really sad…is he’s better than the alternative.
Timothy K. Wiebe Way better
Matthew Freeman Agreed
Scotty Searan Troy Day Joseph Kidwell The Church is in a sad situation.  The Government is in a sad situation.This groups knows I am Trump supporter, but I am going to try to be as unbiased as I can be,As I said before Dr. Ben Carson was my first choice in the Primary.But let’s get past all this.  I am no theologian as far as being to college.I do read my Bible quite often and I have a hotline to the MASTER THEOLOGIAN.  I just a plain John Doe.  When someone starts talking Greek or Hebrew all I know to do is go to the Strong’s concordance.Bear in mind I respect other people’s interpretation of the scriptures.I do not believe in Horoscopes or witchcraft.  But my sign is LIBRA and t it stands for Justice.  And one of the attributes is most of them see both sides of the story, but when they make their  minds up.there is no changing them.  So it is with me.Now Troy Day I don’t know who you voted for.  You may have said, but for credibility it would be nice to know, because of how hard you are arguing against  President Trump.  The same  applies to you, Joseph Kidwell It is a credibility issue.If you didn’t vote, just say you didn’t vote..  Be men and stand up.CAN A PERSON BE A CHRISTIAN IN TODAY’S POLITICAL CLIMATE AND SERVE IN A POLITICAL OFFICE?Now if the Christians are gonna get together behind someone for political office, how are they going to do it when they can’t even agree on BIBLICAL DOCTRINE.?The Bible teaches unity, even to the point of believing the same thing, thinking same thing.  Yes those scriptures are in the BIBLE and I will be glad to pull them out in context?Do you know of a Christian that is serving the in Congress, or the Senate.Not one who says they are, but live by what the Bible says?I’ve heard say they are, but when they have voted on laws, they have voted for or against what the BIBLE teaches.Yes I would like to see a Holy Ghost Filled Tongue Talking Born again  Believer. Of Jesus Christ.The People in Alaska said Sarah Palin filled these requirements, but what did we do?  I don’t know if she was, but my Son lived in Alaska at the time and they said they heard her give out a message in tongues.If a person is put into those offices, if they are only saved, they will fail, because they will not have the power to withstand the onslaught Satan.I lived in a little town in Southwest Georgia.  I attended the Church Of God and one of our member decided to run for mayor and yes he won.The man was a godly gentleman.  For the most part quiet, but when he spoke there was wisdom.  I loved the man.  His wife had a retail establishment in the city.  They were Christians and still are.  One night when I was helping him do some remodeling in his shop, he talked with me. Scotty I am in a dilemma what should I do.  We are applying for a grant and it requires lying on paper,  What should I do?  I was no politician.  I was just a lay minster in a small Church of God.  We prayed about 15 minutes, his wife came and join us..  I asked them to get a Bible.  His wife brought a well worn Bible.  we prayed over Gods word asking for his leadership.  I gave him the Bible and I ask him to just open it.He laid it on the counter and it fell open to the latter part of Romans 14, About Happy is the man in what he alloweth.  Whatsoever is not of faith is sin..He closed his Bible and said:  Scotty I am not happy, I have my answer, thanks for praying.  The next day he resigned with applying for the grant.The man that fulfilled the rest of his term was a deacon in another church and also a lay minister.  He  told me they got the grant smoothly without being turned down and I asked him about a certain clause in the application.  He ask me how I knew and I told him I just knew.  He replied WHEN IN ROME DO AS THE ROMANS DO..Paul did say he became all things to all men, but do you think paul laid down his morals?
Nelson Banuchi “The man that fulfilled the rest of his term was a deacon in another church and also a lay minister. He told me they got the grant smoothly without being turned down and I asked him about a certain clause in the application. He ask me how I knew and I told him I just knew. He replied WHEN IN ROME DO AS THE ROMANS DO…”So, he lied?If he lied…One, he sinned.Two, not only did he sin by making a falsehood, he sinned by taking on the attitude and conduct of the world, which the Bible clearly commands we should not emulate.Three, if he lies and follows the world, in what other areas has he lied and followed the world.He places his destiny in jeopardy if persisted in.
Scotty Searan Nelson Banuchi  That is my point, but I was going to see if someone else observed that.  This is the kind of people that keep people from coming to church.
Jeff Davis Under the blood is forgiven!
Nelson Banuchi Not sins that are not repented of nor future sins.
Jeff Davis Nelson Banuchi He has repented and he said as much. He lived a rough life but God is using him just like many like him in the past.
Dianna Orea I thought he said he had nothing to repent of. ????
Joseph Kidwell Dianna Orea you are exactly right. That is what he said and he has never changed.
Jeff Davis Dianna Orea after he repented he did not. Why should he or anyone wallow in their past.
Jeff Davis Truly religious spirits.
Nelson Banuchi Jeff Davis If we’re talking about Trump, yes, he did say he had nothing to repent of, so I don’t see how, if he has not repented, he can be forgiven.Btw, he does not demonstrate repentance.
Joseph Kidwell Jeff Davis He has never claimed to have repented! These are nothing but ‘alternative facts’ made up to justify a vote for an ungodly, wicked man.
Jeff Davis Nelson Banuchi he did say he had made peace with God and does not do those things now. He admitted and turned away from. That is repentance.
Joseph Kidwell Jeff Davis he never said that!
Jeff Davis God bless you folks. Many of the comments are just confirmation that the church is divided and that you DO NOT follow God. Pray for you leaders!
Nelson Banuchi Jeff Davis Please post where it is stated that he repented of sin.Besides, he continues to lie as if it’s okay.  So, how do we know he does not continue in the other sins?  He may not do them now, not because he is repentant, but because it is expedient not too do them.In any case, please show where he’s repented.
Joseph Kidwell Jeff Davis so since some of us don’t agree with you, that means that we don’t follow God? Are you kidding?
Nelson Banuchi Jeff Davis Oh, I guess that means you don’t have evidence of Trump’s being repentant.
Jeff Davis Joseph Kidwell pray for God to lead the leader.
Joseph Kidwell Jeff Davis I’m praying for impeachment.
Jeff Davis Nelson Banuchi and you do not have evidence otherwise. Unless you are God.
Jeff Davis Joseph Kidwell God’s Love is all over you, man!
Joseph Kidwell Jeff Davis you have no evidence because it’s made up.
Scotty Searan Jeff Davis All have sinned, all need to repent, even if he did not do these things.  President Trump needs to repent..  Just asking God to forgive and not changing your ways(repentance) won’t get you to heaven.
Jeff Davis Joseph Kidwell God help so called Christians to focus on souls as much as stupidity!
Joseph Kidwell Jeff Davis the first thing that you have said that I agree with.😉
Dianna Orea Jeff Davis, there are no fruits that meet with repentance. Examine the fruit.
Dianna Orea Jeff Davis, what does co-minister with April Davis mean? Do you consider your wife a pastor? Does she teach and preach in the pulpit?
Dianna Orea Jeff Davis Can you provide the video where he said the words you claim?
Jeff Davis Dianna Orea I rebuke you in the name of Jesus!
Dianna Orea Jeff Davis LOL Rebuke me for asking questions?
Jeff Davis Dianna Orea I rebuke the demonic force that is powering you!
Dianna Orea Show me the scripture where it says you must rebuke me for asking you questions?
Jeff Davis My wife is a mighty woman of God and has ministered all over this globe for Jesus. You may want to try and attack me.
Dianna Orea I love the Lord Jesus Christ and have been faithfully serving Him for 21 years! I assure you there are no demonic forces at work in me. Only His Holy Spirit.
Jeff Davis When the devils show up you know you have hit a nerve. Good night!
Jan Dixon Sykes Trump: “When I drink my little wine (which is about the only wine I ever drink) and eat my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness.  And I do that as often as possible because I feel cleansed.” ……….. If that is not kosher enough for any of you, the thief on the cross merely offered a self-serving, “Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.”  And the thief’s asking of forgiveness passed muster with GOD.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes I’m Pentecostal I do not believe that forgiveness and cleansing from sin come from Holy Communion. The Bible does not teach that. The man needs to get saved.
Jan Dixon Sykes Doesn’t matter what your theology is.  I have been in Presbyterian churches during communion.  There is a liturgy to go with it, where the congregation humbles themselves, needing forgiveness. ………….. You don’t know Trump’s heart.  HE brought up communion in regards to his asking for forgiveness and said he felt cleansed afterwards.  Again, the thief on the cross didn’t quite ask for forgiveness in his statement, either, did he?  Jesus saw his humbled heart, not his inept method to articulate his repentance.
Joseph Kidwell The issue is what does Scripture teach? Trump needs to get saved.
Jan Dixon Sykes You don’t know Trump hasn’t.  I really think at least one of those spiritual advisors had him invite Jesus into his heart.
Joseph Kidwell Those backslidden preachers like Paula White? He needs to respond to the letter sent by holiness preachers calling on him to repent.
Jan Dixon Sykes There are far more preachers around him than just Paula White.  He doesn’t answer to ”holiness” preachers.  Our prayers are not something we wear on our sleeves.  We are to go into a prayer closet to pray, and not be like the Pharisees who make shows on street corners.
Joseph Kidwell So you have a problem with holiness preachers? No wonder you defend Trump.
Scotty Searan Jan Dixon Sykes I speak this is love.You don’t wait toll you take the Lord’s Supper to repent.  Examination, forgiveness and repentance must happen before taking the Lord’s Supper or else you are taking it unworthily.Yes I have refused to take the Lord’s Supper because at the time I had issues.  It can bring an early death if you take it unworthily I Corinthians 11:17-3417 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper.21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come.27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.33 Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another.34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.
Jan Dixon Sykes Scotty, I believe you are sincere, and not trying to be contentious.  I attended a local Presbyterian Church for a couple years just because it was nearby.  They don’t just hand out grape juice and crackers.  There is a responsive reading to go with communion.  Where they recite repentance and requests for forgiveness stanzas.  They are not eating and drinking unto damnation.  They seriously examine themselves.  THEN they partake. …………… My point about the thief on the cross is we get tied into the method of examining our hearts.  Surely we have to run to the altar, lift our hands, fall to our knees, or some other dramatic manifestation.  I grew up in the north with rather stoic parents.  So I’ve always preferred the quietly bowing my head in my pew variation of repentance. …………….. Besides that, Trump answered that way a couple years ago.  I think his spirituality is deepening with this newfound responsibility.  The YOUNG Trump used to brag about whom all he had bedded.  But do you really think this CURRENT Trump will ever diddle interns in the White House like Clinton did?
Scotty Searan Jan Dixon Sykes Thank you for your kind remarks.No I do not think at the present time he diddle the interns as some of the former.we all have skeletons in our closets that we have asked forgiveness for and repented of.  Should they come back to haunt me?  No I sure hope not.But I sewed the seeds and sometime the wild seed will sprout up after living dormant for years.  Satan the accuser of the brethren knows hows to bring them up and yeas the Democrats are accusing the President of past sins and bringing them up.  Is Trump a Christian?  I don’t know I would hope that he is.  That is between him and God.Now just a  little cheerfulness.  I would like to see your quite Stoic self get under the spout where the glory comes out.  This is a group of people who worship God in the classic  Holiness way>God Bless you.https://youtu.be/h4–DmPE8SY
Dianna Orea I got blocked by Jeff Davis. If someone cares to pass this along to him, feel free: Jeff Davis: I am not “attacking” anyone. Just asking questions. I also work faithfully for the Lord in many nations. But I was curious about the Co-minister title on your profile, because I wondered in what capacity she ministers? You seem to be lacking in discernment in more than one area. And it is concerning if you are leading a flock.
Joseph Kidwell You’re question was legitimate. Don’t worry about it. The Lord be with you.
Jan Dixon Sykes Dianna, while Jeff was quite the flame thrower and did not answer the question by citing the video, in this comment you want passed on, you are NOW attacking.   “You seem to be lacking in spiritual discernment” is a personal attack.  You deflected from Trump’s spiritual state (the topic) and made an ad hominem attack by judging JEFF’S spiritual state.  Why throw in the pot shot?  Just keep asking your question.
Joseph Kidwell Dianna Orea, you were absolutely in order and did none of what Jan Dixon Sykes accused you of.
Jan Dixon Sykes “You seem to be lacking in spiritual discernment” is not a personal attack?  …….. Let’s see.  Fill in the blank.  “You are…stupid.”  “You are…an idiot.“  You are…without compassion.”  You are…lacking in spiritual discernment.” ………. ANY “you are” statement is an assessment of the person, not an assessment of the topic.  We can make our points without “you are” statements.
Joseph Kidwell Jan Dixon Sykes, I’m from Indiana. We speak directly.
Jan Dixon Sykes And I’m speaking directly as well, but can do it without name calling because…
Robbie Asbury guess theology went out the door for a while, let me know when the drama is over 🙂
Marc Jackson oh no theology is very much still in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ18exdhR6I
Marc Jackson Joseph Kidwell How funny it is that most of the posters insisting on Pentecostal Theology have not commented on ANY other of the 32 000+ articles in this group except this one,,, #noughsaid
Joseph Kidwell Exactly. I would have loved to hear their thoughts on Eternal Sonship! LOL!
Marc Jackson As long as you dont preach he’s the chosen 1 🙂
Timothy K. Wiebe How come no one ever mentions the fact the Trump is blessed and fortunate to have all these evangelicals supporting his agenda and supporting him? Seems like y’all think he needs spiritual support
Marc Jackson Timothy K. Wiebe it was already and well mentioned on several occasions in the above comments  he got 71% evangelical support and 50% Pentecostal Joseph Kidwell did not see this coming Perhaps the post was prophetic as a referrence ? http://www.foxnews.com/…/feds-seize-documents-from…
Timothy K. Wiebe Muller is a fool and has an agenda to destroy Trump
Marc Jackson Bible good choice for all liberal Christians out there
Timothy K. Wiebe You just exposed him
Timothy K. Wiebe Muller is a good choice? Don’t think so
Marc Jackson Timothy was Muller appointed by Trump?
Timothy K. Wiebe No he wasnt
Timothy K. Wiebe Trump has asked him to stop the witch hunt
Timothy K. Wiebe He refuses
Marc Jackson who does Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein work for? https://www.reuters.com/…/factbox-how-might-trump…
Timothy K. Wiebe Everyone Muller hires is from the obama administration
Timothy K. Wiebe There is no Russia/Trump investigation, just fake news and fake noise to distract
Joseph Kidwell Timothy K. Wiebe Muellar is a Republican. Trump is the fool.
Timothy K. Wiebe Joseph Kidwell Trump is FOR the people, not the republicans
Timothy K. Wiebe Mueller has destroyed his future and his reputation
Timothy K. Wiebe He’s washed up
Timothy K. Wiebe Funny how they invaded Hillary’s house like they did trump’s lawyer
Joseph Kidwell Timothy K. Wiebe Trump is for Trump.
Joseph Kidwell This was not a break in! They had a warrant signed by a judge. Timothy K. Wiebe, it appears that you have no more respect for the rule of law than Trump does. Smh……..
Timothy K. Wiebe Obama was the most arrogant, self serving President in history, who cares nothing about the people. His current desire is to clone 1 million Obamas
Timothy K. Wiebe Joseph Kidwell where was the warrant for Hillary???
Timothy K. Wiebe SMH
Joseph Kidwell Now, you are deflecting. That is typical of the way Trump operates. Hillary is not President.
Timothy K. Wiebe Joseph Kidwell here’s for deflection… WHAT happened to the Russia/Trump collusion??
Timothy K. Wiebe You do know why they raided trumps lawyer right? They were under extreme pressure because they never found any collusion
Timothy K. Wiebe None, nada, nothing, not a single shred of anything
Timothy K. Wiebe Also, investigating a “non crime” does not require a special counsel
Timothy K. Wiebe No, ALL of this is Hillary’s doing. So, yes, Hillary is involved and there’s no deflection
Joseph Kidwell Wrong! This was the Southern District of New York and is more related to corrupt business dealings. Secondly, the so called “with hunt” which has already resulted in several felony convictions is on going. If there was collusion, Muellar (a Republican appointed by a Republican after a Republican had to recuse himself), will find it out.
Timothy K. Wiebe Joseph Kidwell let me know when something is proven against trump as far as collusion
Timothy K. Wiebe Remember it was the Hillary dossier
Timothy K. Wiebe Raiding the lawyers place is all about deflection from trump’s intervention with Syria. Let’s be sure he gets no credit for anything good
Timothy K. Wiebe Let me as a serious question. Why do you personally believe so many evangelicals support Trump?
Joseph Kidwell White Evangelicals, not most Blacks or Latinos.
Joseph Kidwell Timothy K. Wiebe I won’t have to. It will be all over the news.
Timothy K. Wiebe Joseph Kidwell knee you wouldn’t answer
Joseph Kidwell I answered. You just don’t like the answer.
Timothy K. Wiebe Why do YOU think so many voted for him? Simple question
Timothy K. Wiebe You didn’t answer, you obfuscated
Joseph Kidwell I answered. You need to be honest and admit that except for Troy Edwards and precious few others, most Black and Latino Evangelicals regard Trump as a dangerous racist.
Joseph Kidwell Clinton got 90% of the black vote.#Fact
Joseph Kidwell You act like Black folk turned out in droves and voted for Trump. You said,”You need to get out more.” I responded with the facts. I know that Trumpsters have a problem with facts, but facts are facts.
Timothy K. Wiebe Nobody voted for Trump, the nation elected cancelling corruption
Timothy K. Wiebe “Dear Facebook friends. Please pray for our president as he is under attack from enemies foreign, domestic, and spiritual. The world is at-risk of military and economic conflict while influences at home seek to undermine his legitimacy and authority to lead our nation during a very difficult time. Our national security should outweigh partisan politics; however, some only care about personal agendas and rivalries (rage and hate are not American values). No president in history has been hated and undermined more than our President; it is time to let him lead our nation and fulfill his oath of office for the sake of our nation and the free world.”
Joseph Kidwell “Dear Facebook friends. Please pray that justice will be done as no man is above the law. If Trump has committed crimes, he must be held accountable for our God is a just God and He is no respecter of persons.” No President in history has had less regard for democratic norms and the rule of law than Donald Trump. He must be brought to an understanding that he is not the head of a family business. He is the leader of the free world and is subject to the laws of this country.”
Timothy K. Wiebe Lying isn’t helpful
Joseph Kidwell Tell that to Trump.
Timothy K. Wiebe Joseph Kidwell yeah he speaks truth and you can’t take that
Joseph Kidwell Timothy K. Wiebe, he would not know truth if it stared him in the face. Like when he said that Obama was not born in the USA. Last I checked, Hawaii is a state.
Timothy K. Wiebe Joseph Kidwell deflecting?
Timothy K. Wiebe Is there something Trump can be prosecuted on? No
Joseph Kidwell We will see……….
Timothy K. Wiebe Joseph Kidwell Let me as a serious question. Why do you personally believe so many evangelicals support Trump?
Jan Dixon Sykes Joseph, Trump speaks two languages: bumper sticker and hyperbole.  Neither are precise.  …………. But if you are concerned about the PRINCIPLE of lying, then you are even more grieved that Hillary said she had only one email address, one device, had turned over all her work related emails, her lawyers had read each one, and she had no national security emails. …………… You would be pulling your hair out that Obama said if we liked our plan/Doctor/hospital, we could keep them.  That the average savings of Obamacare would be $2,500—and oh, the penalty was NOT a tax. ……….. Then, of course, you would be on tilt that Clinton looked into the camera and said, “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”  And then, worse, he lied under oath. ………… But I understand you voted for Hillary after her email lies, AND her lies to the deceased families about how the video was to blame for Benghazi.  And of course, she would be bringing her lying husband back into the WH with her. ……….  Or do you have a newfound concern over lying, since the election?
Joseph Kidwell Trump is President, not Hillary or Obama.
Jan Dixon Sykes Oh, a newfound concern.  When we all live in the history of now, there can’t be any inconsistencies, huh?
Louise Cummings Joseph Kidwell that didn’t make him born there. His grandmother said he wasn’t. Hr was schooled in that country where Muslim went to school wit two different fathers sending him. I believe he wants to rule the world. I could be wrong. But one isn’t that’s God. He will bring it all out in His timing. Who ever he is.
Joseph Kidwell The birth certificate has been certified. He was born in the USA.#Facts
Timothy K. Wiebe Joseph Kidwell I’ve read all the statements . There’s no real proof and his own grandmother said he was born in Kenya
Jan Dixon Sykes If Obama was born in Hawaii, why doesn’t he unseal his college transcripts and application?  We all know he most likely got into our Ivy League colleges with his mediocre high school grades by filling a “foreign student” quota.  Plus, he had one time written a book with his bio as “born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia” to make himself more exotic.  Of course, that bio line was deleted as soon as he ran for president.  So if there was any misconception about where Obama was born, he himself created the misconception.  ………… Oh, and HILLARY had sent one of her people to Kenya during the 08 election, hoping to get her own dirt. ……… Just like the left raised the question about McCain being born in Panama when he ran—even though both his parents were American, and he was born on an army base.
Jerome Herrick Weymouth And when you arrest Trump. You better arrest  wicked Hillery too.
Timothy K. Wiebe anyone who didn’t vote for trump was, in essence saying, “I don’t care that we have a leftist, corrupt government, and I have no interest in cleaning that up.” Dems and establishment republicans BOTH hate Trump with a passion. Why? Because he’s not on board with corruption. HELLO
Joseph Kidwell Timothy K. Wiebe, no, we were saying that character matters. We were saying that as morally compromised as Hillary is, Trump makes her look like a choir girl in comparison. We were saying that we may disagree with Hillary in many areas, but at least she ain’t crazy. We were saying that we trust her with nuclear weapons over Trump. The way that Trump has governed, erratic, unhinged, won’t control what comes out of his mouth (read James), insults our friends and praises autocrats, even less respect for for the rule of law than Hillary, a tax cut which blows a hole in the deficit (now that’s conservative!), a healthcare proposal which would have taken healthcare away from most of the members of my church, I in good conscience am confident that I made the right choice, although I was not happy with it. It ain’t about left or right. It’s about right and wrong.
Joseph Kidwell Jerome Herrick Weymouth The Scripture teaches individual responsibility. Trump will answer for what he has done criminally, if anything
Timothy K. Wiebe Joseph Kidwell he’s doing a fantastic job. You can’t see it. Ok
Timothy K. Wiebe Lowest black unemployment in history. ISIS going away. Obama care individual mandate… gone. Jobs, and so so so much more
Jerome Herrick Weymouth Joseph Kidwell and the same or worst judgment for wonder girl.
Joseph Kidwell Since Timothy K. Wiebe and Jan Dixon Sykes refuse to accept facts and prefer ‘alternative facts’ I’m done talking with you all. Since you all believe that crazy racist theory that Obama was born in Africa in spite of the mountain of evidence to the contrary, it really is a waste of time talking to you all. I would have more success convincing a Mormon that Joe Smith was a false prophet. Have a nice day.
Timothy K. Wiebe Joseph Kidwell http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/…/draft-complete-list…/
Jerome Herrick Weymouth No arguments about Obama, it’s all about the foolish demeanacrats who think wicket hellerie is a walking saint with no sins at all. Trump got his faults but hellerie the worst.
Louise Cummings Joseph Kidwell it could be real and it could be fake. I’m not the judge.
Jan Dixon Sykes I have no idea where Obama was born.  I am accusing HIM of being the source of the confusion, since he put Kenya in his bio and probably got into college by filling a foreign student quota. …….. But since he is also the one who said, “if you like your plan/Doctor/hospital, you can keep them, and said Obamacare should save the average family $2,500 a year, and said the penalty was NOT a tax—I believe nothing he says. …………… I know what to believe with Trump.  I just dial back his superlatives a few notches, and that’s what happened.  If Trump says he was born in the best, biggest, and most beautiful hospital in NY, I know he was born in NY.  Maybe in a plain and ordinary hospital, but not in one in FL. ………. But with Obama, he could have been born in KS for all I know.
Louise Cummings I know his schooling was I s country that believes inn kings. Over all the nation you are in. The records show it was where they taught Muslim. I. Think he liked Syria pretty good. O heard he sent thousands of our dollars. Over there. They said once it was to pay for his wife’s schooling. Now you can hear everything. But I think it was real he was sending bundles of money over there. Some body besides me will have to tell you why.
Louise Cummings He could have been born here. But he grew up and was schooled there. But I pray for him. I pray for everyone in leadership of our country’s. But especially Israel and America.
Marc Jackson oh Kidwell dont you know grace is above the law 🙂
Joseph Kidwell One must repent to be able to avail one’s self of grace.
Marc Jackson not if one has nothing to ask forgiveness for
Joseph Kidwell That is what Trump thinks…..
Leon Bible Joseph Kidwell Still waiting for your proof that Trump is a racist?
Joseph Kidwell Google it.
Joseph Kidwell Like I said, I will not waste my time debating with you when it does not matter what facts I produce, you will simply introduce ‘alternative facts’ (very Trumpian) which is a new addition to the English language contributed by Kellyanne Conway. Go to my page and scroll down. I deal with this issue often as it directly affects the community and the church where I live and preach.
Joseph Kidwell No sir, the man whom you are defending is the joke. However, it’s not funny.
Michael Ellis Carter Jr. Leon Bible I was a trump supporter but his blatant support of the KKK and other racist groups tend to scream racism. He refused to denounce racial hate groups as racist or bad yet he claimed black lives matter as a bunch of thugs. The entire border issue and deportation laws are in fact racist. We can’t choose to support him blindly. He is racist, xenophobic, and sexist. Oh and before you say something sideways I am a Republican… I completely support my party but disagree with our president on many issues.
Michael Ellis Carter Jr. Leon Bible standby we can pull any cnn or Fox new clip you would like of him saying it or how about his favorite mode communication “Twitter” lol you can’t be serious
Louise Cummings I believe Jesus Loves everyone. So should we. How could you be racist and love God. I do believe Trump is trying to do his best. They keep blocking him.
Marc Jackson Because they love sin and are not willing to give it up and turn from it. When a man isdone with sin he wants holiness. There is nothing else to want. He who does not believe in holinessmust believe in sin. We have found that the objections to holiness are more frequently the outcomeof moral conditions than of mental difficulties. Certainly, the moral condition gives color to the eye.“Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure;but even their mind and conscience is defiled.”
Timothy K. Wiebe This is in response to what?
Marc Jackson the State of the Nation
Louise Cummings I won’t be going anywhere. Explain the meaning. If you have to go to meetings. I won’t be able on body to go I need an explanation.
Scotty Searan Joseph Kidwell There is no President that has not been biased. I want to deal with one issue at a time.  The issue of mass deportation.Did not the immigrants know they were breaking the law coming over the border without proper authorization?
Marc Jackson Yes Trump should deport everyone that ever came to America without proper papers starting with Columbus, his own Austrian grandfather, his wife and so on
Scotty Searan Troy Day  be realists there were no laws  back then as they are today.Everybody is immigrant in this world one way or another we know that creation started again from brown turkey or Mount Ararat come on be realistic the Indians who were here where immigrants but somewhere we have got to decide where were laws symbolize and stop people from crossing their borders in all countries
Marc Jackson There were no laws when he brought his wife here on a special achievement visa program? Come on Scotty …
Scotty Searan Troy Day Yes there was and President Trump did not break the Law.  with Bringing his wife on a special visa.  If he did what law did he beak.  Not you interpretation, name the law.
Brittany Buckner Troy Day, oh my at the comments here.. But I think your asking why or how Trump got Pentecostal believers votes… Well, as one I will speak from my own convictions concerning this election.. I can’t speak for the others.. But I absolutely have always love politics since I was 10.. I’ve never had doubt about my vote until this past election.. I wanted Ben Carson and had dreamed of a Him and Glenn Beck presidential team for years.. I was sick and devastated when The GOP picked Trump over Carson.. I mean sick.. I cried out to God… but came to the conclusion that well the candidates were a reflection of the majority of people in America.. 😔 Almost refused to vote.. Then the thought of open borders and How she allowed our men to be killed at Benghazi and the treasonous acts she has had her hands in and the thought that Hillary might actually end up trying to give child molesters rights to the sexual desires and would allow transgender pychos in the bathroom with me and my baby girl.. It came down to I was terrified Trump would send us to war or Hillary would open borders to allow war into America and more evil into America.. So more or less I didn’t want to vote for Trump, but I absolutely wasn’t gonna let Hillary win at my failure to vote.. I hoped Trump was truthful in his Pro American pro constitutional speeches but had a lot of doubt… He scared me.. I will say this I read through Chronicles last night.. And God judged Kings according to if they would seek out His counsel.. I didn’t expect this when I voted but I am very much happy to hear that Trump is asking and confiding in Godly men.. It thrills my heart that even though he still signed to fund Planned Parenthood he is still confiding in Prayer.. So I’m resolving to Pray for Him.. And thank God that even if that man isn’t Godly he at least respects the Christians enough to fight for our rights to be and to preach and proclaim the Gospel..
Louise Cummings You had two good men picked out. But it was Gods timing. Not only for America. But for Israel and Jerusalem. Because the Bible said if we would bless them. He would bless us. I need to pray for them every day. But sometimes I forget to pray for them. I pray for many things. We need to pray for Israel and Jerusalem. Lord help me to remember to pray for them and bless them. As we also pray for America. And all countries. Also. I want to remember to pray like that every day. Thank the Lord you have good reasoning. The Bible day says God brought judgment on some countries for killing babies and others. Think God for not voting for Hillary Clinton. Not telling what America. If she had gotten it. At least Trump is helping Isrral and Jerusalem. God said he would bless us for that. I just wanted to say , you had a good post.
Brittany Buckner Thank you, just honesty.. But yes you are so right.. Definitely need to pray for Israel and Trumps support of them.. And that while our freedoms are still free that we seek to Spread the Gospel and love of Jesus especially toward one another. We as Christians must remember that Our God Reigns no matter who’s in office.. Jesus is still King!!! Praise the Lord!!
Jan Dixon Sykes Hillary had told a Brazilian bank her dream was a “hemispheric  common market with open trade and open borders.” ………… The last thing I wanted was a Western EU.  I didn’t want an Amero currency to match the Euro.  Another capital off someplace like Panama City to match Brussels.  Or an Amero flag flying higher than the USA flag to match the EU flag.  I, too, voted for sovereignty. ……………. Trump is keeping his word.  He got us out of TPP, a multinational trade deal that had us settling disputes in an INTERNATIONAL tribunal.  He got us out of the Paris Accord, which was a redistribution of our wealth.  He shamed NATO into paying more of its fair share.  He is sending less money to the UN.  He lowered the tax rate on offshore money so it can come back and stimulate OUR economy.  He lowered the tax rates and cut regulations on corporations so more of them can stay here and hire our own people.  That he is moving our embassy to Jerusalem is bonus points.
Marc Jackson Jan the way Trump is going Russia China and Iraq will beat the dollar vs Chinese currency for world oil trade What are we going to do then? Guess you are unaware last time this was the situation Bush father sent us to war. What now? https://seekingalpha.com/…/4161976-petroyuan-shifts…
Jan Dixon Sykes I will cross that bridge if and when I come to it.  It was Nixon who took our dollar off the gold standard and made OPEC use it to purchase their oil, so our dollar is now a “petro dollar.”  If our Dollar quits being the world’s currency, we will be in trouble with our debt because we now pay our interest by printing dollars, which is what Obama started once he had run up the debt too much. ………. The only “cure” for our dollar is paying down our debt.  We’ll see if the new jobs can start paying down our debt or not.
Marc Jackson Jan I believe we are all way pass that bridge and someone has already burnt it The only option for every president’s tight spot sine Nixon has been war Even Obama broke his promise to bring back all boots on ground It is not a question if but a question when and with Russia already in Syria the yapping about chemical weapons is the only way to direct people away from- constant scandals in the White House – FBI investigation now with proofs – not working tax reform affecting futures and SS- markets flapping with no control the unheard of +/-400 pts a day – China enforcing our debt by extra counter tariffs – even more loosing than the previous foreign policy  Tie the knot with war in 2019 aint gonna help re-elect in 2020oh When we cross that river to study war no more
Jan Dixon Sykes Troy, you want the current President to undo the damage of the past several presidents going back to Nixon.  Or before, for that matter.  When they formed the Federal Reserve.  When they formed the Trilateral Commission, the Coucil on Foreign Relations.  When they formed social programs that never belonged at the federal level, including social security, Medicare, and Medicaid. ……….. The UN is worse than worthless.  It is THEIR job to keep countries from invading each other, not ours.  Instead it is working on “sustainable development” like global warming is a negative thing.  It is a POSITIVE thing, unless you liked the ice age. …………… Trump has been in office all of one year.  You’re taking score at the first quarter.  Let’s do it at the end of the fourth quarter and then vote again.
Don Gray New to the group, thanks for the add. Like many others, my preference was not Trump. I posted everything that I could find that shed a negative light on him as President. At first I thought that he was just a plant to give Hillary an easy go at the Presidency. Then I thought that if Pres. Obama was bad and egotistical, then Trump was going to be Obama on steroids. My original choice was Carson then Cruz. I never thought that Trump came close to winning any of the debates. In fact, I thought that he was made to look foolish by Rubio and the other conservative candidates. My friends kept asking me over and over what I thought of Trump and I was not timid in giving them what I thought. Then he was the won the Republican nomination. Well, at first I stated that this was going to be the first election cycle since I was old enough to vote to not vote for the top of the ticket. THEN….my heart towards Trump began to change and the questions started coming, only this time every time that I spoke against a Trump Presidency I felt the conviction of the Lord. So……..I asked Him what He thought and what was His desires. What I was told blew me away. The Holy Spirit began to tell me of not what he was like before his salvation, but what he was to become after his salvation. The Lord by His Spirit told me that Trump was his own man and owed not one favor politically to anyone. He was not politically correct by any stretch of the imagination. He told me that this was indeed His choice. Trump would surround himself with those who hear from God and would heed their advice. The Holy Spirit told me that there is coming a time that all of Trumps wisdom and those who he has brought around himself for advice on matters of finance, would not have any answers for what was to befall our nation. It would be at this time that Trump would privately repent before Him, not only for His sins but for the sins of the nation, primarily abortion and homosexuality. He then would go public and state the same. He will tell this nation that we have sinned against a Holy God and we need to repent. He will say that if we turn our hearts towards God, God will respond and turn His heart back to us.There is more but that is it for now.
Louise Cummings I don’t know about Cruz.
Jan Dixon Sykes Don, can you describe HOW God talks to you a bit?  I asked God who to vote for before the Iowa primary even, and he told me Trump.  But it was through a fleece.  You seem to have a lot more detail.  Mine was just Trump, not Cruz.
Don Gray I just got quite and listened. Sometimes He gives me a vision.
Jan Dixon Sykes Is it like a TV screen vision or is it a “knowing,” like an impression that has no words or visuals?
Don Gray Jan Dixon Sykes both. Some times I have a strong impression, other times it is just a knowing or I actually hear Him in my spirit, and sometimes it is a very vivid picture
Jan Dixon Sykes Totally jealous.  I have to be hit over the head with unlikely events or something.
Scotty Searan Jan Dixon Sykes and Don Gray welcome to both of you to our our group.  I am the weirdo of the group.  I like to think out side the paradigm.   But I know where you are coming from when we feel the unction of the Holy Ghost.  It is hard to explain and I really don’t think we can explain it in men’s wisdom.  Apostle Paul, said you can only compare Spiritual things with Spiritual.Yes Don Gray I did like you about you about Trump.The ,main issue I could not get around with Trump was his scornful and mocking ways .  I could only see him acting the same way a President Obama.  But he wasn’t lying.   That’s all we heard from Hillary constant lying.Yes my first choice was Dr. Ben Carson, but he still has access to President Trump and He could minister to President Trump and Give some good advice.I could go on
Don Gray Scotty Searan , agreed. Our VP. Is also an on fire Christian. I spoke with someone last weekend that meets with him on a regular basis.
Marc Jackson Whose that someone bro Don Lots of people have claimed such meetings in this group http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/pastor-jentezen…/
Don Gray The man is a retired Col. Army. Considered expert on middle east.
Marc Jackson APART from straight forward involvement of Pentecostal theology and praxis in this election especially kingdom-now folk, we are facing a purely political decline of conservative Republican values I admit of being old school ultra right Republican evangelical and perhaps for this very reason I see the loose and allusive morals evangelical voters have aligned with  this term as liberal as it gets in my book Joseph Kidwell Nelson Banuchi the US church is in trouble 1 Peter 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household …
Timothy K. Wiebe I Pastor an extremely conservative and elderly congregation. I’d say 99 percent of them voted for Trump because it was the proper thing to do
Timothy K. Wiebe FYI, not only is our church not in trouble, we are in revival
Marc Jackson Except if you are leading a nationwide revival the state of your church is not reflective at all. I  strongly refrain myself from using the words Trump + proper in the same sentense
Timothy K. Wiebe The point is, most pentecostals disagree with you, and that doesn’t mean that they are backslidden.
Timothy K. Wiebe It means they voted for the candidate who best upheld Godly values.
Jan Dixon Sykes Tim’s small church is reflective of thousands of small churches in America.  I’d say EVERYONE in my home AG church in rural NE voted for Trump.  And they are as upright righteous as you get, supporting missionaries across the planet. ………. How do you think Trump won against all the stuffed voter boxes from the Clinton machine?  I watched a James O’Keefe video before the election where the DNC-hired folks were bragging that this year they were using private cars to go district-to-district to vote instead of buses, because it was less obvious. ……….. I voted to maintain America’s Main Street Capitalism as long as possible, so YOU can keep sending missionaries as long as possible across the planet and converting Muslims to Christians.
Nelson Banuchi Timothy K. Wiebe “we are in revival”Depends on what you mean by “revival.””…they voted for the candidate who best upheld Godly values.”Are you serious?  If held, hypocritically held, at best.I’ll agree that voting for Trump is no suggestion of one’s personal morality, but, to me, those voting for Trump does suggest a somewhat distorted view just what right morality is.In any case, I see Trump’s ascendency as a judgment, not against any particular persons or church, but against the nation as a whole, believers and unbelievers.  Believers must accept their share of moral failure irrespective of whether or not they have participated themselves in it.  At best, the Church has failed to be the moral influence – the salt of the earth – it is called to be.
Timothy K. Wiebe Nelson Banuchi I completely disagree with everything you just said. Obama was the judgment candidate
Nelson Banuchi Timothy K. Wiebe No problem.
Jan Dixon Sykes
Timothy K. Wiebe Nelson Banuchi was Peter a hypocrite? How about Paul?
Timothy K. Wiebe Everyone has a past
Nelson Banuchi Timothy K. Wiebe The problem between Peter and Paul was not a moral issue.To clarify, I’m not so opposed to Trump because of his moral failure respecting his past adulterous affairs (except that it would give occasion for blackmail), but the fact that his lying to the point of delusion could very well have dangerous political consequences to American interests and security.”Everyone has a past”?  Trump still has his past in the present.
Timothy K. Wiebe Nelson Banuchi anyone who didn’t vote for trump was, in essence saying, “I don’t care that we have a leftist, corrupt government, and I have no interest in cleaning that up.” Dems and establishment republicans BOTH hate Trump with a passion. Why? Because he’s not on board with corruption. HELLO
Nelson Banuchi Timothy K. Wiebe You told someone on somewhere in these threads that they were being judgmental.  Now you’re being judgmental of me (and also of a whole group of people with whom I don’t necessarily politically agree).  Is that not hypocrisy?I was not aware that you knew the hearts of those who did not vote for Trump.  Is this you’re “spiritual gift”?In any case, if you want to have a mature conversation, you’ll need to put off with moral judgments of persons whom you know nothing about, especially me.  I find it very hard to have a mature and productive discussion when the only replies provided are unwarranted moral judgments (such comments, which also seem to evidence a failure to further support their position objectively).
Timothy K. Wiebe Nelson Banuchi please quote me when referring to statements I’ve supposedly made. I have not judged you nor anyone else here. I’m saying that Trump is NOT in the group of “the establishment “ and for that the “establishment “ hates him. This is verifiable fact. So, a non vote may have been in ignorance of this fact, but the fact remains
Nelson Banuchi Timothy K. Wiebe No need to quote.  Your comment is right above mine and obvious.  If you can’t figure out how’s your comment is judgmental against a group,  then maybe your powers of discernment are faulty.Ergo, not much else to discuss on my part.
Timothy K. Wiebe Nelson Banuchi read my above comment. Do YOU believe the establishment is for him or against him?
Marc Jackson Timothy K. Wiebe like I said above before my post was distorted again. Current political policy has little or none of our Republican values. I’ll not even aatemt to argue  any Christian values
Joseph Kidwell When Trump was running he said that, “I could stand on 5th Avenue in New York and shoot someone and not lose any support.” When I read the comments in this thread from folk who claim to believe in holiness and claim to have the Holy Ghost, I am amazed that so many can fall in line behind this man. Talk about drinking the Kool Aid! Seriously, this is Jim Jones stuff! People in this thread have defended sexual assault, adultery, profanity and lies. The excuse is that, “he’s better than Hillary.” People in this thread who support Trump when backed into a corner, simply talk about how evil Obama and the the Clinton’s are. It does not matter what Trump does, it is excused and any Christian that dares to object to his despicable, ungodly, lying, emotionally unstable behavior is labled as “not a real Pentecostal” or a “leftist”. I convinced that Trump really could stand on New York’s 5th Avenue and shoot someone and the Trump supporters in this thread would simply ‘blame Hillary or Obama’. God help us! We really need a revival.
Brittany Buckner So because we voted for Trump we must be deprived Christians? So please all the holier than thous please do tell what was the other option?
Timothy K. Wiebe These are extremely self righteous thoughts
Jan Dixon Sykes Joseph, what say you about MLK?  And HE was a minister.
Brittany Buckner Where Christians to sit at home and vote for no one? When all the oppositions has no good intentions for Christians or Israel or our children.. Believing that Our Sovereign God is able to use whom ever He wishes to bring about His will.. that’s part of our faith.. and you can argue all day how evil this man is but he is in fact seeking Godly counsel.. Reading Chronicles when David sinned God gave him 3 bad options of punishment.. David picked the one where he felt he was able to obtain mercy from God… Well Trump was showing mercy towards the church and Israel.. We picked the option where we felt we could obtain the most mercy and grace of God.. All the rest were wanting to shut up Christians.. I mean Obama’s put us on the Terrorist list.. Hillary stated to continue on in his steps. 🤔
Marc Jackson Jan stop with the minutiae already please…Where is my border security wall I voted for?
Timothy K. Wiebe Troy Day it’s being built as we type
Jan Dixon Sykes You guys are the ones talking about how Trump isn’t moral enough to have voted for him.  Not me.  I don’t ask a gun slinger if he ever cheated on his wife.  Don’t even ask my handyman.  ……….. Border wall?  Ask Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell.  Fortunately, we aren’t taking in thousands of more Sharia Law lovin’ ”refugees” like Hillary wanted to.
Jerome Herrick Weymouth Demeancrats get upset if you call them leftist communist socialist party demonic. They say you calling them demons is not right…while there machine gun of lies and insults continue to flow.
Marc Jackson Jerome the main problem addressed here us that liberal republicans and churchmen fall in that same category as every day passes. No republican values No Christian values. We’ve known long the church is in trouble but when did the State of the Republic became so liberal to agree with the first con artist tossing them a life line?
Troy Edwards Clinton tossed a death line – the death of more innocent unborn children, the death of morality and biblical marriage, the death of churches as her policies would have destroyed them.
Timothy K. Wiebe anyone who didn’t vote for trump was, in essence saying, “I don’t care that we have a leftist, corrupt government, and I have no interest in cleaning that up.” Dems and establishment republicans BOTH hate Trump with a passion. Why? Because he’s not on board with corruption. HELLO
Jerome Herrick Weymouth Yes all are responsible for their sins. And answer God we will.
Joseph Kidwell It’s been a good debate, but I’ve gotten weary trying to have a dialogue with folks who have ‘drank the Kool-Aid’. So, to all of my Trumptard friends, peace.😉😉😉😉😉
Timothy K. Wiebe Facts are facts my friend
Jan Dixon Sykes Even if you’re joking, saying we “drank the Kool Aid“ and calling us “Trumptards” is a nasty joke.
Troy Edwards It is liberals who have drunk the kook aid. You who claim to be pastors have aligned yourselves with people who openly hate God, boo him at their conferences and rejected church donations. The dems have become your real God’s. Their policies are your Bible-your word of the gods. You do their will.
Scotty Searan So that is like calling us us DEPLORABLES  because we did didn’t vote for Hillary..Joseph Kidwell  and any others, instead of name calling, which I believe has shrunk to level of Hillary and President Trump.  I do not believe that is right to call your Christian Brothers and Sisters such things.I don’t do it.  I believe it is a sin.  If we can not discuss without name calling, then you should not discuss on a subject that creates a subject that you become so wrathful.Joseph Kidwell I will be glad to talk with issue for issue, not as we interpret, but as the Bible says and the laws that are already on the books in out country.  No hear say, just facts
Joseph Kidwell Scotty Searan First, I would be glad to one on one on Messenger. Secondly, I really got tired of one Party being demonized and if you check the thread, I’ve been called several names. ‘Trumptard’ is pretty mild and it is an appropriate way to describe people who will follow a man who said that he could “shoot someone on Fifth Avenue in New York and not lose any voters”. Talk about ‘drinking the Kool-Aid! That really is some Jim Jones stuff.
Scotty Searan We will on messenger
Jan Dixon Sykes Again, Joseph, you are a pastor.  Therefore, you receive the “greater condemnation” for name calling.  You don’t get a pass because “he did it first.”  That’s like saying you hold a principle—until tempted not to have it. ………  I’m a nobody with no Christians title, but even though you’ve called me (by default) a Trumptard and a Kool Aid drinker, I have not called you a name.  How can I pull it off as a nobody?  Every time you do it, you lose your high moral ground.  Not worth the gratification you get from doing it.
Joseph Kidwell Does it look to you like I really care what you amd the other Trumpsters think of me?
Timothy K. Wiebe yes it does look that way
Joseph Kidwell LOL!
Marc Jackson Joseph Kidwell what name calling? kool-aid?
Jan Dixon Sykes And Trumptard. …… I’m fine with Trumpster or Trumpite or Trumpette.  Because, yes, I belong to that group.  But Trumptard?  That is a personal slur on our intelligence. ………… Let’s say we AREN’T that bright.  Then why pick on us who are mentally handicapped?  Would you call anyone with a low IQ a retard?  No.  That’s bullying.  A school yard tactic.
Scotty Searan Jan Dixon Sykes  What is funny here, that Joseph Kidwell did not vote for Trump mocking a disabled person, then resorts to call us who support or voted for the President Trumptards.    Does that look like the same kind cloth but a different pattern?
Joseph Kidwell But you all can characterize Democrats as “demons” and “baby killers” and that’s cool. First, there are Democratic Senators (Casey, Manchin and Donnelly) who are pro-life as well as other legislators. You all need to google Democrats For Life Of America. Secondly, I have heard an amazing denial of facts in you all’s arguments. Yet, you hurl insults at anyone who dares to disagree with you all even questioning our salvation. Iy you all are offended because I implied that you all are brainwashed (you all “drank the Kool-Aid), then so be it. Trumtards is mild compared to being called “demons” or “babykillers”. By the way, Trump has paid for abortions for some of the women that he knocked up, so who is the baby killer?
Scotty Searan Joseph Kidwell  Baby killers is a fact, not fiction.  Abortion is a baby killer.  I guess Jesus Christ was wrong when he told the Pharisees your father is the Devil.  I guess that would could be classified as a demon.  If your father is a devil, then you are devil.
Timothy K. Wiebe Joseph Kidwell the establishment hates Trump, Republicans and Democrats, so I don’t care what you say, it’s IN favor of the corrupt core of Washington
Joseph Kidwell Then Scotty Searan we have nothing more to discuss. Be blessed.
Jan Dixon Sykes Joseph, you keep using the excuse that others do it to you, and even worse.  If my husband cheats on me, can I also cheat, as long as I only cheat with ONE person?   …………….. I don’t call Democrats anything but liberals or “the left.“ Generally, “the left.”  I am also fine if you call me “the right.”  It is a position on a continuum.  But again, even though I have been called a racist, xenophobe, Islamaphobe, homophobe, ammosexual, Neanderthal, knuckle dragger, idiot, stupid, and everything else anyone thought was “clever,” I simply don’t personally attack them back.  ………… I’m not allowed to because I’m a Christian.  If another layman thinks he gets a pass, his issue with God.  But for PASTOR, who must be “blameless,” to retaliate with personal attacks!?  You disqualify yourself for the position.
Joseph Kidwell I don’t answer to you.
Marc Jackson Some answers are not worth questioning 🙂
Timothy K. Wiebe It’s true, and also Trump is ONLY doing this for the money. Also, Peter S. and Lisa P. NEVER texted each other one single time. They both love the constitution and recite it every day. Oh yeah, and Comey should have never been fired. He did his dead level best to get Hillary prosecuted, and he absolutely despised the establishment elite in Washington. He is such a humble guy, just like Joy. 🙂
Marc Jackson Jan Sorry I dont post during church service so my response come just now after church. As a republican do you feel republican values are currently represented in our government? I dare not ask about Christian values that are long lost.  The fear of many conservative republicans like myself is that with these liberal policies in place and many more to come the State of the Republic is at risk more than ever before The liberal right has betrayed us all
Jan Dixon Sykes Troy, I’m a Libertarian.  Fiscally conservative, socially liberal.  Not saying I APPROVE of gay marriage or abortions, but don’t think morals are the role of the govt.  I think they are the role of the church. I would never attend a CHURCH where the pastor performed a gay marriage ceremony. …………… But this generation has abandoned the church, so it looks to the govt to be its church.  Hence, they LEGISLATE their morals with tons of govt social programs, because, really, the church ain’t doing them.  And the GOP votes right along with all these govt programs. ……………. My issue is the encroaching globalism of government.  The Trilateral Commission.  The Council of Foreign Relations.  The UN.  The Federal Reserve.  The Bilderbergers.  Who voted for these folks?  Nobody.  And the GOP is in as deep for globalism under the guise of “free trade” as anybody.  It was the GOP, which wanted TPP, a multinational trade deal to resolve its conflicts in international tribunals.  It’s the GOP, which likes cheap labor of illegal immigrants or offshore corporations. ………….. I am a Main Street Capitalist, not a Wall Street Capitalist, where labor is considered an expenditure.  It is the Democrats who put too many regulations on businesses so entrepreneurs have a hard time breaking in.  BOTH parties in DC are crony capitalists, who work for the companies who fund them, instead of their constituents.  Trump resonates with me because his family business is not traded on a Wall Street.  No corporation owns him.  So he is like me, just zillions times better at it. …………. But both parties are contributing to globalism through digging us deeper in debt so the IMF has to bail us out and then we have that one world currency we are all trying to stave off while more come to Christ.  The GOP runs up debt with a war on terrorism and the Democrats run up debt with a war on global warming.  Neither war can be won, so they are perfect solutions to keep driving up the debt and bankrupting America. …………. I’ve duly noted even Trump has driven up the debt another trillion.  He’s got three years to turn that around.  Let’s see if he does it.
Douglas Bowers Sr. A very good insight that makes me think
Jan Dixon Sykes Thx.
Scotty Searan Wonderful.  I agree with you. Jan Dixon SykesTroy Day  No Party is representative of Christianity.  I did not vote to put a Christian in office.  To put it bluntly to you.  A Christian can be in politic as the climate is now, and I wonder if there ever was a devoted Christian in politics,  The main thing being to be a good politician, you have to be a good negotiator, and most negotiators will lie or tell half-truths.You preachers gonna get me, but I am big enough to take it.  Those that do a lot of counseling tread a thin line and a lot of them cross it, by not keeping the confidentiality of their clients or telling the truth when asked a direct question by a client. I really do not believe that Jesus Christ did much counselling on this Earth.
Marc Jackson Jan I am a strong  Libertarian as well Less government is better If no gov. w/out anarchy is possible let’s do it. There’s a strong Biblical defense for such  paradigm. But what would you liken this liberal policy current state to? Seems like either way they go it ends with socialism…
Jan Dixon Sykes All these social programs at the federal level are actually unconstitutional.  They all belong at the state levels.  I have a minor in English.  Article 1, Section 8 says “Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes…for the common defense and general welfare of the UNITED STATES.”  …….. Last I checked, the United States is a proper noun, the name of an institution.  Not us individuals.  Then Section 8 listed what things Congress can tax for.  Coin money.  Post office.  Issue copyrights.  Constitute tribunals.  Raise armies.  All items for the institution. ………. I’m sure people were poor back then.  But not a single item for log cabins, work horses, or seed corn for individual families.  But no worries if you are a heathen and like govt run charity.  We have the 10th amendment.  “The powers not delegated to to United States…are reserved to the States.“  RomneyCare in MA was perfectly legal.  ……… If we got representatives that actually restored the constitution, socialism would be dead.  But none of them work for us.  They work for their funders.  If they bring pork home, they get re-elected.  I HATE Common Core, and even Bush’s No Child Left Behind.  It has dumbed down our education.  Our teachers, though, see themselves as good people doing good, so since they work for the govt, the govt must be good.  And more good govt must be even better.  …………… But our churches have dropped the ball.  Our churches should be doing all these social programs.  I have a few houses in a disadvantaged neighborhood and I don’t see a single church member showing up to my black, single-mother tenants’ homes mentoring them about money management, parenting, the value of dads, etc.  Instead I see them voting democrat to keep their food stamps and Medicaid for their kids.  And evangelicals?  They’re just “judgmental hypocrites.”  And it’s sort of true for them.  Because they are nowhere to be found to help.  Just preaching against their lives from a distance.  And by distance, I mean, not inside their homes mentoring them.  Not patrolling their street against burglaries and shootings, of which my life is filled with hearing about.  Social programs would dry up if the church did its job.
Scotty Searan Amen.  This is truthful
Marc Jackson If you confuse social programs with socialism you aint got … whatever
Marc Jackson Don Gray As a chaplain I’ve worked  with a 2 star DC army gen. (reired from a tank brigade in Germany) who also attended several meetings at their start HOWEVER these are just attendees not advisory He is explicit about the approach taken. Neither is retired military  qualified nor have they been given authorization to speak on the spiritual qualities of the said prayer meetings
Marc Jackson One MAIN reason for this post was the intense church involvement in political issues and elections via the so called kingdom-now theology often associated with NAR and others Kingdom now theology resonates in the so called Social Gospel made prominent in Latin America in the 60-70s as a cause for several socialist revolutions. Representing the so called Jesus-the-revolutionist is puzzling in modern day America to say the least, nevertheless it’s American theological variant of  Liberation Theology has become a prominent rightists ideology BUT what would it lead to?  http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/connection-between…/
Clyde M. Hughes Having no fiddle, Pentecostals are shouting while the nation burns.
Timothy K. Wiebe Don’t know what this means?
Jan Dixon Sykes Apparently, he’s saying we’re Nero who fiddled while Rome burned.
Timothy K. Wiebe Pentecostals were the ones burning. 🤔
Scotty Searan I am a Christian who believes in Holiness I did not vote for President Trump because he was a Christian.  I  have never thought he was a Christian Now Troy Day take me out of that group that thinks Trump is a Christian Is he in place because God wants him there? He probably is, because God has control of all World leaders.  But that does not make him a Christian I love his plans for the most part.  I liked his tax plan, but it did not go far enough.  I prefer a flat tax.I love his immigration policies even the mass deportations I don’t believe it is right to come to our country and have ANCHOR babies.  That law was not intended for that and it has been abused.I believe President Obama should have been impeached and/or arrested because of signing an executive order that violated an existing law.  The only way you should be able to use an executive order over a law is in the case of a national emergency, which DREAMERS are no emergencies I voted for the lesser of two evils.Is Trump a Cyrus, I am waiting this prophecy out
Louise Cummings I started writing my page to fill out. And my phone just stopped writing. I couldn’t get the letters to move. So I had to turn my phone off for a fur minutes. Then turn it back on. Now it seems to be working fine. But I can’t find the page I was writing on.do I can’t finish the form unless I can find the page.
Marc Jackson oh tell me tell medo tell me morehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/…/16d6345a-3e89-11e8…
Marc Jackson As usual you avoid the main question
Timothy K. Wiebe http://insider.foxnews.com/…/jim-comey-judge-jeanine…
Marc Jackson Love the Judge She knows her stuff After they fired Megan because of Trump all fox news has left is the judge. And maybe Tucker but I am getting Ify on Tucker especially with the Russian Link
Timothy K. Wiebe Hanity is awesome
Marc Jackson has been but seems to be losing it lately – stick with the Judge
Jan Dixon Sykes I’m following Qanon on YouTube.  Even Fox is globalist owned.    some guy named Jerome Cori decodes what Q is saying.  Corsi wastes times and takes forever, so I just scroll ahead or multitask.
Marc Jackson same with Tucker and the Judge
Marc Jackson The long-term damage to the American evangelical movement, which has spent decades working toward respectability and intellectual seriousness, remains to be seen. And a president in need of a savior is surrounded by men and women of faith who are more interested in doing business with him than calling him to repent so that his eternal soul might be saved. Amen and amen
Louise Cummings Amen
Scotty Searan Amen
Paul Hughes I suppose we were supposed to vote for Hillary, and swallow all the evil policies of the Democrat Party, hmm?Trump is way better.  He listens, he considers, he is decent to any people of good will.  He is Pro-Life!  He is not ruthless, like Hillary.Show me a “righteous” national candidate, by your obviously high standards, that I might vote for him/her.
Joseph Kidwell Yea, Trump is a paragon of virtue.
Marc Jackson He listens, he considers, he is decent  – oh we love him
Joseph Kidwell LOL!
Marc Jackson he is decent gets me every time
Marc Jackson Jan Dixon Sykes Timothy K. Wiebe Joseph Kidwell Nelson Banuchi He had to do something with the presidency except scandals and unfulfilled election promises So when price of gas drops c50 over night there you have it  https://www.facebook.com/groups/565870666897595/permalink/1033151056836218/

18 Comments

  • Reply September 17, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    Ricky Grimsley whos your pick for 2020?

  • Reply September 18, 2019

    Louise Cummings

    He is the only one I ever remember , being for Israel like except Harry Truman when Israel became a Nation in 1948.

  • Reply September 18, 2019

    RichardAnna Boyce

    Trump reminds me of tricky Nixon who helped Israel too

  • Reply September 18, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    • Reply September 19, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      seems to be going right this way Nelson Banuchi

    • Reply September 19, 2019

      Robert Erwine

      Troy Day I don’t know what Jim posted

    • Reply September 19, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      Robert Erwine IDK I was just asking a question He seems to have deleted it since

    • Reply September 19, 2019

      Robert Erwine

      context and context ?

    • Reply September 19, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      Robert Erwine croptext and crontext?

    • Reply September 19, 2019

      Robert Erwine

      ?

    • Reply September 19, 2019

      Robert Erwine

      what was it about ?

    • Reply September 19, 2019

      Varnel Watson

      Robert Erwine Trump

  • Reply September 19, 2019

    Varnel Watson

    Nelson Banuchi I am getting a feeling who Daniel J Hesse Robert Erwine is voting for in 2020 Jim Price I’m a little confused. Last night on the news (FOX) I heard our President take the name of the Lord our God in vain. – it aired last night, late. i know he has used it more than once.
    If we hear one curse word in a movie, off it goes. But I keep using the excuse that our President is the “Less of two evils.” I have used that thought repeatedly. “He’s the best of the bunch.” If that is the standard by which we judge him, then we should be able to watch movies with a few cuss words in it because they are better than movies with a lot of cursing? It’s better than a “R” rated movie. You can watch a little nudity because it’s better than movies with a lot of nudity. You follow where this is going?
    I’m also hearing the excuse “We are electing a President not voting for a Pastor. I’m kind of mixed up about that one too?

    • Reply September 20, 2019

      Jim Price

      I follow your thinking and of course we sometimes hire a contractor who cusses, chews tobacco and drinks beer and still he does a good job. But the leader of the free world is different; we expect him or her to be a moral leader, a clear thinker and especially someone with a good background that bodes well for the job at hand. Anyone sizing up Trump, say to run G E would never hire him. Yet certain media have trashed Clinton so much for so long that she seems like the devil impersonated to millions. Yet the fact is she has given herself to help women and children and has helped millions. She has had prayer pardners since her college years and is not guilty of any of the so called crimes. But as they say; ” Events are in the saddle and they ride mankind.”

  • Reply July 5, 2020

    Varnel Watson

    William DeArteaga RichardAnna Boyce Kanye West who just teased running for President is married to Kim Kardashian Many do NOT know that the Kardashians are descendants of the same village that migrated along with the Sakrians (sic) – Shekaryans) all Armenian names As a matter of fact Rich Wilkerson Jr., the 31-year-old Pentecostal minister officiated at Kim Kardashian and Kanye West’s wedding ceremony

    Kim Kardashian great grand father was a preacher and grand father of DEMOS Sakarian the Kardashians was some of the FIRST Pentecostal preachers in LA – the Molokans spoke in tongues as early as 1833 in Russia

    Demos was part of Armenian group who immigrated upon a prophecy from Russia under severe persecution The whole village traveled together Some remained in Istanbul most made it to LA – they were all Mollokans who have been said to have spoken in tongues BEFORE Azusa Revival and were very much part of the revival among other migrants during 1906-1909 The particular Molokan group the Kardashian family belonged to was impacted by an outpouring of the Holy Spirit in 1833. As a result, their services took on a very pentecostal flavor including raising hands in worship, dancing (jumping), prophecy and other Holy Spirit manifestations. There was also a release of miracles said to rival what happened in the early church.

    One person influenced by this outpouring was Efim Klubnikin. During the 1850s as a 11-year-old boy, he received a prophetic revelation that many Armenians would die unless they fled the area to a land across the great ocean.

    He said:

    “Those who believe in this will go on a journey to a far land, while the unbelievers will remain in place. Our people will go on a long journey over the great and deep waters. People from all countries will go there. There will be a great war. All kings will shed blood like great rivers. Two steamships will leave to cross the impassable ocean.”

    Though the Molokans believed in prophecy, because it came from a boy, it was basically ignored.

    However, in 1901, Efim, now grown, called a meeting of the elders of Molokan churches and villages in the area surrounding Karakale. He reminded them of the prophetic word he received 40 years earlier. He told them the decades-old prophecy would soon come to pass and people needed to leave.

    He added two further revelations. One was a warning — there was only a small window of opportunity. The Armenians needed to move quickly because the government would soon close the door to people leaving the country.

    The second was that they were not only to go to the US but to America’s west coast and used a crudely drawn map to point to California.

    Over the next decade or so, about 2,000 Armenians obeyed the prophecy, abandoned their homes and fled to America. Those who stayed behind mocked the families as they departed.

    In 1913, Kim’s great grandfather Tatos Kardashian, then 17, headed on a steamer to America following his parents, who had left a few weeks earlier, to Los Angeles. He would eventually marry fellow Armenian and Molokan refugee, Hamas Shakarian.

    Those who left avoided the Armenian genocide (1915-23) where it’s estimated the Turks slaughtered upwards of 1.5 million Armenians, World War I (1914-1918) and the 1917 Russian revolution.

    What I found unusual was why the prophecy told them to specifically go to the US West Coast. The answer to that question may lie in the Azusa Street Pentecostal Revival that took place in Los Angeles between 1906 and 1915. Because of their previous experience with the Holy Spirit, the Molokans in both doctrine and spirit played an important role in this Holy Spirit outpouring which sparked the world-wide Pentecostal movement.

    Kim’s great, great-grandfather Demos Shakarian, father of Tatos’ wife Hamas, was a famous pentecostal preacher in Los Angeles and his grandson was given the same name and followed his grandfather in the ministry. Demos Shakarian (1913-1993) founded the Full Gospel Business Men’s Fellowship International in 1952.

    https://opentheword.org/2015/02/08/was-kim-kardashians-family-saved-by-a-near-two-hundred-year-old-prophecy/

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