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Tim Anderson |
I agree. |
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Susan Duckett |
I agree |
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Peyton Gurley |
I do not |
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Ricard A. Bayless |
Why? |
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Peyton Gurley |
I believe in modalism |
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Ricard A. Bayless |
I’m just a layman. Could you bring that down to my level? |
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Peyton Gurley |
I believe there is one God who’s name is Jesus Christ. He is the fullness of the Godhead bodily. I believe He is the only One on the throne in Heaven. I don’t believe that Jesus existed before He was born. That’s called preexistence which is a trinitarian thought. I believe Jesus is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. That those are titles of the modes God (Jesus) manifests himself in. I don’t believe in three persons, but three manifestations, but that he isn’t only limited to those three. He was manifested in the burning bush, the fire furnace, etc. |
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Ricard A. Bayless |
So… modalism is God manifesting in different “modes”? Can He manifest differently concurrently? ie. Father and Son at the same time? |
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Peyton Gurley |
He is the Father and Son at the same time. He’s the Father because he is a spirit but the Son according to and only because of the flesh. |
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Ricard A. Bayless |
One day Peyton Gurley I would very much like to visit. I have commitments to attend to right now, but I’m interested to follow up. Would that be okay? |
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Peyton Gurley |
Yes |
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Peyton Gurley |
You can add me as a friend |
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Ricard A. Bayless |
Thank you. |
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Brody Pope |
I agree |
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Marc Alfano |
Well, you would have to define who or what do you mean by “God.” Good luck with that!So, it presents an idea in a limited way, which is ok, but does not adequately convey the constitution and structure of God. (Which no one knows!) |
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Henry Volk |
The model is not with out its flaws. Each Divine Person shares the Divine Essence. Perhaps I’m being sloppy with the terminology, but the ancient formula—particularly the Greek version— basically means, “Three realities in the one reality.” |
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Cindy Fox |
Yes….to Mr Alfano…JESUS said…” If you have seen me, you have seen the FATHER. ” We know GOD the FATHER by believing in and trusting for our redemption GOD the SON….therefore..WE CAN KNOW GOD. !! |
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Marc Alfano |
Yea, yea, John 14:7-15 I got it. But this is for a limited, human biological perspective. No one can really “know” God any more than we can understand the edge of the universe!! 1Cor. 2:10 |
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Brody Pope |
Just gotta go by the word. |
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Peyton Gurley |
Well you can know His eternal power and Godhead. |
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Peyton Gurley |
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:Romans 1:20 KJV |
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Ed Brewer |
scotum fidei — good tool |
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Brian Crisp |
That diagram is right on. |
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James Armstrong |
That is as false as it gets. It’s anti scriptural. The HOLY GHOST over shadowed Mary and she conceived. Let’s look at that. The word doesn’t say the FATHER, it says the HOLY SPIRIT. I don’t know what you guy think but the one doing the overshadowing would have to be the father of Christ. So when he speaks to his FATHER he’s speaking to The HOLY SPIRIT, so I guess the HOLY SPIRIT is the father. Thus your whole picture is flawed right there. But he’s another nail for that coffin. Have I been so long with you and you don’t know who I am? If you have seen me (THE SON) you have seen the FATHER. Though it explain itself, JESUS and the FATHER are one. He also said he would send the comforter and that his father would send the comforter. He use “he” and “the father” interchangeably. Like “I” and “me”. If you can’t understand that then God be with you, I can’t make it plainer if I tried. |
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Peyton Gurley |
Preach! |
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Henry Volk |
Yep, orthodoxy. |
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Michael Moore |
It easy ……….one God |
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Ed Boardman |
TRUE |
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Peyton Gurley |
The first photo and the third photo look the same. |
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Henry Volk |
They might as well be |
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Michael Moore |
#2 is the right one |
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Henry Volk |
Idk? |
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Michael Moore |
but it aint a Trinity God is one |
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Henry Volk |
Which Trinitarians confess |
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Peyton Gurley |
Trinitarians confess that there is one God. But not one person. God isn’t a being. It’s an office to trinitarians. False. |
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Henry Volk |
An office? That is precisely what you teach with your “masks” and “titles.” |
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Peyton Gurley |
No. We believe in one God. One being. Not an office. Not a title. Father, Son and Holy Ghost is titles. |
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Henry Volk |
Then why did you say we believe in an office? |
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Ed Boardman |
So oneness gospel is heresy |
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Ed Boardman |
Did I say that |
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Ed Boardman |
Read what I said don’t add to what I said the devil does that stuff |
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Ed Boardman |
I did make it clear I said oneness gospel is heresy |
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Ed Boardman |
What part of English is hard to understand |
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Ed Boardman |
Yes I said true or did not see that as well |
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Ed Boardman |
Sorry I follow God rather than man I don’t do anything for mere soul |
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Ed Boardman |
No independent fundamental Baptist |
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Peyton Gurley |
It’s funny you say you follow God. You follow catholicism which is the most man made you can be |
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Ed Boardman |
Not catholic don’t understand English either |
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Ed Boardman |
False teachers of the gospel |
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Tim Anderson |
Ed, I guess you will need to add Billy Graham, Franklin Graham, John MacArthur, basically anyone in ministry that makes more money than you. Do you not know that the scripture that says a workman is worthy of his hire and to not muzzle the ox. Has any of the people you posted about ever billed you? Oh yeah, better add King David and his son Salomon, hear they were loaded to the max. |
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Ed Boardman |
Did I hit a nerve good |
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Ed Boardman |
So what part of false teacher don’t you understand |
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Ed Boardman |
So I guess you at one point given to one of them sad |
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Tim Anderson |
Not really, just curious of who appointed you to get to be the one who decides what another person should earn for their work? Actually I have never choose to pay any of those listed above for their work. But apparently many souls have profited by their messages or ministry’s. Have you said or wrote anything worthwhile that another person liked it so much and it was a blessing to their life that they felt it was worth giving you money in exchange for? I don’t expect you to understand that concept but maybe someone else may read this and learn something. |
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James M. Henderson |
I am a Trinitarian, so I would have to disagree. I believe in one God, but recognize that Father, Word/Son, and Holy Spirit are eternal relationships within the one Godhead. If there is only one person of the Godhead who reveals himself in three historical modes, then God does not know love (only narcisism) nor community (since there is only one of his kind). He could then not be our creator, since he could not create us to love and live in community. A triune God (who is not at all like the set of three triangles) knows love as love of the other and also community as koinonia with others of like kind. How would you answer? |
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Henry Volk |
James, would you also agree that a Modalist can never “know” God? Let me explain, it’s a matter of epistemology. If there is only one person in the godhead who reveals himself in three modes, then this god is neither the Father, nor the Son, nor the Holy Spirit. Those “titles”, as Oneness folk like to say, are only masks, as Sabellius said, which mask or hide the true face of the god. Maybe, these titles or masks accurately represent this god, but maybe they don’t? In any case, the deity is not actually revealing Himself, only aspects of Himself through the masks or titles. |
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James M. Henderson |
Henry, my Modalist friends confess that Jesus Christ was both divine and human. Thus, they say that we know God through Christ.Jesus is Lord may be enough for salvation. Oddly, they seem to agree with much trinitarian thought, but they will not confess that the modes are eternal (as in 3 *hypostases* in 1 *ousia*. My post demonstrates that I think that they do not have a healthy knowledge of the True God. Some of the acid in this dialog does make me wonder, however, about whether some of these folk know God in the least. |
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Michael Moore |
Idk sounded like mismatch to me it’s really easy God is one |
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Michael Moore |
One God Jesus name |
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Michael Moore |
One says I have a glass of water that’s half empty one says I have a glass of water half full but you both have a half of glass of water |
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Michael Moore |
I believe were still brothers and sisters |
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Michael Moore |
Family is family that’s a relationship that’s not a agreement |
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Brody Pope |
Miracles Church I suggest you go on somewhere. I love my brothers and sisters of the oneness faith, but to call my belief in the Trinity a “doctrine of devils” is highly ignorant and immature. You sir need to go get your crap straight. People like you make me sick. |
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Peyton Gurley |
So James M. Henderson, by your example, God has to experience an emotion to understand it? Him robing Himself in flesh and living as one of us isn’t love? The God of the Old Testament, as Jews know Him, with no idea of a triune God, still experience God’s love. And you just said you believe in one God but without the trinity He wouldn’t know community because He is the only one of His kind. So if the Father isn’t the only one of His kind then you, sir, worship more than one God. You can call it one God, but you don’t worship one God. I’ve come to find out that “God” to trinitarians, is an office. Not a person or being. And three persons make up that office. That blows my mind that someone could be so blind to God’s Word and how important monotheism was to the Old Testament saints. |
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James M. Henderson |
Mr. Gurley, you clearly do not understand the trinitarian position. I categorically deny that their are three Gods. My comment about “one of a kind” was made in the context of there existing three hypostases (“modes of being” if you like) within the one Godhead, contrasting this with humanity which exists as “male and female” in koinonia (as well as in larger communities). That should have been clear in my post, so taking a shot like this is a low blow, uninformed as well as ungracious. I would advise that you spend some time reading some good trinitarian thought, such as Thomas Oden’s *Classic Christianity” in order to understand better. I will also remind the members of the conversation that the idea that God is triune is documented as early as AD 150 (Tertullian), debated for some time, and then accepted by the whole Church in AD 325 (Nicaea). |
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Peyton Gurley |
Apparently it’s not comprehensible to the human finite mind. I understand that Trinitarians deny three gods. But it’s just denial. |
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James M. Henderson |
No, there is a rich heritage of thought about how this can be true, that God is both one and three. But, in the end we wish above all to be biblical. I know that we disagree, but I am not sure that you know why, or that you have examined the arguments of trinitarians themselves, without a denominational filter. |
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Peyton Gurley |
I sure have. I’ve heard every possible explication and excuse. I’ve studied it and listened to every possible argument for and against it. |
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James M. Henderson |
May I ask who you have read? |
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Peyton Gurley |
Read? I’ve watched some phenominal debates with White on YouTube. |
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Peyton Gurley |
I’m not gonna lie. The debates are great. The trinitarian side is strong. |
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Brody Pope |
Once again Miracles Church, you are an idiot. You’re the type of person my bible says to beware. |
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Peyton Gurley |
We’re not all like that |
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Brody Pope |
It aint in the bible you iget. I respect the oneness doctrine. I love listening to oneness preachers. But its people like you that give Pentecostals in general a bad name. |
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Brian Crisp |
You must not believe in the rapture or demons because that’s not used in the bible either but the concept is and other terms. |
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Brian Crisp |
Such foolish statements. God have mercy. |
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Brian Crisp |
Demons devils same thing. Like taters potatoes same thing. |
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Brian Crisp |
No hate |
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Brody Pope |
How dare you show up and talk crap about your fellow Pentecostal brothers and sisters. And I don’t hate you. But I know a bunch of foolishness when i see it. I see the problem with the Pentecostal church’s in the left corner of every comment you make. |
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Brody Pope |
If you would have joined the conversation and expressed your thoughts, their would be no problem. But you pop up in here and condemn people. How dare you. |
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Brody Pope |
So you’re basically saying I’m not saved ay? |
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Henry Volk |
Sorry couldn’t resist. |
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Jesse Heath |
That was hilarious! I’m Trinitarian but that doesn’t mean I cannot get along with my Oneness brethren. I know some great anointed United Pentecostal preachers that I call friends. The hatefulness on some of these “Christian” Facebook pages is disappointing. |
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Jesse Heath |
I know I shouldn’t, but I love picking on Mark Driscoll. 😂 |
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Henry Volk |
“How dare you!!!! You’re not a man! You’re not a good man! You’re not a strong man! Taking advantage of a woman! Abusing a woman! How dare you!!!” 😂😂😂 |
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Brody Pope |
Ok. Well, I’m saved, sanctified, filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues. I pray and fast and seek God daily. I believe I am doing what it is he has for me. I pray for God’s anointing everyday. That I walk in the spirit and that he gives me strength to live day to day in this world we live in. |
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Michael Moore |
Being hateful to people mean-spirited never changed anybody |
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Brody Pope |
I believe in ONE GOD. |
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Michael Moore |
We’re brothers and sisters are all the same family ….. God’s family |
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Henry Volk |
*Cough* really Miracles? We’ve only been explain the Trinitarian dogma for 2000 years. |
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Brody Pope |
So you’re saying that since I’m not like you I’m not where God wants me? |
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Henry Volk |
“The Creed of Athanasius.Written against the Arians.1] Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic faith.2] Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.3] And the Catholic faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;4] Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance.5] For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost.6] But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.7] Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost.8] The Father uncreate, the Son uncreate, and the Holy Ghost uncreate.9] The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost incomprehensible.10] The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Ghost eternal.11] And yet they are not three Eternals, but one Eternal.12] As there are not three Uncreated nor three Incomprehensibles, but one Uncreated and one Incomprehensible.13] So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty.14] And yet they are not three Almighties, but one Almighty.15] So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God.16] And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.17] So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord.18] And yet not three Lords, but one Lord.19] For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord,So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say, There be three Gods, or three Lords.20] The Father is made of none: neither created nor begotten.21] The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten.22] The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son: neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.23] So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts.24] And in this Trinity none is before or after other; none is greater or less than another; 25] But the whole three Persons are coeternal together, and coequal: so that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshiped.26] He, therefore, that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.27] Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe faithfully the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.28] For the right faith is, that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man;29] God of the Substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and Man of the substance of His mother, born in the world;30] Perfect God and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.31] Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood;32] Who, although He be God and Man, yet He is not two, but one Christ:33] One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking the manhood into God;34] One altogether; not by confusion of Substance, but by unity of Person.35] For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and Man is one Christ;36] Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead;37] He ascended into heaven; He sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God Almighty; from whence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.38] At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies, and shall give an account of their own works.39] And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire.40] This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.” |
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Michael Moore |
I know I’m on the outside of my group I believe God will judge the heart |
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Brody Pope |
Who are you to say that I’m not where I need to be with God? |
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Brody Pope |
You’re funny. You should be a comedian. |
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Brody Pope |
Hahaha my Lord have mercy. Looks like we got ourselves Jesus Christ incarnate in the flesh again. |
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Michael Moore |
The RCC IS most likely the great whore and has never been a godly bunch. They were not the first church they were the group who tried the kill of the first church |
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Henry Volk |
The RCC is not the great whore. The RCC is a true church, which has been corrupted and is under the tyranny of the Papacy, which office is antichrist. |
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Michael Moore |
church did not start in Rome it started in Acts 2 in Jerusalem |
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Henry Volk |
“<-BOOK I CHAPTER V->We have, then, adequately demonstrated that there is a God, and that His essence is incomprehensible. But that God is one(1) and not many is no matter of doubt to those who believe in the Holy Scriptures. For the Lord says in the beginning of the Law: I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt. Thou shall have no other Gods before Me(2). And again He says, Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord(3). And in Isaiah the prophet we read For I am the first God and I am the last and beside Me there is no God. Before Me there was not any God, nor after Me will there be any God, and beside Me there is no God(4). And the Lord, too, in the holy gospels speaketh these words to His Father, And this is life eternal, that they may know Thee the only true God(5). But with those that do not believe in the Holy Scriptures we will reason thus.The Deity is perfect(6), and without blemish in goodness, and wisdom, and power, without beginning, without end, everlasting, uncircumscribed(7), and in short, perfect in all things. Should we say, then, that there are many Gods, we must recognise difference among the many. For if there is no difference among them, they are one rather than many. But if there is difference among them, what becomes of the perfectness? For that which comes short of perfection, whether it be in goodness, or power, or wisdom, or time, or place, could not be God. But it is this very identity in all respects that shews that the Deity is one and not many(8).Again, if there are many Gods, how can one maintain that God is uncircumscribed? For where the one would be, the other could not be(9).Further, how could the world be governed by many and saved from dissolution and destruction, while strife is seen to rage between the rulers? For difference introduces strife(1). And if any one should say that each rules over a part, what of that which established this order and gave to each his particular realm? For this would the rather be God. Therefore, God is one, perfect, uncircumscribed, maker of the universe, and its preserver and governor, exceeding and preceding all perfection.Moreover, it is a natural necessity that duality should originate in unity(2).<- BOOK I CHAPTER VI -> Concerning the Word and the San of God: a reasoned proof.So then this one and only God is not Wordless(3). And possessing the Word, He will have it not as without a subsistence, nor as having had a beginning, nor as destined to cease to be. For there never was a time when God was not Word: but He ever possesses His own Word, begotten of Himself, not, as our word is, without a subsistence and dissolving into air, but having a subsistence in Him and life and perfection, not proceeding out of Himself but ever existing within Himself(4). For where could it be, if it were to go outside Him? For inasmuch as our nature is perishable and easily dissolved, our word is also without subsistence. But since God is everlasting and perfect, He will have His Word subsistent in Him, and everlasting trod living, and possessed of all the attributes of the Begetter. For just as our word, proceeding as it floes out of the mind, is neither wholly identical with the mind nor utterly diverse from it (for so far as it proceeds out of the mind it is different from it, while so far as it reveals the mind, it is no longer absolutely diverse from the mind, but being one in nature with the mind, it is yet to the subject diverse from it), so in the same manner also the Word of Gods in its independent subsistence is differentiated(6) froth Him from Whom it derives its subsistence(7): but inasmuch as it displays in itself the same attributes as are seen in God, it is of the same nature as God. For just as absolute perfection is contemplated in the Father, so also is it contemplated in the Word that is begotten of Him.” – John of Damascus, The Orthodox Faith |
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Henry Volk |
Trinitarians believe in the unity of God. For proof see my above quote. |
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Michael Moore |
Our God would have never allowed his church to become what the RCC IS and has become |
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Brody Pope |
I may be a kid, but I’m a kid who love God with all my heart and I want to serve God everyday and do his will. I’ll be 21 in November. |
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Brody Pope |
And you’re an adult. One who needs a career change into comedy. |
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Brody Pope |
What’s the RCC? |
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Henry Volk |
Roman Catholic Church |
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Brody Pope |
Ok lol. I didn’t put 2 & 2 together. |
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Henry Volk |
If you want to know what the actual teachings of the RCC are, I suggest you consult the catechism, instead of these Romaphobes have to say. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM |
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Henry Volk |
If you want an accurate refutation of the Romish heresy, I strongly suggest you consult this: http://bookofconcord.org/ |
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Brody Pope |
Ok thank you you. |
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Henry Volk |
Not a prob. |
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Henry Volk |
I implore you to read the Book of Concord in its entirety , which is a true and exact exposition of the Holy Scriptures, and see if it contradicts the Scriptures on any point! I challenge you! |
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Henry Volk |
So, you’re copping out? |
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Henry Volk |
Just remember guys… |
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Brody Pope |
Well I mean, he wants to comment and condemn me and all other Trinitarians to hell. And tell me I’m not where I need to be with God and all that. Lord have mercy. |
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Michael Moore |
Now Timothy carter we ALL have thing that we need to learn |
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Michael Moore |
We should not fight love one another |
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Michael Moore |
Only one sits on the throne |
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Michael Moore |
We have that wing inside Our church who proudly claim our 4 and no more |
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Michael Moore |
When it’s all said and done when we all get to heaven some of us will say who did you get here |
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Michael Moore |
i dontv even know him so he aint my mate |
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Marc Alfano |
Only stupid, immature and misguided deceived people use the word “hate.”Are you a Muslim terrorist or something? Or just an @$$ #%!& |
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Marc Alfano |
Yup, you’re an @$$ #%!&God is love and you are full of hate. That says it all!! |
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Michael Moore |
MC we are NEVER TO HATE even more so A Brother/Sister |
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Norman Rice Jr. |
Miracles Church- whatever”Heresy” your teaching, it ISN’T ACCEPTED!! WHAT COUNTRY are you from anyways?The Trinity is 1 of THE MOST basic doctrines of the Gospel- the word itself isnt in there but the concept runs thru the NT.So, you know what the Bible says: if you take away or add to the Word of God= bigtime trouble!! you proport heresy!! |
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Michael Moore |
No the bible says OT and NT God is one not 3 only one throne in heaven |
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Marc Alfano |
You will know them by their fruits! |
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Michael Moore |
sorry a Sinner prayer is just a starting point it takes more of God this why we need the holy ghost |
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Norman Rice Jr. |
You folks neesd to simply sit and re-=read the Gospel!! Period!! |
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Norman Rice Jr. |
Miracles Church- I call you out on here!! Get back into the Word yourself and sit and study”to show yourself approved”!! Denying the Trinity? God/Jesus,the Word, said that would”happen in the last times”!! If you believe in Miracles, let me ask you this: HOW do account for those Miracles ? You cant separate God from Jesus and the Holy Spirit,otherwise, you have”half a truth”,and half a truth, is a lie!! |
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Michael Moore |
so because i say we need the HG i need to re read the bible yes i do need to re read the Bible WE ALL DO ! |
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Norman Rice Jr. |
No, its just i was telling alot of those who are denying the Trinity that they need to re-read the Bible! |
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Michael Moore |
ONLY ONE GOD God is a Spirit Jesus was God in the flesh |
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Peyton Gurley |
Reading the Bible doesn’t make you see the trinity. Lol |
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Michael Moore |
There is NO Trinity One lord one faith one baptize |
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Henry Volk |
“17] So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord.18] And yet not three Lords, but one Lord.” -Athanasian Creed |
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Michael Moore |
see i would argee |
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Henry Volk |
We do not say there are three Lords, or Gods, or three Eternals. |
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Ed Boardman |
If you don’t like the trinity then you must like the bible then |
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Norman Rice Jr. |
Miracles Church, Michael Moore?? seriously?You BOTH DENY the Trinity-really? YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS AT ALL, being on nor commenting on this whole page!!-i will challenge both of you to the end |
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Michael Moore |
well you have been challenge Brother Norman Rice Jr. |
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Henry Volk |
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Norman Rice Jr. |
I wouldn’t call myself a “brother” of yours or the “Miracle church”!! |
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Marc Alfano |
Ok, let me really stir up the pot-The term “Holy Ghost” was used by the Eastern Orthodox churches to define the Holy Spirit as the Ghost of Jesus.This was redefined as “Holy Spirit” to distinguish the Spirit as different from Jesus by the western Catholic and Protestant liturgical and evangelical churches in defense of the Trinity.So for all you Oneness believers: do you believe the Holy Ghost is the Ghost of Jesus?? |
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Peyton Gurley |
Yes. |
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Michael Moore |
well your a Brother Norman Rice Jr. |
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Henry Volk |
No one is denying the incarnation or the two natures of Christ. How do these verses disprove the Trinity. Proof texting is insufficient, exegete. |
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Michael Moore |
only God can forgive sins and what did Jesus do ? |
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Henry Volk |
He forgave sins, because He is the God-Man. |
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Michael Moore |
both man and God |
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Henry Volk |
Yep, no one is denying that. |
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Michael Moore |
You know i think we all have been lied to, i think we all believe the same thing we just explain it different |
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Henry Volk |
To a degree, yes. In my experience there are three types of Oneness. The first are those who go to Oneness Churches for cultural reasons, who actually wind up having a Trinitarian understanding of the godhead. I know that seems weird, but I have heard stories. The second are those who, probably like yourself, have a bad case of Romaphobia and have probably never heard a decent exposition of the Trinity. Thus, to a degree our differences can be boiled down to semantics. The third are those like Miracles and Peyton, who are full blown Sabaellians and proud of it. |
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Michael Moore |
Romaphobia |
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Henry Volk |
A fear of anything remotely resembling Roman Catholicism, even if it’s orthodox. |
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Michael Moore |
no the RRC has never been Gods church never will be |
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Michael Moore |
the RCC started about 125 years after the NT church (Acts 2) |
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Michael Moore |
at 325 AD they had taken power of the church |
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Michael Moore |
gotta go to church |
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Henry Volk |
I think have a very misshapen understanding of Church history. |
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Michael Moore |
Could be Brother |
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Henry Volk |
I’m sorry, but whenever you post a comment I imagine Nacho is talking to me lol. |
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Michael Moore |
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Michael Moore |
My profile pic |
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Henry Volk |
Yes lol |
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Michael Moore |
Rofl |
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Norman Rice Jr. |
Heretical stuff here!! the admin has alot to be desired here |
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Michael Moore |
God can not die the man side of Jesus died the god side did not both man and God |
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Michael Moore |
Brother Norman Rice Jr. why do you hate so much |
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Henry Volk |
Let’s play Wheel of Heresy!!! |
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Marc Alfano |
Easy everyone, let’s be Christians first and Pharisees, I mean theologians second. 🙂 |
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Michael Moore |
I live in Az brother where at which church |
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Michael Moore |
Post a link |
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Michael Moore |
Accept my friendship |
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Marc Alfano |
Brother, you should team up with Benny Hinn and inquire about his theological views. I think it might help- Acts 19 |
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Michael Moore |
Benny Hinn not likely |
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Henry Volk |
I don’t think Miracles would get along with Hinnster, since he believes there are 9 in the Trinity. |
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Marc Alfano |
God uses Him, you, me- we are all imperfect but God’s grace is sufficient and we are commanded to Love one another!He who does not love does not know God, for God is Love! |
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Marc Alfano |
This is my commandment, that you love one another that your joy may be full.This is the Lord’s direct command to the church. Love one another!!! |
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Marc Alfano |
Ok, so what?? Watched them- so what does that have to do with the command to love one another?? |
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Byron Benefield |
Here you go Everett Hudson |
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Ed Boardman |
And how many hospitals are empty now |
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Byron Benefield |
But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.Mark 6:4-5 KJV |
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Ed Boardman |
Strange your no prophet try again |
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Byron Benefield |
And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching. Mark 6:6 KJV |
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Ed Boardman |
So now your claiming to be Christ personally problems |
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Byron Benefield |
You are soo missing the point. Dishonor and unbelief prevent the miraculous work of God through His Body. |
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Ed Boardman |
Nope not missing the point your missing some bible |
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Byron Benefield |
No one is talking about prophets or prophesies. That goes on a different thread dude |
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Jesse Heath |
You guys have been going at each other for like … 3 hours. #JesusIsFacePalmingRightNow |
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BeyondtheVeil WorldOutreach |
This is brotherly love???😳 |
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Michael Moore |
This guy maybe the worse of the worst |
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Byron Benefield |
Who? The Bored Man? |
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David John Maxfield |
This scripture pretty much answers the whole argument. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.1 John 5:7 KJVhttp://bible.com/1/1jn.5.7.KJV |
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David John Maxfield |
Let’s reconcile on that which is the word of God and let our differences be seen as just that, differences. Neither right nor wrong but different. |
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Kevin Ray Dunn |
What does these comments have to do with the picture above?? Nothing I see!!! Looks like it refers to the trinity to me?? |
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Peyton Gurley |
This group needs to update its about section to being for trinitarians only. You know there are other Pentecostals out there. |
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Brody Pope |
I have no problem talking and discussing differing views, but I won’t take being told I’m not spiritual or I’m not saved or I’m going to hell because I view something slightly different than someone. |
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Peyton Gurley |
That’s terrible. I wouldn’t tell you that. I know you wouldn’t tell me that. |
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Brody Pope |
Miracles Church sure did. |
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Peyton Gurley |
Yeah. I think he is Apostolic Assemblies. But don’t take it to heart. I consider you a brother. |
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Brody Pope |
I consider you a brother as well. |
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Rasiah Thomas |
This is really vicious triangle in order to confirm about Trinity of God. |
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Henry Volk |
Hey guys I found Miracles’ Church—the one where they don’t study theology and pray for the Spirit to “reveal” truths to them, which are really nothing but ancient heresies that have been dead for over a millennium. |
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Michael Moore |
i was removed from the room by Force |
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Michael Moore |
the only reason i seen it , because its a open group but all is forgiven |
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Michael Moore |
carry on my Brother |
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Michael Moore |
i removed no post what so ever |
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Michael Moore |
Sir its over time to let it go, I have been kicked out of the room since 6 pm last night was allowed back in at 1030 am this morning and i still dont know why God He is not a Trinity. God is One |
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Michael Moore |
while we dis argee we can still be Brothers |
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Christopher Hart |
I think it is a succinct and accurate explanation of the Godhead. |
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Salvatore Tropea Sr |
Looks like a perfect representation of “Separate but Equal” of the God Head, Michael! |
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Byron Benefield |
Since God made man in His image are we three persons as well? Or are we one complete person with three different aspects that make us who we are? My body which is visible, my soul which makes up “who” I am (thoughts, desire, and emotions), and my spirit (the innermost being that ‘senses, intuition, and connects with God). My soul is not my spirit, My spirit is not my body and my body is not my soul but I am one person made up of all three. Neither part of me alone is a person but all three together make me a person.So if God is three persons then by definition of person each ‘person’ must have a body, soul, and spirit. Or if God is one person composed of three parts then there would be one body, one soul, and one spirit to make the one person of God? Keeping in mind we are only in the likenesses of God with limited capacity whereas God is unlimited as to His Bodily capacity, His mind, and His Spirit. Nor is He limited by time and exists outside of time and therefore exists as He is as the unchanging I AM, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Our pea brain can’t even comprehend such a thought because our mind is always thinking within the concept of time. I believe we well find out that God is much more complex yet simple, mysterious yet knowable when we see Him in all His Glory. I will know even as I am known. |
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Peyton Gurley |
But the Bible says it’s clear to us |
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Byron Benefield |
Not according to Paul. 1Co 13:12 KJV For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. |
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Peyton Gurley |
That’s not talking about His Godhead. And ACCORDING to PAUL: For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:Romans 1:20 |
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Colby Benefield |
Wisdom of man is foolishness compared to the wisdom of God, we may be able to understand him yes but even with all of our wisdom and insight we could never completely understand the fullness of God here on earth. |
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Byron Benefield |
To see Jesus is very clear. He is the “express image of His person” Heb 1:3Weather you believe He is only One composed of three or just One the bible is very clear that Jesus is the only aspect of God that has or will be seen. He is The Lord Jesus Christ. The Almighty God. All revelation of God is summed up in Jesus Christ. He is the Divine Revelation of God, God’s image, God’s expression, God’s Word. All that is God is revealed in Jesus. |
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Peyton Gurley |
Because Jesus is God. All of God. |
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Byron Benefield |
Col 2:9 KJV For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.Paul here is referring to Christ in His present acended exalted state seated on the throne not pre crucifixion.In – within, inside, containing Same word used for “with child” in Mat 1:18Him – The Lord Jesus Christ acended exalted Christ JESUSDwelleth – taking up residence. Living in. Tabernacles inStrong’s Definition: From G2596 and G3611; to house permanently, that is, reside (literally or figuratively): – dwell (-er), inhabitant (-ter).All – leaves nothing out. Every thing there isStrong’s Definition: Including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole: – all (manner of, means) alway (-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), X throughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.Fullness – the complete capacity of Strong’s Definition: From G4137; repletion or completion, that is, (subjectively) what fills (as contents, supplement, copiousness, multitude), or (objectively) what is filled (as container, performance, period): – which is put in to fill up, piece that filled up, fulfilling, full, fulness.Godhead – that which constitutes the very being of God.Strong’s Definition: From G2316; divinity (abstractly): – godhead.Bodily – the resurrected, glorified body of Christ in physical form though unlimited in its capacity and ability. Strong’s Definition: Adverb from G4984; corporeally or physically: – bodily.Put it all together and what do we have?Every bit of Everything there is of God in His full compete capacity taking up permanent residence within the glorified body of The Lord Jesus Christ. |
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Peyton Gurley |
I agree with it except that the glorified body is the tabernacle. I believe He was God before. I mean, He said He was. |
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Byron Benefield |
He was always God but had limits as Son of Man until He received the Glory He had from the Beginning. |
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Peyton Gurley |
What kind of limits? |
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Byron Benefield |
He got tired, hungry, etc. Could only be in one place at a time. We are talking his 33-1/2 years. |
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Peyton Gurley |
Do you believe He wasn’t God until glorified? |
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Byron Benefield |
WHAT! NO I don’t believe that! How could you arrive at that conclusion from all I have posted? |
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Peyton Gurley |
I’m confused lol I feel that if He was/is God then His human limitations don’t really matter. He still was omnipresent, of course the flesh wasn’t. Do you believe His glorified body is still a body? |
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Byron Benefield |
The purpose of the incarnation required that He willingly come in the flesh (complete human flesh with its limits as well). He lived and walked and suffered as the Man Christ Jesus. |
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Peyton Gurley |
Ok I believe that. But I believe He was still the fullness of the Godhead bodily. |
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Byron Benefield |
Yes and the Glorified body has no limits |
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Byron Benefield |
The flesh prior to being glorified could not “contain all the fullness’ of the Godhead. He was completely dependant on the power of the Holy Spirit and completely surrendered to the Father’s will. That’s why He said in John 17:5″ and now, O Father, glorify Thou Me with Thine own Self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.” |
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Peyton Gurley |
Do you believe Jesus pre-existed? |
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Byron Benefield |
Of course, He is The I AM |
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Peyton Gurley |
Do you believe His flesh pre-existed? |
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Byron Benefield |
With God there is no “pre-existing”. He simply ‘is’. He is not contained by time. Time is a part of His creation. In relation to time He is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the World. Totally mind blowing! |
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Colby Benefield |
That’s my dad 🙂 oooooh yeeeea so lucky to be his son ha |
Louise Cummings
Agree.
Varnel Watson
#me2
Varnel Watson
Shannel Taylor does your book speak of this What do you think Doyle Rogers http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-subject-of-god-and-the-trinity/
Doyle Rogers
The best REPRESENTATION of the TRINITY IS ……FOUND IN …….Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the (#1) Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon (#2) him/JESUS
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven ( #3 ) GOD THE HEAVENLY FATHER ), saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased….. …………………………………………………………………………………………………….1Jn_5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn_5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: ……(NOTE)…………….he that believeth not God hath made him a liar;……… because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
Louise Cummings
So do I. I have a niece names Susan Puckett. Was almost the same.
Varnel Watson
its a MUST