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How does the Noah’s Ark narrative relate to other the Gilgamesh flood account?
For reference, the Biblical flood account is in Genesis 6-10 and the Gilgamesh flood account is on Tablet XI. The British Museum holds a tablet with the Atrahasis Epic which is a more ancient flood account, but I don’t know of an online translation.
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cant expect Philip Williams to know about this @followers
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Philip Williams John Mushenhouse Ken Ham just made an extraordinary claim: at least 100,000 people make a profession of faith in Christ each year after visiting the Ark Encounter and Creation Museum. That’s quite a statement—and it demands some scrutiny. In this video, I break down the math behind this claim and examine what it would actually mean if true. With roughly 1.4 million unique annual visitors to both attractions, we’re looking at either a 7% conversion rate of all visitors—or if we account for the fact that most visitors are already Christians, potentially a 35% conversion rate among non-believers. That would make Ken Ham vastly more effective as an evangelist than Billy Graham ever was. I dig into what real research methodology requires: clear definitions, proper sampling techniques, pre- and post-visit surveys, follow-up studies, and transparency about methods. What did Answers in Genesis provide? A single sentence: “surveys guests filled out when they leave our attractions.” That’s it. As someone who has been involved in conducting human subjects research and evaluated countless student research projects, I walk through the red flags: social desirability bias, selection bias in exit surveys, the lack of any follow-up verification, and the complete absence of published methodology. When someone makes extraordinary claims but refuses to show their work, that should raise serious questions. This isn’t about opposing genuine conversions—it’s about asking whether Christians should hold ourselves to higher standards than politicians throwing out impressive-sounding numbers in fundraising appeals.
Philip Williams
Troy Day the relevant matter is whether one prefers his reward in Heaven, or from man by blowing one’s own horn. We are of course living in a Trumpeteering era.
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Philip Williams RT John Mushenhouse What is really alarming, and a sign of the times is that many church folks, void of any real understanding of the bible, are using AI to explain what they think are difficult biblical passages. This is GOOD and it is the problem of Philip Williams who uses external resources to prove biblical truths
you cannot be a real Christian reading the BIBLE and arrive at dualism – its just NOT how the BIBLE describes GOD From GEN 1 the SPIRIT is a person who moves and embraces
2. NOAH you cannot prove NOAH without the BIBLE or using gilgamesh or whatever non Biblical sorcery you may
3. popish-ism is NOT Christianity First Trinity and Pope align Dualism and pope do not – its some sort of cherry picking frontology ol Phil is practicing BUT NOT BIBLE
John Mushenhouse
Troy Day same thing as how many John G lake claimed were healed at his healing room. The math doesn’ add up.
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John Mushenhouse Philip Williams In addition to the apologetics claims around the Ark Encounter, it is worth remembering that the biblical flood narrative is also part of a much wider ancient Near Eastern conversation, including Atrahasis and the flood in Gilgamesh XI, which long predate our modern ministry models and fundraising metrics.
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well now John Mushenhouse Second deck Noah’s ark Mt. Ararat surfaced on its own but Philip Williams did NOT use the BIBLE to find it This website concerns the June 2008 discovery of the large wooden structure on mount Ararat in eastern Turkey and the 2010 press release about this discovery. HE was said to compile a conference in 2019 to explicit show the deck discovery BUT 7 yrs later NO such conf has occurred anywhere and nothing is shown yet
Philip Williams
Troy Day actually we did have a 2019 Conference on this. It was attended by my invitees, Professor Younker of Andrews and the Dead Sea Scroll scientist, my friend the late Stephen Pfann, President of the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem, also an expert on migrations from Mount Ararat.
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Philip Williams not really TRUE now is it?
Philip Williams
Troy Day I have 30 plus years investigating this and every other claim about Noah’s Ark and Flood. I know the science. I know the archaeology. I know the scientists and the archaeologists involved. I was the first outsider ever to meet the family who has controlled this mountain and kept its secrets since time immemorial. The man who brought this to the attention of the world is dear to me. I knew the late Dr John Warwick Montgomery who first chronicled the history of the Ark on Mount Ararat. Dr. Norman Geisler became my disciple on the subject of origins.
My point is that I am in the best position to make a sound judgement, better even than those who have explored the Ark. Yes, this has to be Noah’s Ark and this may be the year that we tell the world. If ever I have some good reason to believe otherwise, I will be the first to say. But there is probably nothing from the ancient world about which we can have more certainty.
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Philip Williams 30 plus years investigating with 2 circular cut boards to show No promised conference since 2017 and thatS about it?
Philip Williams
Troy Day I will share no more here.
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Philip Williams Noah’s Ark Has Not Been Found Yet
1. Mount Ararat is extremely dangerous
The mountain is covered in glaciers, crevasses, avalanches, and unstable ice.
Many expeditions have failed simply because the terrain is nearly impossible to search thoroughly.
2. Glacial movement destroys or buries anything
Ararat’s glaciers constantly shift.
Even a large wooden structure would be crushed, scattered, or deeply buried over thousands of years.
3. Wood decays — even large amounts
Over 4,000+ years, wood exposed to moisture, insects, and microbes would normally rot away.
Only extremely rare conditions preserve wood that long.
4. No confirmed archaeological layer matches the biblical flood
Archaeologists have not found a global flood layer.
Without a clear historical layer, it’s hard to match any structure to Noah’s time.
5. Many “Ark discoveries” have been hoaxes or misidentifications
Rock formations, lava flows, and sediment layers can look like wooden beams.
Several high‑profile claims were later debunked.
6. Political restrictions in Turkey
Mount Ararat is in a militarized zone near the borders of Armenia and Iran.
Access is limited, monitored, and often denied.
7. The Ark may not have landed on Ararat at all
The Bible says “mountains of Ararat,” not the modern Mount Ararat.
The region is large, and the actual landing site could be elsewhere.
8. If the Ark existed, locals may have reused the wood
Ancient people often repurposed valuable timber.
A massive wooden ship would have been a treasure trove.
9. Natural disasters could have destroyed it
Earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and landslides are common in the region.
Any structure could have been obliterated long ago.
10. We may be expecting the wrong thing
Many imagine a perfectly preserved giant ship.
In reality, even if remains exist, they might be:
fragmented
fossilized
buried under ice
indistinguishable from natural formations
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Philip Williams you will share no more cause you got no more to share since before 2017 1. Reports of a large wooden structure on Mount Ararat
Several expeditions claim to have seen or filmed a massive, beam‑like wooden formation high on Ararat’s glacier — something they argue is too large and too regular to be natural.
2. The “Ararat anomaly” from aerial and satellite photos
Since the 1940s, military and later satellite images have shown a mysterious, elongated object near the summit. Some interpret it as a ship‑shaped structure buried in ice.
3. The Durupınar site’s boat‑shaped formation
Located 18 miles south of Ararat, this site has a clear, ship‑like outline over 500 feet long. Supporters argue its symmetry and metal‑like readings suggest a man‑made structure.
4. Claims of petrified wood samples
Some explorers say they recovered wood fragments from high elevations where no trees grow. They argue this supports the idea of an ancient wooden vessel.
5. Ancient local traditions
Armenian, Kurdish, and Turkish communities have long claimed the Ark rests on Ararat. These traditions predate modern expeditions and reinforce belief in a real object.
6. Historical testimonies from explorers
Accounts from the 1800s and early 1900s describe people who claimed to have seen a large wooden structure on the mountain. Supporters treat these as corroborating evidence.
7. Metal detector and ground‑penetrating radar readings
Some expeditions report regular, grid‑like patterns beneath the surface — which they interpret as internal rooms or beams of a ship.
8. The extreme difficulty of the location
Believers argue that the harsh, inaccessible terrain explains why the Ark would remain preserved and hidden — and why only a few people have ever reached it.
9. The idea that glacial ice could preserve wood
Supporters claim that if the Ark were buried in ice for millennia, the cold conditions could keep large portions intact, similar to preserved ancient trees or frozen artifacts.
10. Religious conviction combined with circumstantial evidence
For many, the combination of:
ancient stories
modern photos
eyewitness accounts
unusual geological formations
creates a cumulative case that feels too strong to dismiss.
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Philip Williams dont know what you said exactly BUT Philip Williams this should not be a reason to part away; AFTER all simple reality check is good @ New year’s start
Brett Dobbs also parted ways with Oscar Valdez on the reptur