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| Marc Jackson | Dake explains – the church stops the evil one from appearing Pretty clear if you ask me Ricky Grimsley |
| Ricky Grimsley | He is obviously wrong based on his presupposition of the rapture. Circular reasoning. |
| Marc Jackson | Actually makes lots of sense and answers all the questions which pre-wrath mid-trib etc cannot answer |
| Ricky Grimsley | Lol name one thing that prewrath can’t explain? |
| Gina Marie Zarrin-Kia | Where is that written? That is totally against prophetic scripture |
| David McLaughlin | He is waiting for the Father’s voice to tell him to come. |
| Marc Jackson | oh come quickly Lord Jesus |
| Douglas Bowers Sr. | I am ready but still hoping to win more lost souls! His mercy and love will delay His coming! |
| Ricky Grimsley | Here is what he is waiting on. Revelation 6:11 KJVS[11] And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were , should be fulfilled. |
| Gina Marie Zarrin-Kia | Many scripture has not been fulfilled yet. |
| Douglas Bowers Sr. | I know of no prophecy yet to be fulfilled that would prevent the Rapture of His Bride! Mtt. 24:44 |
| Ricky Grimsley | How can you say that? |
| Gina Marie Zarrin-Kia | Because I know the chronological order of events |
| Ricky Grimsley | Please read people. This destroys pretrib. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 KJVS[1] Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; |
| Gina Marie Zarrin-Kia | We are still in the fifth seal. God is very clear Satan comes during the sound of the Sixth trumpet and The Almighty Returns on the seventh trump. and on the LAST Trump we shall all be changed in the twinkling of an eye |
| Gina Marie Zarrin-Kia | Hosea 4:6 my children Parrish die to lack of knowledge |
| Douglas Bowers Sr. | Not going to enter a debate on this just going to make sure I hear the sound of the Trumpet😇 |
| Gina Marie Zarrin-Kia | Are you better than Christ? We escape the hour of temptation for we don’t find The False one attractive. We see him as an abomination. We recognize him. And Revelation the last testimony of Jesus Christ it tells us the whole world will be deceived why are they deceived because they listen to ministers and didn’t study the Bible |
| Douglas Bowers Sr. | Love you all and know you love God! |
| Ricky Grimsley | Lol spoken like a true pretribber |
| Gina Marie Zarrin-Kia | Some are chosen to make a stand they were chosen before the foundation of the world. God never needs a large army just one with the faith to stand and not bow. Just like the three Hebrew children who did not bow they were protected from the fire. True believers will stand not fly away. Ezekiel claims I am against those who teach my children to FLY I will snatch them from your hands. Amen amen amen |
| Ricky Grimsley | Yay now let’s throw in a little fatalist predestination to muck it all up. |
| Gina Marie Zarrin-Kia | Ricky Grimsley have your read Jeremiah
Ephesians 1:4 Of course. Do you think that applies to you? Romans 8:29 Jeremiah 1:5 It applies to us What about Job Kicking the dust off my shoes |
| Ricky Grimsley | Lol |
| Ricky Grimsley | Either you believe in free will or you don’t. |
| Gina Marie Zarrin-Kia | Ricky Grimsley I believe some bow to Gods will. |
| Gina Marie Zarrin-Kia | Do the zoon have free will? |
| Ricky Grimsley | They have instinct |
| Gina Marie Zarrin-Kia | Did he strike Saul down and make him blind till he bowed and bend to the will of God? |
| Gina Marie Zarrin-Kia | Ricky Grimsley Where does instinct come from? |
| Douglas Bowers Sr. | Last comment don’t want to fuel disunity but that totally is an abuse of scripture interpretation! The dust goes to the unbeliever! Praying for all tomorrow as you minister may the Holy Spirit moved greatly!! |
| Gina Marie Zarrin-Kia | Douglas Bowers Sr. The dust was for those who did not accept there testimony |
| Gina Marie Zarrin-Kia | We are not to argue. I’ve provided scripture now I’m bowing out |
| Theodore Ballard | Ricky Grimsley You are making this scripture refer to the rapture, it does not this particular scripture refers to the Open Revelation or Second Coming. No sign or prophetic fulfillment necessary for the rapture, signs and prophetic relate to the 2nd Coming IMO |
| Brent Welke | One of the scriptures that have not been fulfilled is the Latter Rain. In the former rain they brought the sick out into the streets to be healed by Peter’s shadow. And the former rain was “moderate”. The latter is not. God is going to unleash his raw power, so the fact that the Imam has a higher IQ than the missionary and can outargue him will become irrelevant. |
| Marc Jackson | hey Ricky, Gina is kicking you on this one like old kia in a 3rd gear 🙂 |
| Ricky Grimsley | I don’t why you people believe these things. Over and over Paul talked about the “day of the lord†he obviously believes it starts with the rapture and ends with Christ’s reign on earth. He tells you that day doesn’t come until the son of perdition gets here. Matthew, mark and Luke and also John in revelation give you a segue very of events and where is the rapture mentioned in them……..way closer to the end than the beginning. |
| Ricky Grimsley | For pretrib to be true you have to believe the Bible is corrupted by Calvinists or some other strange theories to make it all work. |
| Ricky Grimsley | For those who believe that Jesus can come back any time you need to read the New Testament again. None of the writers could possibly believe that. Especially since he told them of the persecution that would kill them and of the fall of Jerusalem and so on. When did his return become “immanent†|
| Marc Jackson | Come quickly Lord Jesus is pretty immanent |
| Ricky Grimsley | It’s a prayer. Obviously not answered. He ain’t came yet. |
| Ricky Grimsley | How do we “hasten†the coming of the lord? |
| Marc Jackson | It is an invitation by the community of believers for the Lord to return quickly. Who do the Church and the Spirit invite to come? |
| Ricky Grimsley | The point is if we can do things to speed his coming….it can’t be immanent. |
| Marc Jackson | From where can such point be made? Certainly not from the Bible |
| Ricky Grimsley | 2 Peter 3:12 ESV[12] waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! |
| Gerardo de Dominicis | “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.â€â€â€2 Peter‬ â€3:9‬ †|
Louise Cummings
2nb Peter 3:9. The Lord is not slam concerning His Promise, as some men count slackness, but is long suffering to us- ward , not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to Repentance. (Read the next fur verses. ). But this is talking about the Day Of The Lord. WhenHe comes as a thief in the night. Or in or at the Millennium reign. What happens at the end of it. But for the Rapture 1st Thessalonians 1:10. The read 2nd Thessalonians 2:6. And now you know what withholds that he might be revealed in his time ( speaks of the Antichrist who will be revealed or made known after the Rapture of the Church. ) For the mystery of iniquity does already work: only he (the Church) Who now lets will let , until he (the Church) be taken out of the way. And then ( after the Rapture of the Church) shall that Wicked(the Antichrist) be revealed. ( proving conclusive that the Rapture takes place before the Great Tribulations. Matt. 24:21. ) whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His Mouth. (Read Isa. 11:4) and shall destroy with the brightness of His Coming. ( that’s reading 6-8. ).
Robert Erwine
oh I think we know why
Link Hudson
Some jokes are better left untold.
Louise Cummings
Very true.
Robert Erwine
yet here you are
Link Hudson
Here I am not being disrespectful to Christ.
Jerome T Morris
What’s keeping Jesus from returning is His word!!!
People need to study end time prophecy and you’ll know exactly what has to take place.
The 3rd Temple has to be built. The Antichrist sit in the temple claiming to be God.
The mark of the beast.
He will make war against the saints that reject him and his mark…
Sorry guy’s, but the pretrib is a Fairy Tail and not biblically sound doctrine.
Ricky Grimsley
???what he said.
Varnel Watson
He now unsaid it Are you still with him?
Louise Cummings
That will be rebuilt during the Tribulations. I guess about half way through the Tribulations.
Jerome T Morris
Louise Cummings, correct me if I’m wrong with scriptures.
I think everyone is speculating the temple will be built during the tribulation period?
If you have scripture that clearly states that, please share with me..
Jerome T Morris
From what I understand, the 3rd Temple will be built during the end of time.
A peace treaty will be signed by the Antichrist and that is the signal of the days numbered..
Louise Cummings
I will be glad to look it up. But I can’t tonight. I’ve been at church and it’s late to get started. But I’ll try to help all I can.
Jerome T Morris
Daniel 9:24-27
“Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place. Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed. And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
Jerome T Morris
I was wrong… I just found where the Temple will be built during the tribulation…
Jerome T Morris
Louise Cummings , I was wrong.. I found it..you’re right.
Louise Cummings
Thank you.
Jerome T Morris
Louise Cummings , you’re welcome.. Thank you!
Robert Erwine
we could be reading John’s revelations completely wrong too
Gary Micheal Epping
And maybe Jesus’ revelation in Mat 24:29.
Varnel Watson
please explain it to us Robert Erwine Ricky Grimsley the restariner now maybe Trump
Ricky Grimsley
Trump is not restraining the Antichrist
Ricky Grimsley
2 Thessalonians chapter 2 makes it undeniable that Antichrist has to be revealed before Jesus can come.
Jerome T Morris
Ricky Grimsley, that scripture is as clear as day .
He starts off with , DO NOT let any man DECEIVE YOU concerning the rapture ( gathering)
It directly mentions the day of the rapture when Paul said, The gathering of the saints.
He said We Will see the son of prediction ( anti Christ) sit in the temple claiming to be God.
Ricky Grimsley
Yeah I know. It ain’t popular but is clear as day.
Varnel Watson
Who is and who isnt I lost track? Is the Pope the one? He can now fly using his new pope mobile
Jerome T Morris
Troy Day , a Pope most likely be the false prophet.
Let’s talk about the beast.. who or what is the beast?
I believe the beast is some how linked to the computer.
Varnel Watson
Jerome T Morris do you mean the pope is the beast? or its prophet?
Jerome T Morris
Troy Day , there’s three , the Antichrist, false prophet, the beast.
The Antichrist will have military experience and a world leader .
He will rise to power on promises of world peace in the time of global chaos.
I personally believe he will rise to power after world war where 1/3 of mankind is killed.
The whole world will be seeking a leader to end the misery of war.
This is where the false prophet joins in pushing for the world to except Him as god..
The question is, what or who is the beast?
I believe the beast is connected to the computer .
Louise Cummings
You got it turned backwards. The Church has to be gone before The Antichrist can be revealed.
Jerome T Morris
According to Daniel the Antichrist will wage war against Christians and win.
Then Jesus laid the scenario down pretty good in Matthew 24. He bluntly says, they will kill you and you will be persecuted for His name.
2nd thess , Paul makes it very clear that we will be here. He even goes as far to say, let no man deceive you concerning the rapture.
Then in revelation it’s very obvious that the Antichrist will wage war against Christians in great numbers of all races.
In order to find pretribulation you have to over look a lot of scriptures and have one heck of an imagination by adding to the meaning of some scriptures to prove your point and it just doesn’t hold up to the doctrine of the bible.
I wished it was true, this is one time I’d be happy to be wrong.. but I’m not..
Ricky Grimsley
Nope
Louise Cummings
Rickey would you not get angry at me , and let me show you something. Then if you can’t see it. Unless you ask me something. I won’t say any more. I want to start off with Scripture. I’ll end here and then start up again with Scripture.
Ricky Grimsley
I doubt that I could get angry with at all.
Robert Erwine
if you remove your dispensationlist lenses while reading John’s Revelation ( and keep in mind it was written before the total destruction of Israel in 120 AD maybe even before 70 AD ) it makes more sense
Louise Cummings
2nd Thess 1: 3. Now we beseech you , Brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by the our gathering together unto Him. ( this phrase refers to the Rapture. ). He first talks about the Rapture by saying gathering together. That’s the dead an The Living that’s Christians. ( any where it speaks of the Day Of The Lord “ refers to all events after the Rapture. ). What you see here , it is to both comings. The gathering together is the Rapture. So the first verse is referring to the Rapture. After that the aAntichrist. Let me show you. 1 st Thess. 4:13-18 But I would not have you to be ignorant, Brethren, concerning them which are asleep (or believers that have died ) , that you sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with Him, v15- For this we say unto you by the Word Of The Lord that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord. Shall not prevent them which are asleep ,v16- For the Lord Himself shall descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel, and with the Trump Of God : and the dead in Christ shall rise first : v17- Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (or Raptured) in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so shall we ever be with the Lord. V18- wherefore comfort one another with these words. ( Noe if yo noticed in these verses that Jesus is not coming all the way to earth to He us. But we will meet him in the air. ) now turn to Revelation 20:5- says But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first Resurrection. (Talking about the first Resurrection being the dead in Christ. And the That didn’t know or believe in God we’re separated for at least a Thousand Year’s. ( now one more place). Go to Jude 14. Only one chapter in Jude. The half brother of Jesus Christ. Because Jesus didn’t have an earthly Father. His Father was God.
Jude 14th verse. And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, Prophesied of these, saying Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His Saints v. 15 – To execute Judgment upon all, and to convince all who are ungodly , among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him. (How could he bring ten thousands of his Saints with Him if He hadn’t Raptured them first. Revelation, tells us He will come ridding on white horses to help fight the last battle with the devil at Midgedo.
Robert Erwine
dispensationalism has evolved in the minds and hearts of many Christians. To so many of them, dispensationalism (with all of the interpretations contained therein) is a FUNDAMENTAL tenet of the Christian faith. To them, denying dispensationalism is tantamount to denying Christ.
This helps me understand why so many adherents of dispensationalism have become so rabid in carrying out the tenets of dispensationalism into, not only their religious lives, but into their political lives as well. To these folks, political candidates and governmental policies are judged MOSTLY by dispensational philosophy–even to the point of putting the interests of a foreign nation (Israel) ABOVE the interests of our own country.
It’s as if the doctrine of dispensationalism trumps virtually ALL OTHER CHRISTIAN DOCTRINES–especially as it relates to politics.
it is so very clear to me now how the Neocons in Washington, D.C., have been able to so effectively manipulate so many Christian voters. And how they have convinced them to support endless wars of aggression in the Middle East. To dispensationalists, these wars comport with their understanding of Bible prophecy. (John Hagee is the worst offender on this point.) And how so many Christians have been duped into not resisting the unconstitutional, unlawful conduct of their own leaders–especially if the leader is perceived as supporting dispensational ideology. Never mind, that these actions contradict the totality of both Biblical and Natural Law.
It seems clear to me that we will NEVER see any significant improvement in national politics (much less our spiritual growth and understanding) until somehow, someway, the Christian Church is delivered from its infatuation with dispensationalism.
Even if one adheres to dispensationalist doctrine (as I did for so many years), to raise its importance to the level of those folks quoted above–and if this view is widely shared (as it appears now to be)–portends a very dangerous future for our country. And, sadly, if that happens, it will all have been a SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY.
Louise Cummings
Politics has nothing to do with what the Bible makes clear. I believed in the Rapture, long before I ever knew there was a Trump living on the earth. I just believe The Bible.
Robert Erwine
politics has been using religion long before it was written down
Louise Cummings
I hope that helped you. Ask the Lord to help you understand. I have to pray all time for the Lord will give me understanding and knowledge. I also ask for Revelation on His Word.
Jerome T Morris
Not one single scripture in all that to back up pretribulation..
Louise Cummings
The very first Scripture in 2ne Thessalonians the very first verse. Then 1st Thessalonians is plain as day. But you have to ask the Lord to open your understanding. If you are just determined not to try to understand. Then you and the Lord will have to work it out. But I don’t regret taking almost my whole day to help you because I would do it for anyone. But if your mind is made up. It’s between you two and the Lord. I tried my best. Maybe that wasn’t good enough.
Louise Cummings
If you had not deleted them. Someone could have read and been blessed. But that’s ok. When you start going through the Tribulations. You will wish then. I wish I would have listened. I say that because the Bible says He’s Coming for those that are looking for Him. And I believe according to what’s happening now is when Jesus said in Matt24. I believe it is. He says when you see these things began to happen. Look up for your redemption drawers nigh. Even at the doors. I’m looking for Him today. If He doesn’t come today. I’ll be looking tomorrow. The time y’all are looking for Him to Com will be at the end of the Tribulations. That will be His next Coming after the Rapture takes place. You want Him to come during the Tribulations. There won’t be one. The one coming not from Heaven. But the Antichrist will come in the 6 th chapter of Revelation. Ridding on a white horse. That’s the Antichrist. All Muslims that high in society. Have white Horses. In case they are the one picked. But Jesus will come down from Heaven, ridding white horse. And the Saints will be following Him. That’s when He’s Coming back to earth again.
Jerome T Morris
Louise Cummings , He is returning one time.
Read all of Matthew 24 and notice what He says will happen immediately AFTER the great tribulation.
He says immediately after the tribulation He will gather His saints…
You have to look at the presence and the past to see the future in the church.
Starting with John the Baptist, He was put in prison and they cut his head off while Jesus was here..
All the apostles except one I believe was killed.
Then the Catholic church waged war on Christian’s and killed millions all the way to the early 1900s.
Then you have Islam that’s been killing Christians for hundreds of years to this day.
We just witnessed a few years ago genocide by ISIS in Iraq.
Right now in Africa Christian’s are being persecuted, raped, tortured, sold into slavery and killed by the thousands, this has been happening since I can remember.
My question is, what makes us American Christian’s any better than the MILLIONS before and the present that’s died for their faith in Jesus?
Jerome T Morris
The preacher’s that preach this need to go to Iran and see how long they will live..
Pretribulation is American made by weak preacher’s that think Americans are a special type of Christians that has a get out of tribulation ticket and it’s not sound doctrine.
Louise Cummings
We don’t think we are special. But I think God is. That has always been merciful to those that lives and obeys His Word. He has always fought their battles from the beginning of time. You look at Enoch. He translated Him. And Noah. God had given all of them warning. The Bible said Noah found Grace in the Eyes Of The Lord. So the Lord told Noah to build an Ark to escape the folks He was sending to destroy The wickedness going on , on the earth. But He preserved the one that found Grace in His Eyes. So has it been all through the Bible. Just read it. He’s also making a way for Christians. He says it to one of the Churches in Revelation. He said. Because you have kept the Word Of Patients. And has not denied my Name. I Will keep you from the hour that’s coming upon the earth to try them. Keep from , doesn’t sound like go through to me. For those that Love Him and keeled His Word. He will make a way this time also. Why would He Leave us out. When He told those in Thessalonians , that was worried was going to happen to their love ones that had died before He came back. He told them not to worry. When I come back to get you. I’ll raise them first. Then all of you that are living when I come. I will Change You In A Moment. , in a Twinkling Of an Eye. And you will be caught up together. To meet the Lord in the air. ( I guess some of you doesn’t want to sail through the air to meet the Lord. While all the Tribulations are going on. I guess you just want to stay here and miss the Rapture , where you can find out the Antichrist is going to be revealed. Because the Bible makes it clear to me. That the Church will have to be gone before the Antichrist can be revealed. Why because He is taking care of His Children. ).
Varnel Watson
Robert Erwine Wouldnt you agree that such speculation is premature? Dispensationalism came from baptist seminaries not from classical Pentecostals. It was based on the Spirit working and not working in certain ages. Pentecostals have always believed the Spirit is working in all ages and is not limited to dispensations.
Robert Erwine
agreed !
Varnel Watson
I also agree with you that dispensational denominationalism tried to take over Pentecostals. We’ve discussed this before with Peter Vandever Even the iHOP church went dispensational recently http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/mike-bickle-of-ihop-just-endorsed-ted-cruz/
Varnel Watson
yes Jerome T Morris there are 3 – I wonder how many of them come from the Roman Church 🙂
Jerome T Morris
Right
Richard Hebert Jr.
the day coming that not one person accepts Christ as Lord and Savior, that day is in vain. feel me? If in vain because the Church of Jesus Chroist is thus full and complete, why waste another purposeless minute in vain?
Bjørn Freebird Eggum
The question assumes that He has not returned. But, what if Jesus was right when He said his coming would happen in the generation of the disciples? (Matt 24)
Louise Cummings
We know for sure He hasn’t com yet. But He will come. When the time is right. You don’t have to found a word , He says.
Varnel Watson
Trump? Ricky Grimsley Jan Dixon Sykes
Jan Dixon Sykes
As far as I’m concerned, the constitution covers only American citizens. You don’t see British people quoting our constitution about free speech in their country. They don’t have it. American citizens do. Just standing on our soil should not give anyone our rights as citizens. Not if they are here illegally.
Jerome T Morris
I agree Jan..
Varnel Watson
Jan Dixon Sykes Along with the Constitution there is a clear print Immigration Law in power. That law requires (not just give right but require) any naturalization candidate to appear
before a judge
in a court of law
in order to deny any allegiance to any foreign king, royalty or power
BEFORE becoming a citizen. Are you saying we have now abolished this law as well?
Jan Dixon Sykes
I’m saying I disagree with the premise. Lawyers like to play semantics & say since the Bill of Rights uses “person” instead of “citizen,” it included illegals. But I see the word “person” to mean “individual” instead of “the government,“ which the constituition refers to as either “the United States” or “the States.”
Varnel Watson
Is this whats keeping Christ from coming back?
Louise Cummings
I think the reason He hasn’t come back yet , is the time is not yet full. I know that’s elementary, to the things y’all understand and know.
Varnel Watson
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