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The Seers were there, seeing the future and proclaiming it to the present through nothing less than a prophetic presence. For the Seers must be seen in order to reveal the vision they have seen in the Spirit, in order that both the world and church blinded by sin, can see the vision of the unseen and invisible God. 
Charles Page
There is a Seer’s tower in Memphis. It is a tall abandoned building. The Seers have a tower in Chicago!
Charles Page
We used a Seer’s catalog in the outhouse.
Ricky Grimsley
They couldn’t have been there. The future doesnt exist.
Charles Page
Revelation was a foretelling of soon coming events recorded just after Nero died. Many want to make it a recorded history of things that took place in 70 AD.
Charles Page
he was shown things that were to come about soon.
Ricky Grimsley
Again when did revelation 9 happen
Charles Page
right at or before AD 70 at the close of the GT period.
Ricky Grimsley
What historical event does it represent?
Charles Page
a lot of events It is global in scope including things earthly and heavenly
Charles Page
basic it ended the Judahistic ceremonial religious system for ever.
Ricky Grimsley
Really. The bottomless pit opened up and the scorpion things came out and people and people couldnt die for five months…..but all that happened was the “judahistic” covenant ends?
Charles Page
I like it when Ricky comments. It’s like riding a merry go round.
Ricky Grimsley
Sorry just trying to figure out your justification for preterism besides the “the book of revelation is nonsense”
Charles Page
merrily we go round
Ricky Grimsley
Can you at least come up some historical justification for the mark of the beast or the image of the beast coming alive? Or the 144000 virgins or any part of revelation? You don’t agree with open-theism but at least i have some scriptures?
Charles Page
all that is recorded in Matthew 24 and Revelation transpired by AD 70 Daniel and Ezekiel foretold it with accuracy.
Charles Page
you have proof text out of context scriptures
Ricky Grimsley
And the book of revelation?
Ricky Grimsley
And this. Did the jews sail to america and preach the gospel Matthew 24:14 KJVS
[14] And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Ricky Grimsley
Youve been watching to much perry stone
Charles Page
Paul testified to the gospel going into all the world. That was accomplished before the start of the tribulation.
Ricky Grimsley
Really….like the book of mormon? Did one of the apostles get translated to north america?
Charles Page
you question Paul?
Ricky Grimsley
No i question the interpretation. Colossians 1:23 ESV
[23] if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.
This scripture aligns with Psalm 19:1-3 KJVS
[1] The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. [2] Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [3] There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
Romans 1:20 KJVS
[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Not with paul sailing to america to preach to the aztecs.
Charles Page
Christ said the gospel shall be proclaimed and then the end comes and Paul said the gospel has gone forth so you have Christ and Paul to answer to.
Ricky Grimsley
That isnt what is says. It sounds like to me that all creation is proclaiming the gospel not that the gospel has been proclaimed to creation which is obviously not true. Colossians 1:23 ESV
[23] if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.
Ricky Grimsley
Charles Page the end didnt come. Here we are?
Charles Page
For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
Charles Page
Ricky Grimsley The end came at AD 70
Charles Page
A simple reasonable rendering is all we need not the dispensational speculations of 1900’s theories
Charles Page
all we wait for is the bodily resurrection and fiery culmination of all things and then we stand in an innumerable multitude before the Lord.
Ricky Grimsley
Again.. If you can tell me when rev 9 happened?
Nelson Banuchi
I can’t access the original post; it goes to a blank FB page saying it is unavailable.
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Charles Page
Foresaw 70 AD