The Political Theology of Russian Election Meddling

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With all the documentation of Russian collusion piling up, President Trump’s best excuse may be that his people were too incompetent to organize a conspiracy. Luckily for him, an innocent-by-reason-of-stupidity defense has the virtue of being plausible. This week brings word that the Trump campaign was in direct contact with WikiLeaks, described by Trump’s own CIA director as “a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia.” And who was the point of contact? D’oh! Donald Junior — asking privately for information from WikiLeaks, which at one point suggested an action that the candidate took, in part, just minutes later.

  • Kushner had contacts about WikiLeaks, Russian overtures he did not disclose
  • Jeff Sessions just threw a wet blanket on President Trump’s Russia dossier conspiracy theory
  • White House divided over scope, risks of Russia probe
  • Trump says Putin sincere in denial of Russian meddling
  • Election officials move closer to placing new rules on Facebook and Google
  • “God only knows what it’s doing to our children’s brains,” Sean Parker said in the interview published Thursday.
  • Collapse of German coalition talks deals Merkel blow, raises suspects of new elections
  • Facebook’s first president, on Facebook: ‘God only knows what it’s doing to our children’s brains’
  • rump blasts critics on Russia as ‘haters and fools’; calls North Korean leader ‘short and fat’
  • FCC just repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcast media
  • ‘Any Russians?’: Sessions pokes fun at fervor over Kremlin
  • Rising alarm in Britain over Russian meddling in Brexit vote
  • Russia is using a video game to ‘prove’ the U.S. is letting ISIS flee Syria
  • After Russian meddling, Google and Facebook shift their stance on a crucial issue for voters
  • AT&T and the Justice Department are at odds
  • TV stations are about to track you and sell targeted ads, just like Google and Facebook

115 Comments

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 22, 2017

    Troy Day

    Stan Wayne I for one believe this to be true. Too many clues out there just to be another internet hoax William DeArteaga Ira Huth Street Preacherz

  • Street Preacherz
    Reply November 22, 2017

    Street Preacherz

    Mix – Tasha Cobbs – Break Every Chain (Lyrics): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pD2zIuiC2g&list=RD-pD2zIuiC2g

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 22, 2017

    Troy Day

    well Street Preacherz when fb and twitter are admitting it before congress even Stan Wayne is quite 🙂

    • Street Preacherz
      Reply November 22, 2017

      Street Preacherz

      No words can express the joy that comes with doing God’s will for your life. Some folks are called to this. I’m not. I’m grateful for everything you do. We need faithful men in this arena. God bless.
      Right now I’m trying bring a few men together to hit the streets of Chicago. I don’t know that they trust me yet. It’s fun and it’s heartbreaking it’s great joy and grieving. Success and failure, a little measure of each as God enables us…

    • Street Preacherz
      Reply November 22, 2017

      Street Preacherz

      I backslid last month or so and told Paul Ryan from Wisconsin to get his act together and balance the budget. I think I deleted it…

  • John E. Ruffle
    Reply November 22, 2017

    John E. Ruffle

    So.. what if Russia was involved?

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 22, 2017

    Troy Day

    makes it unfair – what if Russia changed the Queen tomorrow

    • John E. Ruffle
      Reply November 22, 2017

      John E. Ruffle

      Well Hillary should be happy.. One step closer to a OWG

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 22, 2017

      Troy Day

      is The TRUMP Dossier 75-90% truth?

  • Stan Wayne
    Reply November 22, 2017

    Stan Wayne

    Yes Hillary and The Ruskies were meddling in our Uranium – Trump won anyway

  • Joshua A. Humphries
    Reply November 22, 2017

    Joshua A. Humphries

    That head wound has miraculously healed! 😉😂🤣

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 23, 2017

    Troy Day

    Stan No one in America can be selling uranium single handily all while TRUMP single handily was in touch with Russia to get help and be elected. Now is time for a pay off. The largest one in American history…

  • Nathan Glenn
    Reply November 23, 2017

    Nathan Glenn

    Is liberal Pentecostals an oxymoron ?

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 23, 2017

    Troy Day

    Nathan even if they are they exist in an oxymoronic state Have you heard of the Pentecostal queer dialogue?

  • Nathan Glenn
    Reply November 23, 2017

    Nathan Glenn

    A bipartisan special counsel has produced nothing of any weight concerning Russian collusion. Any wrong doing is being prosecuted. This is old news. Continuing to beat a dead horse will never get Hillary in office. How about the Donna Brazille story and the stolen Democratic primary? When will that be prosecuted? Uranium One? Benghazi, Email scandal, Fast & Furious, I could go on and on. Both parties are corrupt and need cleaned out and Trump is doing just that! Is he a saint?No. Does he have a big mouth? Yes. Is he doing exactly what he said he would do? Absolutely! Clean out both sides of the aisle Mr. trump! Defending either side and attacking Trump shows an absolute ignorance to our modern political landscape in America. Your CNN talking points makes you look very uninformed. Do your homework and get back with us! #drainingtheproverbialswamp

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 23, 2017

    Troy Day

    oops have you actually read the testimonies from fb and twitter testimonies; officials It was pretty solidly established there if you ask me Most definitely no one in the US can sell uranium without committees, expertise and so on. Just cant happen. While meetings of Trump’s son and attorney general with Russian officials did happen. Did you watch AG’s testimony? Did he lie in his testimony or in his signed declaration that he did not meet with the Russians. It was pretty obvious on TV. And yes DEMS administration was crooked. So was the Bushes

    * Kushner had contacts about WikiLeaks, Russian overtures he did not disclose
    * Jeff Sessions just threw a wet blanket on President Trump’s Russia dossier conspiracy theory
    * White House divided over scope, risks of Russia probe
    * Election officials move closer to placing new rules on Facebook and Google WHY?
    * FCC just repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcast media

    BTW John E. Ruffle Rising alarm in Britain over Russian meddling in Brexit vote

    *After Russian meddling, Google and Facebook shift their stance on a crucial issue for voters – WHY?

  • Nathan Glenn
    Reply November 23, 2017

    Nathan Glenn

    Those are being investigated the democratic ones are not!Russian interference had zero to do with Trumps win. The evidence is very thin, if any. Meetings & sitting at tables with Russians is not illegal or corrupt. Those have been looked into, the democratic corruption has not been. Did Trump play hard core dirty politics against the Clintons? Yes, but nothing illegal has been proven. Did they fix their primary? No! Did the Dems? Yes! Why aren’t they being investigated?Hillary was only one of many involved in the Uranium One scandal. We know her payoffs yet the others are not being investigated. How about the multiple mysterious deaths connected to Clinton informants? The Clintons deserve prison, multiple felonies have been committed yet no investigation. Seems like everyone is on their payroll. Our government sickens me on both sides! The problem was there long before Trump arrived!

  • James P Bowers
    Reply November 23, 2017

    James P Bowers

    It’s very dangerous to excuse Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, Roy Moore, or anyone with the relativistic reasoning that “they all do it.” Sure, politics is rife with opportunities for misdeeds because power and wealth are on the table and human beings are sinful. I hope we don’t reason that the inevitability of sinful deeds among humans means it doesn’t concern us if persons sin or politicians are corrupt. The point of law is to constrain sinful tendencies in the civil arena. We may know that sooner or later someone will get caught with their hand in the cookie jar, but we don’t just throw away the jar or the prohibition. If Hillary Clinton actually committed prosecutable crimes, she should be prosecuted. The FBI cleared her. If Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with Russians, he and they should be prosecuted. That, in either case, does not make their political ideology right or wrong. If we decide what is criminal and lawful strictly or even primarily by political alignments, we set ourselves up for any evil form of despotism imaginable. Law must rule in criminal acts, not politics. Otherwise, get ready for our own Hitler and any matter of mischief.

  • Nathan Glenn
    Reply November 23, 2017

    Nathan Glenn

    The FBI only investigated her emails, it was not an exhaustive investigation into the laundry list of other criminal acts. Absolutely, if Trump is guilty prosecute him as well. I’m not wanting to give anyone a pass. But no one is above the law, even the Clinton/DNC machine!

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 23, 2017

    Troy Day

    Nathan Glenn James P Bowers Could care less about Hil; my questions is WHAT we as pentecostal holiness church are going to do with the injustice in the nation? What is our stand? Is supporting crooked Trump (or Hillary) the best we can do?

  • James P Bowers
    Reply November 23, 2017

    James P Bowers

    Social justice, in my view, is less of a stand than action. What are we going to DO about injustice? I’m tired of meaningless rhetoric- the COG and others have been pumping out largely irrelevant “Resolutions” ad nauseam. How about practicing equality for women and persons of color in our own churches for starters? How about getting off the homophobic bandwagon and responding missionally not politically to those of different sexual orientation or ethnic background? How about disavowing the culture of fear propagated by Fox News and other far right groups? How about engaging in civil disobedience and NOT voting or endorsing “conservative” politicians whose personal morality we reject just because they claim to be pro-life and hate Muslims who we are called to love to Jesus? I’m afraid I just don’t see much institutionally in Pentecostal denominations to give me hope we will embrace radical holiness. I hope I’m wrong, but I doubt it.

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 23, 2017

    Troy Day

  • MarvinandCheryl Ellis
    Reply November 24, 2017

    MarvinandCheryl Ellis

    What has any of it got to do with Pentecostal Theology.

  • John E. Ruffle
    Reply November 24, 2017

    John E. Ruffle

    MarvinandCheryl Ellis that’s precisely why I left the group for a year and may well leave again.

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 24, 2017

    Troy Day

    MarvinandCheryl Ellis John E. Ruffle We are looking for a Pentecostal response to a spiritual crises in the land. This is precisely what Pentecostal theology does. In the past 30 years the only civil action response from the conservative side of Pentecostal theology has been NAR – new apostolic reformation which is more charismatic than pentecostal in orientation but searches to represent the whole Pentecostal tradition suma magna. In more resent decades the political theology wing in the Pentecostal tradition has become more and more out spoken. More charismatic circles were actually connected with several of the presidential candidates in the 2016 US election race. G12 churches have been involved in several separatists oppositions in Latin America and now in Span. Protestant charistmaic pastor led elections in Germany, then in Macedonia and Ukrain. We are looking for a proper Pentecostal response to what is going on in the world around us. And this is not a new thing within our tradition. Early American Pentecostals were for the very political Prohibition Acts, they were open pacifists and outspoken against the wars.

    Wouldnt it be plain ignorant to watch the news around us and NOT establish a proper theological response? Jesus Himself spoke openly about kings, princes, royalties and the establishment. What would your response be as Pentecostals?

  • John E. Ruffle
    Reply November 24, 2017

    John E. Ruffle

    Why are you drawing a distinction between Penticistals and charismatic? Would it not be better to use the label “penticistalist” – spelt correctly of course! 😎

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 24, 2017

    Troy Day

    This is why we will have no proper Pentecostal response – because we chose to mock and question the search of others for a better theology. I can excuse John E. Ruffle for coming from a Catholic background but MarvinandCheryl Ellis graduated from Lee and PTS and should know better

  • MarvinandCheryl Ellis
    Reply November 24, 2017

    MarvinandCheryl Ellis

    So because I see no connection between politics and theology I should no better. Oh well I guess I am one of the grab that thinks theology should be Bible oriented rather than political. I also have an M. Div. From the Pentecostal Seminary there in Cleveland. I attended Lee University but did not get a degree from there. Evidently you don’t know me as well as you thought you did.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 24, 2017

      Troy Day

      Political theology investigates the ways in which theological concepts or ways of thinking relate to politics, society, and economics. Though the relationship between Christianity and politics has been debated since the time of Jesus, political theology has been an academic discipline ever since https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_theology

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 24, 2017

    Troy Day

    Just trying to answer your question. Sorry you feel this way I guess I expected better. Pentecostal silence in the face of fear is disappointing IMHO

  • MarvinandCheryl Ellis
    Reply November 24, 2017

    MarvinandCheryl Ellis

    But there is a difference in Political Theology and Pentecostal Theology. I am a conservative Republican and a Trump supporter but that doesn’t enter my pulpit. God sets up governments and takes them down. To say I should know better when a simple question was asked is quite offensive to me. The above statement would have sufficed. I also hold a Doctorate of Theology and a Doctorate of Divinity degree just so you know me better.

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 24, 2017

    Troy Day

    How does it not enter your pulpit? Do you have a US flag on your right hand side when you preach? Do you ask for a 501c3 exempt offering? Did you present your congregation with a transgender bathroom resolution? BTW Most of us in this group hold doctoral degrees. Around here that and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks (also very political http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/starbucks-and-christmas-cups/)

    • Ira Huth
      Reply November 24, 2017

      Ira Huth

      Troy Day what I believe the point that MarvinandC
      heryl Ellis is trying to make is and this is the point that I and others are saying to you is. What I just posted in my previous comments that with all due respect and with the love of Christ is that your statements, content and view points is more from a human, worldly, politically, socially perspective than Spirtually with the foundation and principles.
      That is what is meant when said political theology and Pentecostal theology.

  • MarvinandCheryl Ellis
    Reply November 24, 2017

    MarvinandCheryl Ellis

    I have no time for arguments and contentions.

  • Ira Huth
    Reply November 24, 2017

    Ira Huth

    My Brother Troy Day and all the other Brother’s and Sister’s in this Group. I’M JUST A SIMPLE MAN THAT LOVES AND TRUST GOD, LOVES AND TRUST JESUS, LOVES AND TRUSTS THE HOLY SPIRIT WITH ALL MY HEART AND ALL MY BEING. I ALSO LOVE THE CHURCH, THE BODY OF CHRIST AND ALL SINNERS. AND I HAVE A GODLY FEAR THAT ONE DAY WHEN I MEET AND BOW DOWN PROCLAIMING JESUS IS LORD THAT I WILL NOT MISS THE MARK ON WHAT AND HOW THE WORD OF GOD TELLS TO BE FOLLOWERS OF JESUS WITHIN THIS WORLD OF SPIRITUAL WARFARE. NOT THE WASHINGTON POST, FOX NEWS, CBN, CONGRESSIONAL SOURCES, OR THE WHITE HOUSE OR ANY OTHER HUMAN/ WORDLY SOURCE, BUT THE WORD OF GOD IN POWER THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT. MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE PENTECOSTAL, NAR, CATHOLIC, DEGREES OR NO DEGREE ECT.. THAT IS THE RESPONSE AND THE ONLY RESPONSE THE SIMPLICITY OF THE WORD OF GOD IN WISDOM AND POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
    THERE ARE THINGS Troy Day AND ALL OTHERS THAT ARE IN THIS GROUP THAT JUST HAPPEN THAT IS OUT OF CONTROL, WHETHER IT’S GOVERNMENT, POLITICS ETC.. WE ARE TO DO THE BEST WE CAN, (AND LISTEN TO THIS) WITH WHAT WE CAN AND LEAVE THE REST UP TO GOD. JUST BECAUSE WE DO THE BEST WE CAN DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES AND LACK OF RESOURCES THAT IS OUT OF OUR CONTROL DOES NOT MEAN THAT IS WRONG. GOD IS IN CONTROL NOT US, UNLESS WE THINK, FEEL AND ACT THAT IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CHANGE ISSUES THAT IS OUT OF OUR CONTROL. THAT MY BROTHER’S AND SISTERS IS NOT IN THE WILL OF GOD AND NOT IN THE WORD OF GOD. AND WE ALL KNOW AND CAN QUOTE SO MANY EXAMPLES IN THE DOCUMENTED HISTORY OF THE WORD WHERE THIS HAS CAUSED SO MANY PROBLEMS TRYING TO SOLVE ISSUES THAT IS NOT UNDER DIRECT CONTROL. WHICH CAUSES US TO BE OUT OF THE UNSEEN WILL OF GOD.
    For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
    Isaiah 55:9 KJV
    http://bible.com/1/isa.55.9.KJV
    Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
    Proverbs 3:5‭-‬6 KJV
    http://bible.com/1/pro.3.5-6.KJV

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 24, 2017

    Troy Day

    Bro Ira The question was asked to poll a response from the group from a theological stand point. Then I was personally questioned of the connection with Pentecostal theology by bro. MarvinandCheryl Ellis which I promptly answered. If it is the opinion of the group that we should be quite and not ask question as related to our faith and the political involvement in it, I have no problem deleting the OP Would silence help find better answers?

    • Ira Huth
      Reply November 24, 2017

      Ira Huth

      Not silence my Brother, content and perspective based on the Word of God , scriptures not the Washington Post, Fox News and or other resources.

    • MarvinandCheryl Ellis
      Reply November 24, 2017

      MarvinandCheryl Ellis

      Ira Huth has expressed my feelings completely.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 24, 2017

      Troy Day

      Ira Huth From my personal conviction and understanding of the Bible, the AB should not be lying live on national TV. In my perception that’s exactly what he was doing while presented documented proof showed likewise. Even more proof that Russia’s Prophetic Destiny is Unfolding as predicted by the Bible There, in the Bible, book of Rev claims global media will be implemented to deceive God’s people in the last days. IMO we are witnessing exactly that and it is worth my time to inform about it http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/russias-prophetic-destiny-unfolding-with-antichrist-rising-out-of-syria/

    • Ira Huth
      Reply November 24, 2017

      Ira Huth

      Bro. MarvinandCheryl Ellis as I was reading one of your previous comments the Holy Spirit quicken me to share this testimony with you. This actually happened before I joined this Group. I was getting frustrated with some of the negative things that was posted on FB and the Holy Spirit quicken me by putting this thought and desire in my Spirit. Just continue to shine and promote the truth of my Spirit, Word and Precepts and leave the rest up to me. In actually that is what we all should do if there is issues whether in our congregations, our fellowships, our assemblies or in the Body of Christ. I have thought and hope this is true that, this is why Troy Day let’s so many different types of people in this Group. None of us is perfect, but the Holy Spirit is and is the only person that can convict us of all of wrongs. I love these verses in 2 Timothy Chapter 2.
      Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
      2 Timothy 2:22‭-‬26 KJV
      http://bible.com/1/2ti.2.22-26.KJV

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 24, 2017

      Troy Day

      This is hardly a foolish and unlearned question to avoid. We are talking about the spirituality and moral decade of the nation How many who avoid political issues would stand in the pulpit and preach from 2 Chronicles 7:14 How will God forgive their sin and will heal their land? Here’s a good theological question – should AB repent on national TV when proven to have deceived the nation? This is the highest government standard for justice. Should we accept injustice and deceit to rule us all? Nero burned Rome…

    • Ira Huth
      Reply November 24, 2017

      Ira Huth

      Brother Troy Day your totally missing my point and not understanding. That is not what I’m saying.Your taking certain things personal and out of context on what I’m saying. That’s OK none of us are perfect, especially me.
      God Bless I’m done!! Love you my Brother!!!!

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 24, 2017

      Troy Day

      I speak to the issue to the best of my ability because I think it is important for all of us in the church. It affects us all. I cant help that people get their feelings hurt when Trump is mentioned in one or another scandal that has emerged along his rullership Politics should not divide the church We should continue to ask questions, search for answers and establish God’s standard on this earth … or we can avoid all issues until they re-appear as attacks on the church

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 25, 2017

    Troy Day

    The Fake News Russian Connection Stan Wayne
    • Fake news Russian farms producing some 80,000 fake news pieces during the 2016 Election’s campaign alone
    • War in Ukraine fake news bloggers who turned to support Trump campaign
    • Twitter and Facebook testifying of the Russian connection – both stocks skyrocketed in price after the testimony
    • The TRUMP Dossier 75-90% truth?
    • Trumps Hollywood tape

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 29, 2017

    Troy Day

  • Troy Day
    Reply December 1, 2017

    Troy Day

    oh no he didnt MarvinandCheryl Ellis Stan Wayne John E. Ruffle https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/us/politics/michael-flynn-guilty-russia-investigation.html

  • Street Preacherz
    Reply December 1, 2017

    Street Preacherz

    If you spent half as much time seeking God and calling on Jesus you wouldn’t have to beg come Sunday morning.
    Yours truly the 3 minute window…

  • Troy Day
    Reply December 1, 2017

    Troy Day

    So we are to believe he acted completely on his own without higher approval or direction? If Trump allowed that it would make him even more unwise

    • Ira Huth
      Reply December 1, 2017

      Ira Huth

      We will watch and wait to see what comes out in days to come. We don’t know all the details yet, like it was said in several reports. It is common practice in that position to meet with ambassadors and dignitaries. WE WILL SEE!!!!

    • Troy Day
      Reply December 1, 2017

      Troy Day

      What else needs to come up? The man already said he was guilty

    • Ira Huth
      Reply December 2, 2017

      Ira Huth

      Guilty of what, what lie what circumstances and so on. I just heard something interesting. A question was just brought to the table. The FBI already new what he said in the meeting, they had wire taps and knew exactly what was said through a ongoing surveillance of the Russian Ambassador that was already ongoing. So why did they have to question Flynn if they already had it on tape. There is more to this that will be coming out in days to come.

      https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/posts/10156355319806336

    • Ira Huth
      Reply December 2, 2017

      Ira Huth

      This is interesting Troy Day listen to the entire interview, possibly implicating someone in the Obama’s Administration. This is what I mean, we don’t have all the facts yet, it’s still ongoing.
      https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156352514416336&id=15704546335

    • Troy Day
      Reply December 2, 2017

      Troy Day

      Well it was expected that they would attack his character

  • Troy Day
    Reply December 3, 2017

    Troy Day

    A tweet posted Saturday afternoon by the president suggested that Flynn’s misstatements to the FBI were part of the rationale for Trump’s firing him 25 days into the new administration — something the White House had never asserted before and that some observers speculated could be legally problematic for Trump. The tweet was authored by Trump’s personal lawyer, John Dowd, according to two people familiar with the situation. The fact that Dowd authored the tweet could limit its salience to the investigation, but the White House still hasn’t publicly corrected anything. Bro Ira CBN and the 700 club are clearly NAR/Kingdom now theology. As Dan Irving has asserted on many occasions such theology has no choice but to back the current administration regardless of its moral stance. Otherwise, CBN/700 club /NAR/Kingdom now will have to deny their own eschatology of physical Kingdom on earth without physically present Christ.

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 25, 2018

    Troy Day

    The HELSINKI fail #major Ricky Grimsley President Trump is willing, under duress, to briefly and begrudgingly admit that Russian “meddling” took place in 2016 before reverting to calling it a “big hoax.” But he always maintains that the plot against America had no impact; he describes it as a “Democrat excuse for losing the ’16 Election.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/without-the-russians-trump-wouldnt-have-won/2018/07/24/f4c87894-8f6b-11e8-bcd5-9d911c784c38_story.html?utm_term=.b938da28e987&wpisrc=nl_az_most&wpmk=1

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 25, 2018

    Troy Day

    As Christians we love the man, but sorry, we cant love the sin and the lies

  • Sandra Hines
    Reply July 25, 2018

    Sandra Hines

    You have lost me here, because I get love the sinner not the sin, but have you been that critical of everyone in politics or just the current one? I would appreciate your posts pertaining to the last presidents and all their ‘sins’.

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 26, 2018

    Troy Day

    Sorry for the delay I am not in the habit of responding to postings during church time It’s just my thing Now if you have really followed as long you probably already know the answer to the question you posed. Here are our discussions on

    OBAMA http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/?s=obama
    BUSH http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/?s=bush
    CLINTON http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/?s=clinton
    CARTER http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/?s=carter
    NIXON http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/?s=nixon

  • Troy Day
    Reply February 27, 2019

    Troy Day

  • Troy Day
    Reply February 27, 2019

    Troy Day

    U.S. House votes to block Trump’s emergency order over border wall
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ogbLlA1Qsc

  • Troy Day
    Reply February 27, 2019

    Troy Day

    Gutfeld on Bernie Sanders’ socialist dreams https://video.foxnews.com/v/6007530194001/

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 27, 2019

      Troy Day

      Henry Volk he is on the move again 🙂

  • Troy Day
    Reply February 27, 2019

    Troy Day

    5 min ago
    Cohen: I hope my testimony ‘helps in order to heal America’
    16 min ago
    Cohen’s closing remarks: ‘My loyalty to Mr. Trump has cost me everything’
    16 min ago
    This exchange at the hearing says so much about America right now
    17 min ago
    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez just assured this hearing is only the beginning

    “Given my experience working for Mr. Trump, I fear that if he loses the election in 2020 that there will never be a peaceful transition of power,” Cohen said. And this is why I agreed to appear before you today.”

    • Sandra Hines
      Reply February 27, 2019

      Sandra Hines

      There’s not yet a peaceful transition in President Trumps term.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 27, 2019

      Troy Day

      Thanks for the comment but I dont make it a habit po post during church time #sorry Nelson Banuchi What’s wrong with a convicted criminal seeking a reduction in sentence???

    • Nelson Banuchi
      Reply February 27, 2019

      Nelson Banuchi

      Troy Day Nothing…

  • Troy Day
    Reply February 27, 2019

    Troy Day

    Nelson Banuchi Bob Wizenhut Michael Cohen Accuses Trump of Expansive Pattern of Lies and Criminality Cohen laid out for Congress for the first time a series of deceptions by the president. He charged that Mr. Trump lied to the public about business interests in Russia, lied to reporters about stolen Democratic emails and told Mr. Cohen to lie about hush payments to cover up https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/27/us/politics/michael-cohen-trump.html

  • Nelson Banuchi
    Reply February 27, 2019

    Nelson Banuchi

    IMO, no such thing as “Christian Socialism.”

  • Troy Day
    Reply February 27, 2019

    Troy Day

    Mr. Cohen said. “He never expected to win the general election. The campaign, for him, was always a marketing opportunity.” But now, he said, he fears that if Mr. Trump loses re-election next year, “there will never be a peaceful transition of power.”

    • Nelson Banuchi
      Reply February 27, 2019

      Nelson Banuchi

      First, there were reports during the election that Trump did not expect to win and was not bothered by it. Second, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump tries to make a grab for a 2nd term if he loses in 2020… especially, it his opponent is a woman who brought his ego down a few notches.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 28, 2019

      Troy Day

      this ONE thing seems to be true – MOST we said in 2016 and 2017 on the topic is coming to be true I know Bob Wizenhut tried to explain it away BUT as as soon as Cohen blew the whistle it was clear many if not ALL accusations were true I would like to know NOW that we were right once again HOW much influence did Russia have on our elections since Trump didnt even expect to WIN 2016 Ilya Okhotnikov may have the answer or Henry Volk

    • Bob Wizenhut
      Reply February 28, 2019

      Bob Wizenhut

      Well there wasn’t a peaceful transition of power when President Trump unexpectedly won the election. As we all now know, leaders in the FBI & State Department conspired to reverse the results of the election by creating a false narrative of collusion with Russia. So now Mr. Cohen is suggesting that President Trump would engineer the same dirty tricks if he isn’t reelected? Sounds to me like someone has something serious on him and is forcing him to blame President Trump for doing the same things that they are doing. That’s the playbook. Blame others for the same crimes you are doing.

    • Henry Volk
      Reply February 28, 2019

      Henry Volk

    • Henry Volk
      Reply February 28, 2019

      Henry Volk

      Troy Day

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 28, 2019

      Troy Day

      Bob Wizenhut dont care about all that Were we right in our assessment in this group in 2017-2018 Yes we were Does this mean we are right about 2020?

    • Bob Wizenhut
      Reply February 28, 2019

      Bob Wizenhut

      Troy Day – not sure I understood your sentence but what, exactly, was your assessment in 2017/18? That the Democrat Party would get so desperate that they would put the Rat on the stand to distract from the President’s soaring approval rating? And what, exactly is your prediction for 2020? I say that President Trump wins with more electoral votes than he did in 2016. What say you?

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 28, 2019

      Troy Day

      Bob like I said As long as we agree Cohen is right with his information on the Russian involvement we are OK

    • Bob Wizenhut
      Reply March 1, 2019

      Bob Wizenhut

      Troy Day – want involvement is Cohen claiming? I thought he was denying every being there and had confirmed that there was no collaboration with Russia. From the reports I’ve read the only claim Cohen is making, which is an old claim, is that Trump paid hush money, which isn’t a crime. But let’s agree that Cohen has no credibility.

    • Bob Wizenhut
      Reply March 1, 2019

      Bob Wizenhut

  • Bob Wizenhut
    Reply March 1, 2019

    Bob Wizenhut

    So why did Cohen change his tune? Did someone threaten to squeeze his balls hard if he didn’t or does he see a business opportunity, if he can escape life in prison after new lies to Congress?

  • Troy Day
    Reply March 1, 2019

    Troy Day

    Bob Wizenhut all this does not really matter in our convo – I am concern with us being truthful her while lots of ppl get mad and bashing this or that As long as we made the RIGHT conclusions before their time I am pleased – Crooks be crooks but we are still led by GOD

    • Bob Wizenhut
      Reply March 1, 2019

      Bob Wizenhut

      OK, so I have no idea what the conversation was about. I’m just responding to your inserting Cohen’s testimony into the conversation, whatever that was. And now I’m wondering what the angle is for this guy. Somebody must have some dirt on this man for him to risk even more prison time by coming out and intentionally lying to Congress.

    • Troy Day
      Reply March 1, 2019

      Troy Day

      All you’ve got to do is click the picture/link and read the questions BTW some of your comments are there too as it seems you knew the OP – – – but to simplify Russia helped Trump win the elections which he didnot think he can win alone and used them only as a marketing campaign to promote Moscow tower and make hundreds of millions from it Nelson Banuchi http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-political-theology-of-russian-election-meddling/

  • Troy Day
    Reply March 2, 2019

    Troy Day

    Bob Wizenhut why should Congress waste time with love letters?

    • Bob Wizenhut
      Reply March 2, 2019

      Bob Wizenhut

      Congress should certainly focus on a positive agenda of moving the country forward. It should be clear, in hindsight, that calling Cohen to testify doesn’t do anything to move the country forward, to bring people together across partisan lines, or even help Democrats get an alternative message out to compete with the President’s message of make America great and urban renewal for black America.

    • Troy Day
      Reply March 2, 2019

      Troy Day

      I think we are pretty clear on what really happened Russian intrusions should be persecuted Any more digging may soon result in presidential limbo or removal

  • Troy Day
    Reply March 2, 2019

    Troy Day

    Robert Borders Bob Wizenhut I don’t know the details of the Green New Deal, but I can tell you that socialism would take away more than America’s burgers! If they had their way, they’d control every aspect of our lives—all at the expense & disrespect of our freedoms & Judeo-Christian foundatio

  • Troy Day
    Reply March 3, 2019

    Troy Day

    Bob Wizenhut did you catch the speech last night You see where he is going right 🙂 It has been realized his policies in response to communistic countries are turning into communistic policies NOW he has to control the story and say no no I am not a commi Should have held the Reagan doctrine to start with calling them Empire of Evil and dont give into Russia, Korea and Maduro – but he cant Because they helped him with the elections – now walk the thin ice

  • Troy Day
    Reply March 5, 2019

    Troy Day

    Bob Wizenhut Trump has evinced little respect for the rule of law, attempting to have the Department of Justice launch criminal probes into his critics and political adversaries. He has repeatedly attacked both Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Special Counsel Robert Mueller. His efforts to mislead, impede, and shut down Mueller’s investigation have now led the special counsel to consider whether the president obstructed justice.

    As for the liberties guaranteed by the Constitution, Trump has repeatedly trampled upon them. He pledged to ban entry to the United States on the basis of religion, and did his best to follow through. He has attacked the press as the “enemy of the people” and barred critical outlets and reporters from attending his events. He has assailed black protesters. He has called for his critics in private industry to be fired from their jobs. He has falsely alleged that America’s electoral system is subject to massive fraud, impugning election results with which he disagrees as irredeemably tainted. Elected officials of both parties have repeatedly condemned such statements, which has only spurred the president to repeat them. https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/03/05/trump-impeachment-a-matter-of-when-not-if/

    • Troy Day
      Reply March 5, 2019

      Troy Day

      Bob Wizenhut whats your take on thi NEW impeach move? Philip Williams have you heard Dr Brown addressing it?

    • Bob Wizenhut
      Reply March 5, 2019

      Bob Wizenhut

      I don’t disagree that the press is the enemy of the people. I believe that President Trump genuinely wants to restore the rule of law. But to do that, those that have used the FBI & Dept of Justice to change the results of an election will need to be held accountable. It is my belief that people need to go to prison before Americans will believe in the rule of law.

    • Troy Day
      Reply March 5, 2019

      Troy Day

      67 senators was required to remove Clinton from office. Fifty senators voted to remove Clinton on the obstruction of justice charge and 45 voted to remove him on the perjury charge; Clinton, like Johnson a century earlier, was acquitted on all charges.

    • Troy Day
      Reply March 5, 2019

      Troy Day

      HOW do you feel impeachment will help today? NOW you are arguing against your own arguments BTW just for legal terms you cant say NO evidence when you have collaborating witnesses openly testifying in court in favor of the accusation

  • Bob Wizenhut
    Reply March 5, 2019

    Bob Wizenhut

    Someone needs to go to prison. If there is any evidence of collusion with Russia, everyone in the administration that was involved should go to prison. But if Mueller releases a report and as expected there is no basis for collusion then McCabe, Comey and everyone that engineered the special council, knowing the charges were fabricated, needs to go to prison.

  • Troy Day
    Reply March 13, 2019

    Troy Day

    Nelson Banuchi Hugh Lowrie Paul Manafort’s final date with his legal destiny on Wednesday — barring a presidential pardon — is sure to show why impeachment talk will not be quelled by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s fresh attempts to tamp it down.

    The former Trump campaign chairman is set to appear in court in Washington in a sentencing hearing that will mark a rare moment of closure for Robert Mueller’s special counsel investigation, which still has multiple open loops.
    The appearance is certain to spark a new round of intrigue and speculation about the ultimate destination and implications of the Russia inquiry, which has embroiled President Donald Trump since his first days in office and poses a serious threat to his presidency.
    The fallout from the hearing may show just how difficult it will be for Pelosi to keep liberal demands for impeachment in check. That’s because the President will likely find it almost impossible not to weigh in on what happens in the courtroom. His comments and criticism will revive the question of whether he is planning a pardon for Manafort and potentially other indicted associates, the prospect of which plays into allegations of obstruction of justice and abuse of power.

    • Hugh Lowrie
      Reply March 13, 2019

      Hugh Lowrie

      The President won’t pardon Manafort because there is nothing from the President to gain from doing so. Manafort is going to jail for crimes that have nothing to do with Trump; crimes that happened long before the Trump campaign. There were once high hopes that investigations would yield some evidence that candidate Trump colluded with Russia. Now the smart money, on both sides of the aisle, is betting that Mueller is going to wrap up his investigations after being unable to establish such a claim. Pelosi remembers how President Clinton was rescued by impeachment. He was impeached and it saved his Presidency. And that was with hard evidence that he had committed serious crimes. Impeaching President Trump, in the absence of hard evidence, would make him a hero greater than President Reagan and propel him to a landslide reelection victory – taking back the House in the process.

    • Troy Day
      Reply March 13, 2019

      Troy Day

      NO pardon proves Russian meddling it seems

    • Hugh Lowrie
      Reply March 13, 2019

      Hugh Lowrie

      You’ve hit the nail on the head. Mueller’s investigation is all about creating intrigue and speculation. His investigation will wrap up this week with zero Americans charged with colluding.

    • Hugh Lowrie
      Reply March 13, 2019

      Hugh Lowrie

      But I the absence of any evidence that a crime has been committed, with no evidence of a crime, much less Trump involved, they will work to keep the speculation alive.

  • Troy Day
    Reply March 13, 2019

    Troy Day

    Nelson Banuchi IS IT by chance FB decided to do major update TODAY and WordPress released new unstable release that cause half of the internet websites in America to stumble BOTH on the day when Manafort’s total sentence is seven and a half years in two cases stemming from special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation.

  • Hugh Lowrie
    Reply March 14, 2019

    Hugh Lowrie

    If President Trump actually colluded with Russia, one of America’s greatest enemies, then he should be impeached with every Republican voting for conviction. But if after 2 years of investigations there is no evidence of any collusion then those that cooked up the investigation are guilty of treason and Comey, McCabe, Brennan and all the others should face significant jail time. There is no middle ground. We must return our country to the rule of law.

    The fact that Pelosi is unwilling to submit articles of impeachment suggests that she knows there is no evidence. The game now is all about creating intrigue and speculation.

  • Troy Day
    Reply March 15, 2019

    Troy Day

    North Korea reconsiders nuclear talks, missile ban: reports https://reut.rs/2F9iAQK

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