video May 16, 2019 Should people baptized as infants be baptized again? Posted by in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post Previous articleWhat happened to U.S. evangelical leaders? Next articleKeeping Premillennial rider in statement of Faith regarding the Second Coming of Christ 64 Comments Reply May 16, 2019 Jim Gilles Only after they are born again. Reply May 16, 2019 Brian Roden Just an anecdote: I was listening to Preston Sprinkle’s interview with R. C. Sproul Jr last night. Sproul was raised Presbyterian (paedobaptist) and of course was baptized as an infant. He currently attends a credo-baptist church. When applying for membership, he went to the church elders and explained that while he personally holds to paedobaptism because of his Reformed theology, and felt his baptism as an infant was valid, if they felt he should be re-baptized before joining the church, he would submit to their decision. I found that to be a very mature attitude toward it. Reply May 16, 2019 Isara Mo Were they ” baptized” in the first place?.. Reply May 16, 2019 Isara Mo The baby Jesus was an ” exceptional baby” was not baptized as an infant until he was 30 years old.. Men…can create anything then say “God said it” Reply May 16, 2019 Troy Day Joe Absher I am still wondering if Wayne Scott will pop up from somewhere claiming water baptism is work of salvation Reply May 16, 2019 Joe Absher I gonna pray for Wayne Scott again today. Him and Robert Erwine with his “may God strike me dead” remarks. Reply May 16, 2019 Troy Day pop country song calls for baptism in holy water and shine – modern day charismatics got plenty of both Alan Smith 🙂 Reply May 16, 2019 Robert Erwine The Lord have given me prophetic word and now ” you will pray for me ” oh no watch your step joe! Reply May 16, 2019 Joe Absher God bless you and keep you in Jesus name Reply May 16, 2019 Kelly Crites Both sides of this debate have a great points actually. I go with Believers baptism though. Reply May 16, 2019 Troy Day Kelly Crites what about my 3rd side? Reply May 16, 2019 Kelly Crites Troy Day for some reason I can’t see the OP. Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott if you want to be rebaptized DON’T TELL THE CALVINISTS! Back in history the Anabaptist movement was birthed by people rejecting Calvinism and returning to the simplicity of original Christianity. They not only stopped infant baptism but many of them, upon becoming adults, were rebaptized. The Anabaptists were pacifists. Calvinists stormed their towns and persecuted them. Sometimes they would line them up beside lakes and rivers, chain them with heavy irons, and force them to walk out into the water till it was over their heads. Calvinists laughingly call this “the third baptism.” Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott 🙂 Troy Day and Joe Absher. Nope. I’m not against water baptism and do not consider it to be what saves us. It is an outward expression of an inward commitment. The Churches of Christ preachers in town have tried to recruit me but I just don’t fit. 🙂 Reply May 16, 2019 Kelly Crites Wayne Scott😒😂 Reply May 16, 2019 Kelly Crites Never stops does it? Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott Kelly. I try to be as nice as Jesus was in Matt 23. I.e: 13“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.  b 15“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. Reply May 16, 2019 Kelly Crites Wayne Scott it’s weird because you don’t come across the way you think you do. You’re extremely divisive and combative. Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott I once preached a sermon entitled “Repent of the Sin of Not Name Calling.” I quoted from Jesus, Paul, and Peter. Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott Kelly. That is what my pastor told me 25 years ago when I began seeing what I’m teaching. He was telling me that he teaches the same but I just must be doing it wrong to have so many people complaining. When I told my friends that he had said this is what he teaches, they laughed. Nevertheless I labored for about a year under the burden that if I could teach this gospel perfectly then people wouldn’t get mad. Then it occurred to me that when Jesus preached it perfectly, carnal religious people murdered Him. Acts 7 51“You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit! 52Was there ever a prophet your ancestors did not persecute? They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One. And now you have betrayed and murdered him…” And in John 8:30-44 when Jesus told those faith alone believers that they had to live for God to be saved, they tried to kill Him (vs. 37). Reply May 16, 2019 Kelly Crites Wayne Scott but you believe the book that he wrote is flawed. Correct? So he must be flawed right? It also seems that you preach a Salvation that is Grace plus Works. Which is a completely different gospel than Jesus preach. You’ll gather a bunch of scriptures that you have to do eisegetical gymnastics to make it mean what you want it to mean. There is a path before each person that seems right, but it ends in death. Either you believe the scriptures or you don’t. You cannot translate them by your own opinion. You can’t just create your own Doctrine and then when people disagree act like you’re being persecuted the way that Jesus was. Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott Kelly Crites. Jesus taught true salvation by grace through faith. Can you show me where? Reply May 16, 2019 Kelly Crites Wayne Scott The Apostle Paul was chosen by Jesus himself to represent the gospel to us. Paul couldn’t have been any clearer than it is by grace that we have been saved through faith and this is not of our own doing but it is a gift from God so that no one may boast. Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott Your Honor! That was non-responsive! Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott I disagree with Reformers redefining grace and faith to make it look like Paul taught a different gospel than did his Master. The student is not above his Master. Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott I agree with MacArthur saying (1) Jesus came to preach the gospel, (2) His is the only gospel there is, and (3) if we preach another gospel we are accursed (Gal 1). Reply May 16, 2019 Kelly Crites Wayne Scott a Works based salvation is absolute heresy. We are saved by works but they are by Christ’s works. Now I agree that if a person claims to be a believer, but has no good works in his/her life, then he/she likely does not have genuine faith in Christ. But we are not saved by works but we are saved for works. Jesus said you will know them by their fruit. It would be absolutely absurd to claim to be a Christian but produce any fruit. You are saved for works that were prepared for you beforehand. Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott You “liked” my last comment but continue to ignore my question: //Jesus taught true salvation by grace through faith. Can you show me where?// Reply May 16, 2019 Kelly Crites Wayne Scott do you not believe the Apostle Paul? Did Jesus teach against faith alone? The problem here is you don’t believe in the inerrancy of scripture. If you did then you would believe this. Byyourlogic you would be one of the ones that would have to say along with the world that Jesus didn’t speak out against homosexuality but Paul did but since Jesus never preached against it and it must be okay. Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott …and can you show me salvation by grace through faith in the opening of Romans (1:1-2:16) including the salvation of the 2:12-16 person? My understanding of salvation by grace through faith allows me to see it in Jesus’ gospel and in the opening of Romans. Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott I’m a Paul fan and have out debated Paul bashers by showing them that their idea that Paul taught a different gospel is based in the Reformed habit of making up definitions for grace and faith. Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott My arguments shut down my friend’s Paul bashing site. Then my friend “unfriended” me. 🙁 Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott And he had invited me there to convert me. Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott He “unfriended” me publicly in Pelagian Theology. Reply May 16, 2019 Kelly Crites Wayne Scott Wayne just remember that all scripture is in agreement. It was written perfectly. And all scripture is god-breathed and can be used for correction. All scripture. So what Jesus said and what Paul said. I don’t know what is reformed about simply quoting scripture like we are saved by grace through faith and this is not of our own doing but it is a gift from God so that no man May boast. There’s nothing reformed about that scripture it couldn’t be any more clearer. Reply May 16, 2019 Kelly Crites Wayne Scott by the way Jesus taught in John 3 “Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life”. Now what can you possibly do to twist that into your favor? The thief had his hands and feet bound to the cross and he could not perform any good works. He could not get off the cross and get baptized, but what he could do is look to Christ and believe and be saved. And he was. Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott I know Reformers read this as “believe in the Penal Sub theory of atonement but I agree with MacArthur saying that “‘To believe’ means ‘to obey’.” And the thief on the cross had the change of heart we call repentance as evidence by him defending Jesus with his last words. Reply May 16, 2019 Kelly Crites Wayne Scott yes and then MacArthur will go on to say that he is only able to obey because he has been given a new heart first. Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott And then, in the same book, he argues twice that the Romans 3:10-18 description of vile practicing sinners describes Christians. Even Calvin did not agree with Luther on that one. And then he goes on to say that all that saves us is that Jesus paid the price for our ongoing sins, which is a gospel Jesus ever taught. And he markets the whole bait-and-switch under the name “The Gospel According to Jesus.” Reply May 16, 2019 Kelly Crites Wayne Scott and yes that is the message repent and believe the gospel. Nothing more nothing less. Reply May 16, 2019 Joe Absher have you ever noticed when you mention Jesus Christ its only to praise yourself? Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott I’m praising myself to say I follow Jesus? “Follower of Christ” used to be the definition of “Christian.” Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott Most of my posts are to say that the only gospel is the one Jesus taught. Reply May 16, 2019 Kelly Crites Wayne Scott then preach the gospel that Jesus taught brother. Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott I do. He and I preach pure repentance salvation. Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott And after the cross this is the gospel He told Paul to preach: Acts 26 15And I said, ‘Who are you, Lord?’ And the Lord said, ‘I am Jesus whom you are persecuting. 16But rise and stand upon your feet, for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to appoint you as a servant and witness to the things in which you have seen me and to those in which I will appear to you, 17delivering you from your people and from the Gentiles—to whom I am sending you 18to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’ 19“Therefore, O King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, 20but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds in keeping with their repentance. 21For this reason the Jews seized me in the temple and tried to kill me. Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott But when you mix that with the Calvinist/Lutheran idea that we cannot obey Jesus, what are you left with? Reply May 16, 2019 Kelly Crites Wayne Scott why do you always quote John MacArthur to defend yourself but you disagree with his theology completely? Reply May 16, 2019 Kelly Crites Wayne Scott I’m going to go ahead and quit this conversation. This went on longer than I wanted it to. Be blessed my brother. Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott He got some things right so I quote those to Reformers. Even a blind hog finds an acorn sometimes. 🙂 Reply May 16, 2019 Wayne Scott Blessings, Brother. Reply May 16, 2019 Nora Neel-Toney Yes because an infant doesn’t know or understand the significance of baptism Reply May 16, 2019 Louise Cummings Yes. Reply May 16, 2019 Fred Kemp No ok when they get old enough to no there doing Reply May 16, 2019 Troy Day were you baptized as a child Philip Williams Reply May 16, 2019 Philip Williams Troy Day about 14. I have my certificate but I am not sure that I understood what it was all about. So that would be equivalent to pedo-baptism. We were Pentecostal. My mother contended that her Baptist baptism was sufficient. I guess if one gets saved every year like the Baptist young people, re-baptism would be in order. Reply May 17, 2019 Troy Day We were Pentecostal – a true statement for many today with accent on were… Reply May 16, 2019 Steven Pierce Yes in Jesus name Reply May 17, 2019 Troy Day are of the oneness faith indeed? Reply May 17, 2019 Penny Moore I’m sure it is a way to dedicate the children… z a dedication is what we do Reply May 17, 2019 William DeArteaga Very interesting. I have never had a word from the Lord on this, nor felt an inclination to do it. Reply May 17, 2019 William DeArteaga I have never had a word from the Lord on this,nor had a leading to do i t. Reply May 17, 2019 Troy Day I say like Jesus – and baptize them ALL Reply May 18, 2019 Ray E Horton An infant cannot but faith in Jesus, so infant baptism is meaningless, other than maybe for dedication. When one is Born Again, they should follow-up with water baptism as an outward sign of what has already happened on the inside. Leave a Reply Click here to cancel reply. Cancel reply Comment Name Email Website This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.