Click to join the conversation with over 500,000 Pentecostal believers and scholars
Click to get our FREE MOBILE APP and stay connected
| PentecostalTheology.com
Resurrection/Rapture———————————v
The Day of The Lord———————————>/1,000 Years
Seals——1-2-3-4———–5———————–67
Trumpets——–1–2–3–4–5–6——————–7
Bowls————————————1-2-3-4-5-6-7
We are here now————>/—–/–3.5 year trib–/
90ad————————2018———————-/
Wrath of God—————————————–>7 Thunders
Woe’s————————-1–2——————–3
Armageddon / Rev. 19———————————-^
10 Days Later , we Return with Jesus from Heaven after The Wedding Supper
David Davis
Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. The 7 Trumpets never blow, right?
Craig Theisen
1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a “mystery”; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at “the last trump”: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
David Davis
Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
Claudia Marcus
Craig Theisen; Why do you show the first 6 bowls happening before the 7th trumpet? And, the 7th bowl happening at the same time as the 7th bowl. Scripture seems to clearly shows that none of the Bowls come to action until the 7th trumpet has sounded.
REV 11:15-And the SEVENTH ANGEL SOUNDED; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16-And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17-Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18-And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged [FIRST RESURRECTION], and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints,[TWINKLING CHANGE] and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them .[WRATH OF VIALS] which destroy the earth
The above matches perfectly with Revelation 14:14-19 below.
14-And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. [JESUS ON THE CLOUDS READY FOR HIS HARVEST OF THE SAINTS] 15-And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. [JESUS IS TOLD IT IS TIME] 16-And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.[TWINKLING CHANGE] 17-And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18-And another angel came out from the altar, which had POWER OVER FIRE; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19-And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of THE WRATH OF GOD.
These two groups of scripture clearly show that the WRATH OF VIALS starts after the Seventh trumpet has sounded. The next chapter, Revelation 15 shows the gathered Eternal who got victory and Eternal bodies by waiting and not taking the mark because of their testimony of Jesus, [verse 2] and it finishes with more detail about the angels of Wrath. Rev. 16 is all about the unfolding of the 7 Vials of Wrath with the 7th Vial seeing Omega coming like a thief [because the bad guys are smug and not watching] and splitting the mountain with the great earthquake which splits the city into 3 parts. Than there are some chapters on the destruction of Babylon city, and then in 19:11-21 it gives another picture of OMEGA and HIS Bride in HIS Army getting ready to come down as already described in Rev.16: 15-21.
Time:—Gen.1——-33ad to 2018—2024??
Seals:— 1,–2,3,4,–5,6,————–7 [7th Seal 2,300 Days ??]
Trumpets-1,2,3,4–X-[ peace ?]–5,6–X[peace of the false one]–7
The 7th trumpet breaks the false peace [rapture and Bowls of Wrath].
Craig Theisen
Exactly because we read at the 7th trumpet the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of Lord . and at the 5th bowl we read :
Craig Theisen
/Claudia Marcusa
Craig Theisen
Revelation 16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon “the seat of the beast; and his kingdom” was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
Craig Theisen
no beast kingdom after the 7th trumpet Claudia Marcus 😉
Craig Theisen
I see many parallels between the plagues of the two witnesses of Revelation 11 and the 7 bowls of wrath in Revelation 16. The two witnesses start at the great tribulation and prophesy for 42 months , the same time that Antichrist starts the mark of the beast. The first bowl causes soars to come on those who take the mark of the beast. The two witnesses are given power to turn water into blood . The 2 nd and 3 rd bowls turn rivers and seas into blood . The two witnesses were …given power to call fire from Heaven to kill those that would harm them . The 4th bowl cause men to be burnt and scorched by the sun. The two witnesses were given power to smite the earth with all plagues as often as they like. The 5th bowl caused the sun not to shine so that men chivered. At the 6th bowl Jesus say He is coming as a thief , blessed is he that keeps his garments lest no man see his shame. After Jesus says ” IT IS DONE ” we see a Great Earthquake , the Same One we see After The Two Witnesses are RAPTURED The Seventh Bowl of Wrath Revelation 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. After Jesus says ” IT IS DONE ” we see a Great Earthquake , the Same One we see After The Two Witnesses are RAPTURED Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven
We are the two witnesses : Revelation 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Ozuzu Raphael Ozuzu
The Christ, comforter, spirit of truth has returned to the world in a new person, Ozuzu Raphael Ozuzu., just as proph. Elijah was returned to Israel in a new person, John the Baptist. Pls see my timeline for more light.
Jim Brown
I have reviewed the time line. So, guess I can’t post if I disagree with the time line. God Bless, Jim
Debbie Neil Thacker
You can post anytime Jim.
Jody Reese
Monty F Stamps
The Wedding is suppose to happen when one is joined to another. So, we as believers are wedded to Christ when we accept Him !!!
Joe Lynch
the Wedding + supper is what happens in Paradise or Heaven while the 7 year peace treaty is happening on earth …………………………………. —————————————————————————————————— Hello guys + gals
WHY DOES NOBODY MENTION ABOUT THE FIRST DOOR CLOSING = 2019.04
(COMING UP IN LESS THAN 8 MONTHS) = signing of 7 year peace treaty with Israel
+ pre-Trib Rapture MUST happen before this door closes. Please Google “doorschristmustpassthrough”
–
I have some awesomely important NEWS. Although we are warned that of that “day + hour knoweth no man”, we are assured that we would know when it was near, even at the doors. This first door will close on 2019.04 = DEADLINE for signing of infamous 7 year peace treaty with Israel + Rapture
–
Did you ever wonder how we could know that it was near, if no one could know the day. It was because we could know the generation, and all generations have an end date. Well this end date could be the door, as in when the door will close on it being able to fulfill the prophecy about “this generation shall not pass”. I know that there are a lot of duration for a generation, but i figured that it was probably the 51.6 solar year duration, as this was the same duration that was used to accurately predict the rebirth of Israel.
–
We are told that there are 14 + 14 + 14 generations from Abraham to Jesus in (Mat 1:17)
14 + 14 + 14 = 42 generations
2,167 is the year for the Birth of Abraham.
http://www.stanford.edu/~meehan/donnelly/bibchron.html
http://www.israel-a-history-of.com/story-of-abraham.html
http://www.olive-tree.net/redemptiveplan/Chronological/Old%20Testament/overview%20I.htm
–
2,167 / 42 = 51.595
51.6 = duration of our end time generation
PROOF -(this was the same duration used to predict the date of Israel’s rebirth = to the exact day)
–
GOD’S SECOND CHANCE RULE = 10 times original duration = duration from when prophecy was given + day Jesus entered the temple=(prophecy fulfilled), then multiply # days by 10
= May 14th 1948 = rebirth of Israel
–
(please read the novel called “Armageddon”, by Grant Jeffrey )
as it went through Scripture + displayed the reality of every fulfilled prophecy in the Holy Bible KJV
This novel helped me see Scripture as TRUTH + become Born-Again
–
http://doorschristmustpassthrough.yolasite.com/
http://beliefstoliveby.yolasite.com/
http://fire-starter.yolasite.com/
http://biblefilescentral.yolasite.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1vtx5sDxrg
http://free-energy.yolasite.com/
Jim Brown
Luke 17:20-26 (CJB)
20 The P’rushim (Pharisees) asked Yeshua when the Kingdom of God would come. “The Kingdom of God,” he answered, “does not come with visible signs;
21 nor will people be able to say, ‘Look! Here it is!’ or, ‘Over there!’ Because, you see, the Kingdom of God is among you.”
22 Then he said to his talmidim (disciples), “The time is coming when you will long to see even one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it.
23 People will say to you, ‘Look! Right here!’ or, ‘See! Over there!’ Don’t run off, don’t follow them,
24 because the Son of Man in his day will be like lightning that flashes and lights up the sky from one horizon to the other.
25 But first he must endure horrible suffering and be rejected by this generation.
26 “Also, at the time of the Son of Man, it will be just as it was at the time of Noach.
Craig Theisen
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
William Belzil
Craig Theisen
The 6th Trumpet or 2nd Woe is The 3.5 year Great Tribulation After the 4th Trumpet we read: Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
Before the 6th Trumpet or 2nd Woe we read:Revelation 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. 13And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for “to slay the third part of men”.
We read the lenght of this Trumpet or Woe in Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot “forty and two months”.3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy “a thousand two hundred and threescore days”(3.5 years), clothed in sackcloth. After we read Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud (Resurrection); and their enemies beheld them.
We then read Revelation 11:14 The second woe (6th Trumpet) is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Craig Theisen
The 3rd Temple will be Rebuilt . The antichrist will stop the sacrifice and offering , and on a wing of The Temple set up the abomination of desolation and proclaim himself to be god (revealing himself) , 2 Thessalonians 2:1-5. Matthew 24:15-21 Jesus said “When you see the abomination that causes desolation (antichrist) , spoken of by the prophet Daniel , flee for then there will be great tribulation ( 3.5 years )” Matthew 24:29 – 31 Jesus said ” IMMEDIATELY after the Tribulation of those days (3.5 years of the antichrist tribulation) the sun will be darkened the moon will turn to blood and the stars will fall from the sky. THEN you will see the son of man coming on the clouds with power and glory . And He will send his angels with a loud TRUMPET call (The Feast of Trumpets on the 1st of Tishri , The Feast that NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR HOUR) and they will gather His ELECT (Born Again Christians) from the four winds(those of us who are alive and remain), from one end of the Heavens to the other(dead in Christ ))( (Rapture)). We will be spared from The Hour of Wrath (15 days) God will pour out His 7 Thunders on the earth . We will be in Heaven at the marriage supper of the Lamb and receiving and laying crowns at Jesus feet , Revelation 19. 10 days later (The Feasts of Atonement on the 10th of Tishri) we will return with Jesus riding on white horses , dressed in white to The Battle of Armageddon. ( On the 15th of Tishri The Feasts of Tabernacles ) Jesus will make us kings and priest with Him and He will rule and reign for 1,000 years
Craig Theisen
The 3rd Temple will be Rebuilt . The antichrist will stop the sacrifice and offering , and will sit in The Temple and set up the abomination of desolation and proclaim himself to be god (revealing himself) , 2 Thessalonians 2:1-5. Matthew 24:15-21 Jesus said “When you see the abomination that causes desolation (antichrist) , spoken of by the prophet Daniel , flee for then there will be great tribulation ( 3.5 years )” Matthew 24:29 – 31 Jesus said ” IMMEDIATELY after the Tribulation of those days (3.5 years of the antichrist tribulation) the sun will be darkened the moon will turn to blood and the stars will fall from the sky. THEN you will see the son of man coming on the clouds with power and glory . And He will send his angels with a loud TRUMPET call (The Feast of Trumpets on the 1st of Tishri , The Feast that NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR HOUR) and they will gather His ELECT (Born Again Christians) from the four winds(those of us who are alive and remain), from one end of the Heavens to the other(dead in Christ ))( (Rapture)). We will be spared from The Hour of Wrath (15 days) God will pour out His 7 Thunders on the earth . We will be in Heaven at the marriage supper of the Lamb and receiving and laying crowns at Jesus feet , Revelation 19. 10 days later (The Feasts of Atonement on the 10th of Tishri) we will return with Jesus riding on white horses , dressed in white to The Battle of Armageddon. ( On the 15th of Tishri The Feasts of Tabernacles ) Jesus will make us kings and priest with Him and He will rule and reign for 1,000 years
Craig Theisen
Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever”. 16And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18And the nations were angry, and thy “wrath” is come, and the “time of the dead”, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the “saints”, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19And the temple of God was “opened” in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Craig Theisen
Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of “great tribulation”, and have washed their robes, and made them “white” in the blood of the Lamb.
Craig Theisen
Daniel 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the “end” of the days.
Craig Theisen
Luke 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? 8I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Craig Theisen
“
Brandt Matthys Wessels
There is no Rapture. This may help:
Rapture is not in the bible – think about that when you look at these below verses.
Craig Theisen
Next Trumpet to sound : Revelation 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay “the third part of men.”
Craig Theisen
9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
Marten Pykor
How much sooner I need prayer
Nick Fratelli
I love the chart…can you explain to me more of the “we are here” part.
Craig Theisen
We are at the 5th Trumpet Now
The 1st Trumpet was WWI , 1/3 of the trees and grass were burnt to prepair battle fields , because of battle and to destroy enemy supplies .
The 2nd Trumpet WWII 1/3 of the worlds ships were destroyed , Japan being nucked was the firey mountain in the sea .
The 3rd Trumpet was Chernobyl ( Russian for Wormwood ) turned waters bitter after rains washed the raidation into the water supplies .
The 4th Trumpet have you noticed how fast time is going bye , days were shortened by 1/3rd , Jesus said He would do that for the sake of the Elect .
The 5th Trumpet was The Gulf War , Sadam means destroyer , he set oil fields on fire and they burned for 6 months , blackening the skys , the locust describe by John were Helicopters .
So that puts us at the 6th trumpet, which is WWIII and starts from the Eupraties River , by the way where did ISIS come from ?
Craig Theisen
We are at The 5th Seal NOW
.
By Craig Theisen on Wednesday, January 22, 2014 at 12:35 AM
Zechariah 6:4 Then I spoke and said to the angel who was speaking with me, “What are these, my lord?” 5 The angel replied to me, “These are the four spirits of …heaven, going forth after standing before the Lord of all the earth, 6 with one of which the black horses are going forth to the north country; and the white ones go forth after them, while the dappled ones go forth to the south country.… This verse says the Horseman of Revelation 6 are spirits that are in the Earth. The white horse is Catholicism , the red horse Communism , the black horse Capitalism and the green (pale) horse Islamism. So the four seals have been opened . The 5th Seal has surly been opened with all the slain saints in Pakistan , Syria , Iraq , Iran , Egypt :O
https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fattribution_link%3Fu%3D%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DgWQKOj9Sxkg%2526feature%253Dshare%26a%3DJPbJRNmj-humsa7-Kshf-g&h=eAQE4ncNL
Craig Theisen
The 6th Trumpet or 2nd Woe is The 3.5 year Great Tribulation After the 4th Trumpet we read: Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
Before the 6th Trumpet or 2nd Woe we read:Revelation 9:12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. 13And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for “to slay the third part of men”.
We read the lenght of this Trumpet or Woe in Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot “forty and two months”.3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy “a thousand two hundred and threescore days”(3.5 years), clothed in sackcloth. After we read Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud (Resurrection); and their enemies beheld them.
We then read Revelation 11:14 The second woe (6th Trumpet) is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Craig Theisen
Clear that the rapture is at Jesus’s 2nd Coming , not secret :1 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by “the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him”,
Jonathan Crocker
Craig Theisen
Same Day : Matthew 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation” of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And “then” shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and “then” shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the “clouds” of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his “angels” with a great sound of a “trumpet”, and they shall “gather together his elect” from “the four winds”, from “one end of heaven to the other”.
Craig Theisen
Same Day : 2 Thessalonians 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by “the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him”,
Craig Theisen
Jesus and Paul both said it was the same day O:)
Samuel Ozovehe Saviour
May God help the elect
Victor Zaakaa
I’m shocks, may God help us .
Dustin McClory
So the Thousand-Year Reign is before the bowls, seals, and trumpets?
Ais Suja
I don’t think
Ais Suja
Read the Bible with understanding
Ais Suja
With all your might with all your heart
William Mwananje Ngombo
I am happy for when a man is left to continue to live here on Earth life will boil and boil to a capacity of being unbearable .Satan sway needs God’s intervention to save us .Science and technology is destroying our planet/pple have changed from good to ungodly.what a bad world it is now?l don’t fear,let the day of the Lord our Go mature.
Erico Egesa
The time has come
Craig Theisen
The Sixth Trumpet
13And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. 16And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. 17And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. 18By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths. 19For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
Richard Charles
Lol this was written in 2015
David Torsu
Repemt now! or repenting later will be very difficult for you
Varnel Watson
coming soon to a city near you Jim Price Ray E Horton
Skip Fraser
NONSENSE
Varnel Watson
you make absolutely NO theological sense
Tyler Friesen
Mid trib was 90ad!?! Wow…
Varnel Watson
it was HOW then that Jericho Labro Stacy Turbeville claim JESUS returned in 70AD? Was Jesus present during the Tribulation too? Alan Yusko Neil Steven Lawrence
Jericho Labro
Troy Day i never said Jesus returned at 70 AD. The final week of the 70th week spoken in Daniel 9 has not taken place yet.
Varnel Watson
Jericho Labro good to know
Stacy Turbeville
Yes just like in Isaiah 13 by the Medes over Babylon or by Israel over Egypt in Isaiah 19 (God coming on the clouds 19:1), God orchestrated judgement just as he did by the Roman Empire over Israel/Jerusalem in the 42 month Great Tribulation from 66-70AD.
Stacy Turbeville
Daniel 12:1-7,13 Is Michael (represents Jesus) coming in judgement of everyone who died during the Old Covenant Age. That is when the general resurrection took place. Verse 3 is the gospel being taken to the World. Verse 7 tells us when this happens. When the power of the Holy People are shattered. This is the destruction of the city Jerusalem and the Temple being destroyed. The Holy People are Old Covenant Israel in the Old Testament. Daniel is told in verse 13 his resurrection happens then at the end of the Age which is the end of the Old Covenant Age. Once this happens everyone who dies in the New covenant age is resurrected Spiritually at physical death (Hebrews 9:8, 1 Corinthians 15:42-49).
Varnel Watson
Stacy Turbeville PLS see my article and comment here https://www.facebook.com/groups/eschatology.end.times/permalink/1602603929917032/
Alan Yusko
rapture first.. then judgment in 7 seals, 7 trumpets, 7 bowls, then the Lord Jesus returns and sets up the 1000 year kingdom on earth..
Varnel Watson
Resurrection/Rapture———————————v
The Day of The Lord———————————>/1,000 Years
Seals——1-2-3-4———–5———————–67
Trumpets——–1–2–3–4–5–6——————–7
Bowls————————————1-2-3-4-5-6-7
We are here now————>/—–/–3.5 year trib–/
90ad————————2018———————-/
Wrath of God—————————————–>7 Thunders
Woe’s————————-1–2——————–3
Resurrection/Rapture———————————^
Armageddon / Rev. 19———————————-^
10 Days Later , we Return with Jesus from Heaven after The Wedding Supper
Neil Steven Lawrence
two Raptures?
Varnel Watson
so far we know from Stacy Turbeville that Jesus was raptured in 70 AD but came back mid-trib in 90AD and has been hiding from the world ever since then or something to that extent
Neil Steven Lawrence
Troy Day I guess he’s a perfect candidate to believe that when the antichrist is revealed he will be Jesus coming out of hiding!
Varnel Watson
Neil Steven Lawrence about right
Gavin Cruise
If there was actually one verse to go on I might pay closer attention but…
Varnel Watson
I’ve posted about 200 verses and in Greek in various topics on the last days over this weekend WHICH verse do you want or do not understand and need help with?
Gavin Cruise
The above post, I clicked on it, and I couldn’t make head nor tail out of it.
Harold Goldman
Is there chicken soup in those bowls? Or does Louis Armstrong play those trumpets?
Richard Ramey
Does not anybody actually read the chapter the word 1,000 yr is in Revelation ?
Most pick and choose verses and say it’s 1,000 yr but never read the verses that say 1,000 and explain 1,000.
Read Rev 19 – “20”.
Chapter 20 says 1,000
Varnel Watson
Neil Steven Lawrence Philip Williams PLS see my article and comment here https://www.facebook.com/groups/eschatology.end.times/permalink/1602603929917032/