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Freemasonry: The Trojan Horse In the Church
Freemasonry
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FREEMASONS AND THEIR DESCENDANTS
If you were once a member of a Masonic organisation or are a descendant of someone who was, we recommend that you pray through this prayer from your heart. Please don’t be like the Masons who are given their obligations and oaths one line at a time and without prior knowledge of the requirements. Please read it through first so you know what is involved.
It is best to pray this aloud with a Christian witness present. We suggest a brief pause following each paragraph to allow the Holy Spirit to show any related issues which may require attention.
A significant number of people also reported having experienced physical and spiritual healings as diverse as long-term headaches and epilepsy as the result of praying through this prayer. Christian counsellors and pastors in many countries have been using this prayer in counselling situations and seminars for several years, with real and significant results.
Some language could be described as ‘quaint Old English’ and are the real terms used in the Masonic ritual. The legal renunciation opens the way for spiritual, emotional and physical healing to take place.
There are differences between British Commonwealth Masonry and American & Prince Hall Masonry in the higher degrees. Degrees unique to Americans are marked with this sign “*” at the commencement of each paragraph. Those of British Commonwealth decent shouldn’t need to pray through those paragraphs.
“Father God, creator of heaven and earth, I come to you in the name of Jesus Christ your Son. I come as a sinner seeking forgiveness and cleansing from all sins committed against you, and others made in your image. I honour my earthly father and mother and all of my ancestors of flesh and blood, and of the spirit by adoption and godparents, but I utterly turn away from and renounce all their sins. I forgive all my ancestors for the effects of their sins on me and my children. I confess and renounce all of my own sins, known and unknown. I renounce and rebuke Satan and every spiritual power of his affecting me and my family, in the name of Jesus Christ.
True Holy Creator God, in the name of the True Lord Jesus Christ, in accordance with Jude 8-10; Psalm 82:1 and 2 Chronicles 18, I request you to move aside all Celestial Beings, including Principalities, Powers and Rulers, and to forbid them to harass, intimidate or retaliate against me and all participants in this ministry today.
I also ask that you prevent and forbid these beings, of whatever rank, from sending any level of spiritual evil as retaliation against any of those here, or our families, our ministries, or possessions.
I renounce and annul every covenant made with Death by my ancestors or myself, including every agreement made with Sheol, and I renounce the refuge of lies and falsehoods which have been hidden behind.
In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I renounce and forsake all involvement in Freemasonry or any other lodge, craft or occultism by my ancestors and myself. I also renounce and break the code of silence enforced by Freemasonry and the Occult on my family and myself. I renounce and repent of all pride and arrogance which opened the door for the slavery and bondage of Freemasonry to afflict my family and me. I now shut every door of witchcraft and deception operating in my life and seal it closed with the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. I renounce every covenant, every blood covenant and every alliance with Freemasonry or the spiritual powers behind it made by my family or me.
In the name of Jesus Christ, I rebuke, renounce and bind Witchcraft, the principal spirit behind Freemasonry, and I renounce and rebuke Baphomet, the Spirit of Antichrist and the spirits of Death, and Deception.
I renounce and rebuke the Spirit of Fides, the Roman goddess of Fidelity that seeks to hold all Masonic and occultic participants and their descendants in bondage, and I ask the One True Holy Creator God to give me the gift of Faith to believe in the True Lord Jesus Christ as described in the Word of God.
I also renounce and rebuke the Spirit of Prostitution which the Word of God says has led members of Masonic and other Occultic organisations astray, and caused them to become unfaithful to the One True and Holy God. I now choose to return and become faithful to the God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Father of Jesus Christ, who I now declare is my Lord and Saviour.
I renounce the insecurity, the love of position and power, the love of money, avarice or greed, and the pride which would have led my ancestors into Masonry. I renounce all the fears which held them in Masonry, especially the fears of death, fears of men, and fears of trusting, in the name of Jesus Christ.
I renounce every position held in the lodge by any of my ancestors or myself, including “Master,” “Worshipful Master,” or any other occultic title. I renounce the calling of any man “Master,” for Jesus Christ is my only master and Lord, and He forbids anyone else having that title. I renounce the entrapping of others into Masonry, and observing the helplessness of others during the rituals. I renounce the effects of Masonry passed on to me through any female ancestor who felt distrusted and rejected by her husband as he entered and attended any lodge and refused to tell her of his secret activities. I also renounce all obligations, oaths and curses enacted by every female member of my family through any direct membership of all Women’s Orders of Freemasonry, the Order of the Eastern Star, or any other Masonic or occultic organisation.
carry out in faith the following actions:
- Symbolically remove the blindfold (hoodwink) and give it to the Lord for disposal;
- In the same way, symbolically remove the veil of mourning, to make way to receive the Joy of the Lord:
- Symbolically cut and remove the noose from around the neck, gather it up with the cabletow running down the body and give it all to the Lord for His disposal;
- Renounce the false Freemasonry marriage covenant, removing from the 4th finger of the right hand the ring of this false marriage covenant, giving it to the Lord to dispose of it;
- Symbolically remove the chains and bondages of Freemasonry from your body;
- Symbolically remove all Freemasonry regalia, including collars, gauntlets and armour, especially the Apron with its snake clasp, to make way for the Belt of Truth;
- Remove the slipshod slippers, to make way for the shoes of the Gospel of Peace;
- Symbolically remove the ball and chain from the ankles.
- Invite participants to repent of and seek forgiveness for having walked on all unholy ground, including Freemasonry lodges and temples, including any Mormon or any other occultic/Masonic organisations.
- Proclaim that Satan and his demons no longer have any legal rights to mislead and manipulate the person seeking help.
33rd & Supreme Degree
In the name of Jesus Christ I renounce the oaths taken and the curses and iniquities involved in the supreme Thirty-Third Degree of Freemasonry, the Grand Sovereign Inspector General. I renounce the secret passwords, DEMOLAY-HIRUM ABIFF, FREDERICK OF PRUSSIA, MICHA, MACHA, BEALIM, and ADONAI, and all their occultic and Masonic meanings. I renounce all of the obligations of every Masonic degree, and all penalties invoked.
I renounce and utterly forsake The Great Architect Of The Universe, who is revealed in the this degree as Lucifer, and his false claim to be the universal fatherhood of God. I reject the Masonic view of deity because it does not square with the revelation of the One True and Holy Creator God of the Bible.
I renounce the cable-tow around the neck. I renounce the death wish that the wine drunk from a human skull should turn to poison and the skeleton whose cold arms are invited if the oath of this degree is violated. I renounce the three infamous assassins of their grand master, law, property and religion, and the greed and witchcraft involved in the attempt to manipulate and control the rest of mankind.
In the name of God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit, I renounce and break the curses and iniquities involved in the idolatry, blasphemy, secrecy and deception of Freemasonry at every level, and I appropriate the Blood of Jesus Christ to cleanse all the consequences of these from my life. I now revoke all previous consent given by any of my ancestors or myself to be deceived.
Blue Lodge
In the name of Jesus Christ I renounce the oaths taken and the curses and iniquities involved in the First or Entered Apprentice Degree, especially their effects on the throat and tongue. I renounce the Hoodwink blindfold and its effects on spirit, emotions and eyes, including all confusion, fear of the dark, fear of the light, and fear of sudden noises. I renounce the blinding of spiritual truth, the darkness of the soul, the false imagination, condescension and the spirit of poverty caused by the ritual of this degree. I also renounce the usurping of the marriage covenant by the removal of the wedding ring. I renounce the secret word, BOAZ, and it’s Masonic meaning. I renounce the serpent clasp on the apron, and the spirit of Python which it brought to squeeze the spiritual life out of me.
I renounce the ancient pagan teaching from Babylon and Egypt and the symbolism of the First Tracing Board. I renounce the mixing and mingling of truth and error, the mythology, fabrications and lies taught as truth, and the dishonesty by leaders as to the true understanding of the ritual, and the blasphemy of this degree of Freemasonry.
I renounce the breaking of five of God’s Ten Commandments during participation in the rituals of the Blue Lodge degrees. I renounce the presentation to every compass direction, for all the Earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it. I renounce the cabletow noose around the neck, the fear of choking and also every spirit causing asthma, hayfever, emphysema or any other breathing difficulty. I renounce the ritual dagger, or the compass point, sword or spear held against the breast, the fear of death by stabbing pain, and the fear of heart attack from this degree, and the absolute secrecy demanded under a witchcraft oath and sealed by kissing the Volume of the Sacred Law. I also renounce kneeling to the false deity known as the Great Architect of the Universe, and humbly ask the One True God to forgive me for this idolatry, in the name of Jesus Christ.
I renounce the pride of proven character and good standing required prior to joining Freemasonry, and the resulting self-righteousness of being good enough to stand before God without the need of a saviour. I now pray for healing of… (throat, vocal cords, nasal passages, sinus, bronchial tubes etc.) for healing of the speech area, and the release of the Word of God to me and through me and my family.
Second or Fellow Craft Degree of Masonry
In the name of Jesus Christ I renounce the oaths taken and the curses and iniquities involved in the Second or Fellow Craft Degree of Masonry, especially the curses on the heart and chest. I renounce the secret words SHIBBOLETH and JACHIN, and all their Masonic meaning. I renounce the ancient pagan teaching and symbolism of the Second Tracing Board. I renounce the Sign of Reverence to the Generative Principle. I cut off emotional hardness, apathy, indifference, unbelief, and deep anger from me and my family. In the name of Jesus’ Christ I pray for the healing of …(the chest/lung/heart area) and also for the healing of my emotions, and ask to be made sensitive to the Holy Spirit of God.
Third or Master Mason Degree
In the name of Jesus Christ I renounce the oaths taken and the curses and iniquities involved in the Third or Master Mason Degree, especially the curses on the stomach and womb area. I renounce the secret words TUBAL CAIN and MAHA BONE, and all their Masonic meaning. I renounce the ancient pagan teaching and symbolism of the Third Tracing Board used in the ritual. I renounce the Spirit of Death from the blows to the head enacted as ritual murder, the fear of death, false martyrdom, fear of violent gang attack, assault, or rape, and the helplessness of this degree. I renounce the falling into the coffin or stretcher involved in the ritual of murder.
In the name of Jesus Christ I renounce Hiram Abiff, the false saviour of Freemasons revealed in this degree. I renounce the false resurrection of this degree, because only Jesus Christ is the Resurrection and the Life!
I renounce the pagan ritual of the “Point within a Circle” with all its bondages and phallus worship. I renounce the symbol “G” and its veiled pagan symbolism and bondages. I renounce the occultic mysticism of the black and white mosaic chequered floor with the tessellated boarder and five-pointed blazing star.
I renounce the All-Seeing Third Eye of Freemasonry or Horus in the forehead and its pagan and occult symbolism. I rebuke and reject every spirit of divination which allowed this occult ability to operate. Action: Put your hand over your forehead.) I now close that Third eye and all occult ability to see into the spiritual realm, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and put my trust in the Holy Spirit sent by Jesus Christ for all I need to know on spiritual matters. I renounce all false communions taken, all mockery of the redemptive work of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary, all unbelief, confusion and depression. I renounce and forsake the lie of Freemasonry that man is not sinful, but merely imperfect, and so can redeem himself through good works. I rejoice that the Bible states that I cannot do a single thing to earn my salvation, but that I can only be saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and what He accomplished on the Cross of Calvary.
I renounce all fear of insanity, anguish, death wishes, suicide and death in the name of Jesus Christ. Death was conquered by Jesus Christ, and He alone holds the keys of death and hell, and I rejoice that He holds my life in His hands now. He came to give me life abundantly and eternally, and I believe His promises.
I renounce all anger, hatred, murderous thoughts, revenge, retaliation, spiritual apathy, false religion, all unbelief, especially unbelief in the Holy Bible as God’s Word, and all compromise of God’s Word. I renounce all spiritual searching into false religions, and all striving to please God. I rest in the knowledge that I have found my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and that He has found me.
In the name of Jesus Christ I pray for the healing of… (the stomach, gall bladder, womb, liver, and any other organs of my body affected by Masonry), and I ask for a release of compassion and understanding for me and my family.
York Rite
the Mark Master Degree with its secret word JOPPA, and its penalty of having the right ear smote off and the curse of permanent deafness, as well as the right hand being chopped off for being an imposter.I also renounce and forsake the oaths taken and the curses and iniquities involved in the other York Rite Degrees, including Past Master, with the penalty of having my tongue split from tip to root; <br.
and of the Most Excellent Master Degree, in which the penalty is to have my breast torn open and my heart and vital organs removed and exposed to rot on the dung hill.
Holy Royal Arch Degree
In the name of Jesus Christ, I renounce and forsake the oaths taken and the curses and iniquities involved in the Holy Royal Arch Degree especially the oath regarding the removal of the head from the body and the exposing of the brains to the hot sun. I renounce the false secret name of God, JAHBULON, and declare total rejection of all worship of the false pagan gods, Bul or Baal, and On or Osiris. I also renounce the password, AMMI RUHAMAH and all it’s Masonic meaning. I renounce the false communion or Eucharist taken in this degree, and all the mockery, scepticism and unbelief about the redemptive work of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary. I cut off all these curses and their effects on me and my family in the name of Jesus Christ, and I pray for… (healing of the brain, the mind etc.)
I renounce and forsake the oaths taken and the curses and iniquities involved in the Royal Master Degree of the York Rite; the Select Master Degree with its penalty to have my hands chopped off to the stumps, to have my eyes plucked out from their sockets, and to have my body quartered and thrown among the rubbish of the Temple.
I renounce and forsake the oaths taken and the curses and iniquities involved in the Super Excellent Master Degree along with the penalty of having my thumbs cut off, my eyes put out, my body bound in fetters and brass, and conveyed captive to a strange land; and also of the Knights or Illustrious Order of the Red Cross, along with the penalty of having my house torn down and my being hanged on the exposed timbers.
I renounce the Knights Templar Degree and the secret words of KEB RAIOTH, and also Knights of Malta Degree and the secret words MAHER-SHALAL-HASH-BAZ.
I renounce the vows taken on a human skull, the crossed swords, and the curse and death wish of Judas of having the head cut off and placed on top of a church spire. I renounce the unholy communion and especially of drinking from a human skull in many Rites.
Ancient & Accepted or Scottish Rite
(Only the 18th, 30th, 31st 32nd & 33rd degree are operated in British Commonwealth countries.)
*** * I renounce the oaths taken and the curses, iniquities and penalties involved in the American and Grand Orient Lodges, including of the Secret Master Degree, its secret passwords of ADONAI and ZIZA, and their occult meanings. I reject and renounce the worship of the pagan sun god as the Great Source of Light, and the crowning with laurel – sacred to Apollo, and the sign of secrecy in obedience to Horus;
*** of the Perfect Master Degree, its secret password of MAH-HAH-BONE, and its penalty of being smitten to the Earth with a setting maul;
*** * of the Intimate Secretary Degree, its secret passwords of YEVA and JOABERT, and its penalties of having my body dissected, and of having my vital organs cut into pieces and thrown to the beasts of the field, and of the use of the nine-pointed star from the Kabbala and the worship of Phallic energy;
*** of the Provost and Judge Degree, its secret password of HIRUM-TITO-CIVI-KY, and the penalty of having my nose cut off;
*** of the Intendant of the Building Degree, of its secret password AKAR-JAI-JAH, and the penalty of having my eyes put out, my body cut in two and exposing my bowels;
*** of the Elected Knights of the Nine Degree, its secret password NEKAM NAKAH, and its penalty of having my head cut off and stuck on the highest pole in the East;
*** of the Illustrious Elect of Fifteen Degree, with its secret password ELIGNAM, and its penalties of having my body opened perpendicularly and horizontally, the entrails exposed to the air for eight hours so that flies may prey on them, and for my head to be cut off and placed on a high pinnacle;
*** of the Sublime Knights elect of the Twelve Degree, its secret password STOLKIN-ADONAI, and its penalty of having my hand cut in twain;
*** of the Grand Master Architect Degree, its secret password RAB-BANAIM, and its penalties;
*** * of the Knight of the Ninth Arch of Solomon or Enoch Degree, its secret password JEHOVAH, it’s blasphemous use, its penalty of having my body given to the beasts of the forest as prey, and I also renounce the revelations from the Kabbala in this and subsequent degrees;
*** * of the Grand Elect, Perfect and Sublime Mason or Elu Degree, its secret password MARAH-MAUR-ABREK and IHUH, the penalty of having my body cut open and my bowels given to vultures for food, and I reject the Great Unknowable deity of this degree;
Council of Princes of Jerusalem
*** of the Knights of the East Degree, its secret password RAPH-O-DOM, and its penalties;
*** of the Prince of Jerusalem Degree, its secret password TEBET-ADAR, and its penalty of being stripped naked and having my heart pierced with a ritual dagger;
Chapter of the Rose Croix
*** * of the Knight of the East and West Degree, its secret password ABADDON, and its penalty of incurring the severe wrath of the Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth. I also reject the Tetractys and its representation of the Sephiroth from the Kabbala and its false tree of life. I also reject the false anointing with oil and the proclamation that anyone so anointed is now worthy to open the Book of Seven Seals, because only the Lord Jesus Christ is worthy;
18th Degree
I renounce the oaths taken and the curses, iniquities and penalties involved in the Eighteenth Degree of Freemasonry, the Most Wise Sovereign Knight of the Pelican and the Eagle and Sovereign Prince Rose Croix of Heredom. I renounce and reject the false Jesus revealed in this degree because He doesn’t point to the light or the truth since the True Lord Jesus Christ is the Light of the World and the Truth. I renounce and reject the Pelican witchcraft spirit, as well as the occultic influence of the Rosicrucians and the Kabbala in this degree.
I renounce the claim that the death of Jesus Christ was a “dire calamity,” and also the deliberate mockery and twisting of the Christian doctrine of the Atonement. I renounce the blasphemy and rejection of the deity of Jesus Christ, and the secret words IGNE NATURA RENOVATUR INTEGRA and its burning. I renounce the mockery of the communion taken in this degree, including a biscuit, salt and white wine.
Council of Kadosh
*** I renounce the inappropriate use of the title “Kadosh” used in these council degrees because it means “Holy” and it is here used in a unholy way.
I renounce the oaths taken and the curses, iniquities and penalties involved in the Grand Pontiff Degree, its secret password EMMANUEL, and its penalties;
*** * of the Grand Master of Symbolic Lodges or Ad Vitum Degree, its secret passwords JEKSON and STOLKIN, and the penalties invoked, and I also reject the pagan Phoenecian and Hindu deities revealed in this degree;
*** * of the Patriarch Noachite or Prussian Knight Degree, its secret password PELEG, and its penalties;
*** * of the Knight of the Royal Axe or Prince of Libanus Degree, its secret password NOAH-BEZALEEL-SODONIAS, and its penalties;
*** * of the Chief of the Tabernacle Degree, its secret password URIEL-JEHOVAH, and its penalty that I agree the Earth should open up and engulf me up to my neck so I perish, and I also reject the false title of becoming a “Son of Light” in this degree;
*** * of the Prince of the Tabernacle Degree, and its penalty to be stoned to death and have my body left above ground to rot. I also reject the claimed revelation of the mysteries of the Hebrew faith from the Kabbala, and the occultic and pagan Egyptian, Hindu, Mithraic, Dionysian and Orphic mysteries revealed and worshipped in this degree;
*** * of the Knight of the Brazen Serpent Degree, its secret password MOSES-JOHANNES, and its penalty to have my heart eaten by venomous serpents. I also reject the claimed revelation of the mysteries of the Islamic faith, I reject the insulting misquotations from the Koran, and the gift of a white turban in this degree;
*** * of the Prince of Mercy Degree, its secret password GOMEL, JEHOVAH-JACHIN, and its penalty of condemnation and spite by the entire universe. I also reject the claimed revelation of the mysteries of the Christian religion because there are no such mysteries. I reject the Druid trinity of Odin, Frea and Thor revealed in this degree. I also reject the false baptism claimed for the purification of my soul to allow my soul to rejoin the universal soul of Buddhism, as taught in this degree;
*** * of the Knight Commander of the Temple Degree, its secret password SOLOMON, and its penalty of receiving the severest wrath of Almighty God inflicted upon me. I also reject the claimed revelation of the mysteries of Numerology, Astrology and Alchemy and other occult sciences taught in this degree;
*** * of the Knight Commander of the Sun, or Prince Adept Degree, its secret password STIBIUM, and its penalties of having my tongue thrust through with a red-hot iron, of my eyes being plucked out, of my senses of smelling and hearing being removed, of having my hands cut off and in that condition to be left for voracious animals to devour me, or executed by lightning from heaven;
*** * of the Grand Scottish Knight of Saint Andrew or Patriarch of the Crusades Degree, its secret password NEKAMAH-FURLAC, and its penalties;
Thirtieth Degree
I renounce the oaths taken and the curses and iniquities involved in the Thirtieth Degree of Masonry, the Grand Knight Kadosh and Knight of the Black and White Eagle. I renounce the secret passwords, STIBIUM ALKABAR, PHARASH-KOH and all they mean.
Sublime Princes of The Royal Secret
Thirty-First Degree of Masonry
I renounce the oaths taken and the curses and iniquities involved in the Thirty-First Degree of Masonry, the Grand Inspector Inquisitor Commander. I renounce all the gods and goddesses of Egypt which are honoured in this degree, including Anubis with the jackel’s head, Osiris the Sun god, Isis the sister and wife of Osiris and also the moon goddess. I renounce the Soul of Cheres, the false symbol of immortality, the Chamber of the dead and the false teaching of reincarnation.
Thirty-Second Degree of Masonry
I renounce the oaths taken and the curses and iniquities involved in the Thirty-Second Degree of Masonry, the Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret. I renounce the secret passwords, PHAAL/PHARASH-KOL and all they mean. I renounce Masonry’s false trinitarian deity AUM, and its parts; Brahma the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer. I renounce the deity of AHURA-MAZDA, the claimed spirit or source of all light, and the worship with fire, which is an abomination to God, and also the drinking from a human skull in many Rites.
Shriners (Applies only in North America)
*** I renounce the oaths taken and the curses, iniquities and penalties involved in the Ancient Arabic Order of the Nobles of the Mystic Shrine. I renounce the piercing of the eyeballs with a three-edged blade, the flaying of the feet, the madness, and the worship of the false god Allah as the god of our fathers. I renounce the hoodwink, the mock hanging, the mock beheading, the mock drinking of the blood of the victim, the mock dog urinating on the initiate, and the offering of urine as a commemoration.
All Other Degrees
I renounce all the other oaths taken, the rituals of every other degree and the curses and iniquities invoked. These include the Acacia, Allied Degrees, The Red Cross of Constantine, the Order of the Secret Monitor, and the Masonic Royal Order of Scotland.
I renounce all other lodges and secret societies including Prince Hall Freemasonry, Grand Orient Lodges, Mormonism, the Ancient Toltec Rite, The Order of Amaranth, the Royal Order of Jesters, the Manchester Unity Order of Oddfellows and its womens’ Order of Rebekah lodges, the Royal Antediluvian Order of Buffaloes, Druids, Foresters, the Loyal Order of Orange, including the Purple and Black Lodges within it, Elks, Moose and Eagles Lodges, the Ku Klux Klan, The Grange, the Woodmen of the World, Riders of the Red Robe, the Knights of Pythias, the Order of the Builders, The Rite of Memphiz and Mitzraim, Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO), Aleister Crowley’s Palladium Masonry, the Order of the Golden Key, the Order of Desoms, the Mystic Order of the Veiled Prophets of the Enchanted Realm, the women’s Orders of the Eastern Star, of the Ladies Oriental Shrine, and of the White Shrine of Jerusalem, the girls’ order of the Daughters of the Eastern Star, the International Orders of Job’s Daughters, and of the Rainbow, the boys’ Order of De Molay, and the Order of the Constellation of Junior Stars, and every university or college Fraternity or Sorority with Greek and Masonic connections, and their effects on me and all my family.
Lord Jesus, because you want me to be totally free from all occult bondages, I will burn all objects in my possession which connect me with all lodges and occultic organisations, including Masonry, Witchcraft, the Occult and Mormonism, and all regalia, aprons, books of rituals, rings and other jewellery. I renounce the effects these or other objects of Masonry, including the compass and the square, have had on me or my family, in the name of Jesus Christ.
In the name and authority of Jesus Christ, I break every curse of Freemasonry in my life, including the curses of barrenness, sickness, mind-blinding and poverty, and I rebuke every evil spirit which empowered these curses.
I also renounce, cut off and dissolve in the blood of Jesus Christ every ungodly Soul-Tie I or my ancestors have created with other lodge members or participants in occultic groups and actions, and I ask you to send out ministering angels to gather together all portions of my fragmented soul, to free them from all bondages and to wash them clean in the Blood of Jesus Christ, and then to restore them to wholeness to their rightful place within me. I also ask that You remove from me any parts of any other person’s soul which has been deposited within my humanity. Thank you Lord for restoring my soul and sanctifying my spirit.
I renounce and rebuke every evil spirit associated with Freemasonry, Witchcraft , the Occult and all other sins and iniquities. Lord Jesus, I ask you to now set me free from all spiritual and other bondages, in accordance with the many promises of the Bible.
In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I now take the delegated authority given to me and bind every spirit of sickness, infirmity, curse, affliction, addiction, disease or allergy associated with these sins I have confessed and renounced, including every spirit empowering all iniquities inherited from my family. I exercise the delegated authority from the Risen Lord Jesus Christ over all lower levels of evil spirits and demons which have been assigned to me, and I command that all such demonic beings are to be bound up into one, to be separated from every part of my humanity, whether perceived to be in the body or trapped in the dimensions, and they are not permitted to transfer power to any other spirits or to call for reinforcements.
I command, in the name of Jesus Christ, for every evil spirit to leave me now, touching or harming no-one, and go to the dry place appointed for you by the Lord Jesus Christ, never to return to me or my family, and I command that you now take all your memories, roots, scars, works, nests and habits with you. I surrender to God’s Holy Spirit and to no other spirit all the places in my life where these sins and iniquities have been.
Conclusion
(Pause, while listening to God, and pray as the Holy Spirit leads you.)
I ask you, Lord, to fill me with your Holy Spirit now according to the promises in your Word. I take to myself the whole armour of God in accordance with Ephesians Chapter Six, and rejoice in its protection as Jesus surrounds me and fills me with His Holy Spirit. I enthrone you, Lord Jesus, in my heart, for you are my Lord and my Saviour, the source of eternal life. Thank you, Father God, for your mercy, your forgiveness and your love, in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.”
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Why?
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This is an apologetic group after all…Defend your statement.
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Troy Day Please….!
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Steven Ramsey “Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall hurt you.”
Steven Ramsey
Krystiana Ajcip who was the writer speaking to and why? Have you looked at this verse using exegesis? Proper theology dispels confusion. So when you practice what you claim how often can you actually play with a serpent or a scorpion and not get hurt? See the problem here if you take that verse the way you claim it to be? It is called building a false hope
Krystiana Ajcip
Steven Ramsey well I’ll believe that I have power over the enemy through Jesus because that’s what the Word of God tells me
Steven Ramsey
Krystiana Ajcip are you interpreting the word of God correctly? I once thought of that verse they way you think it now. I dont say this to condemn you but to inspire you to test what i am saying. Many of us who come out of the Pentecostal movement were taught false teaching . We thought we knew best. After 30 years or what i now call unintentional brainwashing i began to question what i had been taught because the promises of what i was taught from scripture were not being fulfilled. Slowly i began to see a picture that the Pentecostal movement created false hopes, false dreams, false doctrine that was inconsistent and hypocritical to what occurred in reality. I found it was people adding the name of God to something they created in their own imaginations. I was one of them. I encourage you to see the power of the Gospel through really sound exegesis. People like Chris Rosbrough, John macarthur, Costi Hinn, Steve Lawson, todd friel and the Billy Crone series on charismatic Chaos. Even the movie “American Gospel Christ alone”.
Krystiana Ajcip
Steven Ramsey I watched that and I’m not Pentecostal. I know you cant just claim wealth and health and healing, but can only claim Gods will in our lives. And God desires for His Children to not be deceived by the enemy and to overcome lies and manipulation from him, and also I dont think that applies to literal serpents so I’m not sure what argument you’re trying to make?
Krystiana Ajcip
I’ve not seen any false hope in me claiming victory in the Name of Jesus? My only hope is that my desires align with God’s desires so how can I be let down?
Steven Ramsey
Krystiana Ajcip why claim victory? Christ has won the battle for us and all we do is to be obedient to him and walk in that victory. I dont need to cast out demons like i use to think. I preach the Gospel and it does all the work. God gets all the glory and it is so easy and simple. Gods Word is the most powerful message on earth. Its authority is greater than anything i can imagine.
Krystiana Ajcip
Steven Ramsey no one needs to cast out demons but when you are confronted by one then you will have the power to overcome it. And why not claim the victory when my Lord and Savior died on the cross for MY sin, so when I share the gospel with others I can overcome any distractions because that is the enemy’s only aim. How can you share the gospel if you’re fighting with your spouse or worrying about money?
Steven Ramsey
Krystiana Ajcip why would i need to, All you need to do is preach the word and you dont have to concern yourself with having the need for authority over demons. The victory has already been claimed by Christ. We ourselves do not claim victory. It was done for us once and for all. All we do is be obedient and humble and thankful and preach the gospel. If you and your spouse are fighting you pray to God for his spirit to show you how to be a better person in accordance with scripture. The power of scripture is incredible. Why do you need to overcome distractions? Christ has overcome them for you. If distractions are a problem then maybe taking on more than you should. No need to worry about money. If you walk in hte way the scripture asks, being obedient to him that is all you can do. You can not change others. Look at the armour of God. Not once does it have anything about what you can do other than be equipped(Obedient and repentant) You will never have to be concerned about the devil when you have your armour on. That way you get back to doing what you are called and that is preaching the good news. God will deal with all the other stuff. No need to worry about a single thing 🙂
Krystiana Ajcip
Steven Ramsey YOUR ARMOR IS POWER OVER THE ENEMY!!! It represents Jesus and how we spiritually put on His power.
Steven Ramsey
Krystiana Ajcip it is not my power, i cant manufacture power, its Gods authority over me. I have not one bit of power over the devil but Christ does and he won that battle already. So the armour is Christs covering, Christ power, Christ authority. If i walk in obedience no weapon formed against me can prevail. So i dont need to be concerned about demons. I dont even think about them anymore. they are weak and pathetic and under Gods control. God is in total control. They cant do anything with out Gods permission. All i do is preach the gospel and let the power of Gods word do its work. People do not realise the power in this because they want the power for themselves, they want to be like God doing what Jesus did as God. Gods word is far more powerful than anything i can imagine or say. Where ever i go i fear no evil, i walk in obedience and Christ protects my soul becasue i am his. So if my children are murdered and sickness takes my wife and i am left destitute with nothing i know it was Gods will for me. The devil can do nothing unless God allows it. So i humbly thank God for saving me from certain death knowing he has promised to reward me with life forever with him.
Krystiana Ajcip
Steven Ramsey okay, I see where you’re going with this and I’ll just have to agree with you while disagreeing. I agree with everything you said, except I do not claim that as my power. I do nothing in my own power. I alone have no power. But I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength. Prayer is a weapon that God gives us to fight the enemy, exactly how you described in the last comment. Gods Word tells us that WE are more than conquerors through Jesus, meaning we are already victorious. So when I feel like I am being attacked (even though God allows it) I pray and remind myself and the enemy that Jesus already has the victory and THAT ALONE gives me power over the enemy.
Steven Ramsey
Krystiana Ajcip The Lord prayer. We pray God is great, his will we do not determine, we are repentant, we want nothing more to do with being an evil person, we pray we are obedient. We acknowledge God provides everything 🙂 . I think we can agree on how to pray?
Krystiana Ajcip
Steven Ramsey yes we can!
Aaron Noble
Pentecostals also need prayer to release them from charismatically speaking in “tongues” as they call it.. When really what they are doing is utterances of a reprobate and mantras of darkness.
Olivaire Watler
Aaron Noble how would you know that?
Aaron Noble
Ask yourself why it just came about 100 years ago.. Why didn’t, Augustine, Wycliffe, Tindale, Huss, Luther, Calvin, Spurgeon, Wesley, Edwards or any other prominent Christian figure speak in tongues over the last 1800 years? Then pray about it.
Aaron Noble
Tongues = Languages. Speaking yabba bobbba looboo isnt a language.
Olivaire Watler
Aaron Noble God can do whatever he likes whenever he likes. Show me where God said it was abolished.
Olivaire Watler
Aaron Noble but it’s not necessarily a language which is intelligible to humans without the gift of tongues interpretation.
Aaron Noble
Olivaire Watler you are deceived
Olivaire Watler
Aaron Noble no, sir. You are. Study your Bible.
Aaron Noble
Olivaire Watler again.. Why did this just come about in the last 100 years? Why didnt all the major historical figures in Christianity speak Fred Flintstone? Tongues = Languages. I have the original English bible Bible translated bible translated from the Latin Vulgate. It says Langagis= Languages… Be careful. The Kundalini spirit deceives many!
Olivaire Watler
Aaron Noble would you please exegete 1 Cor. 12 and 14 and tell me how you arrive at your conclusion? We can do verse by verse.
Olivaire Watler
Aaron Noble incidentally the NT was originally written in Greek. The Latin Vulgate was translated from the Greek. It does not assist your study of the Bible to use a translation of a translation it can be avoided. I would encourage you to get a more modern version translated from the oldest and best Greek and Hebrew manuscripts.
Varnel Watson
Aaron Noble you are quite right Your Latin Vulgate hast LOTS of popish kunadalini you need to get rid of
Aaron Noble
Regardless. Your yabba dabba do has nothing to do with ”tongues”
Chris Arevalo
Aaron Noble we can disagree without the accusations.
Group Rules from the Admins
1. Be kind and courteous
We’re all in this together to create a welcoming environment. Let’s treat everyone with respect. Healthy debates are natural, but kindness is required.
Olivaire Watler
Aaron Noble please exegete scripture and show me that tongues are always only known human languages spoken to be understood directly by your hearers.
Aaron Noble
Chris Arevalo ? I dont see accusations as against the rules? I wasnt being mean I was stating my view…
Chris Arevalo
Aaron Noble I was referring to your initial response, that their practice are “utterances of a reprobate and mantras of darkness.”
I’m a cessationist myself. But we do like to promote a healthy atmosphere in the group. Just be kind and respectful. These are secondary issues, not essentials.
Aaron Noble
That is my true belief. Sorry if it is offensive… I was only trying to be honest and provide my truth
Aaron Noble
And I wouldnt call myself a cessationist.I believe the Holy Spirit is alive and active and that Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever. I simply believe the devil has twisted tongues to fool people into saying mantras of darkness. I believe you could be preaching in English in Africa and God could give a person who doesn’t speak English understanding of what you are saying. I also believe one could talk in another language if God gave them the gift to do so. But saying yabba dobba bogga all the time is never the working of the Holy Spirit
Duncan McLeish
I wish I could like this post more
Chris Arevalo
Aaron Noble cessationists do not believe the Holy Spirit is dead nor He is inactive. Like you, we believe that the gift of tongues are actual languages and not mindless babbling.
You are free to express what you believe, it doesn’t mean we will not respond accordingly. But I will tell you exactly what i tell anyone, whether they are christian or atheist. Discuss and debate, express what you believe. But if your expression becomes disrespectful in anyway, i will mute you or boot you – it doesn’t matter if i agree with you doctrinally.
Aaron Noble
Olivaire Watler & Troy Day Please read the following 17 points. God Bless:
(1) The Greek word glossa means either language or the organ of speech. Confusion could be cleared up by replacing the word tongue(s) in the Bible with the word language(s). “And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other ‘languages’ as the Spirit gave them utterance.” It is error to give tongues a different meaning other than an intelligible language.
(2) Modern tongues advocates frequently teach that speaking in tongues is the evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. There is no such teaching in the Bible. It also seems strange that those with this alleged gift can still speak in it when they backslide. Are we to presume they still have the Holy Spirit?
(3) Contrary to the teaching that tongues is for all believers, Paul tells us in I Cor. 12:4–11, 18, 27–31, that the true gift of speaking in foreign languages is not. “Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations … for to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom … to another the gifts of healing … to another prophecy … to another divers kinds of tongues … Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? … do all speak with tongues?” When we understand the context of these scriptures, the answer is clearly NO! All do not speak in languages, just as all are not given the gift of teaching or prophecy.
(4) The authentic gift, as received on the day of Pentecost, enabled the disciples to speak forth “the wonderful works of God” in various foreign languages. This greatly advanced the spread of the gospel on that day, as there was a great multitude there “out of every nation under heaven … every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed … saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galileans? And how hear we every man in our own language, wherein we were born?” This ability to speak in these foreign languages was given to communicate the gospel. This, and this only, is what the gift of tongues is.
(5) There are a number of instances in the Bible where believers were filled with the Holy Spirit, and no mention is made of speaking in tongues (Cf. Acts 4:8, 31; 7:55; 8:17; 9:17; 13:9).
(6) Jesus never spoke in “tongues” and He had the fullness of the Spirit.
(7) It is error to say that unknown (unintelligible to man) tongues are given by the Holy Spirit. In I Cor. 14:2, 4, 13–14 the word unknown is italicized in most copies of the authorized version, which indicates that it is not found in the original Greek. Confusion can be cleared up by leaving out the word unknown in I Cor. 14, or inserting the word foreign instead.
(8) “For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.” I Cor. 14:14. Contrary to false beliefs, this scripture is not advocating a prayer language that the person praying cannot understand and that only God understands. It simply means that if someone prays in a foreign language in the congregation, though he himself understands what he is saying, it is unfruitful to everyone else, because they do not know that particular language. “How shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth now what thou sayest?”
(9) Whatever the Spirit imparts is intelligible. The modern phenomenon of ecstatic utterance is unintelligible.
(10) Rom. 8:26 is often cited to support the theory that there is a “prayer language” in which one prays in utterances he does not understand. The scripture states, “the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.” If they “cannot be uttered”—cannot be vocalized by human expression—then how could any claim to do it? These groanings refer to the intercession of the Holy Spirit, not to a believer’s prayer language.
(11) In I Cor. 14, Paul is dealing with a problem in the congregation with people praying and speaking out in different foreign languages that most didn’t understand. “For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue [foreign language] speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries” (Vs. 2). You could preach a wonderful message in the French language, but if no one in the room understands French, then you are only speaking to God. “Except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air” (Vs.9).
(12) Paul said that when we pray or sing in the spirit, we were to do it “with the understanding also” (I Cor. 14:15).
(13) Paul said he would rather speak five words with his understanding, then ten thousand words in a foreign language. It seems modern tongues enthusiasts would rather jibber jabber ten thousand syllables than speak five understandable words.
(14) Tongues are not a sign that the believer has the Holy Spirit, because Paul said “tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not” (I Cor. 14:22).
(15) Since tongues are a sign “to them that believe not,” then it cannot be a special prayer language as they would have us believe, because that is not a sign to unbelievers.
(16) People under the influence of the modern tongues spirit sometimes lose control of themselves. The Bible tells me that if a man cannot bridle his tongue, his religion is vain (Jms. 1:26). There will neither be any uncontrollable, or unseemly conduct energized by the Holy Spirit.
(17) If one has the Holy Spirit, they will manifest the fruit of holiness. Thousands upon thousands who thrill to babble in their modern tongues, manifest the fruit of the flesh—adultery, fornication, hatred, emulations, wrath, envyings, etc. (Gal. 5:19–21). We believe not every spirit, that it is of God, because we “know them by their fruits” (Matt. 7:16).
Eddie Krause
Aaron Noble Read your Bible!!!! Read 1Cor 14 :4 and tell the world the devil is twisting this verse!!! Let us know please!
Aaron Noble
Eddie Krause read the above 17 points… ⬆️
God Bless
Eddie Krause
Aaron Noble Do you believe what is written in ICor14:4 as God word or not??? Do you understand what your reading ???
Aaron Noble
Eddie Krause “For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.” I Cor. 14:14. Contrary to false beliefs, this scripture is not advocating a prayer language that the person praying cannot understand and that only God understands. It simply means that if someone prays in a foreign language in the congregation, though he himself understands what he is saying, it is unfruitful to everyone else, because they do not know that particular language. “How shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth now what thou sayest?“ Whatever the Spirit imparts is intelligible. The modern phenomenon of ecstatic utterance is unintelligible.
Kris Miller
I’d argue socialism is the trojan in the church today.
Varnel Watson
YES
Daniel J Hesse
Kris Miller is this a totalitarian spirit?
Carlos Sotelo
Socialism is satanic.
Constantino Banjo Navarro III
True
Eddie Krause
Aaron Noble regarding v14 you say contrary to false belief BUT the Bible doesn’t say so!!! do you understand 1Cor 14:18? If I may ask what church do you attend?? Reform, Methodist etc
Olivaire Watler
Aaron Noble ok. That’s quite a long list. Let’s take this in several bites.
1. It is correct that glosse means language. However, the context of 1 Cor. 14:2 tells us that it is not referring to a known human language: ”For one who speaks in a language does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries”.
Obviously, if the speaker were simply speaking Latin to Greek speakers that passage would simply not make sense. He would be speaking to men. And if the purpose of tongues was to communicate in the language of your hearers then this gift would be accomplishing the opposite. Instead, it says the speaker is speaking mysteries in his spirit. It is very clearly telling us that these languages were unintelligible to the speaker’s hearers. But in case there was any doubt this is amplified later in the chapter. Verses 5 and 13 tells you that this gift requires the gift of interpretation in order to be understood. Clearly that would make no sense if the purpose was to communicate in the language of your hearers. Verse 9 tells us that the tongues spoken by the Corinthian Church are unintelligible. Verse 23 tells us that outsiders or unbelievers hearing you without interpretation may think you are out of your mind. Obviously, no one would think you are out of your mind for merely speaking a foreign language. I do not see that an argument that tongues means a foreign human language is sustainable in light of all that I have outlined above. The inescapable conclusion is that this is an ecstatic language.
2. In the book of Acts when believers first were baptized in the Holy Spirit they spoke in tongues. However, I do not necessarily take it that one must necessarily speak in tongues when you are first baptized in the spirit. I think that is reading too much into it. It is according to the will of the Spirit.
Backsliding does not mean that you lose the Holy Spirit. It just means that you are in sinful condition for which you need to repent. Romans 11:29 says the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.
Aaron Noble
Olivaire Watler speaking mysteries IN HIS SPIRIT not in his words.. How does that equate to outward babble? You are making the verse fit your bias.. God is not a God of confusio. And in Acts they spoke in languages. Even at Pentecost it lists the 16 different languages. Ask yourself why Jesus didn’t speak in babble tongues. Ask yourself why none of the great Christian historians over the last two centuries didnt speak in babble tongues. Paul spoke 3-4 different languages. Azusa St has warped the minds of many. Babble tongues is self righteous works for man. God knows what you wish to pray before you even pray it.
Olivaire Watler
Aaron Noble Please try to read the whole passage in context and seek to understand what it is saying. Obviously, it would make no sense to say that no one understands you unless they could hear you. No one would think you are out of your mind unless they could hear. No one could interpret what you are saying unless they can hear you.
Indeed, God is not a God of confusion. Paul was writing to bring order and propriety to the use of the spiritual gifts. Hence he says that tongues should not be spoken publicly if they are not interpreted. You should not all speak at once. You should limit the number speak to two of three and take turns.
The bias here is clearly yours. You seize upon one word in the passage and try make it mean what you want regardless of the context of the whole passage.
Olivaire Watler
Aaron Noble continuing in response to your 17 point list.
3. I agree that not all have the gift of tongues. I think to insist on tongue-speaking as the only sign of the baptism of the Holy Spirit will in some cases induce fleshly imitations.
4. The gift of tongues given on the day of Pentecost indeed enabled the Apostles to speak in the languages of their hearers. It required no interpretation. It is equally clear that tongues in 1 Cor. 14 were not for to preach the gospel to foreign language speakers who were listening and did require the gift of interpretation. I have already explained that at length.
Aaron Noble
Olivaire Watler.. People thought they were drunk on Pentecost when they were speaking in unknown languages… But I digress.
Olivaire Watler
Aaron Noble they did not think they were out of their minds and they could understand what they were saying without an interpreter.
Aaron Noble
Olivaire Watler not all could understand every language?! Only those who were speaking in their known language. Thats precisely how they did understand
Olivaire Watler
Aaron Noble ??♂️. You cannot possibly get that from exegeting the passage. That’s eisegesis. Let’s review. You said that tongues were for the purpose of spreading gospel by speaking in the foreign languages of your hearers. That was true on the day of Pentecost. People from many nations heard them in their own language WITHOUT an interpreter. Now we have 1 Cor. 14 where no understands you, what you are saying is unintelligible, you are speaking mysteries to God, you require someone with the gift of interpretation. Surely it must dawn on you that we could not possibly be speaking about the same kind of tongues otherwise it would have worked exactly how Pentecost did.
Was the Holy Spirit confused? Didn’t he know what language those hearing spoke?
Aaron Noble
Olivaire Watler Nowhere in the Bible is anyone quoted saying yabba bogo dogga loogoo.. You make up what you think is ”tongues” to fit your bias and to act special in mans eyes… But the Bible is clear from Genesis on : And the LORD said, “If they have begun to do this as one people speaking the same language, then nothing they devise will be beyond them. Come, let Us go down and confuse their language, so that they will not understand one another’s speech.”
Olivaire Watler
Aaron Noble ok. So you realise you are unable to address my points and you have gone off on a tangent.
Olivaire Watler
Aaron Noble continuing on your 17 items:
6. //Jesus never spoke in tongues//
That is a non-point. It proves nothing at all. The extended portion of Mark 16 has Jesus saying that tongues will accompany believers. Even if that was not a part of the original text it must have reflected the conviction of early Christians.
7. //unknown tongues// I have already dealt with this.
8. //praying in a foreign language in the congregation//
Your interpretation matches nothing at all in the text. Earlier you were suggesting that praying in the spirit meant you were praying silently, but here you are saying that it means praying aloud in a foreign language. Why would the Holy Spirit enable someone to pray aloud in a language no one understands if the purpose of the gift of tongues is to communicate the gospel in the language of your hearers as you claim. That point has no merit at all.
9. //whatever the Spirit imparts is intelligible but the modern phenomenon is unintelligible//
It helps if you read 1 Cor. 14 thoroughly before commenting. It specifically says in verse 9 that the Corinthian tongues were unintelligible.
Anthony Ajon Tan
https://youtu.be/wtF5c_zobIU
Varnel Watson
Aaron Noble You are OFF topic and your comments should be removed from this thread by the admins I am more than happy to create a Pentecostal tongue topic IF Nikki Sheppick allows it and explain the doctrine and praxis Biblically I believe that you attacked the link of the thread that has nothing to do with the prayer in the post because you are a mason who claims to be a Christian too Can you be a Christian and be a Mason too? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/can-you-be-a-christian-and-be-a-mason-too/
Nikki Sheppick
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Varnel Watson
Nikki Sheppick Thank you for your timely intervention Since I was called upon by name to theologically defend an apologetic position am I allowed to post separate discussion in defense of the said position ? THANKS
Nikki Sheppick
Troy Day Will confer with Admin. and Mods. ….
Varnel Watson
Nikki Sheppick 2 posts coming up THANK YOU
Aaron Noble
I would never be a Mason!! I spoke on tongues by my experience in a Pentecostal church. Only trying to help others. God bless
Greg Coupe
What’s the Great Architect of the Universe?
Varnel Watson
a satanic idol believed replacing the REAL GOD in a new world order that has been pressed upon us via medial surveillance
Ann Smit
Please share this on my wall as I totally Agree
Roberta Jackson
Olivaire Watler “it’s not necessarily a language which is intelligible to humans without the gift of tongues interpretation.”
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE. [emphasis mine]
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilæans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judæa, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
Olivaire Watler
Roberta Jackson We are all familiar with what happened on the day of Pentecost. Do you know that tongues are mentioned elsewhere in the NT? Please have a read of Acts 10, Acts 19, 1 Cor. 12 and 1 Cor. 14. And then we can have a conversation.
Roberta Jackson
Olivaire Watler I’ve read them many times. Do you have a point?
Varnel Watson
Masonism is from satan
Olivaire Watler
Roberta Jackson I have laid out my points in detail above in my comment that you appeared to be responding to. It doesn’t appear that you read it though or you would know my point.