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Alan N Carla Smith | PentecostalTheology.com
What happened to this prophetic utterance? Assembly Bill 2943 now reads:
- A religious ministry could not hold a conference on maintaining sexual purity if the conference encourages attendees to avoid homosexual behavior.
- A bookstore (even online bookstores) could not sell many recently published books challenging gender identity ideology and advocating that these beliefs should be rejected by society.
- A pastor paid to speak at an event addressing current social topics could not encourage attendees that they can prevail over same-sex desires or feelings that they were born the wrong sex.
SOURCE: https://www.facebook.com/perrystonevoe/posts/1058680284166694
Perry Stone Ministries (October 25, 2015)
MAJOR ALERT: I have just been informed of a major plan by the extreme left, that has the support over 100 House members and numerous Senators, that if passed would make it a crime for churches and ministers to publically say the gay lifestyle is a sin, or not allow them to use your church for their own meetings. It would become a crime and the Justice Department would investigate the allegations of “discrimination”, and if the church or minister is “guilty” leveling fines, or if need be incarcerating the leaders. The majority of the politicians among these church haters that are intolerant to traditional religious beliefs happen to be with linked with the “donkey party,” and most have no liking for conservative Christians and will use the law to “Silence the religious right,” as they call it. We will soon find out within the “church” who is on the Lord’s side of the Scriptures and who is “halting between two opinions.” It is the days of Elijah all over again, where the Spirit of Jezebel is after the heads (voices) of the men of God. There is serious government persecution coming to all who stand for truth, and when the “left” becomes violent, as did the men of Sodom against Lot, threatening to rape him for his rebuke of their iniquity, God will change the game and the United States hedge will be removed and catastrophic natural disasters will be unleased. Please mark this day, this post and repost to as many as possible. We must pray for God’s Word to always prevail. Also, a UK report from scientists stated that in the future the earth in in danger of a catastrophic meteor shower! Hummm – I recall Jesus predicting the “stars falling from heaven and the powers of heaven being shaken.” Sounds like the last days! – more to come on periscope
If so, what will the church do about it?
Alan N Carla Smith [10/27/2015 10:41 AM]
Perry Stone writes.. “MAJOR ALERT: I have just been informed of a major plan by the extreme left, that has the support over 100 House members and numerous Senators, that if passed would make it a crime for churches and ministers to publically (sic) say the gay lifestyle is a sin, or not allow them to use your church for their own meetings,”
John Kissinger [10/27/2015 12:23 PM]
Jon Sellers Ed Brewer Timothy Carter your take on that?
John Kissinger [10/27/2015 12:37 PM]
FULL TEXT http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/perry-stone-100-house-members-to-support-a-bill-to-outlaw-churches-and-ministers-to-say-gay-lifestyle-is-sin/
Timothy Carter [10/27/2015 12:38 PM]
B we have seen this coming for years. This is actually no surprise. Although it is sad it is inevitable due to the increasing propaganda of sexual immorality across the globe.
Ed Brewer [10/27/2015 3:02 PM]
More sensationalistic drivel and fearmongering – nothing new – reason we have the 1st amendment in the first place
John Kissinger [10/27/2015 9:00 PM]
Police arrested Kentucky Chaplain David Wells for telling inmates homosexuality was a sin, according to Fox News.
A city ordinance in Idaho demanded pastors perform same-sex ceremonies or go to jail.
Former Atlanta fire chief Kelvin Cochran lost his job for calling homosexuality an “impure” lifestyle. Furthermore, Democrats actively seek to expand the Civil Rights Act of 1964 with the Equality Act to include LGBT people.
Ed Brewer [10/27/2015 9:25 PM]
Obviously there are those who will try to violate the 1st amendment, but the process is there — in order… David Wells had his VOLUNTEER counseling status revoked, but he wasn’t arrested and the case is pending…..the Idaho city ordinance deals with a public, for-profit wedding chapel that openly advertised for Christian AND ‘other’ services, and the sanction threatened was a misdemeanor….. Chief Kelvin Cochran is fighting his firing, but the crux of the matter is his violation of an ethics clause that he signed as a condition of employment – this one will play out in the courts, but the system is working and his difficulty is raising a counterbalance to the subterfuge of incremental acceptance – a good thing. Bottom line for me…. there’s a profound difference between panic and the prophetic, and it’s past time we engage our intellect and prayerfully reject such manipulative pandering.
Alan N Carla Smith [10/28/2015 7:41 PM]
What?!?
Ya know, to be exCOG you sure care what COG people think, don’t you?
I could care-a-less what Paul Conn, Mark Williams or any other of those guys sit in Cleveland think about what Perry says. We all know CoG ia reactive rather than proactive.
Melvin Harter [10/28/2015 7:43 PM]
I think ultimately Lee University will go the way of Harvard, Yale and many other colleges and universities. It will break from the stronghold of its denomination and stand on its own.
Kevin B Snider [10/28/2015 7:44 PM]
Here’s the whole piece for those who may be interested: http://leeclarion.com/news/2015/10/23/president-conn-affirms-no-condemnation-no-compromise-stance-on-homosexuality/
Charles Page [10/28/2015 7:45 PM]
no, I read the statement thoroughly. Maybe you are blindly following and are subjective in your statement.
Charles Page [10/28/2015 7:46 PM]
Stone is making a stand against gays and Conn is making a stand against those who stand against gays.
Alan N Carla Smith [10/28/2015 8:48 PM]
Whatever CP. Hate on Perry all you want, shower your love on Conn and the Cleveland Posse and maybe they will give you a kickback. Just hope they don’t turn you in to the feds… cry emoticon
Alan N Carla Smith [10/28/2015 9:23 PM]
Pandering? Such as politics?
Charles Page [10/28/2015 10:48 PM]
I have been turned into a new born child of God by the Holy Ghost, what can the CoG turn me into?
Alan N Carla Smith [10/28/2015 11:48 PM]
Nice.. go with it. Newly born child of God by the Holy Ghost.
Just start your own/new thread.
John Kissinger [10/29/2015 7:56 AM]
Position discussed fully before here http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/church-of-god-instructions-for-ministers-marriage-and-same-sex-relationship/ All member comments in the discussions have been archived here http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/perry-stone-100-house-members-to-support-a-bill-to-outlaw-churches-and-ministers-to-say-gay-lifestyle-is-sin/
Carl Murphy
Yet not one representative identified not one quote not one of anything but jibber jabber
Danny W. Gilliland
It is a sin!
Varnel Watson
http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/4-steps-to-avoid-a-lawsuit-after-u-s-supreme-courts-decision-on-same-sex-marriage/
Maryjane Williams
STILL PREACH IT FROM THE PULPITS…I’d be more afraid of God’s wrath than man’s Supreme Court
Charles Page
red flag: I have been informed
Terry Wiles
The sad part is they probably won’t have to build bigger prisons if it passes.
Stan Wayne
This guy is a bomb thrower
Valentino Wariki
They are blind…sorry to said
Debi N Barker
PRAY PRAY PRAY AND THEN PRAY SOME MORE
Robert Borders
Perry says a lot of stuff
Shane Snow
This 2015
Varnel Watson
Perry says it all
Keith Day
this was in 2015. It must not have past but the left will keep trying we need to watch and pray
Varnel Watson
or has it?
Jeanette Elizondo
Pray people !!
Nora Neel-Toney
It is disgusting how far America is straying from God. Even the churches have changed.
Kenneth LaTampa
I don’t care what “law” they pass.
It will not overrule what God has said.
Varnel Watson
but it will mess in your church business
Eugene Stiger
Daniel Lucien have you seen this?
Varnel Watson
has he really /?
Eric Jones
This was from 2016
Varnel Watson
yes this agenda has been going on for a while
Don Watson
This is blatantly anti constitutional! Even more so, it contradicts the Word of God. Christians, let us pray for Truth (God’s truth, if there is any doubt) to prevail! DEW
Varnel Watson
CAN WE ALL AGREE this is bad for the church in America today? Ricky Grimsley Robert Erwine or what? William DeArteaga Did we ever restore your work on transgender demons? It may be time to get it back in circulation with all happening around
Les Snowden
how are they going to outlaw the Truth ?
William DeArteaga
With laws
Les Snowden
I’m sticking with God’s laws man’s laws keep changing
Varnel Watson
Les Snowden nomos?
Les Snowden
sorry Troy dont kmow what nomos is ?
Varnel Watson
noms gr. word for LAW
Michael Green
Freedom of religion? They should be arrested for breaking the Constitution
Michael Green
Government cannot regulate religion
Robert Erwine
perry stone is full of paranoia and hate and need to keep his nonsense to himself and not spread it . there is NO truth to this story !
Darrin Howard
This is what will happen if you vote Democrat. Democrats consider gays to be a race that cant be discriminated against.
Darrin Howard
Trump is putting conservative judges in the courts that will uphold and preserve your religious freedom.
Jeanette Elizondo
I AM PRAYING !!
Varnel Watson
how would they do that? Darrin Howard
Darrin Howard
Well all the new democrats running for president have said that if churches dont honor gay and transgendered people that they will take the churchs tax exempt status away.
Varnel Watson
Darrin Howard but how would POTUS do what you said?
Darrin Howard
Trump has promised never to do anything like that and to preserve and fight for our religious freedom.
Darrin Howard
but if a Democrat becomes president then they will put liberal judges in the courts that will treat gays the same as racial issues.
Varnel Watson
Darrin Howard YES Trump promised a lot to all his 3 wives and more Many have attested to that over time
Darrin Howard
Troy Day Trump defends the christian faith.and puts conservative Judges in the courts.
Darrin Howard
If we get a Democrat in office it will be a DISASTER. AS Things are BAD ENOUGH AS IT IS.
Darrin Howard
The Roman Catholic church is protecting pedophiles.Homesexuals are being ordained into the Gospel ministry.Morality,Truth and integrity are Mocked in the Media.The supreme court has Removed Bibles and the Ten commandments from schools and condoms and abortions have been brought in its place.
Varnel Watson
Darrin Howard did you just change your profile picture? What are you expecting with the impeachment voting today?
Darrin Howard
yes i changed my profile pic to a picture when i was 16
Varnel Watson
witch hunt?
Darrin Howard
Yes the Inspector General Michael Horowitz report will show that The F.B.I and law enforcement try to stop any politician that doesent follow the liberal,Progressive Norms.
Darrin Howard
When The Horowitz I.G Report drops all Hell will break loose. because liberal democrats have controlled the system for years and years.
Darrin Howard
The Horowitz I.G REPORT Will show that Trump has been set up and framed by high government officials.
Daniel J Hesse
Chicken little on a biscuit?
Varnel Watson
due process has been started
Varnel Watson
https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/satan-hates-this-man-perry-stone-says-trumps-critics-have-demons-in-them/
Varnel Watson
it is TRUE Ricky Grimsley Henry Volk Hugh Lowrie
Varnel Watson
Franklin Graham is right and even more GOD IS RIGHT INSTEAD OF PROMOTING SEXUAL PERVERSIONS AND DEVIANCE AND PLAYING INTO THE DEVIL’S WAY WE NEED TO GRASP THE FACT THAT THE PORNOGRAPHY INDUSTRY AIDED BY THE ACLU IT’S FINANCIAL COHORT AND RECIPIENT HAS FOUND THE CLINTONS AND OBAMA’S JUDICIAL APPOINTMENTEES WILL GLADLY ABUSE THE CONSTITUTION AND THE GODLY PRINCIPLES THAT THE GOVERNMENT WAS FOUNDED UPON. WE IN THIS NATION HAVE BEEN FACED WITH THE SLICK DEEP STATE OF THESE TWO LIBERAL SOCIALISM DRIVEN POWER DEMONS AND THEIR UNDERLINGS. THANK GOD FOR THE INTELLIGENCE, THE FORTITUDE, AND THE BELIEF IN GODLY PRINCIPLES THAT THE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE AND TEAM MEMBERS AND THEIR FAMILIES HAVE SHOWN TO STAND SOLID WITH OUR FOUNDERS. ANYONE WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND HOMOSEXUALITY AND ALL OF IT’S COMPLEXITIES HAS TO BE TAUGHT AND ENLIGHTENED AS TO THE PREDITORIAL NATURE OF THIS ILLNESS. THE SAD THING ABOUT THIS DEVIANCE IS THE FACT THAT IT IS FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF MANY OTHER SEXUAL PERVERSIONS WHICH ARE ALSO UNGODLY ACCORDING TO THE LAWS SET BY GOD. ONE PERSON’S SIN IS ANOTHER PERSON’S PLEASURE IN THE WORLD OF SEX AND PROCREATION . HOWEVER WHEN WE BREAKDOWN THE LAWS OF GOD AND MAN’S LAWS THE SOCIETY’S VERY EXISTENCE BECOMES DYSFUNCTIONAL AND DEVIANCE BECOMES THE NORM WHICH LEADS TO SELF DESTRUCTION AND DETERIORATION OF SOCIAL NORMS IN A DIVIDED SOCIETY. WE ALL MUST REMEMBER THE PRINCIPLES OF GOD AND HIS DESIGN. WE MUST LOVE THE SINNERS (INCLUDING OURSELVES) BUT NOT THE SIN. REMEMBER IT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT’S JOB TO CONVICT AND GOD’S JOB TO JUDGE AND MY (OUR) JOB TO LOVE. YES, I LOVE MAYOR PETE BUT NO I WOULD NOT VOTE FOR HIM OR HIS PARTNER. HOWEVER THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO RUN. LOVE TO ALL.
Varnel Watson
The Constitution does indeed guarantee freedom of speech and religion. Unfortunately it does not guarantee tax exempt status for churches. There may be a cost for that free speech.
Additionally, we christians tend to have our pet peeve sins. The devil loves that. Jesus told us to repent also. To me that means a homosexual can be forgiven and saved and that would be evidenced by repentance. Likewise we who are taken into adultery in a straight setting must also repent.
Its the whole speck and beam thing
Ray E Horton
Troy Day Realizing that real repentance involves the determination to change.
Varnel Watson
coming soon to s city near you
Varnel Watson
This issue is still a possibility, and is to alert the Brethren and Sister’s of that possibility in the way they vote and the need of prayer. The only way this or any other issue will stir anger, hatred and fear is walking in our humanistic flesh and not the Spirit. Opinions due just that, opinions are like noses everyone has one.
I agree with most of what you are saying. Except that you only have to confess and ask for forgiveness and believe to be accepted into heaven. That is how you get there but if you believe jesua died for our sins then you must follw in his teachings also. If you ask for forgiveness for something then you obviously recognize it as a sin and must leave those sins at the alter and not return to that behavior. It is pointless and hypocritical to ask forgiveness for anything with full intentions of doing the same thing again. The church i attend does not judge anyone and as we all have sinned, all are welcome. Even if you are still living in sin. All are loved and we just hope that by being in Gods presence and seeing how he blesses us and hearing his word that any who are there will come to know God and do what is taught in the bible. I am not gay but i am a recovering addict and and have committed adultry and lied and every other sin that can be broken. I see no difference between any of them. The bible teaches that one sin is as bad as another. It also teaches us to try and live to the best of our ability as jesus did.
There were some things in the old testement that were laws of man and not of god and some things that did change when jesus died on the cross. One example is blood sacrifice. Jesuses blood took the place of that. I like alot of what you said and made me see a couple things in a different sense and only spoke what was on my mind that maybe my words would help you do the same. God bless you.
Varnel Watson
Jason L. Petersen pulpit n pen a somewhat reformed liberals What do you say about this here prophetic utterance
Keith Brich
Dude is nuts. Stay away from him.
Nate Graham
My life is pretty much the same as y’all’s. Unless sex is the only factor in a lifestyle.
Varnel Watson
you can say that BUT is it true?
Wilson Noel Perez Jr.
Nate Graham What do you mean?
Hingano Kaitu'u
so sad thats the mark of the beast.
Varnel Watson
if you read the articles it is actually a new LAW bill in CA
Hingano Kaitu'u
Troy Day I just did!
Varnel Watson
THANK YOU for working on this one with me Nikki Sheppick and recognize its importance I just posted another similar one for your review and approval WHY is this topic important and is FAR from just politics
This BILL was proposed some 5 yrs ago in 2015 Old news and it was quickly forgotten IN essence the BILL proposed would make it a crime for churches and ministers to publically say the gay lifestyle is a sin, or not allow them to use your church for their own meetings. It would become a crime and the Justice Department would investigate the allegations of “discrimination”, and if the church or minister is “guilty” leveling fines, or if need be incarcerating the leaders.
So this is not that BIG of a news as many states already have legal provision that one – you – the church – cannot should not convert gays back to straight It is actually a LAW – cant do it or jail time
But in CALIFORNIA last year they took it to a notch higher CA now has a bill that literally reads this
What happened to this prophetic utterance? Assembly Bill 2943 now reads:
A religious ministry could not hold a conference on maintaining sexual purity if the conference encourages attendees to avoid homosexual behavior.
A bookstore (even online bookstores) could not sell many recently published books challenging gender identity ideology and advocating that these beliefs should be rejected by society.
A pastor paid to speak at an event addressing current social topics could not encourage attendees that they can prevail over same-sex desires or feelings that they were born the wrong sex.
SOURCE: https://www.facebook.com/perrystonevoe/posts/1058680284166694
Nikki Sheppick
Things of the world, are all evil, except for those who have escaped the evils of the world in-through-by-with Jesus the Christ, …. and unless the salt remains salt-y, then where do we stand?
Varnel Watson
BEEN trying to TELL ppl https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/evangelical-group-wants-gays-removed-anti-lynching-bill-n956831?fbclid=IwAR0WPylXlqm3u7zYO66tmE77Spt2C9XIl7UBbj8JqFCL6NvKwqMPoU1wJUw
Varnel Watson
THIS is a BIG ONE Neil Steven Lawrence Steve Losee Larry Dale Steele NOT only it proves Perry was 100% right BUT it also shows why 3,000 pastors are protesting in CA right now Speak UP for the TRUTH
Steve Losee
If it’s outlawed we have a mandate to disobey that law. Let’s crowd the jails & let them take care of us until they come to their senses. Besides, we’ll have captive audiences there.
Varnel Watson
MAJOR ALERT: I have just been informed of a major plan by the extreme left, that has the support over 100 House members and numerous Senators, that if passed would make it a crime for churches and ministers to publically say the gay lifestyle is a sin, or not allow them to use your church for their own meetings. It would become a crime and the Justice Department would investigate the allegations of “discrimination”, and if the church or minister is “guilty” leveling fines, or if need be incarcerating the leaders. The majority of the politicians among these church haters that are intolerant to traditional religious beliefs happen to be with linked with the “donkey party,” and most have no liking for conservative Christians and will use the law to “Silence the religious right,” as they call it.
What happened to this prophetic utterance? Assembly Bill 2943 now reads:
A religious ministry could not hold a conference on maintaining sexual purity if the conference encourages attendees to avoid homosexual behavior.
A bookstore (even online bookstores) could not sell many recently published books challenging gender identity ideology and advocating that these beliefs should be rejected by society.
A pastor paid to speak at an event addressing current social topics could not encourage attendees that they can prevail over same-sex desires or feelings that they were born the wrong sex.
Varnel Watson
Karl Ernst Von Buddenbrock this also from Pentecostals with great respect. Pls note this is much bigger issue than Islam in America. Our church here is split between Islam Sharia law in Michigan and CA that says death to gay ppl and then laws that say we cannot preach against gay ppl or try to convert them The recent CA bill is a prime example How are we to defend the faith apologetically? This JUST IN again during the Trump administration https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/supreme-court-decision-lgbtq-employment-scotus-1015243/?fbclid=IwAR1ErByqt7hFHcB7N40okBEVGMKgJ_DHsLhlfnkbXBUpyj_7xKCoCA3v22I