A Pentecostal responce to the Calvinist/Arminian Dialogue

Posted by Howard Gardner in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post

Both yesterday and today I responded to the Calvinist/Arminian debate on another site by noting that a popular radio speaker told his congregation that not only was it impossible to lose your salvation but that if one had made a sincere commitment to Christ it was then safe to commit suicide as you would still go to Heaven. A member of this man’s own congregation thus did in fact take his own life. (I think many of you will know what radio speaker I am talking about) Additionally we had an individual just south of where I live do exactly the same thing. I attended that man’s funeral and heard the statement that the man was in Heaven beyond question as he had knelt at the alter some years back and it was thus impossible for him to have lost his salvation. To me, whether you are Calvinist or Arminian, this is a dangerous thing to be saying from the pulpit as you never know when someone on the brink might be taking it to heart. Both times my post was erased. The first time I was called a hypocrite and a liar and told to repent. I would like your opinion friends, did I do something for which I should repent? I still think individuals such as this need to be called on the carpet. Please tell me if I am wrong.

Theresa Walker [12/09/2014 12:36 PM]
I agree whole heartedly with you.

Roger Cotton [12/09/2014 12:55 PM]
I agree with you. It is unbiblical for preachers to make those statements.

Paul Hughes [12/09/2014 1:41 PM]
Calvinism is a scourge on the Church, a false construct based on extreme notions of God’s sovereignty, and continues to be, even though many contemporary advocates have mitigated some of the most overtly objectionable tenets.

Infectious Errors of Calvinism

14 Comments

  • Jon Ray
    Reply August 21, 2016

    Jon Ray

    Ricky Grimsley David Lewayne Porter Calvinism truly has spawned great errors, many of which have even infected Pentecostalism.

    You have heard people say, “God is in control”? Where does the Bible say that? It says God withdrew himself from Adam & Eve, & the devil is now “the prince of the power of the air” (Ephesians 2:2). God is in the process of “putting all things under [Christ’s] feet,” the last enemy of which will be death (1 Corinthians 15:26). Till then, the Church is in a spiritual war. We have to pray pray pray, and walk in the power and revelation of the Holy Spirit, to not be deceived but walk in truth, to not fall away but to “endure to the end.”

    You have heard that God knows the future? Is God reading tea leaves or a road map? No, He MAKES the future, according to his Plan.

  • Ricky Grimsley
    Reply August 21, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    Well God is in control in because he sets parameters and powers in their place. He doesnt meticulously control every event but he can certainly prevent them. I agree that God is making his plan happen as opposed to foreknowing it. I believe when the bible apeaks of God’s foreknowledge that is in reference to God having a plan and preserving that plan ie. Jacob and Esau. I do believe that most people do not understand God’s sovereignty and have abdicated their roles in helping the kingdom using God’s will as their excuse.

    • David Lewayne Porter
      Reply August 21, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      I do believe and agree with you on your first statement (God is in control because He sets the parameters in place and powers in their place.).
      I submit that God making His plan happen works perfectly with His Foreknowledge – as in telling creation to bring forth after their kind, which it still does,, and Him creating them with their seeds within themselves as He foreknew and did.

      I fully agree with your closing,
      “I do believe most people do not understand God’s sovereignty and have abdicated their roles in helping the kingdom using God’s will as their excuse.

      Here is a closing thought on God’s sovereignty,
      James that had touched handled and been with Jesus. James had been been taught by him and said this;
      James 4:13-15 Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
      *For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.*

      So who is ALREADY in control of Tomorrow. (Notice the period and no question mark). Who controls it more than we do (even to the point and time of our death).

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply August 21, 2016

      Ricky Grimsley

      God is in control but he hasnt always decided yet.
      Isaiah 38:1,5 KJVS
      [1] In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz came unto him, and said unto him, Thus saith the Lord , Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live. [5] Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the Lord , the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.

    • David Lewayne Porter
      Reply August 21, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      And yet in our finite minds we can’t reconcile the scriptures that say He does.
      We don’t know God fully. Nor can we.

      I submit God knew Hezekiah’s reply in advance and had it in His intention to add the 15 years even before He placed him in that position to cry out with tears.

      My (personal) belief that is not changing.

    • Ricky Grimsley
      Reply August 21, 2016

      Ricky Grimsley

      I have reconciled them for me

    • David Lewayne Porter
      Reply August 21, 2016

      David Lewayne Porter

      I guess then that is all that should matter.

  • David Lewayne Porter
    Reply August 21, 2016

    David Lewayne Porter

    The earth is the Lord’s the fulness the thereof, the world and they that dwell in it. PS 24:1
    Repeated in 1 Cor 10:26&28.

    The devil is the prince and power of the air, and yet said of Jesus
    Matthew 8:26-27
    And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm. But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!

    Not just calm,
    But GREAT calm.

    I did not mention God owning the cattle on 1,000 hill.

    God personally chose Jerusalem for Himself (ex 1 Kings 11:36, 14:21) and many more.

  • Ricky Grimsley
    Reply August 21, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    But when did God decide to choose Jerusalem. Lol

  • David Lewayne Porter
    Reply August 21, 2016

    David Lewayne Porter

    At a time preceding creation (but when did He manifest that choice and voice it)?

    That is where we differ in our personal interpretation (choice and plan verses when it is revealed to man), which does not change the plan of salvation.

    Do a study on when the scriptures say
    (In the fulness of time).
    Time finally caught up with His Foreknowledge and plan.

  • Troy Day
    Reply August 26, 2016

    Troy Day

    Chose Arminianism and reject all Calvinists!

  • Ricky Grimsley
    Reply August 26, 2016

    Ricky Grimsley

    Im not a calvinist. I just dont see any practical difference between the two views. Whatever labels and reasons you put on the two….both of you have an unalterable future from before creation. I just dont believe that. If im wrong….God made me like this anyway…..what can I do. Lol

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 17, 2017

    Troy Day

    Wayne Scott This is why Calvinist/Arminian Dialogue excludes Pelegianism

  • Grover Katzmarek Sr
    Reply June 18, 2017

    Grover Katzmarek Sr

    Wow. Unbelievable when all scripture is considered

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