Bro. Paul Washer, is Sinners Prayer really sending people to hell?

Bro. Paul Washer, is Sinners Prayer really sending people to hell?
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Bro. Paul Washer, is Sinners Prayer really sending people to hell?

Recently I attended a wonderful concert with one of my favorite praise and worship bands. It was an awesome experience of worshiping with thousands of saints, singing and making a joyful noise to our God. I was loving every minute of it until after one of the sets, one of the worship leaders proceeded to do an invitation for salvation. Immediately it reminded me of a man by the name of Paul Washer.

Its been a couple of years since I first listened to a sermon by  someone who is now one of my favorite preachers, Paul Washer. Anyone who has listened to Paul Washer knows that he has a passion for the gospel, a passion for souls, a passion for truth. Another observation that anyone who’s listened to Washer will note, is that he hates the “sinner’s prayer”. I must admit that I do not hate the sinners prayer, but I do think it is totally abused, misused and misunderstood concept.

The sinner’s prayer, for those of you not familiar is a prayer that someone usually a teacher, preacher, or maybe friend leads someone to repeat in order to become “saved”, or a christian. It usually goes something like this:

“God I know that I have sinned, I believe that you sent Jesus to die for my sins. I want you to come into my life. Amen”

After this, the leader, teacher or preacher who usually leads the prayer says “If you prayed this sincerely you are saved.” Usually but not always, the preacher will recommend to those who prayed the prayer, to tell someone about their decision , to start reading the Bible and then find a Bible believing church.

So what’s the problem with this you may ask?

First, where is the sinner’s prayer in the Bible?  I think the closest thing that comes to it is Romans 10:9-10 which says

If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

Case closed right? This scripture clearly says that we need to say with our mouth Jesus is Lord and believe and we will be saved. I would say this is only part of the picture. In all Biblical gospel presentations there are at least three basic elements that need to explicitly be stated, and one that should be implicitly understood and communicated

 

1.The need to acknowledge and repent of sins

2. To believe that God has saved us through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and not through any work of our own. 

3. The implicitly understood principal that true salvation should be accompanied by evidence or fruit.

Here’s some scriptures that provide evidence

Mark 1:15, Matthew 4:17, Luke 5:32, Luke 24:47, Acts 2:38, Acts 3:19-21, Acts 17:29-31.

So here is my beef, and its not so much with the sinners prayer but with how it is used. Most of the time this prayer is kind of a thrown in at the end of a church service or in a counseling room with no real teaching or explanation of repentance, why Jesus died, and how we are saved.

Even worse is the pronouncing that those who prayed the prayer are now immediately saved. What usually happens most of the time unintentionally is that those who pray the prayer thinking that “well because I prayed the prayer I’m good with God”. There are many people who think they are going to heaven just because they said “the prayer”. You will have seen this thinking frequently if you’ve ever been witnessing and asked someone “How do they know they are saved? or Why should they go to heaven?

One of my pet peeves that irks me even more is when the pastor will say the prayer for those who go forward to get saved and then asks the whole congregation to repeat the prayer as sort of a safety net or magic wand to save those who may not have said the prayer. I know as a kid I would frequently repeat the prayer, just to be safe. I figured if I prayed the prayer seven or eight times I would be super saved.

As we investigate the issue however we will notice that a fundamental doctrine has failed to be properly taught in many circumstances and that is Assurance of Salvation. In other words the doctrine of How do we know we are saved?

There are many people who sincerely believe because they prayed a prayer sincerely during one time of their life they will go to heaven. There are people who are going to hell partly because they have a misunderstanding of biblical repentance, and have understood the prayer as the one work they need to do to be saved.

We as believers, pastors, teachers, parents need to stress the fact that one of the fruits of salvation is a continued lifestyle of conviction and repentance of sins. There should be an inward witness that both convicts and assures people when they are in sin, but that they are also forgiven.

I think one of the biggest issues that we need to address is that we need to get over the drive through mentality when it comes to counseling for salvation. I know at times we feel that if people have to wait another 30 minutes for counseling they will not want to be saved, but if a person is serious about committing their life to God why wouldn’t they wait 30 minutes. We are consistently trying to eliminate hurdles to coming to Christ and make it as easy as possible. People should come to the altar with everyone’s eyes closed, they just need to repeat a prayer, and then go to a five minute counseling session. They don’t need to make any commitments to church. Here’s the thing Jesus wants people to count the cost, he wants people to give their whole lives  to him, so if a person cannot give five minutes, how do we expect them to take up their cross and give up their lives. This is one of the reasons that there are so many goats in our churches. There is no challenge. We have changed the narrow road into a comfy escalator ride with a latte in hand; one simple prayer escorts us smoothly into a paradise in the sky.

I realize that we don’t always have time allotted to give a 30 minute counseling session, but if I had to explain salvation to someone quickly I would say the following.

God has offered us the wonderful gift of salvation through his son Jesus Christ. He sent his son to pay the penalty for our sins, so that we wouldn’t have to suffer wrath in Hell. Christ proved he was the Son of God by rising from the dead, and promised us that if we repent of our sins and believe in him we could be saved.

Christ tells us to count the cost, because following him will be hard, it will require our willingness to give up everything even our lives. The good thing is that when there are times where we have doubt, or fall into sin, or problems, he promises to be right there and to give us the strength to overcome them. If you are serious about following him Christ asks us to be baptized in his name and calls us to be apart of a local church where we will learn more about how to live and follow him. You can begin this process by  praying with me. This prayer does not save you but is a confession to God of your intent to follow him and your initial repentance for sins.

Here I then could lead them in a prayer very similar to  or even use the “sinners prayer”, get his information and let him know that I would help him in his commitment to follow Christ or connect him with someone who could help him.

So does the sinner’s prayer lead people to hell? No. Their sins do, but when we tell someone that they are saved simply because they prayed a prayer we have aided and abetted them in their sin.The point that we need to emphasize is that following Christ will be hard, salvation is not something we do by praying, but Christ does and  we accept by believing and obeying him. This involves  being accountable and connected to other believers in a local bible believing church.

I’m so glad that God often works despite our own shortcoming and failures. God has saved many people despite us using a prayer, because that is what he does; he saves. Our responsibility is to faithfully communicate how to come to God and prevent any misunderstanding of salvation. I’m hopeful that this may help you and that we all may begin to think more critically about how we lead others to Christ.

 

Corey Forsyth [11/03/2015 2:53 PM]
So I have to hear the explanation as to why the sinners prayer is such a sin. I have always seen it as nothing more than a structure to help unbelievers accept Christ. It seems like a potentially fiery debate based on your post so just for clarity, I am not looking for a fight but for an explanation for your stance. Thanks!

David N Laura Aragon [11/03/2015 3:02 PM]
THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO BECOME BORN AGAIN AND THAT IS OF WATER AND SPIRIT JOHN 3:5. / OBEYING ACTS 2: 38,, THIS IS THE APOSTLES BORN AGAIN DOCTRINE., THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF SALVATION, NOT THEIR SINNERS PRAYER.

Corey Forsyth [11/03/2015 3:12 PM]
So salvation is a process?

Corey Forsyth [11/03/2015 3:15 PM]
And stop shouting! I can hear you. LOL

David N Laura Aragon [11/03/2015 3:26 PM]
LUKE 13:3,- MARK 16:16, ACTS 10:48, ACTS 2:38, OBEY THIS PROCESS,

Eric Shonebarger [11/03/2015 4:01 PM]
So David N Laura Aragon, how do you communicate that to someone that is lost? Pretend that I need to be saved.

John Kissinger [11/03/2015 4:10 PM]
Eric Shonebarger what is “Hebrews Cafe”?

Corey Forsyth [11/03/2015 5:22 PM]
I would really like an explanation like Eric requested. How do you present that to an unbeliever? Sending an unbeliever to a list of scriptures certainly isn’t going be beneficial since they are almost guaranteed to never look them up in the first place

John Kissinger [11/03/2015 5:24 PM]
You may be the Only Bible Some People Read. This quote is mentioned in AJ Tomlinson’s 1902 issue of “Samson’s Foxes”

David N Laura Aragon [11/03/2015 5:32 PM]
THE SCRIPTURES ARE WHAT WE BELIEVE, THEY HAVE THE POWER , NOT OUR WORDS,OUR FAITH / BELIEF COMES FROM HEARING THE WORDS OF GOD.

Corey Forsyth [11/03/2015 6:07 PM]
That’s a cop out. Jesus didn’t refer people to the scrolls to give His message. Neither did any of the apostles. They used… Wait for it… Their words to spread the Gospel. Based on what you just said, people weren’t able to accept and form of salvation until we had Scripture in book form.

Corey Forsyth [11/03/2015 6:10 PM]
Also, John 1:1 talks an awful lot about the “Word.” If words don’t have power to spread the Gospel, why such emphasis on the Word? If God used His Words to speak the world into existence and He created us in His image, why would our words be insufficient for spreading the Gospel. Especially when we are speaking Scripture (regardless of translation).

David N Laura Aragon [11/03/2015 6:18 PM]
YOUR WORDS ARE NOT GODS WORDS, YOUR WORDS DOES NOT HAVE SALVATION IN THEM . AND YOU SAY COP OUT, BECAUSE I WONT PREACH TO YOU , WHERE IS YOUR UNDERSTAND, CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES, ARE YOU A SINNER, LETS GO AND CHAT VOICE TO VOICE,AND I WII SHARE SALVATION SPEECH WITH YOU.

Corey Forsyth [11/03/2015 6:33 PM]
But your words have no power. You have said this. I am by no means estranged from salvation. I asked you for your method of sharing your salvation speech with an unbeliever. You haven’t done it here but you want me to call you? I am utterly confused at how my words have no power because they aren’t God’s words but yours are good enough for a phone call? This is actually a MAJOR reason I left the apostolic church. Every time I asked a question, it was answered with nothing but cliche and quick bible quotes but no one willing to explain anything to support their belief.

Eric Shonebarger [11/03/2015 6:35 PM]
In the context of Acts 2, Peter definitely explained Joel 2 to get the salvation message out did he not?

David N Laura Aragon [11/03/2015 6:45 PM]
COREY -IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU LIVE BY OPINIONS AND PRIVATE INTERPRETATIONS OF THE SCRIPTURES,YOU SHOULD TRY LIVING BY AS IT IS WRITTEN. I KNOW NOW YOU CHANGED CAUSE YOU LIKED DOING YOU OWN THING AND NOT THE WILL GOD AS IT IS WRITTEN.

Link Hudson [11/03/2015 10:07 PM]
I do see a problem with preachers acting like if you rush a crowdthrough a sinner’s prayer without even preaching the Gospel to them, that they are saved because they went through the ritual of repeating a prayer. If repeating a prayer saves people, why would we think that people who go to churches where they recite the apostle’s creed aren’t saved? The apostles’ creed is a lot better than some of the ‘sinner’s prayers’ I’ve heard for explaining the gospel to people.

John Kissinger [11/04/2015 6:54 AM]
David are you saying that the SINNER’S PRAYER is fruit OF FALSE PROPHETS?

John Kissinger [11/04/2015 9:17 AM]
that’s kind of calvinistic isnt it? David

David N Laura Aragon [11/04/2015 9:24 AM]
WE WILL KNOW OUR ENEMY’S BY THEIR FRUIT. MATTHEW 7:16,

David M. Hinsen [11/04/2015 9:33 AM]
Interesting convo

John Kissinger [11/04/2015 9:42 AM]
yeah, I’m not too sure about it either but there’s a calvinist preacher preaching that from time to time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZyzzSw0Log

John Kissinger [11/04/2015 10:17 AM]
Corey Forsyth this is a very calvinistic approach toward conversion

David N Laura Aragon [11/04/2015 10:19 AM]
YOUR VIDEO IS VERY TRUE, THIS SINNERS PRAYER IS FALSE SALVATION,

Corey Forsyth [11/04/2015 10:23 AM]
To be perfectly honest, I am very unfamiliar with Calvinism. I simply believe that there should be change in someone when they come to Christ. Many alter calls I have seen in my little corner of the world seem to be interested in numbers games and making salvation a light experience. I am not anti sinners prayer but I do agree with Washer that salvation has become too light of an affair. Every one that encountered Christ throughout my study of Scripture experienced change. I remember growing up in the baptist and church of God churches and seeing people accept Christ through true conviction resulting in change. Maybe I am better served to say that I think to more modern “you’re fine the way you are but better with Jesus” mentality rubs me the wrong way.

157 Comments

  • Jerry Eicher
    Reply December 30, 2017

    Jerry Eicher

    I said the sinners prayer when I got saved, but I have to admit that brother Paul does make some good points.

  • Troy Day
    Reply December 30, 2017

    Troy Day

    But does make any theological sense? Confessing sins is the very foundation of being protestant Evangelical since Luther? Washer negates the very foundation of the Reformation sola fide? Not to mention the ministry and the legacy of Billy Graham and many other evangelist. How else would one be saved? Street Preacherz would such claim reflect on the pelegian heresy supported by some in this group? Walter Polasik

  • Street Preacherz
    Reply December 30, 2017

    Street Preacherz

    It is a very practical point. I don’t think anyone should take the liberty to convince someone they are saved. It might be as simple as “packaging” I often pray with people to get right with God. Something like, God I’m sorry for the things I’ve done wrong. I accept the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross for my sin. I don’t want to sin any more. I want to do the right thing. Please help me.” Along those lines a few times. If they are in their right mind. Not everyone is willing to admit wrong doing. Or repent, turn from sin, and ask God for help, and trust in Jesus Christ. I don’t think it’s wrong to get a man praying and confessing sin and asking God for help in Jesus name. Obviously there is much more to living a life that is pleasing to God and honors God than a single prayer but it is a start. Sometimes there is new birth sometimes they get a miracle. The spirit that was dead in sin comes alive to God by faith in Jesus Christ, they are born again. But at no time do I ever give the impression that’s all there is.
    I think Paul washer has a valid point. Doesn’t mean we stop praying with people asking God to help them turn from sin and trust wholly in the Lamb of God.
    These can be tough waters to navigate. Praying with men. Has to happen. In matters of the heart and soul and conscience of a man we must trust God and Jesus Christ. He doeth all things well. Planting and watering. I don’t think anyone should be an evangelist that isn’t willing to stand before God with blood on their hands.

  • Troy Day
    Reply December 30, 2017

    Troy Day

    How can one be saved without prayer? Jerry Eicher

    • Jerry Eicher
      Reply December 30, 2017

      Jerry Eicher

      I never said that people get saved without prayer. What we have though is a lot of people who said a prayer, and there isn’t any evidence that anything happened. When I got said, the next day after I prayed the sinners prayer, I felt a change. I read the Gospel of John that was given to me. The next week I saw the guy who led me to Christ. I told him that I had read the Gospel of John. He said, “You did?” paused for half a second, and said, “Oh, I have something else I would like to give you.” It was shortly have that he gave me an NIV Bible, and I read through the New Testament in about 4 or 5 months. And, I wanted to live a life pleasing to God.
      Most people just say that there was a time and a place where they prayed the sinner’s prayer, and that’s all there is to there testimony. Ray Comfort does a good job of explaining things in his messages: “Hell’s Best Kept Secret” and “True and False Conversion.” People can find these messages on YouTube if they are interested.

    • Troy Day
      Reply December 30, 2017

      Troy Day

      My point is these false preachers claim that how we believe is more important than what we believe. The Progressive types are getting to be just as nauseating as their conservative fundamentalist counterparts. I suspect this is the case because these progressives were once conservative fundamentalists themselves.

  • Jerry Eicher
    Reply December 30, 2017

    Jerry Eicher

    There’s nothing wrong with the prayer. The problem is that many people think that they have assurance simply because they said a prayer. I know I got saved when I did not because I said a prayer but because that’s when God came into my life and started working in my life.

  • Troy Day
    Reply December 30, 2017

    Troy Day

    Is this what Washer says? Isnt he eternal security ?

  • Friar Rodney Burnap
    Reply December 30, 2017

    Friar Rodney Burnap

    This man is anti Pentecostal. .. .he is also a Calvinist…

  • Troy Day
    Reply December 30, 2017

    Troy Day

    Friar I;ve been trying to tell this for a while HOWEVER he astrays from hyper calvinism it seams because includes works. He does have a video or two talking about recognizing charismtics but I dont think he really knows enough about Pentecostalism to be able to make a sound judgment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqOqciJ85PA

  • Friar Rodney Burnap
    Reply December 30, 2017

    Friar Rodney Burnap

    Isn’t this what a Calvinist teach you don’t make a decision it’s predestined for you ….saying a prayer of repentance doesn’t matter if your not one of God’s e·lect…I believe in Whosoever Will you make a decision and pray a prayer of repentance. .. .

    Romans 10:9-10…

    I am not a calvinist… I prayed and I asked Jesus to be the Lord of My Life. . . in prayer. 1John 1:9 (70×7) I am Sanctified I am being Sanctified and I will be Sanctified in the end. Them that endure to the end the same shall be saved. . .Matthew 24:13

    A. Admit your a sinner…and your need for a saver.

    B. Believe Jesus die for your sins…take Jesus by faith to be your Lord and Savior

    C.Confess your sins and forsake them. . .

    Whosoever Will!

    Salvation

    What is the sinner’s prayer?
    The sinners prayer is a Christian term for a prayer that is said when someone wants to repent of their sin, ask God for forgiveness and state belief in the life, death, and saving resurrection of Jesus Christ. Romans 10:9-10 says that “if you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.”
    Millions have come to a saving relationship with Jesus Christ through church services, friends, and family leading them in a salvation prayer. However it is not words in a prayer that save. Jesus Christ alone has the power to save through faith. J.D Greerer explains it well – “It’s not the prayer that saves; it’s the repentance and faith behind the prayer that lays hold of salvation. My concern is that over-emphasizing the prayer has often (though unintentionally) obscured the primary instruments for laying hold of salvation: repentance and faith.”
    The four examples below of the sinners prayer can help you communicate with God that you repent of your sin, accept His forgiveness, and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.
    The Sinner’s Prayer (by Dr. Ray Pritchard)
    Lord Jesus, for too long I’ve kept you out of my life. I know that I am a sinner and that I cannot save myself. No longer will I close the door when I hear you knocking. By faith I gratefully receive your gift of salvation. I am ready to trust you as my Lord and Savior. Thank you, Lord Jesus, for coming to earth. I believe you are the Son of God who died on the cross for my sins and rose from the dead on the third day. Thank you for bearing my sins and giving me the gift of eternal life. I believe your words are true. Come into my heart, Lord Jesus, and be my Savior. Amen.
    If you have prayed this prayer in sincere faith, you may want to put your initials by the prayer along with today’s date as a reminder that you have come to Christ in faith, trusting him as your Lord and Savior.

    Sinner’s Prayer From Scripture – (Psalm 51, King David)
    “Have mercy on me, O God,
    according to Your unfailing love;
    according to Your great compassion
    blot out my transgressions.
    Wash away all my iniquity
    and cleanse me from my sin.
    For I know my transgressions,
    and my sin is always before me.
    Against You, You only, have I sinned
    and done what is evil in Your sight,
    so that You are proved right when You speak
    and justified when You judge.
    Surely I have been a sinner from birth,
    sinful from the time my mother conceived me…
    Cleanse me with hyssop, and I will be clean;
    wash me and I will be whiter than snow…
    Create in me a pure heart, O God,
    and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
    Do not cast me from Your presence
    or take Your Holy Spirit from me.
    Restore to me the joy of Your salvation
    and grant me a willing spirit to sustain me.
    Then will I teach transgressors Your ways,
    and sinners will turn back to You.
    salvation sinner prayer
    The Sinners Prayer (by John Barnett)
    The following prayer expresses the desire to transfer trust to Christ alone for eternal salvation. If its words speak of your own heart’s desire, praying them can be the link that will connect you to God.
    Dear God, I know that I am a sinner and there is nothing that I can do to save myself. I confess my complete helplessness to forgive my own sin or to work my way to heaven. At this moment I trust Christ alone as the One who bore my sin when He died on the cross. I believe that He did all that will ever be necessary for me to stand in your holy presence. I thank you that Christ was raised from the dead as a guarantee of my own resurrection. As best as I can, I now transfer my trust to Him. I am grateful that He has promised to receive me despite my many sins and failures. Father, I take you at your word. I thank you that I can face death now that you are my Savior. Thank you for the assurance that you will walk with me through the deep valley. Thank you for hearing this prayer. In Jesus’ Name. Amen.

  • Troy Day
    Reply December 30, 2017

    Troy Day

    Isn’t this what a Calvinist teach you don’t make a decision it’s predestined for you ….saying a prayer of repentance doesn’t matter if your not one of God’s e·lect – yap yet Washer diviates from Calvinism some

  • Friar Rodney Burnap
    Reply December 30, 2017

    Friar Rodney Burnap

    Yes and Calvinism is not what a Pentecostal. ..is all about…he is also very anti Pentecostal.

  • Friar Rodney Burnap
    Reply December 30, 2017

    Friar Rodney Burnap

  • Troy Day
    Reply December 30, 2017

    Troy Day

    Friar Your attachment cannot be seen because of your privacy settings. What do you think about Washer’s view on holy living whereas Calvinism rejects free will and sanctification as second work of grace?

  • James L Alldredge
    Reply December 30, 2017

    James L Alldredge

    There is no biblical example of a “sinner’s prayer” unless one refers to the moneylender who was looked down upon by the Pharisee who beat his chest and cried “God be merciful to me a sinner”. When Peter was asked “What must we do to be saved?” His response was not repeat after me…

    • Friar Rodney Burnap
      Reply December 30, 2017

      Friar Rodney Burnap

      Isn’t this what a Calvinist teach you don’t make a decision it’s predestined for you ….saying a prayer of repentance doesn’t matter if your not one of God’s e·lect…I believe in Whosoever Will you make a decision and pray a prayer of repentance. .. .

      Romans 10:9-10…

      I am not a calvinist… I prayed and I asked Jesus to be the Lord of My Life. . . in prayer. 1John 1:9 (70×7) I am Sanctified I am being Sanctified and I will be Sanctified in the end. Them that endure to the end the same shall be saved. . .Matthew 24:13

      A. Admit your a sinner…and your need for a saver.

      B. Believe Jesus die for your sins…take Jesus by faith to be your Lord and Savior

      C.Confess your sins and forsake them. . .

      Whosoever Will!

      Salvation

      What is the sinner’s prayer?
      The sinners prayer is a Christian term for a prayer that is said when someone wants to repent of their sin, ask God for forgiveness and state belief in the life, death, and saving resurrection of Jesus Christ. Romans 10:9-10 says that “if you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.”
      Millions have come to a saving relationship with Jesus Christ through church services, friends, and family leading them in a salvation prayer. However it is not words in a prayer that save. Jesus Christ alone has the power to save through faith. J.D Greerer explains it well – “It’s not the prayer that saves; it’s the repentance and faith behind the prayer that lays hold of salvation. My concern is that over-emphasizing the prayer has often (though unintentionally) obscured the primary instruments for laying hold of salvation: repentance and faith.”
      The four examples below of the sinners prayer can help you communicate with God that you repent of your sin, accept His forgiveness, and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.
      The Sinner’s Prayer (by Dr. Ray Pritchard)
      Lord Jesus, for too long I’ve kept you out of my life. I know that I am a sinner and that I cannot save myself. No longer will I close the door when I hear you knocking. By faith I gratefully receive your gift of salvation. I am ready to trust you as my Lord and Savior. Thank you, Lord Jesus, for coming to earth. I believe you are the Son of God who died on the cross for my sins and rose from the dead on the third day. Thank you for bearing my sins and giving me the gift of eternal life. I believe your words are true. Come into my heart, Lord Jesus, and be my Savior. Amen.
      If you have prayed this prayer in sincere faith, you may want to put your initials by the prayer along with today’s date as a reminder that you have come to Christ in faith, trusting him as your Lord and Savior.

      Sinner’s Prayer From Scripture – (Psalm 51, King David)
      “Have mercy on me, O God,
      according to Your unfailing love;
      according to Your great compassion
      blot out my transgressions.
      Wash away all my iniquity
      and cleanse me from my sin.
      For I know my transgressions,
      and my sin is always before me.
      Against You, You only, have I sinned
      and done what is evil in Your sight,
      so that You are proved right when You speak
      and justified when You judge.
      Surely I have been a sinner from birth,
      sinful from the time my mother conceived me…
      Cleanse me with hyssop, and I will be clean;
      wash me and I will be whiter than snow…
      Create in me a pure heart, O God,
      and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
      Do not cast me from Your presence
      or take Your Holy Spirit from me.
      Restore to me the joy of Your salvation
      and grant me a willing spirit to sustain me.
      Then will I teach transgressors Your ways,
      and sinners will turn back to You.
      salvation sinner prayer
      The Sinners Prayer (by John Barnett)
      The following prayer expresses the desire to transfer trust to Christ alone for eternal salvation. If its words speak of your own heart’s desire, praying them can be the link that will connect you to God.
      Dear God, I know that I am a sinner and there is nothing that I can do to save myself. I confess my complete helplessness to forgive my own sin or to work my way to heaven. At this moment I trust Christ alone as the One who bore my sin when He died on the cross. I believe that He did all that will ever be necessary for me to stand in your holy presence. I thank you that Christ was raised from the dead as a guarantee of my own resurrection. As best as I can, I now transfer my trust to Him. I am grateful that He has promised to receive me despite my many sins and failures. Father, I take you at your word. I thank you that I can face death now that you are my Savior. Thank you for the assurance that you will walk with me through the deep valley. Thank you for hearing this prayer. In Jesus’ Name. Amen.

    • Troy Day
      Reply December 30, 2017

      Troy Day

      James L Alldredge There is Paul in Romans – with a mouth confesses We call this an example of sinners prayer from the Bible

    • James L Alldredge
      Reply December 30, 2017

      James L Alldredge

      Salvation is not a matter what we pray but rather how we live, the modern concept of a “making a decision” for Christ is foreign to the New Testament. One was to “bring forth the fruits” of salvation, namely, repentance from sin and faith toward God that manifested in a “newness of life”. Salvation is an internal regeneration of the soul and spirit that manifests outwardly in becoming like Christ, hence the name “Christian”. Paul’s admonition to confess with the mouth the Lord Jesus Christ is not a call to pray but rather to declare openly to all that He is Lord…

    • Troy Day
      Reply December 30, 2017

      Troy Day

      Now that here is true pelegianism Street Preacherz If it was by our life and works we’d still be in sins

    • James L Alldredge
      Reply December 30, 2017

      James L Alldredge

      Not our “life and works” but His life and works, not pelegianism, just New Testament truth. No one in the New Testament would have understood salvation to be possible without a fundamental change of life

    • Troy Day
      Reply December 30, 2017

      Troy Day

      Actually you said “Salvation is …a matter … rather how we live” I beg to differ and so do all protestant evangelicals

    • James L Alldredge
      Reply December 30, 2017

      James L Alldredge

      To tell someone that all they have to do to be saved is to pray a canned prayer is spiritual malpractice.

    • Troy Day
      Reply December 30, 2017

      Troy Day

      Paul said it – believe and confess

    • James L Alldredge
      Reply December 30, 2017

      James L Alldredge

      Any salvation that does not manifest in a changed life is not worth preaching

    • Troy Day
      Reply December 30, 2017

      Troy Day

      That is not what you said above… but oh well

    • James L Alldredge
      Reply December 30, 2017

      James L Alldredge

      You can be as disingenuous as you like, but all protestant evangelicals who read this would recognize that I am referring to the effect of salvation not the means, there is no way to judge the sincerity of a “sinner’s prayer” but by the effect it produces in the person’s life

    • Troy Day
      Reply December 30, 2017

      Troy Day

      James L Alldredge So because you wrote something that does not fit any evangelical theology, now you call me names?

    • James L Alldredge
      Reply December 30, 2017

      James L Alldredge

      What name brother? I called you nothing, I identified the little twist of meaning you used is all. As a matter of record you implied I was teaching pelegianism which is offensive to me but I decided not to take it personally. It is easy to get defensive when one’s cherished traditions are challenged. But to set your mind at ease I believe salvation is by grace through faith and not of works, I just don’t see any biblical support for the “sinner’s prayer” as it is currently applied in the evangelical world.

    • Troy Day
      Reply December 30, 2017

      Troy Day

      You used the word “disingenuous” I am sorry but I do not resort to name calling. Thank you for your comments

    • James L Alldredge
      Reply December 30, 2017

      James L Alldredge

      Disingenuous is not name, it is a description of the act of deliberately misconstruing or misrepresenting the views of another, which is what you did. You could have simply asked for clarification of what I meant instead of resorting to the charge of heresy which would have avoided the whole issue. But since I gave offense I apologize and ask your forgiveness, I in no way wish to offend anyone and will diligently try to be clearer in conveying my meaning in the future…peace

    • Friar Rodney Burnap
      Reply December 30, 2017

      Friar Rodney Burnap

      Sinner’s Prayer From Scripture – (Psalm 51, King David)
      “Have mercy on me, O God,
      according to Your unfailing love;
      according to Your great compassion
      blot out my transgressions.
      Wash away all my iniquity
      and cleanse me from my sin.
      For I know my transgressions,
      and my sin is always before me.
      Against You, You only, have I sinned
      and done what is evil in Your sight,
      so that You are proved right when You speak
      and justified when You judge.
      Surely I have been a sinner from birth,
      sinful from the time my mother conceived me…
      Cleanse me with hyssop, and I will be clean;
      wash me and I will be whiter than snow…
      Create in me a pure heart, O God,
      and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
      Do not cast me from Your presence
      or take Your Holy Spirit from me.
      Restore to me the joy of Your salvation
      and grant me a willing spirit to sustain me.
      Then will I teach transgressors Your ways,
      and sinners will turn back to You.
      salvation sinner prayer
      The Sinners Prayer (by John Barnett)
      The following prayer expresses the desire to transfer trust to Christ alone for eternal salvation. If its words speak of your own heart’s desire, praying them can be the link that will connect you to God.
      Dear God, I know that I am a sinner and there is nothing that I can do to save myself. I confess my complete helplessness to forgive my own sin or to work my way to heaven. At this moment I trust Christ alone as the One who bore my sin when He died on the cross. I believe that He did all that will ever be necessary for me to stand in your holy presence. I thank you that Christ was raised from the dead as a guarantee of my own resurrection. As best as I can, I now transfer my trust to Him. I am grateful that He has promised to receive me despite my many sins and failures. Father, I take you at your word. I thank you that I can face death now that you are my Savior. Thank you for the assurance that you will walk with me through the deep valley. Thank you for hearing this prayer. In Jesus’ Name. Amen.

    • Troy Day
      Reply December 30, 2017

      Troy Day

      A Biblical example of “sinner’s prayer” from Romans 10:10 ►

      For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

    • Friar Rodney Burnap
      Reply December 30, 2017

      Friar Rodney Burnap

      However it is not words in a prayer that save. Jesus Christ alone has the power to save through faith. J.D Greerer explains it well – “It’s not the prayer that saves; it’s the repentance and faith behind the prayer that lays hold of salvation.

  • Troy Day
    Reply December 30, 2017

    Troy Day

    A Biblical example of “sinner’s prayer” from Romans 10:10 ►

    For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

  • Friar Rodney Burnap
    Reply December 30, 2017

    Friar Rodney Burnap

  • Friar Rodney Burnap
    Reply December 30, 2017

    Friar Rodney Burnap

  • Friar Rodney Burnap
    Reply December 31, 2017

    Friar Rodney Burnap

    Yes he is anti Pentecostal

  • Troy Day
    Reply December 31, 2017

    Troy Day

    Is there a video or sermon to prove it? In most cases he says he is pro-pentecostals

  • Troy Day
    Reply February 23, 2018

    Troy Day

    Emanuel Rodriguez I think David N Laura Aragon and Corey Forsyth are right. The guy is nuts and just sent all Billy Graham converts away ‎

    • Emanuel Rodriguez
      Reply February 23, 2018

      Emanuel Rodriguez

      Well Troy if I can share a little bit about my life, I too said the sinners prayer many times but nothing happened to me. It wasn’t until one day I heard a sermon and my heart wanted to explode and it was like day and night and I felt like I was made new.

      It isn’t that the sinners prayer is sinful, but false conversion is dangerous. Many people say the sinners prayer and are false converts because they never repent, they say a sinners prayer and live however that want with no evidence of salvation.

      We should think about that, false conversion

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 23, 2018

      Troy Day

      mhm this is where second work of grace comes in – entire sanctification – ever heard of it 🙂

    • Emanuel Rodriguez
      Reply February 23, 2018

      Emanuel Rodriguez

      The same is true for many “calvinists” who think because salvation is by election that they can do anything they’d like without evidence of salvation, this too is false conversion. It’s heresy

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 23, 2018

      Troy Day

      Again second work of grace. Many Calvinists are NOT saved Calvinism has sent more people to hell than the Lords prayer

    • Emanuel Rodriguez
      Reply February 23, 2018

      Emanuel Rodriguez

      Troy Day sanctification is part of salvation but not exclusive, where there is true salvation, there will be sanctification. If we say we have salvation but there is no sanctification we are liars

    • Emanuel Rodriguez
      Reply February 23, 2018

      Emanuel Rodriguez

      Troy Day many arminians are NOT saved as well. Salvation isn’t about what you believe concerning the doctrine of election

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 23, 2018

      Troy Day

      sanctification is only part of salvation as post-salvation second work of grace. Many people dont make difference between salvation and ordo solutis IF any arminians are saved or not saved it is only by their choice 🙂

    • Emanuel Rodriguez
      Reply February 23, 2018

      Emanuel Rodriguez

      There is indeed an Ordo Solutis, but this is an organic order we see in the life of a true Christian according to the gospel I.e. epistles of Paul.

      Where there is one link missing in the chain, salvation is not present. There is much more to salvation I agree, but when there are missing pieces, we must conclude that salvation isn’t there

    • Emanuel Rodriguez
      Reply February 23, 2018

      Emanuel Rodriguez

      It isn’t a “7 step program” to be completed. It is an organic process of the Holy Spirit working at the heart of the believer

  • Troy Day
    Reply May 23, 2018

    Troy Day

    Joe Absher not sure if anyone in this group even believes that Link was brought on old discussion about teaching them how to get saved

  • Larry Dale Steele
    Reply May 23, 2018

    Larry Dale Steele

    I have a cousin that is deep into thinking sinners prayers and a lot of church traditions are sending folks to hell

  • Joe Absher
    Reply May 23, 2018

    Joe Absher

    How can you be against praying? Maybe the abuses is by over eager folks saying things God didn’t say. Let God tell a man if he heard him or not. Let God give the assurances. I still tell God I’m sorry. I still let the Lord know he’s my Saviour. I very aware apart from Jesus Christ and his cross we’re all doomed and damned.
    To be honest though I did hear of a pastor tell a man, “no, you gotta pray for yourself” and he did. Surrendered to God right there in the street, worked just fine. Sometimes people get saved just by believing the preaching. I think God honors prayers and sincerity and believing on Jesus Christ his Son. Contrition and believing and asking can happen in a moment, can take years. God knows.

  • Timothy K. Wiebe
    Reply May 23, 2018

    Timothy K. Wiebe

    The sinners prayer must begin with the sinners heart

  • Joe Absher
    Reply May 23, 2018

    Joe Absher

    And gospel preaching

  • Troy Day
    Reply May 23, 2018

    Troy Day

    Timothy K. Wiebe the question was specifically about Washers statement Please re-visit and then address it again

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply May 23, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      I addressed it with a video

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply May 23, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      You mean about the sinners prayer?

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply May 23, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Help me out

    • Troy Day
      Reply May 23, 2018

      Troy Day

      Sorry for the delayed responae bro Timothy K. Wiebe As a minister I am not of the habit of posting on social media during church service times and do not respond to facebook while in service

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply May 23, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Troy Day I hear you, I was at church myself

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply May 23, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      That video sermon is great

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply May 23, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Where is the link I shared? Not seeing it now

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply May 23, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

    • Joe Absher
      Reply May 23, 2018

      Joe Absher

      In the video the good Pastor says, “the cross isn’t about sin, it’s about restoring my destiny” it’s only one of his statements. I’ll have to think about it. I get his point about salvation isn’t just a prayer to go to heaven. On that we agree. Don’t think the sinners prayer was dealt with in this limited presentation though. Joking about running off with a young woman not his wife seemed a little loose. Sorry.

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply May 23, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Joe Absher no, he didn’t joke about that in any sense of the word. This was a very powerful sermon

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply May 23, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Troy Day Where is the link I shared? Not seeing it now

    • Joe Absher
      Reply May 24, 2018

      Joe Absher

      I’m sure he’s a very godly man. I mean that. But it’s called adultery in the Bible. It’s not being “a jerk”. So I’m wary about dealing lightly with sin. Sorry about that. Hope you can forgive me? Seems like he threw the sinners prayer under the bus too. So I have to ask, ‘it was a great sermon at what cost?”

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply May 24, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Joe Absher bye Joe, and goodbye (so called) Pentecostal Theology)

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply May 24, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Troy Day, deleting sincere posts for whatever is going through your head? Sorry, I’m out

    • Joe Absher
      Reply May 24, 2018

      Joe Absher

      Timothy K. Wiebe
      I’m sure it was a great service and God moved in a mighty way. But to the point fo you think I’m being mean?

    • Troy Day
      Reply May 24, 2018

      Troy Day

      Timothy K. Wiebe you are wrong on this one I have been mainly out in the past week or so. Facebook is doing a new thing reporting and deleting posts. I have several of mine deleted too Which one is gone this time? Pls read before you direct your anger https://www.facebook.com/groups/pentecostaltheologygroup/permalink/1697392666982408/

    • Timothy K. Wiebe
      Reply May 24, 2018

      Timothy K. Wiebe

      Troy Day ok, sorry

    • Troy Day
      Reply May 24, 2018

      Troy Day

      Timothy K. Wiebe pls PM me the link that got deleted if you can pls

  • Roger Lewis
    Reply May 24, 2018

    Roger Lewis

    The sinners prayer is NOT sending anyone to hell.

    • Link Hudson
      Reply May 24, 2018

      Link Hudson

      Decreeing people saved after they have not heard the Gospel because tjey repeated a prayer can be harmful. Some might say an innoculation against the Gospel. They can say been there done that. They can say they are born again on Barna surveys about doctrinal beliefs or who is sleeping around.

      In my experience it seems fairly typical of Pentecostal preachers in the US who do the repeat this prayer thing to make no mention of the resurrection prior to or during the prayer and often they do not mention the cross either.

    • Troy Day
      Reply May 24, 2018

      Troy Day

      Why have they not heard Link Hudson ?

    • Link Hudson
      Reply May 24, 2018

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day e.g the preacher preacges on tithing or marriage etc then has people repeat a prayer at the end, assuming they know stuff he did not just preach to them, or hitting on vuzz phrases evangelicals associate with salvation that the Bible does not present as the way to get saved, e.g. ask Jesus into your heart, personal Savior, not a religion but personal relationship. That instead of Christ dying for their sins and rising from the dead.

    • Troy Day
      Reply May 24, 2018

      Troy Day

      Link Hudson This could be true of course. I shared few weeks ago being at revival. They sang for about 30-40 min at first, during which before no one has preached, 8-9 people came to the altar and got saved Just like that

    • Link Hudson
      Reply May 24, 2018

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day maybe they had heard the gospel before. But does it make any sense to lead people in a prayer and declare them saved if you haven’t even mentioned the cross or the resurrection. Some people need tobe told who God is. Rush a Hindu through a sinner’s prayer and he might add a Roman Catholic statue to his idol shelf.

  • Troy Day
    Reply May 24, 2018

    Troy Day

    I agree with that Roger Lewis

  • Link Hudson
    Reply May 24, 2018

    Link Hudson

    What about not explaining how to get saved then calling people to the altar to get saved, and letting them just pray alone to get right with God?

  • Troy Day
    Reply January 13, 2019

    Troy Day

    this asked by David N Laura Aragon many many moons ago in 2015 So what’s the problem with this you may ask?

    First, where is the sinner’s prayer in the Bible? I think the closest thing that comes to it is Romans 10:9-10 which says

    9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

    Case closed right? This scripture clearly says that we need to say with our mouth Jesus is Lord and believe and we will be saved. I would say this is only part of the picture. In all Biblical gospel presentations there are at least three basic elements that need to explicitly be stated, and one that should be implicitly understood and communicated

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply January 14, 2019

      Louise Cummings

      I get you meaning on saying the sinners prayer now. Romans 10: 8-9. It is clear on how to pray to be saved or born again. That is correct. I thought you meant someone was praying was sending people to hell. I wonder how could a sinner praying , could send people to hell. When I didn’t know they prayed. But some might. I don’t w. But I understand you are talking about the prayer a sinner prayed to be save. I believe if they are sorrowful for their sins and really wants to be saved. If they confess that with their mouth. And believe they will be saved. I think if we know them or the church around them. It would be good if they would follow up on those that prayed. And follow up on them to be sure they find a good church to go to. Sorry I misunderstood what was being said. It seems I’m doing that to often lately.

  • Louise Cummings
    Reply January 13, 2019

    Louise Cummings

    How could sinners prayer send people to hell because the Bible says it in some fashion. God doesn’t heat a sinners prayer , except a prayer of Repentance. If sinners are praying, that’s a lot more than some Christians are doing. Or it seems that way. But Lord forgive me. I’m not their judge. But I’ll say it like this. We need a lot more praying going on. Me included first.

  • Nora Neel-Toney
    Reply January 14, 2019

    Nora Neel-Toney

    ??????

  • Jerome Herrick Weymouth
    Reply January 14, 2019

    Jerome Herrick Weymouth

    I heard the arguments before, and I know from my own experience that you can be saved praying the sinners prayer.

  • Louise Cummings
    Reply January 14, 2019

    Louise Cummings

    Oh yes. People on their death bed. I try to get to them and ask them would say that prayer and mean it in their heart. That’s better to get them to do that than not pray at all. Sorry I misunderstood.

  • Troy Day
    Reply January 15, 2019

    Troy Day

    not sure what paul washer is trying to do with all this

    • Jerome Herrick Weymouth
      Reply January 15, 2019

      Jerome Herrick Weymouth

      Troy Day
      One of the cult watch sites went all off on the sinners prayer and gave their answer to every verse we used… I get that they are calvinist but ‘oh brother!’ saying that the example we use from the gospels “God be merciful to me a sinner” doesn’t count or aid us in getting saved.

    • Troy Day
      Reply January 15, 2019

      Troy Day

      what is a cult watch sites
      what answers did they give?

  • Louise Cummings
    Reply January 15, 2019

    Louise Cummings

    I hope it was me answering things I wasn’t suppose to. Because I had misunderstood some things. If I ever answer where I’m not suppose to. If there is a way you can take out. Take it out. If you can’t erase it. Let me know. And l will try erasing it out. If it won’t erase your questions with it. I hope it wasn’t me.

  • Reply February 7, 2019

    Bernie Wade

    Wonderful article. Bible based. Thank you!

  • Troy Day
    Reply February 10, 2019

    Troy Day

    I decided to bring this post back because of mention by Link Hudson Isara Mo and several others It was originally posted by someone appalled by the video in the post and reacted

    FIRST OFF the VIDEO is by PAUL Washer – sworn Calvinist who does not believe the sinner to make choice or decide to accept JESUS – God saves some and others were created to go straight to hell as per Calvinism I disagree with this humanistic liberal mess

    If Washer’s Calvinism is right – then no one was saved under the ministry of Billy Graham who heavily promoted the sinners prayer in all his crusades and TV programs

    Sorry to put it bluntly Gerardo de Dominicis Angel Ruiz but Washers statement is about as bad as MacArthur saying no latin american is truly saved

    Jim Price this may be right down your ally too but Link claimed in the 90s people preached on other subjects then ppl got saved as he says without hearing about Jesus – I dont see how this is even possible

    Also – what about the sovereign GOD – does he need my so special sermon words to save a person – not hardly After speaking much with Michael Ellis Carter Jr. about preaching, even the best sermon and preacher STILL NEEDS GOD to save the sinner #amen

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 10, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day I don’t think people were truly saved without hearing the gospels. Since the 1900s at least until know, I have heard preachers–plenty of them in Pentecostal denominations– supposedly getting people saved by ask them to repeat a prayer without first preaching the gospel to them.

      My post about how to get people ‘saved’ without preaching the gospel was meant to expose the error in practice of some evangelicals.

    • Philip Williams
      Reply February 10, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Link Hudson the sinner part is very good information!

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 10, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day btw, i think you go a little further than MacArthur did in your auote of him. I also think you are falsely portraying Washer’s Calvinism. There are Calvinists whobelieve people are saved by believing the gospel when or after they hear it and are saved–but that this was foreordained.

      Did Washer say no one was saved in Graham’s crusades. I have jeard several of his sermons and it seems unlikely to me that he believes these things. Do you have quotes from him to back these things up?

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 10, 2019

      Troy Day

      Washer is ultra Calivinist
      He says it himself in his sermons

      He even goes into preaching holiness without any need for sanctification I think you are once again falsely interpreting due to lack of deeper observation

    • Michael Ellis Carter Jr.
      Reply February 10, 2019

      Michael Ellis Carter Jr.

      Troy Day oh yes because many of our sermons may be helping usher people to… well never mind lol

  • Nora Neel-Toney
    Reply February 10, 2019

    Nora Neel-Toney

    Something to think about

  • Lyndon Conn
    Reply February 10, 2019

    Lyndon Conn

    The sinners prayer doesn’t have the power to save anyone or to send anyone to hell. Only a true or false confession through it does. And that is an individual heart issue. However, nobody should ever tell people that they are saved eternally bad unconditionally just because they said a prayer!

  • Troy Day
    Reply February 10, 2019

    Troy Day

    Link Hudson I thin people were truly saved

    God loos upon the heart – Paul says it
    We believe with the heart
    Everything else is just confession and recognition of salvation through faith that has already occurred in the heart of a man

  • Troy Day
    Reply February 10, 2019

    Troy Day

    oh Link Hudson I got ya brother – you again assumed I was the author and addressed me on the content You should address your corrections on the text to the actual author listed on the top of the article David N Laura Aragon Thank you http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/paul-washer-sinners-prayer-is-sending-people-to-hell/

    BTW washer is dead wrong on pryaer and sanctification He is a great ultra Calvinist though – oh well So does the sinner’s prayer lead people to hell? No. Their sins do, but when we tell someone that they are saved simply because they prayed a prayer we have aided and abetted them in their sin.The point that we need to emphasize is that following Christ will be hard, salvation is not something we do by praying, but Christ does and we accept by believing and obeying him. This involves being accountable and connected to other believers in a local bible believing church.

  • Link Hudson
    Reply February 10, 2019

    Link Hudson

    I think Paul Washer does make some valid points. Repeating a prayer without faith doesn’t save, though some evangelicals treat the ritual as if it saves. Why would repeating a prayer save if repeating the Apostle’s Creed did not? That makes no sense.

    My ‘campaign’ on the sinner’s prayer is about something more basic. Many preachers have people repeat some kind of prayer without first explaining the Gospel– mentioning the atonement on the cross and/or the resurrection.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 10, 2019

      Troy Day

      not sure how you gather this from what I said – Paul says
      WITH HEART – God knows the heart
      from that point on, Washer got no case

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 10, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day I was clarifying my stance on the issue, not commenting on your beliefs on the apostle’s creed, etc.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 10, 2019

      Troy Day

      as long as the heart is repenting
      The repetition of the tradition has no admonition
      This time Washer got no case

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 10, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day I also do not get how your point that God knows the heart disproves what Washer said. I haven’t memorized all of his sermons. I get the impression from his concern is with people who have not had a heart-transformation who are declared to be saved just for repeating words. Confession does not save without faith.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 10, 2019

      Troy Day

      disproves what Washers saying about the sinners prayer – plain and simple Not so Calvinist though

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 10, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day I am not aware of Paul Washer teaching that someone who has genuine faith and repentence cannot be saved by repeating a prayer. If you have a video with a minute marker, feel free to share. I think it has been about a year since I watched one of his videos.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 10, 2019

      Troy Day

      Washer has several videos claiming that even a MILD Calvinist dont need sinners prayer because God saves by grace As a baptist you may agree – I Dont agree with it

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 10, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day If you have a quote, that might be helpful.

      As a matter of orthopraxy, why would we want to replace the role of water baptism with a ‘sinner’s prayer’ ritual that is a hundred years old or less? Shouldn’t we follow apostolic practice and baptized?

      But this also needs to be done in faith. If we call people up who are suffering emotional pain who want some help from Jesus to get baptized as some preachers do with the prayer, and don’t preach about the cross and resurrection, wetting them may not accomplish much.

      I’ve taken to emailing some of the preachers if I witness them doing this sort o fthing, pointing out if they have people repeat prayers without mentioning the cross and/or the resurrection.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 10, 2019

      Troy Day

      The quote is in the article + video You should not comment before actually reviewing them Do yo agree with Washer that the sinners prayer sends people to hell? #hello

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 10, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day The clip of Washer in the post does not support what you are saying. Your argument seems to be a bit of a strawman. Do you object to the idea that real Christians bear fruit?

      It seems to me he sees the issue as one of thinking one has made a sincere decision as opposed to real transformation of the heart that comes through faith.

      I think Washer skips over a bigger issue– giving people the sinner’s prayer ritual to follow without ever preaching the gospel to them. It is all too common.

    • Lyndon Conn
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Lyndon Conn

      It is a false repentance that keeps people on the the path to hell. It doesn’t send people there since they were already heading there.
      The fact is that many sinners really have no idea how to pray or what to say if they do. The sinners prayer was designed to help with that. The problem is not the sinners prayer. The problem is the preaching that leads up to it and the faith that many out in the prayer alone. I have seen MANY people saved through the sinners prayer. Who here claims to have been saved without a prayer? The key is simply to mean what you are praying. And if a sinner is convicted of sin and brought to a place of faith, then they will have a real salvation experience as they repeat the words. I know I did!
      It is only critical that we do not put faith in a prayer as if it magically saves people. It is only through a heart that believes and is moved by godly sorrow that anyone can be saved – regardless of what they say in a prayer. The choice to abandon the sinners prayer can be just as dangerous, as many I know stopped calling sinning to an altar to pray and repent. So sinners continue to go to church with a confession of Jesus, but without a true conversion and dying to sin. The altar experience today is much like the baptism experience of the first churches, as people humble themselves to go forward, admitting they are sinners in need of a savior, and showing their repentance before men as the Holy Ghost meets them at the altar. Too many people in churches have not had that experience-whether they have said the sinners prayer of not. The sinners prayer is not the problem! The problem is with the hearts of men and the lack of preachers who will preach the uncompromised truth.

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Lyndon Conn Why don’t we have the baptism experience of the first churches then?

      The Bible doesn’t say to get saved through a prayer. The ‘sinner’s prayer’ can be a tool to get people to confess as Romans 10 says, but Romans 10 does not say confessing Jesus as Lord has to be done in a prayer.

      I heard one man preach, “If you haven’t prayed that prayer, you aren’t saved.” If he was right, those poor apostles and other early Christians must have been in trouble. They never repeated the prayer after Billy Graham or a modern pastor.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Troy Day

      WHAT is a false repentance ?

    • Lyndon Conn
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Lyndon Conn

      Link Hudson, it is not “that prayer” that saves anyone. It is a prayer of repentance and a confession of faith that saves. That can happen through a sinners prayer. But it does not have to happen through a sinners prayer.
      The Apostles didn’t need to do anything to be saved at the start of the church. They were already believers and followers of Jesus. But the early Christians made their confession in the water. Water baptism was more than just a showing of what was already done for them. It was the actual place of repentance and confession of Jesus. If someone wanted to become a Christian they were taken straight to the water. In the water they made confession of faith in Jesus before men in public. It is for this reason that Peter said in 1 Peter 3: 21 “The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us…”.
      The entire Early church has been accused of teaching baptismal regeneration by water, when in fact what they taught is that in baptism where repentance took place and showing of faith in Christ is what saves – and not the act of going into the water alone. The modern church changed the baptism experience into an altar call for sinners. God still honors the altar call because of modern changes. The main point is that men show their faith in humility without shame. Water baptism did that in the first centuries. But today people go into the water and just get wet, without the true experience of salvation. There is no threat of persecution for going into the water today, so people can make false confessions today, when they wouldn’t take the chance in the first centuries unless they really meant it.

      The sinners prayer can still be useful if the preceding preaching is right, bold, and teaches people the seriousness of praying it. I have used it before and told people not to pray it unless they really were serious about repentance, confession, and the desire to change. I also tell them that the prayer cannot save them, unless it comes from their heart in truth, honesty, and serious desire to commit to Him. If they go against that instruction then they are not saved by any prayer.
      We are told to “Confess with our mouth and believe in our heart…with the mouth confession is made into salvation” in Romans 10:9,10

    • Lyndon Conn
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Lyndon Conn

      Troy Day a false repentance is simply repeating the words of any prayer, saying “I am sorry for my sins”, when in fact they are really only sorry they got caught in sin, sin has been exposed, that they realize they have to give up their sins, or that they realize their sin cannot be continued in if they want to be saved. But there really isn’t true godly sorrow for sin or a deep desire for change. They go through the motions and take the so-called steps in order to be saved. But they really are not saved at all. They have appeared to repent and confess Jesus, when in fact they only put on a show. They know they have to change, but there hasn’t been a true heart transformation.

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Lyndon Conn why don’t we just baptize the way the apostles did.

      I have led people in prayers to. In recent decades though I do not guarantee salvation for saying the words. I exhort them to be baptized. I have also baptized or prayed with them before they got in the creek or stream.

      My biggest concern about the sinner’s prayer is when it is done without preaching the gospel.

    • Lyndon Conn
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Lyndon Conn

      Link Hudson, I agree. But unfortunately people just don’t understand the true purpose of baptism. So they have to be taught before they even go into the water today. The act of going into the water has no power without understanding it. It is then no different at all from praying a sinners prayer. Both can be powerful and life changing. And both can be powerless with no change.
      I think that reaching the goal that both baptism and the modern altar call shoot for is the what really matters. If the truth is preached and people truly understand what they are doing and really want it, then they have the promise of it is scripture and they will have it. But it is unfortunate that both the sinners prayer/altar call and water baptism have become pointless and powerless through the teachings from false gospels like “faith alone” through a single prayer or because they were baptized. The answer isn’t to eliminate either one. But rather to use them properly and to teach the truth to people concerning them. We have false Christianity in most churches in America because of the hearts of people. All of which have said a prayer and been baptized. All of which say they trust in Jesus and love Him. Many will tell of how God has done so much for them – while they live in fornication, a homosexual lifestyle, drunkenness, smoking pot, cussing like a sailor, and no different than any other God dejecting sinner in lifestyle.
      The real issue is twofold.
      1. What are they being told? Is the truth being preached to them?
      2. Is there heart truly accepting the truth and willing to receive it?

      I had a Facebook friend I had to unfriend because he not only taught the lie of easy believism; but he would go into the streets all the time and them try to make others feel bad who didn’t. Then he would boast of several people “getting saved” on his outings. The problem was that he would simply get sinners to confess a belief in Jesus and to say that they believe He is the Son of God who died and rose again. Then by that confession he would say they got saved because they “confessed with their mouth the Lord Jesus”. He even posted videos of these events, in which it was abundantly clear that these sinners did not get saved at all. There was no desire to change in them at all. I corrected him and he came unhinged.

    • Isara Mo
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Isara Mo

      Troy Day Has Paul Washer explained how he got “saved”?
      Was the gospel preached to him and got convicted of his ” sins” and, like the 3000 at Pentecost, asked his preacher”What should I do?:
      It seems he did not come into salvation thru the ” sinners prayer” but some other methodology….which we ought to know so that when we argue we can see why he says the sinners prayer sends people to hell..
      Passion for music doesn’t make one a musician neither is passion for soccer make one a footballer: equally passion0 for gospel doesn’t guarantee you are preacher unless there is truth in what one says..

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Isara Mo He’s a cessationist, but his salvation testimony isn’t. He was in his apartment in college contemplating suicide thinking “I am so miserable”. Washer lifted weights and used steroids. It has one or two in the morning. A guy knocked on his door and said he didn’t care if Washer beat him up or not, but God wanted him to tell him he would be miserable until….I think he said until he gave his life to Christ. Washer started reading the Bible and I think he was spending time with Christians. One day he said he was not going to do some activities because he was a Christian. He realized he believed the gospel. My vaugue recollection if his testimony which you can find on youtube.

    • Isara Mo
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Isara Mo

      Lyndon Conn When the whole of Judea went to the Jordan to be baptized by John the Baptist there were no sermons or lengthy teaching on why they NEEDED to be baptized…
      The Bible says John preached this short sermon”Repent for the Kingdom of heaven has come near.” And guess what?
      “People went out to him from Jerusalem and all Judea and the whole region of the Jordan…CONFESSING THEIR SINS THEY WERE BAPTIZED BY HIM IN THE JORDAN”..
      Is faith in the head or in the heart?

    • Isara Mo
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Isara Mo

      Link Hudson
      If that is a background then I dont think he has any solid proof that the sinners prayer sends people to hell.
      I think if you ask people how they got ” saved” you won’t find no rigid standard method…but everyone will.tell you their stories….differently.
      There are those who heard the message in a crusade and stepped forward to accept the Lord Jesus ..whether willingly or out of fear of men I don’t know and they uttered a ” sinners prayer”
      Some are still born again today with powerful ministries…bringing more people to Jesus…
      Others met the Lord in crises in their lives and prayed a prayer of anguish even.when they knew not the Lord and the Lord directed them to a person or place(As he did to Saul…) That was a personal encounter, alone in the wilderness.
      Then there are those who heard a friend and relative tell them.about Jesus..and either they chose to give their lives to Jesus..
      Yes, the Bible doesn’t show a standard prayer on salvation nor does it give any standard prayers for anything(except for the model prayer of our Father in Heaven)
      Most deliverance ministers will tell tou they use the sinners prayer with a believer or back sliding one to kind of give the believer a legal right to be prayed for ….
      I have done it many times.
      I remember about seven years ago we went to visit a certain church member who had a Catholic baby sitter .While we were having a conversation with the lady of the house I asked the girl this question; “Are you saved? And she said “No” and I asked her “Would you like to give your life to Jesus?”And she said “Yes”
      I asked my wife to lead into the sinners prayer…and immediately she finished the prayer, she began to scream and try to tear off her clothes: the demons began to shriek and fight…
      That was the effect of the sinners prayer…
      I really have reservation about Paul Washers views…

    • Lyndon Conn
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Lyndon Conn

      Isara Mo, to teach on repentance was the foundation of his baptism. Certainly people understood what they were doing. Yet they had to learn it from somewhere. It was effective because people understood what they were doing. And unless you were there I don’t think I you can assuming what he did not teach. They had to get the understanding from somewhere. Yet it doesn’t matter if Hohn taught it to them or not, but only that they understood. It would be a bit pointless to lead people into the water to repent if they don’t even know why they are doing it. Yet today people blindly go into the water just because the Bible says to be baptized. So they can say they have been baptized even though they don’t know why. This is a fact and a reality of people today concerning baptism. But in bible times they knew exactly what they were doing.

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Isara Mo I think you need to look at that statement in context. Just saying a sinner’s prayer is not going to send someone to Hell. I certainly don’t think that is what Washer intends to say.

      But I suspect we have a lot of people who call themselves ‘born again’ on Barna surveys in the US who believe unbiblical things, who will tell you that they have repeated a prayer after a preacher somewhere who told them they were born again, without a change of the heart.

      Something I have not heard Washer focus on is how common it is for preachers to lead people in prayers after NOT preaching the gospel to them.

      Telling people they are saved because they went through a ritual of repeating a prayer can give them a false sense of security. I’d agree with that, especially if they have not even heard the Gospel. That is very possible with the way some churches do it.

      Washer seems to favor praying through to salvation. He gave an example of that. But he also gave an example of a man who was dying of cancer who he studied the Bible with until the man realized that he understood and believed.

      Churches that believe in ‘praying through’ to salvation can have their own problems. This viewpoint probably lost out to the sinner’s prayer approach with Baptists in the last century, though pockets of it still exist. There have been churches in the Baptist movement and elsewhere, where people in the pew get the idea that you aren’t saved unless you have some kind of emotional life-changing experience at the altar, and they don’t experience that and don’t know if they are saved. There have probably been Pentecostals who think the same way. And there have probably been plenty of Pentecostals in the Holiness side of the movement who have had the same experience with seeking a sanctification experience, too, or the baptism of the Holy Ghost, who go up to the front and pray and don’t think they got it.

      There is something to be said for just believing God–whether there is an emotional experience or not– putting one’s faith in Christ and being baptized in faith.

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Isara Mo He baptized them for the remission of sins, so there might have been some explanation of at least that.

  • Troy Day
    Reply February 11, 2019

    Troy Day

    WHAT is a false repentance ?
    You either repent OR you dont

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day someone could pretend.

    • Tim Dalton
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Tim Dalton

      Troy 100% accurate. Many like Washer, need to defend their doctrines and have fodder for their sermons.

    • Tim Dalton
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Tim Dalton

      Link Hudson consider what you said. If you pretend, you have not actually repented. So where is the false repentance because there never was any. Oxymoron at best, not thought out party doctrinal politics at worse. You can go through motions perhaps but that is not repenting. I understand what Washer, Johnny Mac and their crowd have been spouting for years. It is the church (cult) of Johnny Mac.

      Would you consider their teaching on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and gifts to be true or false teaching. They claim the only prophecy is forth telling . If that is correct, but they are wrong about the Baptism then the Bible is clear that they are false prophets.
      Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1 John 4

      Eating the chicken and throwing away the bones is not biblical. This is:

      A little leaven leavens the whole lump. Gal. 5:9

      Jesus said to them, “Watch and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” Matt 16:6

    • Isara Mo
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Isara Mo

      Troy Day A false repentance is when
      you utter another mans’ words whose meaning you don’t even know nor care to know…because the words are his, not yours!

    • Tim Dalton
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Tim Dalton

      Isara Mo – if you don’t know what repentance is, how can you say that you are doing it falsely. You are just mumbling words and not repenting. In order to falsely repent you must know what you are doing and choosing to fake the repentance. What you are actually talking about is this: Jesus said to them, “Watch and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” Matt 15:14

  • Troy Day
    Reply February 11, 2019

    Troy Day

    Isara Mo
    A false repentance is when
    you utter another mans’ words whose meaning you don’t even know nor care to know…

    No – when you utter another mans’ words whose meaning you don’t even know nor care to know… thats called uttering another mans’ words NOT repentance

    Paul says the WORDS only come from a repented heart that believes You can repeat the Words of Jesus Himself if your heart aint right you aint repenting

    Dont Let Calvinism mess you up
    Washer says all this on the premise that one DOES NOT need to pray and repent because God will save or not save regardless
    I dont believe that for a second

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 11, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day where does Washer say that. I think your depiction of Calvinism in this case is just a charactiture.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 12, 2019

      Troy Day

      are you saying Washer is not Calvinist?

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 12, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day No I am saying your charictature of Calvinism probably does not accurately portray Washer’s or other Calvinists view.

      I suspect most Calvinists believe God foreordains genuine repentence and faith after hearing the gospel, and perserverence. Perseverence is the P in TULIP.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 12, 2019

      Troy Day

      you are saying based on what? – show a reference that shows Washer’s form of Calvinism to prove it please

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 12, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day you are the one making the strange accusation. If you claim a preacher teaches bizarre doctrine the burden of proof is on you. Can you show an example of any of the new Calvinist types in theUS who believe God saves apart from the preacjing of and faith in the Gospel. Calvinism does not mean rejecting salvation by faith.

      I have heard or read people describe Calvinism the way you did but Inever talked with one who said he believed that. It’s like people sayin Pentecostal meetings always have snake handling and swinging on chandeliers.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 12, 2019

      Troy Day

      I dont claim a preacher teaches – the preacher himself claims he teaches Calvinism 🙂 There – proven Now its up to you to debunk that Washer does NOT teach Calvinism which sill be hard for you since he says he does

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 12, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day you prove your own definition of Calvinism. I edited my last post btw.

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 12, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Have you ever met a Calvinist who did not say salvation is by faith. Your version of Calvinism is a strawman.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 12, 2019

      Troy Day

      I dont have a definition in order to prove it or to make it a strawman As a matter of fact I never defined Calvinism and you are simply putting words in my mouth I simply repeated what Washer says about his Calvinism

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 12, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day we don’t need to do the repeat the prayer thing yo either pray or repent. The Bible doesnot teach us to evangelize people by getting them to pray. Romans 10 says to confess. Some versions of the sinner’s prayer are attempts to apply that.

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 12, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day where does Washer say God saves people who do not repent?

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 12, 2019

      Troy Day

      this video is one example among too many others to list

      – Paul Washer puts the Doctrines of Grace into practice and refutes here the Arminian doctrine

      – Washer’s a Calvinistic SBC missionary.

      – saved in grace, not by what you know of reformed theology. We are not saved by works

      – Not only is he a Southern Baptist, but he graduated from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary with a M.Div

      – heard someplace a criticism on this message someplace that said he was preaching salvation by works.

      – His preaching is often mistaken as a Wesleyan approach to holiness but he is Reformed Calvinist

      https://www.puritanboard.com/threads/paul-washer-explains-election.61249/

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 12, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day its not really repenting… ie false repentence?

  • Troy Day
    Reply February 12, 2019

    Troy Day

    Link Hudson you’ve once again lost the main point by your many strawmen The OP is not about Washer himself but about his claim on the sinners prayer which is false – we all should know SO:

    Do you feel Washer is RIGHT that sinners prayer send ppl to hell? He says that in the video with no doubt – I disagree

    After getting you on this one, we will get you on your false premise of Paul’s words on the parousia

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pentecostaltheologygroup/permalink/2079820702072934/

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 12, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day if he means saying it damns someone no. He does not mean that. I agree with him that telling people to repeat some words and presto they are saved forever without regard to what is going on in their hearts — that can lead people to a false sense of security that hinders salvation and encourages them to stay on the path to Hell. I think that is his point. Not that saying the prayer damns. Combined with OSAS it can be especially deadly.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 12, 2019

      Troy Day

      oh well – you saw the comments and what others are saying along the line Seems like you are the only one seeing it this way but you have the right to do so oh well

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 12, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day i heard at least two or three sermons of his on this, probably more.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 12, 2019

      Troy Day

      OK – since you are an expert on Washer too now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATg7dnBJDqU

    • Link Hudson
      Reply February 13, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day no mention of salvation withput repentence there.

    • Troy Day
      Reply February 13, 2019

      Troy Day

      yeah your strawman goes without saying

  • Joe Absher
    Reply February 12, 2019

    Joe Absher

    Gospel work should be heartfelt and considered with fear and trembling.

  • Troy Day
    Reply February 12, 2019

    Troy Day

    this video is one example among too many others to list

    – Paul Washer puts the Doctrines of Grace into practice and refutes here the Arminian doctrine

    – Washer’s a Calvinistic SBC missionary.

    – saved in grace, not by what you know of reformed theology. We are not saved by works

    – Not only is he a Southern Baptist, but he graduated from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary with a M.Div

    – heard someplace a criticism on this message someplace that said he was preaching salvation by works.

    – His preaching is often mistaken as a Wesleyan approach to holiness but he is Reformed Calvinist
    https://www.puritanboard.com/threads/paul-washer-explains-election.61249/?fbclid=IwAR2NBGl-b2SjHG3Fv9KUIVVeaatJHqXCf7k15ZiggWg_yjrEuP4trutV5uE

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