Is it true that EVERY denomination that started ordaining women NOW ordains GAY CLERGY too?

Is it true that EVERY denomination that started ordaining women NOW ordain GAY CLERGY too?
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  • Joseph Steven Girdler
    Reply November 16, 2019

    Joseph Steven Girdler

    No. It is not true.

    • Daniel Rusk
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Daniel Rusk

      Joseph Steven Girdler Its not true yet, just a matter of time…

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Troy Day

      are you for gay ordination?

    • Joseph Steven Girdler
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Joseph Steven Girdler

      Troy Day , of course not.

    • Joseph Steven Girdler
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Joseph Steven Girdler

      Daniel Rusk ~not in the AG

    • William Sterling
      Reply November 16, 2019

      William Sterling

      Daniel Rusk that’s a ridiculous statement.

    • Daniel Rusk
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Daniel Rusk

      William Sterling whatever, never seen a church with a woman ‘pastor’ that didn’t have a church with waggler men and Sodomites in it.

      That is what happens when you’re in contradiction to God’s Word.

  • Tony Edwards
    Reply November 16, 2019

    Tony Edwards

    NO it is not true!

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 16, 2019

    Troy Day

    are you for gay ordination?

  • Melody Cates Kinzer
    Reply November 16, 2019

    Melody Cates Kinzer

    NO! And no, I am not for gay ordination. Having a that lifestyle in an abomination to God. Being a woman is not. He made us. If someone doesn’t like the fact that God called me to be a preacher/Minister they can take it up with Him cuz I ran from it for 30 years. I finally gave in to His will.

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 16, 2019

    Troy Day

    what are the organizations that ordain women but not gay And is it just a matter of time to do it?

    • Melody Cates Kinzer
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Melody Cates Kinzer

      Troy Day COGOP and no it will never happen.

    • William Sterling
      Reply November 16, 2019

      William Sterling

      Assemblies of God and absolutely not.

    • Brian Roden
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Brian Roden

      Troy Day Even in the UMC, it is only pockets going against their Book of Discipline that are doing so. We’ve seen this year how the UMC worldwide is fighting to keep out ordination of gays while still having ordained women.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Troy Day

      Melody Cates Kinzer are you sure women can be bishops in COGOP? I am reading from yalls minutes that even when ordained women cannot administer sacraments except in remote locations until 89th General Assembly of 1996, approved the recommendation of the Biblical Doctrine
      and Polity Committee that allows women ministers to administer the Lord’s Supper and
      footwashing

      Another development had to deal with the lack of a male evangelist being available in isolated
      places to administer the ordinances of communion and footwashing, and allowing a female
      evangelist to administer these sacraments. The question was asked:
      Q. Should a female evangelist administer the Lord’s supper and feet
      washing?
      A. This has been considered permissible in isolated places when it was not
      convenient to secure the services of a male minister

      https://cogop.org/assembly/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2018/03/BDP-Report-English.pdf

    • Melody Cates Kinzer
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Melody Cates Kinzer

      Troy Day I said nothing about a Bishop.. I was referring to being a Minister or Pastor in general. However, women can be Deaconesses now in COGOP.

    • Melody Cates Kinzer
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Melody Cates Kinzer

      Oh and we just had our 100th annual assembly. A few things have changed.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Troy Day

      Melody Cates Kinzer I was just clarifying I am not aware of any denomination with the name Church of God in it that fully ordains women I truly hoped you proved me wrong

  • Paula Young
    Reply November 16, 2019

    Paula Young

    Upci does not approve this behavior bible is Written From God And clearly states its abomination unto the LORD so if you are a true christian following Jesus Christ then it makes you sick for this behaviour as well.

  • Steven Wise
    Reply November 16, 2019

    Steven Wise

    No connection

  • William DeArteaga
    Reply November 16, 2019

    William DeArteaga

    No, The Anglican Church in North America (my denomination) has permitted local area bishops to ordain and use female priests. I know some who are wonderful. At the same time, no compromise on the biblical issue of homosexuality nor ordaining openly practicing homosexuals.

  • Joe Babcock
    Reply November 16, 2019

    Joe Babcock

    The Assemblies of God ordains women

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Troy Day

      I knew Barrett when pastoring in OH but I wasnt aware there was a female GENERAL SUPERINTENDENT in the history of AG Thank you for clarifying this for the group

  • James Reeder
    Reply November 16, 2019

    James Reeder

    That is a flat out lie how dare you our denomination has not our church was started by a woman you obviously have no idea what you’re talkin about

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Troy Day

      who are you talking to? James Reeder

    • Ken Van Horn
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Ken Van Horn

      James Reeder Church of the Foursquare Gospel, a significant denomination,was founded by a woman.

  • Jerry Lawson
    Reply November 16, 2019

    Jerry Lawson

    The COG ordains women.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Troy Day

      not really now does it? can they be ordained bishops?

    • Jerry Lawson
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Jerry Lawson

      Troy Day As I recall, the COG has 3 ranks of ministry: licensed, ordained and ordained bishop. Women can be licensed and ordained.

    • Jerry Lawson
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Jerry Lawson

      …and in the true sense of the word, even a “licensed” minister has been “ordained” by the COG.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Troy Day

      Jerry Lawson so they cannot be ordained bishops; meaning cannot vote the agenda on the floor
      Thanks for the clarification

    • Jerry Lawson
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Jerry Lawson

      Troy Day Yes, I thought you were asking if there were any denominations that have ordained women and not allowed gay marriage.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Troy Day

      Jerry Lawson I was aware cog did not have women bishops but have not followed the rest Thanks for clarifying

  • Jeremiah Burton
    Reply November 16, 2019

    Jeremiah Burton

    No. CME Church has always ordained women, but not gay clergy.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Troy Day

      is this the same as UMC? Wasnt there a major split about this just recently among Methodists in the USA

    • Jeremiah Burton
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Jeremiah Burton

      Troy Day UMC is United Methodists Episcopal. CME is Christian Methodist Episcopal. Both Methodist in doctrine but completely separate organizations. UMC did have a major split over it, but CME has not.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Troy Day

      Jeremiah Burton which of the two Methodists voted against gay marriage and LGBT clergy? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/methodists-vote-against-gay-marriage-and-lgbt-clergy/

    • Jeremiah Burton
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Jeremiah Burton

      Troy Day thanks for sharing this. I had not seen this update Information. I’m a minister with the CME church and admittedly stopped following the story after I heard about the proposed Traditional vs. One Church Plan

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Troy Day

      Jeremiah Burton well I have NO dog in this fight really BUT do like to clarify and know whats going on 🙂

  • Eric Jones
    Reply November 16, 2019

    Eric Jones

    So you are equating women in ministry with homosexuals? Equating women and homosexuals? Your pride and arrogance is overwhelming. You equate Mary, who was commissioned to tell all the others of the resurrection of Christ and the Samaritan woman who was used to tell her whole community about Jesus with homosexuals? Wow! Enraged…

    • Brian Roden
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Brian Roden

      Eric Jones Not so sure he is equating the two, as bringing up the argument many complementarians make that any church ordaining women is on a slippery slope to ordaining LGBTQ+

    • Eric Jones
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Eric Jones

      Brian Roden the Assemblies of God has ordained women in ministry for years. We are nowhere close to ordaining homosexuals. There is no equivalence.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Troy Day

      who are you talking to? Eric Jones
      Who is he who is equating Brian Roden ?

    • Brian Roden
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Brian Roden

      Eric Jones I am well aware of that, and have pointed that out to people (primarily Reformed types) who make the slippery slope argument.

      My comment here was giving the OP the benefit of the doubt, suggesting that maybe he was bringing forth that argument to elicit discussion, and not necessarily equating women and homosexuals as your comment said he was.

    • Eric Jones
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Eric Jones

      Troy Day you are seemingly equating this supposition by your post.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Troy Day

      Eric Jones I am actually FOR women in ministry and have 4 ordained women in my family alone but I dont expect you to know that and NO I am not equating – you are reaching and simply wrong in some personal way of yours

  • Ray James
    Reply November 16, 2019

    Ray James

    NO! It is NOT true.

  • Donald W. Dayton
    Reply November 16, 2019

    Donald W. Dayton

    The wesleyan church began ordaining women in the 1850s.

  • Lynn Newman
    Reply November 16, 2019

    Lynn Newman

    No Not true I’m ordained Minister Pastor a church in church of God ..they DONOT ordain gay clergy

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Troy Day

      are you an ordain bishop too? Pls clarify

  • Daniel Rusk
    Reply November 16, 2019

    Daniel Rusk

    All you people have is thin arguments. Mary was ‘commissioned’ you add to the Scripture implying Mary was a Pastor bc Jesus used her to deliver a message once.

    The Bible is stacked against your women Pastors. There are plenty of homosexual pastors prolly on this thread they’re just in the closet.

  • John Rice
    Reply November 16, 2019

    John Rice

    No it is not

  • Wesley Mills
    Reply November 16, 2019

    Wesley Mills

    No

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 16, 2019

    Troy Day

    Brian Roden I would have expected it from a newb in the group like Eric Jones but you should know better having witnessed at least a dozen of discussions I’ve started personally in this group defending women in ministry https://www.facebook.com/groups/pentecostaltheologygroup/search/?query=women&epa=SEARCH_BOX

    Methodists Denied Splitting Over LGBT Issues and VOTED against gay marriage and LGBT clergy but Methodist and Episcopalian Church Led Prayer to “Bless” Abortions

    • Brian Roden
      Reply November 16, 2019

      Brian Roden

      Troy Day I have a fairly good memory, I’m in a couple dozen theology groups, this being one of the lower-traffic ones. You’ll forgive me if the high traffic in the other fora after MacArthur’s recent blow-up was more present than your past posts.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Troy Day

      Brian Roden this is a pretty high traffic group if you look at the states Thank you for clarification as you are well aware about my point on women in ministry I was asked the question recently from a leading NC pastor AND his wife and both claimed it to be true I simply wanted to ask the group and confirm my understanding of the issue I do not see the equivalent as you stated but it seems to to be true that all churches that began gay ordination started with ordaining women Pls see if this is a true or wrong statement Thanks

    • Brian Roden
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Brian Roden

      Troy Day One of the things people often fail to take into consideration is that correlation does not equal causation. The fact that every denomination that has started ordaining gay clergy also ordains women, does NOT mean that ordination of women leads to ordination of gays.
      Craig Keener pointed this out when The Remnant Radio had him on to discuss women in ministry.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Troy Day

      Brian Roden I think you are confusing the topics Check history every church that has started ordaining gay first moved toward ordaining women – it was the first step

    • Brian Roden
      Reply November 18, 2019

      Brian Roden

  • David A Dawson
    Reply November 16, 2019

    David A Dawson

    Presbyterian in America do not allow women to preach or pastor.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Troy Day

      which synod? there is so so many of them

    • David A Dawson
      Reply November 18, 2019

      David A Dawson

      In Presbyterian there are 2 groups PCUSA and PCA.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      David A Dawson there a LOT more than 2 synods that approve gay clergy ordination right? Some in Scotland too

  • Neil Steven Lawrence
    Reply November 17, 2019

    Neil Steven Lawrence

    I don’t see a problem ordaining women. It is most likely a coincidence that liberal denominations have gone down that road toward allowing the perversion of homosexuality into their ranks.

    I believe it has nothing to do with women but more to do with a compromise in their: theology, view of scripture, concept of holiness, worship at the “pluralism” altar, and just plain old rebellion!

  • John Duncan
    Reply November 17, 2019

    John Duncan

    No not true of CH or PH.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Troy Day

      what are these abbreviations meaning

    • John Duncan
      Reply November 17, 2019

      John Duncan

      Troy Day Congregational Holiness and Pentecostal Holiness

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Troy Day

      John Duncan Thanks I read them as Church of Christ and IPHC Are CH still reformed?

    • John Duncan
      Reply November 17, 2019

      John Duncan

      Troy Day we are a lot like Church of God (Tennessee) and a/g.

  • Ken Van Horn
    Reply November 17, 2019

    Ken Van Horn

    The Assemblies of God have ordained women since it was founded and do not ordain gay clergy.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Troy Day

      Did you mean yet?

    • Ken Van Horn
      Reply November 17, 2019

      Ken Van Horn

      Troy Day No. They recognized what God had done through Women. Their eyes remain on God.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Ken Van Horn so you are 100% sure our AG will NEVER ordain gay ministers? am I understanding you correctly

    • Ken Van Horn
      Reply November 18, 2019

      Ken Van Horn

      Troy Day I think the vast majority of present day ministers would leave the Assemblies of God if they were to make this move.

    • Melody Cates Kinzer
      Reply November 18, 2019

      Melody Cates Kinzer

      Ken Van Horn same with COGOP AND COG

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Melody Cates Kinzer do you have a proof for that Ken Van Horn I’ve heard many say that but where would they go? So said many anglican, presbyterian and lutheran and look at them now

    • Melody Cates Kinzer
      Reply November 18, 2019

      Melody Cates Kinzer

      Troy Day it’ll take me awhile to get it together. I’m sure it’s in the ministry and policy manual. I have my hands full right now but thanks for church and things for grandkids and just things LOL I’ll get back with you

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Melody Cates Kinzer Thanks but until then a shot in the dark I’ve heard so many preachers through my ministry saying if … I am leaving Well they didnt Stayed with us in AG retired even got buried by other AG preachers so Ken Van Horn is just speculating here but it sounds good on paper

    • Melody Cates Kinzer
      Reply November 18, 2019

      Melody Cates Kinzer

      Troy Day I thought you were referring to women being deaconesses in our church now. Ask for someone staying when a church allow something that is an abomination to the Lord, I guess that’s between them and God but I’ll be gone.and I know several other people in the church that will as well. not everybody is going to go along just because headquarters says so. God has a people, a wheel within a wheel

  • Ray James
    Reply November 18, 2019

    Ray James

    Absolutely NOT true.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      is it not true that ALL churches who ordain homosexuals began with ordaining women first?

    • Ray James
      Reply November 18, 2019

      Ray James

      I have no idea, but that is not what your above original statement says.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Ray James apparently further research needed

    • Ray James
      Reply November 18, 2019

      Ray James

      Agree

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 18, 2019

    Troy Day

    Paul L. King has posted

    a partial list of denominations who ordain women (some of them for 100+ years), but do not and will not ordain homosexuals: Assemblies of God, Foursquare Church, Open Bible Standard Church, Salvation Army, Church of the Nazarene, Wesleyan Church, Free Methodist Church. (More recent: VIneyard Church, Christian & Missionary Alliance of Canada; Christian and Missionary Alliance in Philippines; Christian and Missionary Alliance in Ecuador)

    • Ray James
      Reply November 18, 2019

      Ray James

      I would also add the Church of God (Cleveland), and the International Pentecostal Holiness Church.

  • Steve Hamm
    Reply November 18, 2019

    Steve Hamm

    The Bible clearly mentions women preachers (prophetesses), but not pastors.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      OK we can all agree on this How do you see it as relative to the question in OP?

    • William Sterling
      Reply November 18, 2019

      William Sterling

      This is probably a stupid question, but what men does the Bible clearly mention as pastors?

    • Steve Hamm
      Reply November 18, 2019

      Steve Hamm

      This would probably come under the prohibition of women having authority over men in the church.(1 Timothy 2:12)

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Steve Hamm naah not really – cause they are still allowed to sing worship, sunday school, prophecy so NO not really

  • Louise Cummings
    Reply November 18, 2019

    Louise Cummings

    I have never been called to pastor. I have filled in at churches , and preached until they found one they wanted to vote on. I don’t think that’s ever been over four week. Until they would have one. But the way I look at absorbing authority over a man. If he invites you to preach. You are not taking authority over a man. He gave you permission. We don’t need trajectories authority or ER anything. Except our children. We are suppose to see they are raised right. It takes much prayer. And wisdom. But we are to bring them up righting se are given authority to do certain things.We are to do our best.

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