Can a left behind church survive the Tribulation?

Can a left behind church survive the Tribulation?
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  • Reply October 27, 2018

    Guest;

    Rico Hero Alan Smith A.J. Bible OK, so the hiding in the rocks scenario, in which Jesus is most obviously speaking to the Jews. They knew how to carve hideaway caves in the lime rock of the desolated land and hide whole villages from the Romans. Let’s say my Indonesian related friend lives in mid-Georgia area near Atlanta. Which rocky area can he run into and hide his family, especially if with many kids? How long would be able to survive, having lived the city life and not knowing how to skin even a squirrel? And most importantly, what kind of church would that be that survives the Tribulation and comes into the Havens? Zero to none is perhaps the best answer for the post-trib scenario. Ricky Grimsley

  • Reply October 28, 2018

    Guest;

    Perhaps for this reason a question is asked in the Revelations about Who are those coming from the Tribulation? If those are NOT Israel, the question is asked in the Holy Book in the most surprising matter. Both the asker and the answerer are quire surprised that ANYone has been able to pass through the Tribulation without taking the Mark of the Beast. The surprise in the text comes from only one reasonable explanation – the church is already in the Heavens, saved from any Tribulation and celebrating with the Lamb of God. The ones coming from the Tribulation are the exception to this rule. They are the Left Behind…

  • Reply October 28, 2018

    Guest;

    Member when Christian groups were raising
    money to send to Israel to buy food for those who would hide in Petra during the tribulation? Who got that money?

  • Reply October 28, 2018

    Guest;

    ISRAEL – yes! American church – hardly possible !

  • Reply October 28, 2018

    Guest;

    Troy, I clicked on the above link re: how can a left behind church survive the Tribulation, that leads to your page and watched the video you have linked: “Has the tribulation actually begun Part 1 ” by Perry Stone Two things stood out in his video 1) when he said the martyrs go to a special paradise and rule with Christ. Perry does not believe that there is a special paradise for martyrs or does he? 2) that the Antichrist will be a Muslim. I do not think so because the Antichrist turns over the Temple Mount to the Jews. Anyways, I will assume/hope in Part 2 of “has the tribulation actually begun” Perry says that no the tribulation has not actually begun.

  • Reply October 28, 2018

    Guest;

    Not sure if this is about me or not. I never wrote that book bit thought it would be a cool idea. Better at least to have a Biblically feasible book than the left behind series.

  • Reply October 28, 2018

    Guest;

    Also those of all nations come out of the great tribulation according to Revelation 7, not just Israel.

    The difficulty of surviving the tribulation is not a logical argument for the pretrib rapture. It is an emotional one. It is the same reason pretrib is popular. Many Christians do not want to have to suffer of believe that they will have to.

    God is able to multiply food and Christians may need to learn to share again as in the book of Acts.

  • Reply October 29, 2018

    Guest;

    not everything in this worlds is about you
    the post clearly shows there cant be no real church in the Tribulation

    Rico Hero apart from the video (I dont believe in a Muslim antiChrist either but Ricky Grimsley may believe it ) a few questions

    (1) for starters: ONLY the ones who take the mark of the Beast (whoever that may be) will not be able to buy or sell. Anything! Food, gas, electricity, water – absolutely nothing.

    (2) The pastors will NOT be able to receive salaries, insurance or anything included in their package. Remember, if the church cannot buy or sale, neither can the pastor receive a salary. And even if a salary is given, what would the pastor spend it on without the mark of the beast?

    (3) Tithing system – those are most usually set up with a paper check or some sort of electronic banking like debiting or crediting. With the mark of the beast, the church will NOT be able to receive those moneys and even if it does, it cannot operate with them to buy or sell anything.

    (4) What about church buildings – without the mark of the beast they will not be able to purchase any service – electricity, lights, internet, gas for church vans, insurance, special events, catering, food – no communion elements. Nothing at all. With no professional services available, a church building may last a few months, but will fall apart soon before the Tribulation is over… Just think about it

    (5) Any other church related logistics or operations that depend on the purchase of gasoline and transportation. They way current church infrastructure in America is set up, how many would actually take the time to walk miles and miles to a church?

  • Reply October 29, 2018

    Guest;

    Rico Hero apart from the video (I dont believe in a Muslim antiChrist either but Ricky Grimsley may believe it ) a few questions

    (1) for starters: ONLY the ones who take the mark of the Beast (whoever that may be) will not be able to buy or sell. Anything! Food, gas, electricity, water – absolutely nothing.

    (2) The pastors will NOT be able to receive salaries, insurance or anything included in their package. Remember, if the church cannot buy or sale, neither can the pastor receive a salary. And even if a salary is given, what would the pastor spend it on without the mark of the beast?

    (3) Tithing system – those are most usually set up with a paper check or some sort of electronic banking like debiting or crediting. With the mark of the beast, the church will NOT be able to receive those moneys and even if it does, it cannot operate with them to buy or sell anything.

    (4) What about church buildings – without the mark of the beast they will not be able to purchase any service – electricity, lights, internet, gas for church vans, insurance, special events, catering, food – no communion elements. Nothing at all. With no professional services available, a church building may last a few months, but will fall apart soon before the Tribulation is over… Just think about it

    (5) Any other church related logistics or operations that depend on the purchase of gasoline and transportation. They way current church infrastructure in America is set up, how many would actually take the time to walk miles and miles to a church?

  • Reply October 29, 2018

    Guest;

    Link Hudson Sure there could be many churches under the Tribulation perhaps even your GBI but they will have to accept the mark of the beast in order to buy or sell

  • Reply October 30, 2018

    Guest;

    Gary Micheal Epping Sorry I am just now seeing this question of yours:

    Why would they need to buy and sell with those people groups that have accepted the mark?

    They would need to accept the mark in order to buy or sell [period]
    How else would they survive for 7 years without buying or selling?

  • Reply October 30, 2018

    Guest;

    We may have to learn to farm, hunt, and share.

  • Reply October 30, 2018

    Guest;

    Could you point to some churches in your area or organization that are preparing in such way for the Tribulation? Again, what seeds would you use to farm? In todays America you have to buy seeds from the government every year. They are good only for one crop. They do not produce seeds for the next year – just 1 harvest So how would you farm for 7 long years?

  • Reply October 30, 2018

    Guest;

    Ricky Grimsley are you too planing to hunt and crop for 7 years? me and Rico Hero be then by then 🙂

  • Reply November 6, 2018

    Guest;

    Rico Hero A.J. Bible you can call this “special” revelation if you will but more and more I read Link Hudson and Gary Micheal Epping whom I enjoy greatly, I am starting to be persuaded they MAY be the 2 witnesses mentioned in Revelation. Their strong conviction of surviving through the Tribulation and leading many to Christ laves NO doubt of the mission served. We wish them all the best and will make many prayers before the Throne on their behalf during the later 3.5 years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0NROedyVP8

  • Reply November 6, 2018

    Guest;

  • Reply November 6, 2018

    Guest;

    Rico Hero seems like with all the general talk Link Hudson has truly failed to show a single place the word CHURCH is used as being on earth between Rev ch. 4 and ch 19

  • Reply November 6, 2018

    Guest;

    I notice that Troy Day has not been able to produce any evidence for the church not being on earth between Revelation 4 and 19. I can show I Thessalonians 1, in which Christ returns and gives the church rest.

    I can also show from I Thessalonians 4 that the church is raptured at the parousia. II Thessalonians 2:8 shows that the man of sin is destroyed at the brightness of the parousia. Of course, I have never seen Troy actually write out a response to these passages or try to reconcile them.

  • Reply November 6, 2018

    Guest;

    There will not be a left behind church.

    The “Church” which is the Body of Christ will be with Him.

  • Reply November 6, 2018

    Guest;

    There you go Terry Wiles finally sums it up Now he needs to tell us WHO are the great multitude coming from the Tribulation and we will be done They cannot be the Church because they are dead – did not love their lives – they are not reptured nor translated into glory

    Then ol Lincoln will need to give us his full eschatological plan – like what follows after what. So far we only know he is a post-tribber of some sort but what follows after even he dont know

    one will be hunting to survive the Tribulation
    Link will be plowing with his finger nails perhaps
    What about Gerardo de Dominicis who cant neither hunt nor crop, but can fish only if there is a store to get bate from How are city boys like that going to survive the Tribulation when they cant buy the whole store at a 3 inch snow warning One answer only – they will have to take the mark of the beast Just think of the families with many children and you get the answer

  • Reply November 9, 2018

    Guest;

    I am not commenting about any particular person, but about many theologians in general. Why is it that so often a learned person with academic credentials puts his theological views above the Bible, and refuses to ever go back and reconsider that his position is incorrect, or that another opposing position in fact has merit? It never ceases to amaze me how narrow minded and fixated academics can become. Sometimes in order to break through and draw closer to God’s eternal truth, we must set what we presently know and believe aside, and begin afresh with an openness to follow where the Spirit leads as we read the Bible.

  • Reply November 9, 2018

    Guest;

    Gary Micheal you should not be talking about a person or a theologian BUT about their theology. If we are to talk about a person per se we can very well say like Terry Wiles farewell have fun during the Tribulation We will be back shortly after the Marriage of the Lamb in heaven [over]

  • Reply November 9, 2018

    Guest;

    If pre trib rapture is true (I don’t think so) then there won’t be a “left behind” church. If we are born again we are justified by Christ and we won’t remain on earth at the “rapture”. Every single christian has received the Holy Spirit as a warranty of redemption. To think that Christians will be left behind has no grounds.

  • RichardAnna Boyce
    Reply March 20, 2019

    RichardAnna Boyce

    it is only unbelievers who are left behind for the Tribulation; and all members of Synagogues will survive the Tribulation as co-heirs with Christ in the Millennium.

    • Troy Day
      Reply March 20, 2019

      Troy Day

      I like this type of comments – very constructive I have a response to post in just a little while to continue the conversation

  • Troy Day
    Reply March 20, 2019

    Troy Day

    a few questions
    (1) for starters: ONLY the ones who take the mark of the Beast (whoever that may be) will not be able to buy or sell. Anything! Food, gas, electricity, water – absolutely nothing.
    (2) The pastors will NOT be able to receive salaries, insurance or anything included in their package. Remember, if the church cannot buy or sale, neither can the pastor receive a salary. And even if a salary is given, what would the pastor spend it on without the mark of the beast?
    (3) Tithing system – those are most usually set up with a paper check or some sort of electronic banking like debiting or crediting. With the mark of the beast, the church will NOT be able to receive those moneys and even if it does, it cannot operate with them to buy or sell anything.
    (4) What about church buildings – without the mark of the beast they will not be able to purchase any service – electricity, lights, internet, gas for church vans, insurance, special events, catering, food – no communion elements. Nothing at all. With no professional services available, a church building may last a few months, but will fall apart soon before the Tribulation is over… Just think about it
    (5) Any other church related logistics or operations that depend on the purchase of gasoline and transportation. They way current church infrastructure in America is set up, how many would actually take the time to walk miles and miles to a church?

  • Ed Brewer
    Reply March 20, 2019

    Ed Brewer

    2 Thess 2:11

  • RichardAnna Boyce
    Reply March 20, 2019

    RichardAnna Boyce

    The church will survive if its left behind members support Israel in their hour of need….. “RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!”
    Though the entire Tribulation period will be arduous for the world,
    the persecution of Jewish followers of Christ will not commence until the occurrence of the abomination of desolation, revealed by Jesus in Matt 24:15ff.

    This event will occur when the man of sin (the beast of Revelation) will enter the rebuilt temple of God to be worshipped as god by the world at large.33
    Satan will empower this man to “make war” against Jewish believers in Christ
    and to overcome them.34
    Upon abominating the temple, this “man of sin” will issue the command for his army to desolate Jewish believers in Christ35—
    that is, to hunt them down to arrest or kill them.
    In order for Jewish followers of Christ to survive, they will need to flee immediately upon the occurrence of the abomination of desolation36;
    they will not even be afforded the time to grab anything to take with them—
    no possessions, money, extra clothing, etc.; nor will they be able to buy or sell anything since they will not receive the mark of the beast.37

    VIII. THE NEEDS OF “THE LEAST OF THESE MY BRETHREN”
    As a result, these Jewish disciples will need others to meet their basic needs throughout the Great Tribulation.
    These necessities are addressed in Matt 25:35-36 in which Jesus declares His brethren will be hungry, thirsty, strangers, and in need of clothing.
    In addition, some will require medical attention, while others, captured by troops sent out by Satan’s world ruler,38 will need people to attend to their necessities in prison. They will be in desperate need of help!

    IX. THE REWARD FOR HELPING JESUS’ BRETHREN
    However, the risk for helping these followers of Jesus will be enormous!
    Because the beast of Revelation will seek to carry out Satan’s desire to wipe out God’s chosen people, particularly those who faithfully follow Christ,39
    giving aid to any of these brethren will be tantamount to risking one’s life.
    For the willingness of Gentile believers to take that kind of risk for Christ’s brethren, Jesus will greatly reward their obedience by granting them the privilege of inheriting the kingdom (ruling with Christ in God’s kingdom).40

    • Troy Day
      Reply March 20, 2019

      Troy Day

      where is the church going to run? there are not enough caves in the world – just enough for Israel

    • RichardAnna Boyce
      Reply March 20, 2019

      RichardAnna Boyce

      Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; let him who is on the housetop not go down to get the things out that are in his house; and let him who is in the field not turn back to get his cloak. But woe to those who are with child and to those who nurse babes in those days! But pray that your flight may not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath;—Matthew 24:16-20. it is for believing Jews in Jerusalem.

  • Troy Day
    Reply March 20, 2019

    Troy Day

    OK, so the hiding in the rocks scenario, in which Jesus is most obviously speaking to the Jews. They knew how to carve hideaway caves in the lime rock of the desolated land and hide whole villages from the Romans. Let’s say my Indonesian related friend lives in mid-Georgia area near Atlanta. Which rocky area can he run into and hide his family, especially if with many kids? How long would be able to survive, having lived the city life and not knowing how to skin even a squirrel? And most importantly, what kind of church would that be that survives the Tribulation and comes into the Havens? Zero to none is perhaps the best answer for the post-trib scenario.

  • Marco Darko
    Reply March 20, 2019

    Marco Darko

    whats a left behind church

  • Daniel Day II
    Reply March 21, 2019

    Daniel Day II

    It will be rough

  • Troy Day
    Reply March 21, 2019

    Troy Day

    impossible indeed

  • Link Hudson
    Reply March 21, 2019

    Link Hudson

    I do not agree with this theory that there are those that are in Christ that He won’t resurrect or rapture. I Corinthians 15 says in Christ shall all be made alive, Christ the firstfruits, and afterward they that are His at His coming.

    We should get our beliefs from scripture not cheesy movies.

  • Troy Day
    Reply March 21, 2019

    Troy Day

    1 Corinthians 15 does not disprove pre-Trib rapture but this is hardly the question here so dont get side tracked again The OP question is HOW a left behind church will survive? 1 Cor 15?

    • Link Hudson
      Reply March 21, 2019

      Link Hudson

      The assumption is that there will be churches left behind. What kind of churches? Civic assemblies, yeah probably. But the church of Jesus Christ? What is your basis for saying that some will be left behind?

    • Troy Day
      Reply March 21, 2019

      Troy Day

      There is no theory OR assumption in this OP
      OP is a QUESTION asked based on the FALSE theory and the assumption of post-Trib rapture BTW do you believe pre-Trib rapture is HERESY ?

    • Link Hudson
      Reply March 21, 2019

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day I don’t throw the word ‘heresy’ around. Some teachings can divide and damage the faith of others. Maybe pre-trib will fall into that category if it derails the faith of some who take the mark fo the beast because Christians did not disappear sending airplanes crashing to the ground.

      I just don’t see any solid Biblical evidence for pre-trib. I see a lot of pretribbers, trying to stretch pre-trib arguments out of a few verses and going to great lengths to fit passages that do not really fit pre-trib (like II Thessalonians 2) into a pre-trib paradigm. They think that by telling their pre-trib scenario, throwing verses from that passage into their story, they’ve proven their case– like one of the Perry Stone videos you referred me to as if that proved pre-trib.

      The ‘one taken and the other left’ passage is ‘after the tribulation’ in Matthew 24. Revelation does not show a pre-trib rapture in the sequence of events before telling about the difficulties the saints go through. In II Thessalonians 1, the church is present when Jesus comes back, executing vengence on them that know not God, in that day. We should keep this in mind when reading about the things that must precede that day in chapter 2. A natural reading of I Thessalonians 4 puts the rapture at the parousia, not seven years before. Treating the parousia as a 7 year event doesn’t make much sense if Jesus is still in heaven at that time.

      I’m not seeing scripture to justify going to such great lengths to interpret Revelation, II Thessalonians 2, or Matthew 24 to fit with pre-trib. There neds to be some scripture that actually teaches pre-trib to justify this. That is what I have asked for. I was raised believing pretrib and let it go because I could not find it in scripture and it does nto fit with what I read.

      Setting aside specific eschatologies for a minute, do you have any scripture that shows that some of the church, some of the saints, will be ‘left behind’? Does that scenario of two grinding at the mill say both are church people?

    • Troy Day
      Reply March 21, 2019

      Troy Day

      I asked this question and had a great conversation with Gary Micheal Epping about it back in the day I dont have problem with people staying and hiding in caves if so they wish I for one am not planning to be here

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