How often do you SIN?

How often do you SIN?
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  • Troy Day
    Reply August 17, 2019

    Troy Day

    is this even positional? RichardAnna Boyce

  • Troy Day
    Reply August 17, 2019

    Troy Day

    is the question of the ages Charles Page

    • Charles Page
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Charles Page

      If you know when you last sinned you are probably willfully intentionally sinning, you make sinning a practice. That seems to be the greater problem.
      Is there forgiveness for willful intentional sinning?

    • Ray E Horton
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Ray E Horton

      Charles Page All sin has already been forgiven. The sin that keeps on separate from God is unbelief. All sin is forgiven, but it is the repentant heart that chooses to receive that forgiveness. Otherwise those living in intentional sin will have miserable lives inthe here and now.

    • Charles Page
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Charles Page

      Otherwise??? elaborate

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Philip Williams

      However often you are sining, stop it!

    • Charles Page
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Charles Page

      Philip Williams can you stop unwilful sinning?

    • Charles Page
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Charles Page

      Adam sinned willfully – He could have refused and not sin!!

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Charles Page Jesus Christ can change you. Read 2 Peter. His divine power gives us everything we need to become saints.

      Cursed be Reformed theology which will lead you to Hell. If you are truly a Pentecostal, you would already know that.

    • Charles Page
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Charles Page

      Philip Williams, I’m not Reformed however there are many Pentecostals who call themselves Reformed.

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Charles Page If you don’t believe in Holiness, but in the necessity of sinning, that’s an essential aspect of the Reformed view stemming from Martin Luther and John Calvin.

    • Charles Page
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Charles Page

      Philip Williams but not John MacArthur …he holds to lordship salvation

    • Charles Page
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Charles Page

      Philip Williams btw I believe in holiness

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Charles Page Lordship salvation isn’t the same as Holiness which they falsely claim is salvation by works.

    • Charles Page
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Charles Page

      Philip Williams I know that
      Holiness is second work in salvation
      Not achieved in new birth/ regeneration

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Charles Page the blood of Christ redeems us but to be holy we must die with him to this present world and rise with him as a new creation, sons of God who are led by his Spirit. Are you dead to this present world? Have you sold all to follow Christ?

    • Charles Page
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Charles Page

      Philip Williams yes I have, have you?

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Of course! How much did you sell to follow Jesus?

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 19, 2019

      Troy Day

      both of yall aint right

  • Ray E Horton
    Reply August 17, 2019

    Ray E Horton

    We all sin daily! Anything that we do without faith is sin. But, for anyone Born Again, sins are not imputed to us, our spirits having been made righteous, which is what God is looking at.

  • Jim Price
    Reply August 17, 2019

    Jim Price

    I have often pondered the oft used, we all sin daily, used mostly by baptists. But I think that is not accurate. Some go long periods of time without sinning while others commit sins by the minute. What about a child? What about a person under anesthesia for several days? Then I have met people who keep such a close watch on their thoughts and actions that I would be hesitant to say they sin daily.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Troy Day

      I dont sin daily Thank you very much

    • RichardAnna Boyce
      Reply August 18, 2019

      RichardAnna Boyce

      Troy Day Boasting is sin brother. Romans 7:18 NKJV –
      For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.

    • Ray E Horton
      Reply August 19, 2019

      Ray E Horton

      We must remember that whatever is not of faith is sin. Entertaining wrong thoughts even momentarily can be sin.

      Then there are sins of ommision. “Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin (James 4:7).

      Good thing we don’t have to keep track of our sins under the New Covenant. In fact, we become more like what we focus on. Thus, we don’t focus on sin, but on Jesus, who took our sin. That way, by the overflow of God’s love, we overcome more sin accidentally and unawares than we ever did by focusing on sin and trying hard.

  • Eddie Burdick
    Reply August 17, 2019

    Eddie Burdick

    How often do you listen to the Holy Spirit and convict you of sin and righteousness? And how often does 1st John 1 and 9 works in your life unto righteousness and how disciplined are you in your flesh and your spirit?

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Troy Day

      tell us – how often?

    • Eddie Burdick
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Eddie Burdick

      Troy Day

    • Eddie Burdick
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Eddie Burdick

      I don’t think there is a amount is there?

    • Eddie Burdick
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Eddie Burdick

      There is only one s i n and that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit but Jesus did not give a rough estimate Troy this is why he is a personal savior he works with you personally

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Eddie Burdick I perceive you are not fully sanctified

    • Ray E Horton
      Reply August 19, 2019

      Ray E Horton

      Full sanctification has to do with our perfected spirit, and how God sees us.

      But, none of us have arrived at the soulish level (mind, will, emotions), which is why we are told to “work out” our salvation, thus becoming more and more like who we have been made to be in our spirit.

    • Eddie Burdick
      Reply August 19, 2019

      Eddie Burdick

      Yes in position in Him

  • Troy Day
    Reply August 17, 2019

    Troy Day

    Philip Williams Charles Page seems like you are both sinning right now if you ask me

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day ??

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams Its easy – all men sin by default and require penance

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day If they haven’t been saved from their sins. Have you heard the good news of Jesus?

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams have you heard about saved people still sinning ?

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 17, 2019

      Philip Williams

      That’s an oxymoron. Saved means saved from sins.

    • RichardAnna Boyce
      Reply August 17, 2019

      RichardAnna Boyce

      believers have been saved from the PENALTY of all sins; and are being continuously saved from the POWER of sin. We will finally be saved from the PRESENCE of sin.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams I perceive you are not fully sanctified

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day

      Give me your list of the fully sanctified on your list.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams I can start with Melvin Harter

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day I want to know more about him. Tell me.

      And is Troy Day on your list?

    • RichardAnna Boyce
      Reply August 18, 2019

      RichardAnna Boyce

      Troy Day perceptions and seeming judgements are sins brother; especially when you boast you can live a day without sinning; it is then God allows devil to be His sheep dog to drive you back into His sheep pen of abiding in Jesus.

  • Troy Day
    Reply August 18, 2019

    Troy Day

    NO Philip Williams it is NOT an oxymoron but makes some look like a moron – do you not believe that saved people sin and fall off grace? In Pentecostalism it is called backsliding – if you are a baptist catholic who believe in eternal security that explains a lot of what you’ve been saying lately about the elect being left behind

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day some time I’ll explain the Calvinism roots of the very idea that those awaiting salvation are already saved though some one time conversion.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams explain it to Tyler Lee Price

    • Tyler Lee Price
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Tyler Lee Price

      Troy Day dude, those who are in Christ are secure in their salvation. The only time their salvation can be broken is by apostasy. The Christian life is a constant battle between the flesh and the Spirit and sometimes, the flesh wins. Those who are in Christ and have not gone apostate, however, are secure in their salvation. “BACKSLIDING” does not tear someone’s salvation away from them.

      Scripture makes that clear.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Tyler Lee Price dude? How is anything of what you are saying Pentecostal at all? Are you a calvinist

    • Tyler Lee Price
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Tyler Lee Price

      Troy Day you’re grossly misrepresenting Calvin.

      I’m not a Calvinist, I’m an open theist, but I will argue with you that backsliding does not tear someone’s salvation from them. Apostasy, on the other hand, does.

      Again, I ask you the same question. How is any of what you are saying Pentecostal?

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Tyler Lee Price No I am NOT grossly misrepresenting Calvin. I simply asked if YOU are a calvinist

    • Tyler Lee Price
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Tyler Lee Price

      Troy Day have you read the institutes carefully? Because our conversation from last night proves to me that you haven’t.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Tyler Lee Price SO because I asked you are question you cant answer I am the bad guy 🙂

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Tyler Lee Price “Backsliding is apostasy.”

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Tyler Lee Price To answer your question I read most of Calvins works in the original latin perhaps before you were born

    • Tyler Lee Price
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Tyler Lee Price

      Troy Day you’re building a straw man argument.

      I’m saying that you are either misinformed as to the original ideas of Calvin or you are informed, but misrepresenting and building a straw man argument to make a point.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Tyler Lee Price I am building NO argument – I simply asked a question you cant answer That’s all

    • Tyler Lee Price
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Tyler Lee Price

      Troy Day I answered the question. I said that those things don’t define Pentecostalism, therefore what I said is neither Pentecostal nor non-Pentecostal.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Tyler Lee Price which proves my point that what you saying is not even Pentecostal – what exactly is your purpose in this Pentecostal theology group?

    • Tyler Lee Price
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Tyler Lee Price

      Troy Day what I said is neither Pentecostal nor non-Pentecostal, as those things I discussed do not define Pentecostalism.

      My purpose in this group, as an educated Pentecostal, is to clearly and precisely define and articulate a Pentecostal theology of both practice and mission, as well as a pentecostal pneumatology.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Tyler Lee Price what Philip Williams asked you above

    • Tyler Lee Price
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Tyler Lee Price

      Troy Day he didn’t ask me anything.

    • Tyler Lee Price
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Tyler Lee Price

      Troy Day

      “let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful. And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. For if we go on sinning /deliberately/ after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,”
      ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:22-26‬ ‭ESV‬‬

      “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.

      For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.”
      ‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:23-25, 28‬ ‭

      “because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.””
      ‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:9-13‬ ‭ESV‬‬

      Justification is by grace and faith alone, sanctification, however, is grace, faith, and works-based.

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Tyler Lee Price

      “My purpose in this group, as an educated Pentecostal”

      Tell us your age and about your education.

    • Tyler Lee Price
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Tyler Lee Price

      Philip Williams

      21, I’m currently in my undergrad, but I’ve done a ton of research and writing at the collegiate level since I was 18 and became a Christian.

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Tyler Lee Price

      Nice. Where are you studying?

    • Tyler Lee Price
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Tyler Lee Price

      Philip Williams Lee University. I’m part of the McNair Scholar’s program there as well. I plan on going to Duke Divinity or Princeton for my Th.M and Ph.D.

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Tyler Lee Price that will be good for communicating the gospel. But you will have to learn to become a Christian directly from Jesus, our only teacher.

      That will cost you more than your scholarly education. It will cost you everything. But it’s well worth the investment.

    • Tyler Lee Price
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Tyler Lee Price

      The Spirit talks, I listen.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 19, 2019

      Troy Day

      In my day going to liberal Princeton was a sin As for Duke I;ve only used their MSS library onsite

  • Philip Williams
    Reply August 18, 2019

    Philip Williams

    What our theological traditions say means absolutely nothing, What is generally believed today means nothing. The only thing that counts is what Jesus and the Scriptures say.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      I bet your Pentecostal grandma do not believe what you just said as related to Pentecostalism

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day what grandma said means nothing.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams Scripture says it does 2 Tim 1:5

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day In Philippians, Paul does not assume that he himself has yet taken hold of salvation.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams I cant argue with that either

  • Philip Williams
    Reply August 18, 2019

    Philip Williams

    Salvation is yet to come:

    Hebrews 9:28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Troy Day

      the point you just made with the youngin dude feller hit the nail on the hed

    • Ray E Horton
      Reply August 19, 2019

      Ray E Horton

      I see salvation as three-fold. It is complete in our spirit man, where we are perfected already with the righteousness of God in Christ. That is how God sees us.

      Secondly, our salvation is in progress at the soulish level (mind, will,emotions), as we gradually grow, becoming more and more like our spirit man as we see who we now are in the mirror of God’s Word and are gradually transformed from glory to glory. It’s a lifetime process.

      Thirdly, our salvation will be completed when we graduate from this life and receive our glorified bodies, of which healing is a down payment and a foreshadowing.

      What counts for eternity a believer already has, a full saved spirit. What counts for daily living and growth in holy, Christ-like living is salvation in progress, as we work it out.

  • Philip Williams
    Reply August 18, 2019

    Philip Williams

    Paul uses the example of those who were delivered from Egypt yet who rebelled and perished in the wilderness as an example for believers of the New Covenant.

  • Troy Day
    Reply August 18, 2019

    Troy Day

    I;d like to think we’ve crossed Jordan by now

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Philip Williams

      “crossing the Jordan” might happen when you die. Or else when Jesus returns.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 19, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams not what EARLY Pentecostals believed preached and lived for

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 19, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day Early Pentecostals depended on and lived for the Lord. Unlike so many Proud Pentecostals (PP) today, they were open to new revelation and more understanding. That’s why they became Pentecostal. Early Pentecostals had been Methodist, Holiness, Catholics, Quakers, Atheists, and a few even Baptist.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 19, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams you now sound like a late Pentecostal

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 19, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day have you read the bios of early Pentecostals?

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 19, 2019

      Troy Day

      I have but have you? Larry Martin has a great series on this

  • Philip Williams
    Reply August 18, 2019

    Philip Williams

    The idea that one is now “saved” does come from Calvinism. It developed from the New England Puritans who examined coverts as to whether they were called as being among the elect and therefore could own the covenant and take communion. According to Calvinist theology, if they were among the elect they were indeed saved. The revivalist of the Great Awakening took a born again experience as assurance that one was among the elect. Hence, the experience came to be reckoned as assurance of salvation.

    Those Puritans who started baptizing those who had such an experience became known as Separatist Baptist. They came to North Carolina where the great Baptist revival took place. “Getting saved” entered the vocabulary.

  • Philip Williams
    Reply August 18, 2019

    Philip Williams

    Read Ezekiel 18 if you think that one can assume they are saved.

  • Philip Williams
    Reply August 18, 2019

    Philip Williams

    The vast majority aren’t going to be saved. Narrow is the way that leads to salvation and few find it.

  • RichardAnna Boyce
    Reply August 18, 2019

    RichardAnna Boyce

    Were saved from penalty of sin (justification); are being saved from power of sin (sanctification); will be saved from presence of sin (glorification).

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 18, 2019

      Philip Williams

      RichardAnna Boyce cursed be your manmade theology. You will be held accountable in the judgement.

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 19, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Ray E Horton, thank you for the rebuke. The comment is literally true. I was reading him in the light as he himself reads this, claiming that everyone who ever claimed Jesus will be saved no matter how filthy they live and no matter how much they may later deny or curse Jesus.

  • Troy Day
    Reply August 19, 2019

    Troy Day

    Philip Williams how do you unsaved Christians but claim Christians are not yet saved?

  • Jim Price
    Reply August 19, 2019

    Jim Price

    When you say the vast majority won’t be saved leads me to the debate on abortion and to Solomon’s thought that it better not to be born.

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 19, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Jim Price What is your thoughts concerning Noah’s Food?

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 19, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Jim Price

      “For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?””
      ‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭4:17-18‬

    • Jim Price
      Reply August 19, 2019

      Jim Price

      Did you mean flood? If so it’s Monday and my brains a little foggy so I’ll pass on this.

    • Philip Williams
      Reply August 19, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Jim Price maybe you are more righteous than Christ who died on the cross to save us from our sins?

      Or maybe you are wiser than God, not supposing that sin is such a problem in creation and thus doesn’t even need atonement?

    • Jim Price
      Reply August 19, 2019

      Jim Price

      Don’t understand your attitude; no one who knows me personally comes across that way to me. Don’t know what I’ve written that would make you think that I am proud and pompous.

  • Philip Williams
    Reply August 19, 2019

    Philip Williams

    “After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,” 1 Peter‬ ‭3:19-20‬

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