How can a left behind church survive the Tribulation?

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A recent post-Tribulation book by a guy who did some mission work in Indonesia or the close by area, led to some question as of HOW exactly can a left behind church survive the Tribulation? His “book” mimicked the Left Behind series, but took the opposite approach looking into the life of believers (not the word believers – not churches).

It is most certain THAT some churches in the WORLD today go through tribulation. Many are persecuted, executed and martyred for the faith. But is this The Tribulation of the Bible?

So lets take the post-Trib theory a step further and examine HOW would a church operated during the Tribulation and more specifically an evangelical church in America.

(1) for starters: ONLY the ones who take the mark of the Beast (whoever that may be) will not be able to buy or sell. Anything! Food, gas, electricity, water – absolutely nothing.

(2) The pastors will NOT be able to receive salaries, insurance or anything included in their package. Remember, if the church cannot buy or sale, neither can the pastor receive a salary. And even if a salary is given, what would the pastor spend it on without the mark of the beast?

(3) Tithing system – those are most usually set up with a paper check or some sort of electronic banking like debiting or crediting. With the mark of the beast, the church will NOT be able to receive those moneys and even if it does, it cannot operate with them to buy or sell anything.

(4) What about church buildings – without the mark of the beast they will not be able to purchase any service – electricity, lights, internet, gas for church vans, insurance, special events, catering, food – no communion elements. Nothing at all. With no professional services available, a church building may last a few months, but will fall apart soon before the Tribulation is over… Just think about it

(5) Any other church related logistics or operations that depend on the purchase of gasoline and transportation. They way current church infrastructure in America is set up, how many would actually take the time to walk miles and miles to a church?

OK, so the hiding in the rocks scenario, in which Jesus is most obviously speaking to the Jews. They knew how to carve hideaway caves in the lime rock of the desolated land and hide whole villages from the Romans. Let’s say my Indonesian related friend lives in mid-Georgia area near Atlanta. Which rocky area can he run into and hide his family, especially if with many kids? How long would be able to survive, having lived the city life and not knowing how to skin even a squirrel? And most importantly, what kind of church would that be that survives the Tribulation and comes into the Havens? Zero to none is perhaps the best answer for the post-trib scenario.

Perhaps for this reason a question is asked in the Revelations about Who are those coming from the Tribulation? If those are NOT Israel, the question is asked in the Holy Book in the most surprising matter. Both the asker and the answerer are quire surprised that ANYone has been able to pass through the Tribulation without taking the Mark of the Beast. The surprise in the text comes from only one reasonable explanation – the church is already in the Heavens, saved from any Tribulation and celebrating with the Lamb of God. The ones coming from the Tribulation are the exception to this rule. They are the Left Behind…

142 Comments

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 27, 2018

    Troy Day

    Rico Hero Alan Smith A.J. Bible OK, so the hiding in the rocks scenario, in which Jesus is most obviously speaking to the Jews. They knew how to carve hideaway caves in the lime rock of the desolated land and hide whole villages from the Romans. Let’s say my Indonesian related friend lives in mid-Georgia area near Atlanta. Which rocky area can he run into and hide his family, especially if with many kids? How long would be able to survive, having lived the city life and not knowing how to skin even a squirrel? And most importantly, what kind of church would that be that survives the Tribulation and comes into the Havens? Zero to none is perhaps the best answer for the post-trib scenario. Ricky Grimsley

    • Gary Micheal Epping
      Reply October 29, 2018

      Gary Micheal Epping

      I can see your point if you look at parts of the seeker friendly, sissified, American church, which would have trouble standing up to any type of minor trials, much less what will happen during the Great Tribulation. HOWEVER, if you look at the house churches in China, one can see that the church of Jesus Christ is capable of standing strong and withstanding whatever the devil might throw their way. If God gave the Jews quail and manna to sustain them in the OT, he will provide for his own, both Jew and gentile, during the Great Tribulation. The only ones wimping out then, will be some of the pretrib Christians that are still complaining that they should have been rescued earlier.

    • Troy Day
      Reply October 29, 2018

      Troy Day

      Even the members houses churches in China can BUY and SELL – there no such option for Christians who do NOT accept the mark of the beast during the Tribulation .Sure there could be churches but they will have to accept the mark of the beast in order to buy or sell

    • Gary Micheal Epping
      Reply October 29, 2018

      Gary Micheal Epping

      Troy Day Why would they need to buy and sell with those people groups that have accepted the mark? God will give them a place of protection to stay across the world (Bozrahs), as well as food. There may be trade within the Bozrah or between Bozrahs, but no need to interact with those that follow the Antichrist.

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 28, 2018

    Troy Day

    Perhaps for this reason a question is asked in the Revelations about Who are those coming from the Tribulation? If those are NOT Israel, the question is asked in the Holy Book in the most surprising matter. Both the asker and the answerer are quire surprised that ANYone has been able to pass through the Tribulation without taking the Mark of the Beast. The surprise in the text comes from only one reasonable explanation – the church is already in the Heavens, saved from any Tribulation and celebrating with the Lamb of God. The ones coming from the Tribulation are the exception to this rule. They are the Left Behind…

  • Jerome Herrick Weymouth
    Reply October 28, 2018

    Jerome Herrick Weymouth

    Member when Christian groups were raising
    money to send to Israel to buy food for those who would hide in Petra during the tribulation? Who got that money?

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 28, 2018

    Troy Day

    ISRAEL – yes! American church – hardly possible !

  • Rico Hero
    Reply October 28, 2018

    Rico Hero

    Troy, I clicked on the above link re: how can a left behind church survive the Tribulation, that leads to your page and watched the video you have linked: “Has the tribulation actually begun Part 1 ” by Perry Stone Two things stood out in his video 1) when he said the martyrs go to a special paradise and rule with Christ. Perry does not believe that there is a special paradise for martyrs or does he? 2) that the Antichrist will be a Muslim. I do not think so because the Antichrist turns over the Temple Mount to the Jews. Anyways, I will assume/hope in Part 2 of “has the tribulation actually begun” Perry says that no the tribulation has not actually begun.

  • Link Hudson
    Reply October 28, 2018

    Link Hudson

    Not sure if this is about me or not. I never wrote that book bit thought it would be a cool idea. Better at least to have a Biblically feasible book than the left behind series.

  • Link Hudson
    Reply October 28, 2018

    Link Hudson

    Also those of all nations come out of the great tribulation according to Revelation 7, not just Israel.

    The difficulty of surviving the tribulation is not a logical argument for the pretrib rapture. It is an emotional one. It is the same reason pretrib is popular. Many Christians do not want to have to suffer of believe that they will have to.

    God is able to multiply food and Christians may need to learn to share again as in the book of Acts.

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 28, 2018

    Troy Day

    Rico Hero apart from the video (I dont believe in a Muslim antiChrist either but Ricky Grimsley may believe it ) a few questions

    (1) for starters: ONLY the ones who take the mark of the Beast (whoever that may be) will not be able to buy or sell. Anything! Food, gas, electricity, water – absolutely nothing.

    (2) The pastors will NOT be able to receive salaries, insurance or anything included in their package. Remember, if the church cannot buy or sale, neither can the pastor receive a salary. And even if a salary is given, what would the pastor spend it on without the mark of the beast?

    (3) Tithing system – those are most usually set up with a paper check or some sort of electronic banking like debiting or crediting. With the mark of the beast, the church will NOT be able to receive those moneys and even if it does, it cannot operate with them to buy or sell anything.

    (4) What about church buildings – without the mark of the beast they will not be able to purchase any service – electricity, lights, internet, gas for church vans, insurance, special events, catering, food – no communion elements. Nothing at all. With no professional services available, a church building may last a few months, but will fall apart soon before the Tribulation is over… Just think about it

    (5) Any other church related logistics or operations that depend on the purchase of gasoline and transportation. They way current church infrastructure in America is set up, how many would actually take the time to walk miles and miles to a church?

    • Link Hudson
      Reply October 29, 2018

      Link Hudson

      Could it be that the church might return to some practices of the early church– sharing resources, meeting in homes instead of church buildings, giving to leaders rather than set salaries?

      God is also able to multiply food. On a practical level, farming, hunting, and sharing may be some ways to survive depending on where one is located.

    • Troy Day
      Reply October 29, 2018

      Troy Day

      Where would you get seeds for farming?
      Even nowadays most seeds nowadays are GMO engineered and government regulated where you have to BUY them each year

      Then you have very very unfavorable times for cropping –
      moon turning into blood,
      stars falling from the sky,
      most water poisoned,
      locusts and other creatures,
      cannibalism especially for large families acceptable etc.

      God’s favor and protection will NOT be on earth during the Tribulation Even Ricky Grimsley has given up on such idea

    • Link Hudson
      Reply October 29, 2018

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day sounfs pretty rough. Christians will have something more reliable than your concerns. The Bible says “…my God shall supply all your needs according to His riches in glory…” and also “seek ye first the kingdom of God….and all these thinhs shall be added unto you.”

      We would both agree there will be saints during that time. Unless God preserves them miraculously through an extended fast they will have to eat.

      If your questions do not disprove the existence of the tribulational saints the Bible tells us about, then it they are not evidence for a pretrib rapture.

    • Troy Day
      Reply October 29, 2018

      Troy Day

      Your scenario seems impossible Even the 2 witnesses in Revelation that speak from God are not given such comfort as you claim some imaginary church would have under the Tribulation. BTW there is no Scripture support that God’s Wrath would spare none For this reason in Rev 3:10 the church is promised to be taken before the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth – note the whole world no exception and all inhabitants – no exception

    • Link Hudson
      Reply October 29, 2018

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day Do you think it is impossible that Jesus’ statement that if you seek first the kingdom of God all these things shall be added unto you? How does the experience of the two witnesses change that?

      The congregation in Philadelphia would be kept from the hour of temptation that would come upon the whole world. But many saints will endure the tribulation.

      Can you show me where __The church__ experiences a pre-tribulation rapture in the book of Revelation without using bizaar allegorical interpretation, such as saying John being told ‘Come up hither’ means a pre-trib rapture?

    • Troy Day
      Reply October 29, 2018

      Troy Day

      How do you think all this would work under the Tribulation Seems hardly possible the way you describe it

    • Link Hudson
      Reply October 29, 2018

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day so are you doubting that saints will exist during the tribulation as the Bible teaches?

    • Troy Day
      Reply October 29, 2018

      Troy Day

      what do you mean?

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 29, 2018

    Troy Day

    Link Hudson Sure there could be many churches under the Tribulation perhaps even your GBI but they will have to accept the mark of the beast in order to buy or sell

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 29, 2018

    Troy Day

    Gary Micheal Epping Sorry I am just now seeing this question of yours:

    Why would they need to buy and sell with those people groups that have accepted the mark?

    They would need to accept the mark in order to buy or sell [period]
    How else would they survive for 7 years without buying or selling?

    • Gary Micheal Epping
      Reply October 29, 2018

      Gary Micheal Epping

      Who says you have to buy or sell with others with the mark. Christians will buy and sell or barter with other christians who do not have the mark.

  • Link Hudson
    Reply October 29, 2018

    Link Hudson

    We may have to learn to farm, hunt, and share.

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 29, 2018

    Troy Day

    Could you point to some churches in your area or organization that are preparing in such way for the Tribulation? Again, what seeds would you use to farm? In todays America you have to buy seeds from the government every year. They are good only for one crop. They do not produce seeds for the next year – just 1 harvest So how would you farm for 7 long years?

    • Link Hudson
      Reply October 29, 2018

      Link Hudson

      I’m not a farmer. It may be good for someone to prep, and the Lord may lead some people in that direction. I’ve heard of someone doing that. I’m not a farmer. Are all seeds sterile like that? I’d imagine classic seeds still exist.

    • Gary Micheal Epping
      Reply October 30, 2018

      Gary Micheal Epping

      I already have solar and wind power, and am fully off the grid. I do not need to buy or sell from an electric company. Plenty of elk, deer, and antelope around for food. Have 30 acres to plant crops if ever needed. It would not be that big a deal to survive if the Great tribulation began tomorrow. I think we could make it for 3.5 years.

    • Troy Day
      Reply October 30, 2018

      Troy Day

      Where would you get seeds to plant crops?
      Where would you buy bullets/arrows for hunting? And would you plan to hunt OFF season as well?
      Are you planning to crop by hand with no gasoline?

    • Link Hudson
      Reply October 30, 2018

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day I don’t know when the great tribulation. will happen or if I will be aluve. We all should trust God to provide. If He directs you to farm di so.

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 30, 2018

    Troy Day

    Ricky Grimsley are you too planing to hunt and crop for 7 years? me and Rico Hero be then by then 🙂

    • Link Hudson
      Reply October 30, 2018

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day persecution could occur whether we go through tgw great tribulation or not.

    • Troy Day
      Reply October 30, 2018

      Troy Day

      The question is HOW would the church survive? The answer is impossible. The church is taken before the hour of wrath

    • Troy Day
      Reply October 31, 2018

      Troy Day

      You are of course once again misinterpreting on purpose what I wrote above. Food is a small part of the issue though an important one overall.

      I question the very possibility for the church to operate as a church under the Tribulation.

      Apart from general talk, you have not provided a solid argument against my point, just ridicule as usual Your next move is to drop the ball for a few days under a busy pretext come back in a week or two with the same topic and repeat your pseudo argument again hoping everyone forgot. This is not way to lead a scholarly discussion. If you have something that makes a lick of sens to say please do

    • Link Hudson
      Reply October 31, 2018

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day I suspect your idea of ‘function as a church’ differs from mine. The early church tended to meet in homes. There is no record of a church building being built in the Bible. There is no command for Christians to tothe to the church. Early Jerusalem saints who were zealous forthe law and made sacrificed in the temple likely continued to tithe to the priests. The Bible does not even mention our one man or senior pastor system. They had elders who were charged with pastoring the flock. Paul and Barnabas appointed elders from within their congregations instead of bringing in hired career clergymen. There is no reference to salaries for them, either, but they were to recieve ‘honor’.

      If some of these institutional church structures we see today disentigrated and were replaced with what we see in Scripture I am inclined to see that as a good thing.

      As you will recall, Revelation does not refer to the saints as churches during that time. It may have to do with the global context it is addressing. The churches in chapters 2-3 are one churchbper city and later chapters may view Christians spread across the earth. Maybe city churches will not be recognizable during this time. Do we even see Christians functioning as one church per city now?

      The questions like ‘how are ya gonna eat if you can’t skin a squirrel?’ apply to tribulational saints under pretrib and post trib but does not prove ptetrib rapture. A lot of those saints will be killed. But unless God preserves the miraculously without food, they have to eat to survive until their heads get chopped off.

    • Troy Day
      Reply October 31, 2018

      Troy Day

      We’ll talk about it more in two weeks, I guess…

    • Link Hudson
      Reply October 31, 2018

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day are you expecting an eschalogical event inw weeks?

    • Troy Day
      Reply October 31, 2018

      Troy Day

      wait – has it been 2 weeks? – talk to you then

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 6, 2018

    Troy Day

    Rico Hero A.J. Bible you can call this “special” revelation if you will but more and more I read Link Hudson and Gary Micheal Epping whom I enjoy greatly, I am starting to be persuaded they MAY be the 2 witnesses mentioned in Revelation. Their strong conviction of surviving through the Tribulation and leading many to Christ laves NO doubt of the mission served. We wish them all the best and will make many prayers before the Throne on their behalf during the later 3.5 years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0NROedyVP8

    • Link Hudson
      Reply November 6, 2018

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day i have met three of the twobwitn3ss3s already on the Internet based on what they wrote, ansd they arent me.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 6, 2018

      Troy Day

      I told Ricky Grimsley that when I watched #WACO it strongly reminded me of postribers and 3/4-rapture folk They just Revelations their own funny way

    • Link Hudson
      Reply November 6, 2018

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day the best evidence you have shown for pretrib is trying to redefine apostasia to refer to the rapture. You seem to think John being told ‘Come up hither’ refers to the rapture of the church, a weak argument and as allegorical as amil.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 6, 2018

      Troy Day

      Have I ever actually said this or you just like to put words in other people’s mouth without ever reading their exegetical argumentation? If you have only read…

    • Link Hudson
      Reply November 6, 2018

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day That’s the best of my recollection and understanding. Have i wrongly confused your viewpoint with another poster, or assumed you accepted a view from a video you endorsed? If so, I apologize. What is your belief about apostasia. You usually cite other people’s sources that you presumably agree with, and act like you made an argument. Now, you are indicating that you did not make that argument.

    • Rico Hero
      Reply November 6, 2018

      Rico Hero

      Two Events Precede the Day of the Lord
      The Falling away. Greek: apostasia (G646), defection, revolt, apostasy. Used only here (2Thess 2:3 )and in Acts 21:21, but the same as apostasion, divorce, in Mt. 5:31; 19:7; Mk. 10:4. The Greek here has the definite article, “the apostasy,” referring to the great apostasy during the tribulation days between the rapture and the second coming of Christ (Mt. 24:4-31 Rev. 6:1–Rev. 19:21). At the rapture of all dead and living in Christ in a moment (1Cor. 15:23,51-58 1Th. 4:13-18), not one soul will be left on earth who is a Christian. Multitudes will soon be saved afterward through an awakening (Acts 2:16-21 Rev. 6:9-11; 7:1-17; 12:17). The rest will become so hardened as to seek to destroy these being saved in those days (Rev. 9:20-21; 16:2,9-11). The great whore of Rev. 17 will destroy multitudes of Christians during the first 3 1/2 years of Daniel’s 70th week, while the Antichrist is coming to power over the 10 kingdoms inside the old Roman Empire (Rev. 6:9-11; 17:6). When Antichrist comes to full power over the 10 kingdoms in the middle of Daniel’s 70th week, he, together with the 10 kings, will destroy the great whore, establish the worship of the beast, and kill multitudes who will not worship him and his image or take his brands (Rev. 7:9-17; 13:1-18; 14:9-13; 15:2-4; 16:6-11 Rev. 2-4; 17:16-17).

      2.The man of sin is revealed (2Th. 2:3).

      From Dake

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 6, 2018

      Troy Day

      Rico Hero you will need to repeat this in a week or two when Link Hudson forgets all this and will ask you the same question again This insight about the use and meaning of the word was certainly compelling, but the argument most convicting comes the first seven English translations of the Bible rendered the noun, apostasia, as either “departure” or “departing.” They were as follows:
      1. The Wycliffe Bible (1384)
      2. The Tyndale Bible (1526)
      3. The Coverdale Bible (1535)
      4. The Cranmer Bible (1539)
      5. The Great Bible (1540)
      6. The Beeches Bible (1576)
      7. The Geneva Bible (1608)
      The Bible used by the Western world from 400 AD to the 1500s — Jerome’s Latin translation known as “The Vulgate” — rendered apostasia with the Latin word, discessio, which means “departure.” http://probible.net/2-thessalonians-22/

    • Link Hudson
      Reply November 6, 2018

      Link Hudson

      Troy Day Do you have any reason to think that ‘departing’ meant anything other than the apostacy to these translators? A couple of those are basically the same translation, btw.

      Wycliff translated it ‘dissenssion’, and I do not know if the other assertions here are correct. From Bible Hub:
      3(Let) No man deceive you in any manner. For but dissension, (or departing away), come first, and the man of sin be showed, the son of perdition,

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 6, 2018

    Troy Day

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 6, 2018

    Troy Day

    Rico Hero seems like with all the general talk Link Hudson has truly failed to show a single place the word CHURCH is used as being on earth between Rev ch. 4 and ch 19

  • Link Hudson
    Reply November 6, 2018

    Link Hudson

    I notice that Troy Day has not been able to produce any evidence for the church not being on earth between Revelation 4 and 19. I can show I Thessalonians 1, in which Christ returns and gives the church rest.

    I can also show from I Thessalonians 4 that the church is raptured at the parousia. II Thessalonians 2:8 shows that the man of sin is destroyed at the brightness of the parousia. Of course, I have never seen Troy actually write out a response to these passages or try to reconcile them.

  • Terry Wiles
    Reply November 6, 2018

    Terry Wiles

    There will not be a left behind church.

    The “Church” which is the Body of Christ will be with Him.

  • Troy Day
    Reply November 6, 2018

    Troy Day

    There you go Terry Wiles finally sums it up Now he needs to tell us WHO are the great multitude coming from the Tribulation and we will be done They cannot be the Church because they are dead – did not love their lives – they are not reptured nor translated into glory

    Then ol Lincoln will need to give us his full eschatological plan – like what follows after what. So far we only know he is a post-tribber of some sort but what follows after even he dont know

    one will be hunting to survive the Tribulation
    Link will be plowing with his finger nails perhaps
    What about Gerardo de Dominicis who cant neither hunt nor crop, but can fish only if there is a store to get bate from How are city boys like that going to survive the Tribulation when they cant buy the whole store at a 3 inch snow warning One answer only – they will have to take the mark of the beast Just think of the families with many children and you get the answer

    • Gary Micheal Epping
      Reply November 6, 2018

      Gary Micheal Epping

      People will starve and die only if they refuse to eat the manna God will provide or won’t go into a sheepfold sanctuary for protection.

    • Troy Day
      Reply November 6, 2018

      Troy Day

      NT verses that say anything about manna from God during Tribulation pls Ricky Grimsley do you know any? So even if you have food covered what about gas and first need things? Or will just stay there for 7yrs and wait on manna? Gary Micheal

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 9, 2019

    Troy Day

    NO – if it could Jesus wouldnt need to come back

  • Jireh D Hormann
    Reply July 10, 2019

    Jireh D Hormann

    If they’re left behind, they wouldn’t be the church.

  • Todd Griffin
    Reply July 12, 2019

    Todd Griffin

    I would say The best strategy would be to make sure YOU DON’T get left behind.

  • Philip Williams
    Reply July 12, 2019

    Philip Williams

    Answering these questions concerning how the church will actually thrive in the Great Tribulation.

    Let’s first address the Great Deception that Paul mentions in 2Thes.

    1. The book of Daniel clearly shows that beasts are not individuals but world dominating governments. Do we not know that our warfare is not against flesh and blood? Even God’s government in Heaven are the four living beasts that surround his throne.

    No government in the history of the world has ever dominated the entire world except the one in Washington, D.C, If you don’t believe that you must have the mark of this beast in order to buy or sell, then ask the leaders of Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela. What does John’s Revelation mention this? That is the source of power of this beast.

    This beast obtained its power during the Gulf War when it called down fire from heaven in full view of men. That was the point in which the nations of the world understood they could not oppose this government.

    2. The money-driven, free-enterprise economy sits on this beast which John saw in the wilderness. In John’s day, North America was but a wilderness. Mystery Babylon is this present world. The sea captains, the great men of the world, are corporate CEO’s. Corporations literally use the structure of ship charters. That is why all corporations must be “chartered.”

    3. The false prophet that has deceived the world is naturalistic science, the official religion of the US Government.

    4. Science is essentially elevating man’s knowledge to ultimate authority. Recognizing and praising authority is the biblical meaning of worship. Science claims to judge the truth or not of the Bible. All who claim, teach, and believe this are the man of sin just as all who trust in Jesus are the body of Christ. The truth is, the Supreme Court of the US who rules on morality is essentially lawless. Men have become this world’s God.

    5. Until German-style nationalism was imported into the US by professors taught in the German schools in the late 19th century, the US was a Christian nation. Nationalism (idolatrous patriotism) was deliberately developed to turn Americans hearts from Jesus to the nation. Even Christians worship the Constitution and credit that for their liberty instead of the death of Jesus Christ. These literally worship the beast.

    We can still love our country and not worship the evil government in Washington, D.C. that is responsible for spreading filth and God-hating to all the nations of the world. This Government is corrupt and evil but God is exposing its awful wickedness before the whole world. This is a bi-partisand wickedness.

    6. Better come out of her (this money-driven world) that you do not partake of her adulteries.

    7. Jesus Christ is gathering his people to save them from the punishment he is going to inflict on all those who do not proclaim his name. They willl prosper and flourish as he burns this wicked world just as the church survived the fall of Rome. Except this time, the Lord himself is returning to shine his light on his holy people to be admired by all who believe. (2Thes 1)

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 12, 2019

    Troy Day

    TRUE Philip Williams the righteous shall be raptured to heaven – the sinners left behind in a Tribulation with the devil

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 12, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day remember the tares are taken first, leaving behind the wheat.

    • Troy Day
      Reply July 13, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams we do remember but you well know from exegetical point the 2 dont compare The saints are taken and they are NO tares just for starters – remember the wheat is taken FIRST before the tares and weeds are burnt?

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 13, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day Read your text again!

    • Troy Day
      Reply July 13, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams I did and posted my conclusion above

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 13, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day

      weeds gathered first!

      ““As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.” Matthew‬ ‭13:40-43‬ ‭

    • Troy Day
      Reply July 13, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams you must have not done much farming as it seems 🙂 They gather at the same time – the time of the rapture They are raptured from earth Only difference the grain is taken the weeds are left behind Read on

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 13, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day Read again! the tares are taken. The wheat left behind

    • Troy Day
      Reply July 13, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams Not true – if the wheat is left behind there will be no harvest saved The tares are left on earth The harvest is taken and carefully stored or you it will rot on earth 🙂 Basic lessons from farming my friend You dont labor the harvest just to leave it behind – WHO does that?

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 13, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day

      The angels are removing the tares from the earth just as he removed the wicked from the earth in the days of Noah. Only this time by fire.

      Get it?

    • Troy Day
      Reply July 13, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams Sure – IF the world be set on fire would the church be left to burn with it too 🙂 Get it?

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 13, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day If Noah went through the water, the righteous can go through the fire. Get it?

    • Troy Day
      Reply July 13, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams Noah was TAKEN from the waters in the Ark not s submarine 🙂 Just like the saved souls will be taken in the church at the Rapture You should consult your KY friend on the function of his man built device BTW you are not very Pentecostal if you dont know the meaning of this song Listen closely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyvA2P24Fno

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 13, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day I did consult my friend on how he built his(!) KY Ark. He got his timbers from down under, treated then in Norway, put together by the Amish.

      Now the problem with you AoG is that you didn’t bid this world goodbye when you thought you got saved.

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply July 14, 2019

      Louise Cummings

      Philip Williams That’s at the end of the Thousand year reign. When the rest of the dead rises , that didn’t rise to go in the Rapture before , or at the beginning of the Tribulations. You go to Revelation. It’s along in the last few chapter , that it says the rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years had pass. Then those that died in the Tribulations. Will rise. At the second Coming of the Lord. That will be mostly Jews He is calling His Elect. They are not going to rise and the Lord Carrie them up and come right back down. Because when He comes back to earth. His saints are coming with Him.

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 13, 2019

    Troy Day

    RichardAnna Boyce I like the very detail 7 pointer given by Philip Williams just ABOVE It proves the point that the church need be taken away from the world before it burns up

    if the wheat of he harvest is left behind there will be no harvest saved The tares are left on earth The harvest is taken and carefully stored or you it will rot on earth 🙂 Basic lessons from farming my friend You dont labor the harvest just to leave it behind – WHO does that?

    IF the world be set on fire would the church be left to burn with it too

    of course NOT – and no church will survive the Tribulation

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 13, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day Maybe, the Name of the Lord is no strong tower?

    • Troy Day
      Reply July 13, 2019

      Troy Day

      are YOU Gonna Take A Trip On That Old Gospel Ship https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyvA2P24Fno

    • RichardAnna Boyce
      Reply July 14, 2019

      RichardAnna Boyce

      Troy Day, Luke 19:11-27; 1 Cor 3:14; 2 Cor 5:10; and Rev 22:12 indicate rewards are given according to each believer’s degree of faithfulness to Christ.
      Any believer who at the time of his death (or the Rapture) is denying Christ will be denied by the Lord at the Judgment Seat of Christ; before the Great Tribulation.
      Jesus sets up His kingdom at the Second Coming; after the Great Tribulation.
      The apostles “sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel” in millennial kingdom. Israel will be regathered from the four points of the compass (Matt 24:31) and given an allotment in the land of Israel as an inheritance.
      Great White Throne Judgment; unbelievers (Rev 20:11-14) will be judged to determine their degree of eternal suffering.
      GWTJ “the end of the age” “the Son of Man” will separate the saved wheat from the lost tares. The unsaved will be gathered and “cast…into the furnace of fire” (i.e., hell).
      The saved wheat will be welcomed into the millennial “kingdom of their Father.”

    • RichardAnna Boyce
      Reply July 14, 2019

      RichardAnna Boyce

      Entering into a Rich Experience of Life in God’s Kingdom Now. Matt 13:24-30
      We are being continually challenged to enter into a kingdom way of living now in this life. If works are required to ‘enter the kingdom’ in the future, and it needs to be cleansed of false believers, how does this agree with John’s faith-alone?
      The parable of the Wheat and the Tares starts with Matt 13:24 and goes onto compare the kingdom with the world. It contains sons of evil but also belonged to the Son of Man, which can’t be the day present church. It must refer to the aspect of the kingdom beginning as in Matt 16:27 and Matt 25:31 when Jesus returns and begins His reign after sending angels to gather unbelieving tares out.

  • Steve Losee
    Reply July 13, 2019

    Steve Losee

    there won’t BE a “church”. Individuals will be saved, but no church!

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 13, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Jesus’s church is his congregation of individuals. The gates of Hell will not prevail against his church.

    • Troy Day
      Reply July 13, 2019

      Troy Day

      some people maybe but no church

    • RichardAnna Boyce
      Reply July 13, 2019

      RichardAnna Boyce

      i believe focus will be on dispersed non Messianic Jews worldwide, after the Rapture, which will be the church at that time being taken up.

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 14, 2019

      Philip Williams

      RichardAnna Boyce Nonsense!

      Jesus Christ established his church and the Gates of Hell will not prevail against his church. You are into Dispensationalist nonsense!

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 13, 2019

    Troy Day

    powerful insightful inspiring TRUTH The Word The only true BIblical hope for eternity http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/rapture-vision-2019/

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 13, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day those people he heard screaming are those being taken away in destruction.

    • Troy Day
      Reply July 14, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams You are correct – they are the LEFT BEHIND

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 14, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day Not at all. According to Jesus, these tares are being burned up by fire

      Who on earth survived the Flood in Noah’s day?

      Jesus compared his Second Coming to the Flood of Noah. The earth will again be cleansed of the wicked, this time by fire instead of water.

      But this Left Behind are the righteous who will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of the Father and be admired by those who believe.

    • Troy Day
      Reply July 14, 2019

      Troy Day

      YES the tares left behind will indeed be burned into the lake of eternal fire – Jesus said it himself

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 14, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day The tares aren’t left behind. They are gathered first and then burned.

      If we aren’t going to follow the words of Jesus, aren’t we going to be among the tares?

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 14, 2019

    Troy Day

    No one on earth survived the flood Philip Williams Just like Noah was taken before the wrath of God so shall the church

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 14, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day Shall we replace the Scriptures with a Hollywood fiction?

  • Philip Williams
    Reply July 14, 2019

    Philip Williams

    “When the Lord goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.” Exodus‬ ‭12:23‬ ‭

  • Philip Williams
    Reply July 14, 2019

    Philip Williams

    “When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when you pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze.” Isaiah‬ ‭43:2‬

  • Philip Williams
    Reply July 14, 2019

    Philip Williams

    “There will be wailing in all the vineyards, for I will pass through your midst,” says the Lord.” Amos‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭

  • Philip Williams
    Reply July 14, 2019

    Philip Williams

    “Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord! Why do you long for the day of the Lord? That day will be darkness, not light. It will be as though a man fled from a lion only to meet a bear, as though he entered his house and rested his hand on the wall only to have a snake bite him. Will not the day of the Lord be darkness, not light— pitch-dark, without a ray of brightness? Amos‬ ‭5:18-20‬ ‭

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 14, 2019

    Troy Day

    Great verses Philip Williams and none of them speaks about the Great Tribulation of course Here’s one that actually does

    Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of tribulation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Revelation 3:10

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 14, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day Those Scriptures do very definitely refer to the Coming of the Lord. They specifically say they do, though of course the blood applied at the Exodus is a type of his Salvation.

      And yes, Rev 3:10 does also apply. They are being protected! From what?

  • Philip Williams
    Reply July 14, 2019

    Philip Williams

    This also refers to the Second Coming!

    “God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.”
    ‭‭2 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:6-10‬

  • RichardAnna Boyce
    Reply July 14, 2019

    RichardAnna Boyce

    2 Thessalonians 1:6-10. It is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation [affliction] those who trouble [afflict] believers. The words tribulation and trouble are the noun and verb form of the same root (thlipsis and thlibœ). God also views it as righteous when He gives rest to those who are troubled.

    Because of v 9, many commentators see this tribulation/affliction as referring to eternal condemnation. However, in light of the emphasis on the Rapture and the Tribulation in 1 and 2 Thessalonians, and the reference to the time when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in v 7, this most naturally refers to the Tribulation.

    In light of v 12 the rest (anesis; also 2 Cor 2:13; 7:5; and 8:13 have the only other occurrences of this word in Paul’s epistles) means more than escaping the Tribulation and a cessation of present sufferings. It means ruling with Christ and being glorified together with Him. Present suffering for Christ will result in heightened service for Him in the life to come (cf. Matt 16:24-28; Rom 8:17; 1 Peter 4:13).

    Many take the phrase those who do not know God to be equivalent to those who do not obey the gospel. However, it seems likely that the first phrase refers to unbelievers who have never heard the good news, while the latter refers to those who have heard but have rejected it.

    All believers in one sense have come to know God (cf. Gal 4:9). And since God commands people to believe in His Son (cf. John 5:19-24,37-38; Acts 16:31), to reject Christ is failure to obey the gospel (cf. 1 Peter 2:7-8).

    Unbelievers will experience flaming fire, a reference to the Tribulation wrath, which is God’s vengeance on a world that rejects His beloved Son.

    1:9. Unbelievers shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power. In all but a few occurrences, the word translated everlasting (aiœnion) means unending or eternal. Thus Paul seems to have shifted his gaze from the Tribulation to the eternal fate of unbelievers.

    The preposition translated from can refer to the source of the destruction (coming from the Lord and from His glory), or to the location of the destruction (away from the Lord and His glory). The latter is preferred contextually.

    1:10. By contrast, Christ’s return (when He comes) will be a time when His glory will be on display in His saints. Believers will have glorified bodies (Rom 8:23) and will be sinless in character (Rom 8:30; 1 John 3:2). The Body of Christ will be a great manifestation of the glory of the Lord Jesus.

    The additional expression and to be admired among all those who believe could mean that believers will admire Him. In that case the preposition en, translated among in the NKJV, probably would be better translated “by.” It is parallel to in His saints in the first part of the verse. It is possible that the ones doing the admiring are unfallen angels (1 Peter 1:12). However, the parallelism in the verse makes it more likely that believers will both be the reason why He is glorified and the ones who admire Him.

    The Thessalonians will be among that group because Paul, Silas, and Timothy’s testimony among them was believed. This makes the Thessalonians eligible for royal status in the life to come, the point to which Paul leads.

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 14, 2019

      Philip Williams

      RichardAnna Boyce the gospel is a good deal more simpler and clearer than that.

      All we need do is embrace the truth without flenching.

    • RichardAnna Boyce
      Reply July 14, 2019

      RichardAnna Boyce

      2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 is written to believers; it is not the Gospel for unbelievers.

  • Louise Cummings
    Reply July 14, 2019

    Louise Cummings

    Do you think the left behind series is all correct in the way they explain the Rapture and Tribulations. My grandson , read every book , I’m pretty sure. But the movie part. I don’t know if I agreed with every part. I guess it was just minor parts. It’s been so long., i don’t remember now just what I disagreed on. But every one seemingly was reading them. And it does give a sense of what the Rapture will be like.

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 14, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Louise Cummings

      Perhaps, as in the case of Hal Lindsay’s fictional ‘Late Great Planet Earth,’ a few actually become believers through works of fiction. But I don’t think that is the way the gospel is intended to be preached. To begin, the gospel concerns truth not fiction. If we do that, how are new believers to know the difference between truth and fiction?

      If properly preached, the gospel is interesting enough without the Hollywood imagination that can only degrade it.

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply July 14, 2019

      Louise Cummings

      Philip Williams so true. It might get some thinking , and cause them search it out. But some could be deceived.

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply July 14, 2019

      Louise Cummings

      Philip Williams

    • Louise Cummings
      Reply July 14, 2019

      Louise Cummings

      Philip Williams That’s for sure.

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 14, 2019

    Troy Day

    the RAPTURE is NEAR Philip Williams ready or not

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 14, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day I am only interested in whether Jesus is near. Didn’t he say that he is ‘coming back’(!) to receive us unto himself?

      Why aren’t you interested in his plan for believers in the earth, the earth that the meek will inherit?

    • Troy Day
      Reply July 14, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams Sure but the Pope is obstructing

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 14, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day Pope is blocking God? 🤣

    • Troy Day
      Reply July 15, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams the red scarlet woman riding the beast Who is she but the Catholic church?

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 15, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day No, the scarlet woman is this present money-driven wicked world.

    • Troy Day
      Reply July 15, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams well hold on now – its clearly a RELIGIOUS system the way Revelation describes it It could as well be riding a financial system BUT so does the Catholic church in its history and present even today calling for control over the World Bank http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/pope-calls-for-central-world-bank/

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 15, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day There is already a Central World Bank. Have you never heard of the IMF and World Bank?

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 15, 2019

    Troy Day

    Philip Williams Civilization of money will disappear. The G9 control the world its economy and most of them are sanctioned by the Pope if not non-born again catholics

    We need to understand that the old democracy already dying. In Europe, half of the population does not come to the polls – and not because of political apathy. A huge number of people confused not svoe representation in power I am not against the Parliament, municipal councils, etc.

    You just need to create a new system of representation, new parties and movements. And this movement must come from below, from the bottom. http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/9-people-run-the-world/

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 15, 2019

    Troy Day

    most of these World Leaders Pray to Satan Philip Williams and are determined to fulfill his will on earth holding the Rapture OFF for a bit if they can of course http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/perry-stone-claims-world-leaders-pray-to-satan/

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 15, 2019

    Troy Day

    The Economist’s “The World in 2017” Grim Predictions was a résumé of the esoteric learning of the Egyptians http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-economists-the-world-in-2017-grim-predictions-using-tarot-cards/

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 15, 2019

    Troy Day

    the 2018 NEW WORLD Prophecy was based on this 1988 Title http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/2018-new-world-prophecy-based-on-this-1988-title/

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 15, 2019

      Philip Williams

      The world currency already exists. It is called the US Dollar. These Britons and just jealous that Great Britain no longer controls world trade.

    • Troy Day
      Reply July 15, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams This is correct Proves my point The Church will need to exit via the Rapture ASAP – any day now

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 15, 2019

      Philip Williams

      Troy Day Already time for Pentecostals to exit the world! They should have done that when they claimed to have gotten saved from the world.

    • Troy Day
      Reply July 15, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams TRUE – you are getting there And it will happen The BIBLE makes sure to tell us that much

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 15, 2019

    Troy Day

    Let’s face it Philip Williams Gary Micheal Epping there is a lot happening in the world around us to gain control over the church The anti Christ will be the final step in this global puzzle God is allowing the 7 years of Tribulation of course BUT HE WILL take his church out of it in the rapture because The Great Tribulation is NO time for the church to operate as RichardAnna Boyce has pointed out

    Lets be real – since Michael Brown got involved with the US church the church has weakened especially the AG with rapid decline since the hoax boom in 2017 as we showed with Daniel J Hesse – but for REAL does anyone here believes really that

    he, she, their children, grands and the church they go to are capable of going through 7 years of trial? Come one – such notion is simply unreal Wouldnt you agree – just political correctness alone and taxes and society are jerking the church like never before This church will simply fail under Tribulation http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/how-to-interpret-dr-browns-politicostalim/

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 15, 2019

    Troy Day

    Michael Ellis Carter Jr. there a A FEW ways left for the CHURCH Impacts the Future http://churchinfluence.com/10-ways-the-church-impacts-the-…/
    ChurchInfluence.com
    1. The ability to say NO – politically taken away
    2. Outsider focus – too much of it from the world today
    3. Quick decision making – not there anymore
    4. Flexibility – church is fat and lazy
    5. A willingness to embrace smaller to become bigger – yeah right MEGA mentality is on the rise again
    6. A quicker, lighter footprint – not for a fat church
    7. An openness to questions – just ask a catholic bishop about child abuse to see openness of any kind 🙂

    SO how is such church ready to pass Tribulation? All it does is passing gas eating burgers coke and fast food sermons from Joel or some other easy going TV star – Survive the Tribulation? – maybe in another world or age Tell me another one Philip Williams

    • Philip Williams
      Reply July 15, 2019

      Philip Williams

      The church will impact the world when it becomes a light apart from the world,

    • Troy Day
      Reply July 15, 2019

      Troy Day

      Philip Williams that is ONLY in the Rapture and changing world AFTER the rapture upon returning WITH the Lord – Church cant do it without a physical resurrected Christ present as Angel Ruiz has shown us this to be a major NAR failure

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 15, 2019

    Troy Day

    Russell Moore rightly asked President Trump: Now What For the Church? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/russell-moore-to-president-trump-now-what-for-the-church/

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 15, 2019

    Troy Day

    Russell Moore rightly asked President Trump: Now What For the Church? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/russell-moore-to-president-trump-now-what-for-the-church/

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 15, 2019

    Troy Day

    RichardAnna Boyce Megachurch pastor Jentezen Franklin, a member of President Donald Trump’s evangelical advisory council, slammed Trump’s recent comments about immigration after the president reportedly called them shameful names http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/pastor-jentezen-franklin-on-president-trump/

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 15, 2019

    Troy Day

    RichardAnna Boyce Megachurch pastor Jentezen Franklin, a member of President Donald Trump’s evangelical advisory council, slammed Trump’s recent comments about immigration after the president reportedly called them shameful names http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/pastor-jentezen-franklin-on-president-trump/

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 15, 2019

    Troy Day

    William DeArteaga has rightly pointed us to CT articles asking: WILL MOST EVANGELICALS VOTE TRUMP, BUT NOT FOR TRUMP in 2020 – is SO what is the CHURCH got to do with the WORLD? Aint it time for the Rapture to take us away from this mess? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/christianity-today-is-asking-will-most-evangelicals-vote-trump-but-not-for-trump/

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 15, 2019

    Troy Day

    Robert Erwine has said some things we cant agree with but calling on Christian character and witness has not been one of them Our witness is GONE Just this week Vice President Mike Pence’s defense of his administration’s detention camps was criticized so heavily on Saturday that the hashtag #FakeChristian trended nationwide on Twitter. https://www.rawstory.com/2019/07/mike-pence-labeled-a-fake-christian-for-defending-inhumane-conditions-at-trumps-concentration-camps/

  • Philip Williams
    Reply July 15, 2019

    Philip Williams

    Governing is difficult and most Christians have too little experience with these kind of things to make such judgments. Our focus instead ought to be on the church and those who claim to lead and teach the church.

  • RichardAnna Boyce
    Reply July 15, 2019

    RichardAnna Boyce

    Revelation 3:9-13
    A valid reason to place the first part of v 10 with v 9 is that, in his writings, the Apostle John seldom began a sentence (only 6 percent of the time) with the word because (hoti). Over 90 percent of the time the apostle states an effect first: e.g., “Then a great multitude followed Him…” followed by the clause “…because they saw His signs which He performed…” (John 6:2). In light of the fact that John rarely began sentences with the word because, a more accurate translation here would read: “Indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you because you have kept My command to persevere.”

    Connecting these two verses fits well with the biblical teaching that Christ expresses His love in special ways toward believers who obey Him and take a stand for Him (cf. John 14:21-24). In Rev 3:8, Christ had just commended this church for obeying His word and now He is rewarding them because they obeyed His command to persevere. They would not give up even when their enemies were relentless. “The synagogue of Satan” refers to Jews who were antagonistic to Christianity (see also comments on Rev 2:9).

    3:10 b. Christ promises His people that He will “keep (deliver) them from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.” The hour of trial refers to a time of trouble that the entire Roman world would undergo in the readers’ lifetimes. That it is not referring to the Tribulation Period is clear as all Church-Age believers will be protected from that hour (via the Rapture). Here Jesus assures the obedient believers in Philadelphia that they would have His protection during this time of turmoil sent to trouble “those who dwell on the earth” (i.e., the unsaved; cf. 6:10; 11:10; 13:14; 14:6; 17:8).

    3:11. Christ reminds His people that He is “coming quickly” (soon; see comments on Rev 1:1). Therefore they are to “hold fast” to their obedience and perseverance right up to the end (cf. 2:26). To give up on following Christ because of persecution and opposition is to allow the enemies of Christ to “take your crown,” that is, to allow them to cause you to forfeit the ultimate eternal reward of ruling with Christ forever in His kingdom (cf. 2 Tim 2:12-13). Eternal life is a free gift and cannot be lost but the reward of ruling with Christ forever requires faithfulness to the end (cf. 2:10).

    3:12-13. Christ promises several different eternal rewards for the believer who overcomes (see comments on Rev 2:7). The believer who has been faithful to the end will become “a pillar in the temple of His God.” Since in eternity the Father and the Son will be the temple (cf. 21:22), this reward is probably an especially wonderful experience of nearness to God as well as a key position of support and prominence in God’s eternal kingdom. Second, the phrase “he shall go out no more” refers to the permanence of these rewards. Once these positions of honor and authority are given to the overcomer, they shall never be rescinded. He is securely set as a “pillar” in Christ’s eternal kingdom and as such will never be separated from this special relationship to God.

    Also Christ “will write on him” God’s name and “the name of” God’s eternal city, “the New Jerusalem” as well as His own “new name.” It is unlikely that these will be literal tattoos; instead they are representative of the blessings the overcomer will enjoy as God identifies them as people who served Him faithfully on earth. The honor God confers on the overcomer in eternity will be as wonderful and real as if God Himself inscribed a literal mark on him that reads: “This is My beloved servant in whom I am well pleased” followed by His autograph. Since faithful believers openly confessed the name of Christ throughout their lives (cf. 3:8), Christ will identify them as His victorious ones forever.

  • Troy Day
    Reply July 15, 2019

    Troy Day

    The Rapture of the Church by Christ to take place before the terrible seven-year Tribulation period occurs.
    In my time upon this earth spanning 8 decades, there has never been a “stranger” period of time compared to the current time, and especially over the last 4- 5 years in America. Having the advantage of observing human events over an extended period of time from a Christian, Bible-based perspective, makes it easier to understand the ‘big picture’ of events taking place around the world in the societal, cultural, political, religious, economic and moral realms of human interaction.
    The stupefying, nonsensical, irrational, deceptive, evil, and just plain jaw dropping crazy behavior of international and national leaders and organizations, coupled with similar behavior by the general populations of various nations is all indicative of Satan’s demonic, diabolical involvement and influence in human affairs leading up to the time of the Rapture. Are you ready, PERHAPS TODAY!

  • Louise Cummings
    Reply July 15, 2019

    Louise Cummings

    I pray every day , for the Lord search my heart. And forgive any wrong. Maybe not not in those same words , every time. But I sure want my calling and election sure.

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