John Kissinger [08/04/2015 10:30 AM] Jonathan Downie so are you now backing out from your initial statement that the information is not true? The names of the couple are: Josh Canfield and Reed Kelly, they will marry in 2016. Both are Hillsong choir singers. Canfield is the choir director. http://standupforthetruth.com/2015/08/hillsong-worship-leader-announces-his-upcoming-homosexual-marriage/
Charles Page [08/04/2015 10:31 AM] course Jonathan nor David had custom made jeans anyway!!!
John Kissinger [08/04/2015 10:34 AM] Jonathan Downie The story has nothing to do with Brian in Australia. Christianity Today confirms the position of Hillsong NYC lead pastor http://www.christiantoday.com/article/hillsong.new.york.pastor.carl.lentz.we.have.a.lot.of.gay.men.and.women.in.our.church.and.i.pray.we.always.do/37918.htm
Jonathan Downie [08/04/2015 10:36 AM] I absolutely wish more churches were open to gay people, gamblers, pimps, prostitutes, tax men, theives, philanderers etc. It is only in receiving the love of God, not the judgment of people that anyone changes. I would say that Ps Houston’s stand is incredibly wise in the circumstances.
Charles Page [08/04/2015 10:36 AM] are all effeminate men gay?
John Kissinger [08/04/2015 10:37 AM] Jonathan Downie are you saying that openly gay people should hold lead church positions as in the cited news story?
Jonathan Downie [08/04/2015 10:43 AM] Not my call. I would not even begin to presume to tell a pastor, whom God has called, what he or she should be doing. That is up to their leadership. I would like to point out that Jesus kept Judas as a disciple, even when He knew what was happening to the common purse. Might there be a differentiation between different positions in leadership? Just thinking out loud.
I truly believe that the more we stand in criticism over other churches and presume to make ourselves their Judge, the less we allow for God to rule His Church while clouding our witness. God sets up leadership structures for a reason and is well able to tell the wheat from the tares. Until then, we have our own salvations to work out with fear and trembling. And with that, I am leaving and unfollowing this unedifying discussion.
John Kissinger [08/04/2015 10:44 AM] don’t have a dog in this fight – just wanted to make sure the story was true. I think that we can agree now that it is true and reported correctly as John Ruffle already stated
Jonathan Downie [08/04/2015 11:13 AM] And for the record: http://hillsong.com/media-releases/hillsong-church-statement-by-senior-pastor-brian-houston/
So, actually, it was kind of true but twisted. One should never impugne an elder or another pastor unless we use clear Biblical principles while doing so.
Charles Page [08/04/2015 11:22 AM] we are wrestling against homophobia in high dark places! Eph 6:12
John Kissinger [08/04/2015 12:02 PM] Jonathan Downie Is this clear enough Biblical principle or another translation is needed? “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination” (Leviticus 18:22)
This was thoroughly repudiated when brought to light by Hillsong leadership – it is dumb to post again the old beginning of the story without the conclusion of the matter
Tim Anderson This is not a site or page but a group and there’s a difference in handling different internet entities. Tim Anderson I think it was John Ruffle who already run a full chronology and proved the news was very real. John can tell you it is not a gossip, not a rumor, not a smear. Brian just did not have a clue it was going on under his nose. Once it came out public, a cover was run to control the story. It is funny to get an all Tim response 🙂 Now waiting for Timothy Carter
The reason for the repost was to show Jim Price that homosexuality in the church is no harmless love between two meek people and it has a very long term and very painful effect on the Christian church. The two Hillsong choir individuals from the picture are Josh Canfield and Reed Kelly. They are a proudly support the LGBT Agenda and are planning their wedding in 2016. They feel no conviction of any kind for the lifestyle they lead, and yet, shockingly, they are allowed to lead the worship choir during church services. Has the church failed to minister to them?
I never said that they were in the church nor that a gay lifestyle was harmless. I only said that they were meek and never acted like the hoodlums we see in Genesis 19.
Well, personally I think we should start interceding that God will rain fire and brimstone down on every Hillsong Church — and every church that uses Hillsong music — just to show that he doesn’t approve of homosexuality.
Let the facts speak for themselves:
Timeline, Clarification and Statement on the Hillsong gay choir director:
1. In January of 2015, Hillsong NYC Church had an openly-out gay church member leading choir and also sing on their worship team
2. Josh Canfield was leading Hillsong worship choir, with his “fiance” Russ Kelly also singing in the choir
3. Canfield’s story was published in multiple reputable sources like the New York Times and CNN
4. There are no published statements to the contrary disputing Josh Canfield’s choir leadership for that period of time
5. HillSong’s position now (august 2015) is that Josh Canfield was a choir leader, but they were “unaware” of his openly gay relationship
6. Although Josh Canfield’s Twitter (@joshuacanfield) has a picture of both of the #BroadwayFiances dated 1:03 PM – 23 Jul 2015
7. Josh Canfield, in an interview with Playbill.com, said this: “I became truthful with my church. I’m a part of Hillsong NYC. I’m one of their choir directors. I also sing on their Worship team. They’ve been amazing as well. Nothing has changed there now that I’m completely out and with Reed. He sings in the choir as well. http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/timeline-clarification-and-statement-on-the-hillsong-gay-choir-director/
Stan Wayne
This was thoroughly repudiated when brought to light by Hillsong leadership – it is dumb to post again the old beginning of the story without the conclusion of the matter
Tim Renneberg
Old “news”
Tim Renneberg
http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/in-the-line-of-fire/50900-hillsong-homosexuality-internet-rumors-and-spiritual-clarity
Tim Anderson
Would hope the Administrators of this site would practice some discernment, this “news” gossip has been debunked….
Varnel Watson
Tim Anderson This is not a site or page but a group and there’s a difference in handling different internet entities. Tim Anderson I think it was John Ruffle who already run a full chronology and proved the news was very real. John can tell you it is not a gossip, not a rumor, not a smear. Brian just did not have a clue it was going on under his nose. Once it came out public, a cover was run to control the story. It is funny to get an all Tim response 🙂 Now waiting for Timothy Carter
Tim Anderson
it’s a distraction from the purpose of the gospel. I will not waste valuable time by playing “gotcha”. Best wishes!!
Varnel Watson
Pls review this chronology on the story prepared by John Ruffle before making anymore harsh conclusions. http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/timeline-clarification-and-statement-on-the-hillsong-gay-choir-director/
The reason for the repost was to show Jim Price that homosexuality in the church is no harmless love between two meek people and it has a very long term and very painful effect on the Christian church. The two Hillsong choir individuals from the picture are Josh Canfield and Reed Kelly. They are a proudly support the LGBT Agenda and are planning their wedding in 2016. They feel no conviction of any kind for the lifestyle they lead, and yet, shockingly, they are allowed to lead the worship choir during church services. Has the church failed to minister to them?
Jim Price
I never said that they were in the church nor that a gay lifestyle was harmless. I only said that they were meek and never acted like the hoodlums we see in Genesis 19.
Tim Renneberg
As the blogger writes, the only thing worse than a false story is a partial one. Far be it for “repudible” media outlets to run with a story that may lead to a scandal. http://jonathanmerritt.religionnews.com/2015/08/10/why-survivors-broadway-boyfriends-will-keep-singing-with-hillsong-church/
Ben Wilson
Well, personally I think we should start interceding that God will rain fire and brimstone down on every Hillsong Church — and every church that uses Hillsong music — just to show that he doesn’t approve of homosexuality.
Lee Hall-Perkins
Let’s be careful to call for fire amd brimstone. It might hit you instead.
Tim Renneberg
Well that’s one option. As a musician, I hope there is another option
Varnel Watson
Let the facts speak for themselves:
Timeline, Clarification and Statement on the Hillsong gay choir director:
1. In January of 2015, Hillsong NYC Church had an openly-out gay church member leading choir and also sing on their worship team
2. Josh Canfield was leading Hillsong worship choir, with his “fiance” Russ Kelly also singing in the choir
3. Canfield’s story was published in multiple reputable sources like the New York Times and CNN
4. There are no published statements to the contrary disputing Josh Canfield’s choir leadership for that period of time
5. HillSong’s position now (august 2015) is that Josh Canfield was a choir leader, but they were “unaware” of his openly gay relationship
6. Although Josh Canfield’s Twitter (@joshuacanfield) has a picture of both of the #BroadwayFiances dated 1:03 PM – 23 Jul 2015
7. Josh Canfield, in an interview with Playbill.com, said this: “I became truthful with my church. I’m a part of Hillsong NYC. I’m one of their choir directors. I also sing on their Worship team. They’ve been amazing as well. Nothing has changed there now that I’m completely out and with Reed. He sings in the choir as well. http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/timeline-clarification-and-statement-on-the-hillsong-gay-choir-director/
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