Holiness is NOT Quiet

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After a doubleheader revival few weeks ago I hear this guy condemning loud preaching and HOW the church has done it wrong for 100yrs and got in the face of ppl with loud preaching and thats why now ppl dont wanna come to church but we are gonna change this mistake of the century and not do loud evangelistic preaching no more in the face of the people So I am thinking – how about scripture for that AND 1pet 3 15 is mentioned from some odd version that has it wrongly translated as Quietly trust yourself to Christ and so on

SO I go to my pocket Greek and sure enough says ἁγιάσατε clearly – nothing about quite or trusting 🙂 or any of that sort Sanctify plane and simple In  some contemp. versions to see which one had anything about quite b/c as far as I know sanctification could be loud

NIV – revere not close but still OK
NLT – worship
some others regard, reverence, honor, exalt and so on

NET Bible
But set Christ apart as Lord in your hearts – misses the point by using ENglish contextual translation I know the translators and set apart is NOT sanctify

Aramaic Bible in Plain English has it bEST
But hallow THE LORD JEHOVAH The Messiah in your hearts
hallow it is again nothing quite and completely misses the point and NOT to mention changes the BIBLE to prove someones point but not GODs – the very problem of these so called BIBLES

 

New International Version
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,

New Living Translation
Instead, you must worship Christ as Lord of your life. And if someone asks about your hope as a believer, always be ready to explain it.

English Standard Version
but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,

Berean Study Bible
But in your hearts sanctify Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give a defense to everyone who asks you the reason for the hope that you have. But respond with gentleness and respect,

Berean Literal Bible
But in your hearts sanctify Christ as Lord, always ready for a defense to everyone asking you an account concerning the hope in you; yet with gentleness and fear,

New American Standard Bible
but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;

New King James Version
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;

King James Bible
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to givean answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Christian Standard Bible
but in your hearts regard Christ the Lord as holy, ready at any time to give a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you.

Contemporary English Version
Honor Christ and let him be the Lord of your life. Always be ready to give an answer when someone asks you about your hope.

Good News Translation
But have reverence for Christ in your hearts, and honor him as Lord. Be ready at all times to answer anyone who asks you to explain the hope you have in you,

Holman Christian Standard Bible
but honor the Messiah as Lord in your hearts. Always be ready to give a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you.

International Standard Version
Instead, exalt the Messiah” as Lord in your lives. Always be prepared to give a defense to everyone who asks you to explain the hope you have.

NET Bible
But set Christ apart as Lord in your hearts and always be ready to give an answer to anyone who asks about the hope you possess.

New Heart English Bible
But sanctify in your hearts Christ as Lord; and always be ready to give an answer to everyone who asks you a reason concerning the hope that is in you, yet with humility and fear:

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But hallow THE LORD JEHOVAH The Messiah in your hearts, and be ready to return a defense to everyone who requests a statement from you about the hope of your faith, in meekness and in reverence,

GOD’S WORD® Translation
But dedicate your lives to Christ as Lord. Always be ready to defend your confidence [in God] when anyone asks you to explain it. However, make your defense with gentleness and respect.

New American Standard 1977
but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;

Jubilee Bible 2000
but sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and be ready always to respond to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and reverence,

King James 2000 Bible
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

American King James Version
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

American Standard Version
but sanctify in your hearts Christ as Lord: being ready always to give answer to every man that asketh you a reason concerning the hope that is in you, yet with meekness and fear:

Douay-Rheims Bible
But sanctify the Lord Christ in your hearts, being ready always to satisfy every one that asketh you a reason of that hope which is in you.

Darby Bible Translation
but sanctify [the] Lord the Christ in your hearts, and [be] always prepared to [give] an answer [to] every one that asks you to give an account of the hope that [is] in you, but with meekness and fear;

English Revised Version
but sanctify in your hearts Christ as Lord: being ready always to give answer to every man that asketh you a reason concerning the hope that is in you, yet with meekness and fear:

Webster’s Bible Translation
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear.

Weymouth New Testament
but in your hearts consecrate Christ as Lord, being always ready to make your defence to any one who asks from you a reason for the hope which you cherish.

World English Bible
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts; and always be ready to give an answer to everyone who asks you a reason concerning the hope that is in you, with humility and fear:

Young’s Literal Translation
and the Lord God sanctify in your hearts. And be ready always for defence to every one who is asking of you an account concerning the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;

 

A MOTION for a PENTECOSTAL EMOTION

If there was a New Bapticostal Edition [NuBE] of the Bible, Acts 2 would have read like this:

2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind [causing no obvious change in the disciples who sat there in silence without any wonder of what that may be]

came from heaven [where Jesus had just gone, so nor emotional surprise there either]

and filled the whole house where they were sitting [but they were of no fear, trembling or any other emotion – yeah, right ]

3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire [but still their stone faces showed no emotion]

that separated and came to rest on each of them [causing absolutely no emotional distress to any of them]

4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit [but no external change occurred as they clearly possessed power to control this might move of God]

and began to speak in other tongues[a] [but now shouting, crying, laughing, screaming, jumping, leaping]

as the Spirit enabled them. [yet they left the place in the same emotional state they arrived – not a thing changed]

Symeon the New Theologian reportedly cried, groaned, whaled and spoke in tongues, all done with no obvious emotion

Early Quakers prayed and jumped. George Fox said they trembled (quaked) at the name of God and the name stuck with them but hardly any emotion there either

Russian Mollokans were known to pray on their knees until the Spirit power fell on them and speaking in tongues to move across the room back and forth on their knees crying to God

Some Mollokans called Leapers were known to jump while showing no emotion at all

Other Mollokans calls Tryassuny (from Russian “to shake”) shook under the Spirit in a completely composed manner

During the Wales revival people without seeing any emotions in the converts, all drinking pubs in many cities closed down for good

NOTE: none of them have seen anything even remotely to African worship in order to imitate it. But they have seen the power of GOD…

Also there 1801 Cane Ridge, KY revival – a true Appalachian religion much alike the early Church of God; many in trans on the floors, some even barking like dogs

Maria Woodworth-Etter’s crusades were mocked by newspapers nationwide probably for not having any emotions in them

“Though glossolalia and divine healing became the pivotal experiential doctrines in the AG, prophecy, miracles and demonic exorcisms were also part and parcel of the Pentecostal package. More controversial were the strange physical manifestations that generated the pejorative label “Holy Rollers” ascribed by outsiders to Pentecostal believers who sometimes fell in a faint to the floor, jumped pews, violently jerked and shook, laughed, barked or rolled in the aisles under the alleged influence of the Holy Spirit [quote from AG General Council, while all these with absolutely no emotion among the AG folks wither]

Even Catholic today get slain in the Spirit after receiving prayer from priests like Fernando Suarez, but consistently show no emotion about any of this

And last but not least, the book “Pentecostal Spirituality: A Passion for the Kingdom,” starting with ch. 4 sums up all of the above as “Apocalyptic affection,” without which Pentecostalism simply cannot exist as itself.

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If there was a New Bapticostal Edition [NuBE] of the Bible, Acts 2 would have read like this:

2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind [causing no obvious change in the disciples who sat there in silence without any wonder of what that may be]

came from heaven [where Jesus had just gone, so nor emotional surprise there either]

and filled the whole house where they were sitting [but they were of no fear, trembling or any other emotion – yeah, right ]

3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire [but still their stone faces showed no emotion]

that separated and came to rest on each of them [causing absolutely no emotional distress to any of them]

4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit [but no external change occurred as they clearly possessed power to control this might move of God]

and began to speak in other tongues[a] [but now shouting, crying, laughing, screaming, jumping, leaping]

as the Spirit enabled them. [yet they left the place in the same emotional state they arrived – not a thing changed]

Symeon the New Theologian reportedly cried, groaned, whaled and spoke in tongues, all done with no obvious emotion

Early Quakers prayed and jumped. George Fox said they trembled (quaked) at the name of God and the name stuck with them but hardly any emotion there either

Russian Mollokans were known to pray on their knees until the Spirit power fell on them and speaking in tongues to move across the room back and forth on their knees crying to God

Some Mollokans called Leapers were known to jump while showing no emotion at all

Other Mollokans calls Tryassuny (from Russian “to shake”) shook under the Spirit in a completely composed manner

During the Wales revival people without seeing any emotions in the converts, all drinking pubs in many cities closed down for good

NOTE: none of them have seen anything even remotely to African worship in order to imitate it. But they have seen the power of GOD…

Also there 1801 Cane Ridge, KY revival – a true Appalachian religion much alike the early Church of God; many in trans on the floors, some even barking like dogs

Maria Woodworth-Etter’s crusades were mocked by newspapers nationwide probably for not having any emotions in them

“Though glossolalia and divine healing became the pivotal experiential doctrines in the AG, prophecy, miracles and demonic exorcisms were also part and parcel of the Pentecostal package. More controversial were the strange physical manifestations that generated the pejorative label “Holy Rollers” ascribed by outsiders to Pentecostal believers who sometimes fell in a faint to the floor, jumped pews, violently jerked and shook, laughed, barked or rolled in the aisles under the alleged influence of the Holy Spirit [quote from AG General Council, while all these with absolutely no emotion among the AG folks wither]

Even Catholic today get slain in the Spirit after receiving prayer from priests like Fernando Suarez, but consistently show no emotion about any of this

And last but not least, the book “Pentecostal Spirituality: A Passion for the Kingdom,” starting with ch. 4 sums up all of the above as “Apocalyptic affection,” without which Pentecostalism simply cannot exist as itself.”

28 Comments

  • RichardAnna Boyce
    Reply October 9, 2019

    RichardAnna Boyce

    Sanctification battle is in the mind, which follows what one believes. …..1 Peter 3:15 Rather than being intimidated, Christians who face persecution for righteous living are to respond positively. The command to sanctify the Lord God in your hearts talks about one’s mindset or attitude. Believers avoid being troubled or intimidated by having the right perspective (Col 3:1-4).

    But believers are not to be silent sufferers! They are to be ready and willing to verbalize their faith and give a defense to everyone who asks. This defense is an apology, an explanation that includes reasons. Peter’s assumption is that if believers have the right perspective people will want to know why they are reacting the way they are. Their response of faith will cause people to ask questions, and believers are to explain the hope they have.

    • Troy Day
      Reply October 9, 2019

      Troy Day

      your views RichardAnna Boyce is pure gnosticism We cannot separate the flesh from the mind Sanctification MUST BE in the flesh too OR we are note ENTIRELY sanctified

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 10, 2019

    Troy Day

    Ed Boardman what is a baptist like you clowning around in a Pentecostal group for? Are you looking to be bapticostal – – what is your take on ENTIRE sanctification as 2nd work of grace?

  • Ed Boardman
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Ed Boardman

    Odd why would I want fall into a cult

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Troy Day

    Ed Boardman if bapticostalism is a cult what are you doing in it right now?

  • Ed Boardman
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Ed Boardman

    Sorry , have you seen my wall , looked at my public figure page

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Troy Day

    Ed Boardman WHY do we need to do that? I asked you about holiness sanctification as 2nd work of grace here. Can you not speak of yourself ?

  • Ed Boardman
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Ed Boardman

    2nd work of grace, was the first work didn’t work

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Troy Day

    Ed Boardman are you saying once saved always saved and no further work by God is needed?

  • Ed Boardman
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Ed Boardman

    Osas believing , KJV only, ifb preacher, pretrib, rapture ready , dispensatiolist

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Troy Day

    Unmerited favor is a good definition of grace between two people, but a poor definition of the Grace of God. Unmerited favor is a act of kindness done from one to another, but to reduce the Covenant of God, the purchase of our salvation, to just a simple act of kindness is to belittle the great atoning work of Christ upon the Cross, why? Because it is so much more then just a act of kindness, Grace is the very power that allows God to reside with His people.

    Even Catholic today get slain in the Spirit after receiving prayer from priests like Fernando Suarez, but consistently show no emotion about any of this

    And last but not least, the book “Pentecostal Spirituality: A Passion for the Kingdom,” starting with ch. 4 sums up all of the above as “Apocalyptic affection,” without which Pentecostalism simply cannot exist as itself.”

  • Ed Boardman
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Ed Boardman

    Wigglesworth would be proud of his heresy doctrine still alive, kinda funny you look before him Pentecostalism was not mentioned in church history or in the Gospels

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Troy Day

    The person and work of the Holy Spirit have a significant role in the theological thought of John Wesley. That role is primarily redemptive, and it is therefore interwoven in Wesley’s doctrine of salvation, which was the chief burden of his more than fifty years of evangelism.[1] The two great poles of his doctrine of salvation were justification and sanctification, and the experiential basis of his thought is the soil out of which grew his deep concern with the work of the Holy Spirit.[2] For Wesley, every doctrine of the Christian faith is centered in the context of vital Christian experience in which the Holy Spirit is a key factor. The Trinitarian basis is apparent, for it was the office of Jesus Christ to reveal the Heavenly Father and thus make possible our salvation by His life and death, and in turn it is the office of the Holy Spirit to reveal the Son to sinful man and administer His atoning work in his soul. Hence, Wesley’s theology is Christoscentric and the person of Christ is essential to every other doctrine. The administrative role of the Holy Spirit in relation to the work of Christ makes it imperative to have a proper understanding of the work of the Holy Spirit in Wesley’s thought.

  • Ed Boardman
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Ed Boardman

    Wesley never left Rome, taught works salvation

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Troy Day

    Both wrong Ed Boardman Wesley was Anglican – Anglicans left Rome with Henry VIII Wesley taught no works but grace alone You seem to be highly mistaken or clearly unfamiliar what the subject. Pentecostalism is what some might call the forgotten legacy of John Wesley. In nearly 100 years the movement has become the fastest growing body of Christians on the face of the planet. Pentecostalism is growing at a rate of 13 million a year, 35,000 a day, and has nearly a half billion followers. It is the second largest Christian group after Roman Catholicism. There are Pentecostals in almost every denomination and every part of the world. The largest Protestant church in the world is a Pentecostal church in Korea, the Yoido Full Gospel Church, which has over 240,000 in weekly attendance. All of this would not have been possible without their theological and ministerial connection to John Wesley. This article will attempt to briefly discuss the historical development of Pentecostalism by making a special application of John Wesley’s contribution.

    There has been a lot of research that has shown the connection between the Wesleyan-holiness movement and Pentecostalism. 1 Much of this research has attempted to show that John Wesley is the grandfather of Pentecostalism.2 Wesley placed a strong emphasis on the person and work of the Holy Spirit. He believed that the Spirit played a unique role in entire sanctification. Wesley’s doctrine of Christian perfection was crucial to the theological roots of Pentecostalism. It was the idea of a second work of grace (sanctification) that opened the door for theological discussion about the possibilities of a third work of grace: the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

  • Ed Boardman
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Ed Boardman

    Odd your foundation isn’t Jesus but on man made religion

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Troy Day

    Shortly after his memorial sermon, “On the Death of George Whitefield,” preached on November 18, 1770, Wesley entered into a unique alliance with John Fletcher that shifted the direction of Methodist history. Fletcher placed a strong emphasis on the role of the Holy Spirit in Christian perfection. He used Pentecostal language to describe the Spirit’s work with phrases such as “baptized with the Spirit” and “filled with the Spirit.”

    Wesley took his stand with Augustine, Luther, and Calvin in his insistence that man is totally corrupt by nature, and as a consequence is subject to the judgment and wrath of God. But to these somber facts he adds another principle, namely, the free gift of God’s grace which he called preventing or prevenient grace, imparted to all men as a first, unconditional benefit of the atonement, not in the sense of regeneration, but as the spirit of awakening and conviction. For Wesley, God’s prevenient grace, which goes before salvation, is related to the activity of the Holy Spirit.

    For allowing that all the souls of men are dead in sin by nature, this excuses none, seeing there is no man that is in a state of mere nature; there is no man, unless he has quenched the Spirit [Italics mine], that is wholly void of the grace of God. No man living is entirely destitute of what is vulgarly called natural conscience. But this is not natural: It is more properly termed, preventing grace. Every man has a greater or less measure of this, which waiteth not for the call of man

  • Ed Boardman
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Ed Boardman

    https://www.challies.com/articles/where-did-all-this-pentecostalism-come-from/
    Where Did All This Pentecostalism Come From? – Tim Challies

  • Ed Boardman
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Ed Boardman

    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/strange1.htm
    THE STRANGE HISTORY OF PENTECOSTALISM

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Troy Day

    Ed Boardman pls dont spam my topic on holiness with questionable links that dont work – whats the point? Can you not speak of yourself

  • Ed Boardman
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Ed Boardman

    https://www.wayoflife.org/database/pentecostaltongues.html
    Pentecostal-Charismatic Tongues Vs. the Bible

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 11, 2019

    Troy Day

    Ed Boardman has GOD ever sanctified your or are you still living in sin?

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