BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS

BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS
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Jerry Eicher I said the sinners prayer when I got saved, but I have to admit that brother Paul does make some good points.
Troy DayTroy Day But does make any theological sense? Confessing sins is the very foundation of being protestant Evangelical since Luther? Washer negates the very foundation of the Reformation sola fide? Not to mention the ministry and the legacy of Billy Graham and many other evangelist. How else would one be saved? Street Preacherz would such claim reflect on the pelegian heresy supported by some in this group? Walter Polasik
Joe Absher It is a very practical point. I don’t think anyone should take the liberty to convince someone they are saved. It might be as simple as “packaging” I often pray with people to get right with God. Something like, God I’m sorry for the things I’ve done wrong. I accept the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross for my sin. I don’t want to sin any more. I want to do the right thing. Please help me.” Along those lines a few times. If they are in their right mind. Not everyone is willing to admit wrong doing. Or repent, turn from sin, and ask God for help, and trust in Jesus Christ. I don’t think it’s wrong to get a man praying and confessing sin and asking God for help in Jesus name. Obviously there is much more to living a life that is pleasing to God and honors God than a single prayer but it is a start. Sometimes there is new birth sometimes they get a miracle. The spirit that was dead in sin comes alive to God by faith in Jesus Christ, they are born again. But at no time do I ever give the impression that’s all there is. I think Paul washer has a valid point. Doesn’t mean we stop praying with people asking God to help them turn from sin and trust wholly in the Lamb of God.These can be tough waters to navigate. Praying with men. Has to happen. In matters of the heart and soul and conscience of a man we must trust God and Jesus Christ. He doeth all things well. Planting and watering. I don’t think anyone should be an evangelist that isn’t willing to stand before God with blood on their hands.
Troy DayTroy Day How can one be saved without prayer? Jerry Eicher
Jerry Eicher I never said that people get saved without prayer. What we have though is a lot of people who said a prayer, and there isn’t any evidence that anything happened. When I got said, the next day after I prayed the sinners prayer, I felt a change. I read the Gospel of John that was given to me. The next week I saw the guy who led me to Christ. I told him that I had read the Gospel of John. He said, “You did?” paused for half a second, and said, “Oh, I have something else I would like to give you.” It was shortly have that he gave me an NIV Bible, and I read through the New Testament in about 4 or 5 months. And, I wanted to live a life pleasing to God.  Most people just say that there was a time and a place where they prayed the sinner’s prayer, and that’s all there is to there testimony. Ray Comfort does a good job of explaining things in his messages: “Hell’s Best Kept Secret” and “True and False Conversion.” People can find these messages on YouTube if they are interested.
Troy DayTroy Day My point is these false preachers claim that how we believe is more important than what we believe. The Progressive types are getting to be just as nauseating as their conservative fundamentalist counterparts. I suspect this is the case because these progressives were once conservative fundamentalists themselves.
Jerry Eicher There’s nothing wrong with the prayer. The problem is that many people think that they have assurance simply because they said a prayer. I know I got saved when I did not because I said a prayer but because that’s when God came into my life and started working in my life.
Troy DayTroy Day Is this what Washer says? Isnt he eternal security ?
Friar Rodney Burnap This man is anti Pentecostal. .. .he is also a Calvinist…
Troy DayTroy Day Friar I;ve been trying to tell this for a while HOWEVER he astrays from hyper calvinism it seams because includes works. He does have a video or two talking about recognizing charismtics but I dont think he really knows enough about Pentecostalism to be able to make a sound judgment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqOqciJ85PA
Troy DayTroy Day Isn’t this what a Calvinist teach you don’t make a decision it’s predestined for you ….saying a prayer of repentance doesn’t matter if your not one of God’s e·lect – yap yet Washer diviates from Calvinism some
Walter Polasik Troy Day: If, as I suspect, Paul Washer basically operates under “Reformed Theology” then he probably doesn’t believe that the New Birth is a one-time, definite-moment experience. Instead, Reformed usually talk about salvation as a PROCESS. This would greatly explain why Washer is against the sinner’s prayer. Also, on the subject of the Holy Spirit, he’s testified to having several experiences but won’t go so far as admitting tongues are for today. In this sphere he wants to “have his cake and eat it too”.
Friar Rodney Burnap Yes and Calvinism is not what a Pentecostal. ..is all about…he is also very anti Pentecostal.
Friar Rodney Burnap https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10205075613529921&id=1830882061
Troy DayTroy Day Friar Your attachment cannot be seen because of your privacy settings. What do you think about Washer’s view on holy living whereas Calvinism rejects free will and sanctification as second work of grace?
Friar Rodney Burnap https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10208617572916692&id=1830882061
James L Alldredge There is no biblical example of a “sinner’s prayer” unless one refers to the moneylender who was looked down upon by the Pharisee who beat his chest and cried “God be merciful to me a sinner”. When Peter was asked “What must we do to be saved?” His response was not repeat after me…
Friar Rodney Burnap Isn’t this what a Calvinist teach you don’t make a decision it’s predestined for you ….saying a prayer of repentance doesn’t matter if your not one of God’s e·lect…I believe in Whosoever Will you make a decision and pray a prayer of repentance. .. .Romans 10:9-10…I am not a calvinist… I prayed and I asked Jesus to be the Lord of My Life. . . in prayer. 1John 1:9 (70×7) I am Sanctified I am being Sanctified and I will be Sanctified in the end. Them that endure to the end the same shall be saved. . .Matthew 24:13 A. Admit your a sinner…and your need for a saver. B. Believe Jesus die for your sins…take Jesus by faith to be your Lord and Savior C.Confess your sins and forsake them. . .Whosoever Will!SalvationWhat is the sinner’s prayer?The sinners prayer is a Christian term for a prayer that is said when someone wants to repent of their sin, ask God for forgiveness and state belief in the life, death, and saving resurrection of Jesus Christ. Romans 10:9-10 says that “if you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.  For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.” Millions have come to a saving relationship with Jesus Christ through church services, friends, and family leading them in a salvation prayer.  However it is not words in a prayer that save. Jesus Christ alone has the power to save through faith. J.D Greerer explains it well – “It’s not the prayer that saves; it’s the repentance and faith behind the prayer that lays hold of salvation. My concern is that over-emphasizing the prayer has often (though unintentionally) obscured the primary instruments for laying hold of salvation: repentance and faith.”The four examples below of the sinners prayer can help you communicate with God that you repent of your sin, accept His forgiveness, and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.The Sinner’s Prayer (by Dr. Ray Pritchard)Lord Jesus, for too long I’ve kept you out of my life. I know that I am a sinner and that I cannot save myself. No longer will I close the door when I hear you knocking. By faith I gratefully receive your gift of salvation. I am ready to trust you as my Lord and Savior. Thank you, Lord Jesus, for coming to earth. I believe you are the Son of God who died on the cross for my sins and rose from the dead on the third day. Thank you for bearing my sins and giving me the gift of eternal life. I believe your words are true. Come into my heart, Lord Jesus, and be my Savior. Amen.If you have prayed this prayer in sincere faith, you may want to put your initials by the prayer along with today’s date as a reminder that you have come to Christ in faith, trusting him as your Lord and Savior.Sinner’s Prayer From Scripture – (Psalm 51, King David)“Have mercy on me, O God,according to Your unfailing love;according to Your great compassionblot out my transgressions.Wash away all my iniquityand cleanse me from my sin.For I know my transgressions,and my sin is always before me.Against You, You only, have I sinnedand done what is evil in Your sight,so that You are proved right when You speakand justified when You judge.Surely I have been a sinner from birth,sinful from the time my mother conceived me…Cleanse me with hyssop, and I will be clean;wash me and I will be whiter than snow…Create in me a pure heart, O God,and renew a steadfast spirit within me.Do not cast me from Your presenceor take Your Holy Spirit from me.Restore to me the joy of Your salvationand grant me a willing spirit to sustain me.Then will I teach transgressors Your ways,and sinners will turn back to You.salvation sinner prayerThe Sinners Prayer (by John Barnett)The following prayer expresses the desire to transfer trust to Christ alone for eternal salvation. If its words speak of your own heart’s desire, praying them can be the link that will connect you to God.Dear God, I know that I am a sinner and there is nothing that I can do to save myself. I confess my complete helplessness to forgive my own sin or to work my way to heaven. At this moment I trust Christ alone as the One who bore my sin when He died on the cross. I believe that He did all that will ever be necessary for me to stand in your holy presence. I thank you that Christ was raised from the dead as a guarantee of my own resurrection. As best as I can, I now transfer my trust to Him. I am grateful that He has promised to receive me despite my many sins and failures. Father, I take you at your word. I thank you that I can face death now that you are my Savior. Thank you for the assurance that you will walk with me through the deep valley. Thank you for hearing this prayer. In Jesus’ Name. Amen.
Troy DayTroy Day James L Alldredge There is Paul in Romans – with a mouth confesses We call this an example of sinners prayer from the Bible
James L Alldredge Salvation is not a matter what we pray but rather how we live, the modern concept of a “making a decision” for Christ is foreign to the New Testament. One was to “bring forth the fruits” of salvation, namely, repentance from sin and faith toward God that manifested in a “newness of life”. Salvation is an internal regeneration of the soul and spirit that manifests outwardly in becoming like Christ, hence the name “Christian”. Paul’s admonition to confess with the mouth the Lord Jesus Christ is not a call to pray but rather to declare openly to all that He is Lord…
Troy DayTroy Day Now that here is true pelegianism Street Preacherz If it was by our life and works we’d still be in sins
James L Alldredge Not our “life and works” but His life and works, not pelegianism, just New Testament truth. No one in the New Testament would have understood salvation to be possible without a fundamental change of life
Troy DayTroy Day Actually you said “Salvation is …a matter … rather how we live” I beg to differ and so do all protestant evangelicals
James L Alldredge To tell someone that all they have to do to be saved is to pray a canned prayer is spiritual malpractice.
Troy DayTroy Day Paul said it – believe and confess
James L Alldredge Any salvation that does not manifest in a changed life is not worth preaching
Troy DayTroy Day That is not what you said above… but oh well
James L Alldredge You can be as disingenuous as you like, but all protestant evangelicals who read this would recognize that I am referring to the effect of salvation not the means, there is no way to judge the sincerity of a “sinner’s prayer” but by the effect it produces in the person’s life
Troy DayTroy Day James L Alldredge So because you wrote something that does not fit any evangelical theology, now you call me names?
James L Alldredge What name brother? I called you nothing, I identified the little twist of meaning you used is all. As a matter of record you implied I was teaching pelegianism which is offensive to me but I decided not to take it personally. It is easy to get defensive when one’s cherished traditions are challenged. But to set your mind at ease I believe salvation is by grace through faith and not of works, I just don’t see any biblical support for the “sinner’s prayer” as it is currently applied in the evangelical world.
Troy DayTroy Day You used the word “disingenuous” I am sorry but I do not resort to name calling. Thank you for your comments
James L Alldredge Disingenuous is not name, it is a description of the act of deliberately misconstruing or misrepresenting the views of another, which is what you did. You could have simply asked for clarification of what I meant instead of resorting to the charge of heresy which would have avoided the whole issue. But since I gave offense I apologize and ask your forgiveness, I in no way wish to offend anyone and will diligently try to be clearer in conveying my meaning in the future…peace
Friar Rodney Burnap Sinner’s Prayer From Scripture – (Psalm 51, King David)“Have mercy on me, O God,according to Your unfailing love;according to Your great compassionblot out my transgressions.Wash away all my iniquityand cleanse me from my sin.For I know my transgressions,and my sin is always before me.Against You, You only, have I sinnedand done what is evil in Your sight,so that You are proved right when You speakand justified when You judge.Surely I have been a sinner from birth,sinful from the time my mother conceived me…Cleanse me with hyssop, and I will be clean;wash me and I will be whiter than snow…Create in me a pure heart, O God,and renew a steadfast spirit within me.Do not cast me from Your presenceor take Your Holy Spirit from me.Restore to me the joy of Your salvationand grant me a willing spirit to sustain me.Then will I teach transgressors Your ways,and sinners will turn back to You.salvation sinner prayerThe Sinners Prayer (by John Barnett)The following prayer expresses the desire to transfer trust to Christ alone for eternal salvation. If its words speak of your own heart’s desire, praying them can be the link that will connect you to God.Dear God, I know that I am a sinner and there is nothing that I can do to save myself. I confess my complete helplessness to forgive my own sin or to work my way to heaven. At this moment I trust Christ alone as the One who bore my sin when He died on the cross. I believe that He did all that will ever be necessary for me to stand in your holy presence. I thank you that Christ was raised from the dead as a guarantee of my own resurrection. As best as I can, I now transfer my trust to Him. I am grateful that He has promised to receive me despite my many sins and failures. Father, I take you at your word. I thank you that I can face death now that you are my Savior. Thank you for the assurance that you will walk with me through the deep valley. Thank you for hearing this prayer. In Jesus’ Name. Amen.
Troy DayTroy Day A Biblical example of “sinner’s prayer” from Romans 10:10 â–ºFor it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
Friar Rodney Burnap However it is not words in a prayer that save. Jesus Christ alone has the power to save through faith. J.D Greerer explains it well – “It’s not the prayer that saves; it’s the repentance and faith behind the prayer that lays hold of salvation.
Jerome Herrick Weymouth TBN says over 38 million have prayed the sinner’s prayer since 1974. I know 2 pastors who said the sinner’s prayer watching TBN and are now involved in Gods work. Now here comes the hate comments about TBN.
Troy DayTroy Day A Biblical example of  “sinner’s prayer”  from Romans 10:10 â–ºFor it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
Friar Rodney Burnap https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10208617572916692&id=1830882061
Friar Rodney Burnap https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10208600387407065&id=1830882061
Friar Rodney Burnap Yes he is anti Pentecostal
Troy DayTroy Day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwcTVm3JaSY
Walter Polasik Troy Day: I’ve had the opportunity to listen to several Paul Washer sermons, and on this topic as well. His “good points” about the singer’s prayer is that often-times a zealous evangelist will walk a potential convert through it rather quickly, have him pray it so that he can say, “You’re saved!” and add another mark to his soul-winning tally. Washer’s point is not that the singer’s prayer is invalid but that rushing a person to that point without really explaining the Gospel to them may result in a momentary agreement but not a true New Birth. From what I’ve heard, that’s what Washer is preaching against. On the negative side, it also has to be said that some of these preachers who only preach “Jeremiads”  really run out of topics to rail against after a while and so begin to find problems where none had existed before. Fundamentalists and anti-Pentecostals have a problem with the altar-call. Also they don’t like emotionally involved worship. The litany continues.
Troy DayTroy Day Walter Polasik as usual you make whole lot of sense…
Timothy K. Wiebe I had to block a guy yesterday, who continually tagged me in posts and videos claiming that the Apostle Paul was a false prophet. Had any of you heard this before?
Troy DayTroy Day Paul Washer is an apostle now?
Jerry Eicher God came into my life in a powerfull way after I said the sinner’s prayer. I was hungry for the Word, and I read through the NT in about 4 months. When we got baptised, we had an opportunity to tell people what God did and was doing in our lives. Nowadays at bapisms there is little or no testimony given; it’s just a religious ceremony where people get wet. It’s not the sinner’s prayer that saves us. We are saved by God when he comes into our lives and transforms us into new creatures.
Isara Mo When was Paul Washer ” born again”?I wish he could say that….that he heard a sermon.and was so pierced in his heart and fell down  crying because he was sinner and repented!I have used the sinners prayer.(and will continue to do so) with new converts…and have seen God work and walk with these people..who had prayed” Lord Jesus come into my heart..be my Lord and Saviour….”The jailor asked what should i do to be saved?..Believe in.the Lord Jesus was the answer…Did Cornelius shed tears after Peters message of peace….Phillip preached the message of the kingdom in Samaria and the name of the Lord and people were saved….including Simon the sorcerer….Were they ” pierced” to the heart  as the first 3000 converts at Peters first preaching?You cant war on the ” sinners prayer” ….every one has their convertion experiences… Paul Washer has a standard measure…Wrong..very wrong.The robber at the cross who was with Jesus had a  chat with Jesus and whoosh….Jesus told him they would be together…in HEAVEN..These preachers….mmh
Troy DayTroy Day Isara Mo tell us more about this. I have caught him with bad theology on HSB and sanctification but not on born again. He is a left Calvinist
Isara Mo Troy i  have listened to a few of his sermons but dont know much about him..But as you say he has some bad theology especially of intimidating people wirh hell  or hell fire…No amount  of a preachers shrieks or shouting can make a sinning man repent….or bevome holy only Gods grace and mercy.Paul Washer shrieks a lot..
Troy DayTroy Day whats this new thing he is doing with hillsong – is it fake news?
Troy DayTroy Day Jerome Herrick Weymouth good stats – TBN source for that please. Lately their numbers have been very trumpetized

2 Comments

  • RichardAnna Boyce
    Reply June 15, 2019

    RichardAnna Boyce

    CONTINUOUS FAITH IS NOT IN VIEW IN JN 3:16
    & IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE SAVED. Neither is a sinner’s prayer.

    “WHOEVER BELIEVES” IS A NOMINATIVE PRESENT PARTICIPLE PORTRAYING A SINGLE MOMENT OF BELIEVING AND NOT A CONTINUOUS ONE.

  • Troy Day
    Reply June 15, 2019

    Troy Day

    true that William DeArteaga

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