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Do you have to know the demon’s name in order to cast it out?
Glynn Brown [08/14/2015 9:03 AM]
No.in fact some claim that it prolongs the exorcism
John Kissinger [08/14/2015 9:11 AM]
This is interesting. Can you copy a link to read more about it? I’ve read that it speeds it up. Without a name you’re just guessing
Joe Collins [08/14/2015 11:21 AM]
No. I’m cast many demons out without knowing their names.
God didn’t try to talk to them when he and the disciples casted them out, so why should i?
John Kissinger [08/14/2015 11:22 AM]
So how does this go practically? I cast out demon of … ?!?
Joe Collins [08/14/2015 11:23 AM]
Also knowing it’s name doesn’t stop it from doing anything in the future. Its only the power of the blood that has anything to do with it.
Thinking that knowing it’s name to stop it in the future is a form of witchcraft in which they believe that by knowing it’s name it They have the ability to control it
Joe Collins [08/14/2015 11:25 AM]
You don’t. I can see that you haven’t casted any demons out of anyone yet?
Its really simple. You make sure you are living right and prayed up. Then you demand the demon to leave in the name of Jesus.
It then leaves.
John Kissinger [08/14/2015 11:26 AM]
🙂 been doing it 25yrs. but so much for your gift of discernment
Joe Collins [08/14/2015 11:26 AM]
Where is this picture from, by the way?
Varnel Watson
oh thats just wrong Ray E Horton Robert Borders
Ray E Horton
Troy Day What’s just wrong
Varnel Watson
FB auto placed police lights picture on this post This is just wrong when you read the title of OP
Jared Cheshire
WOW
Joe Absher
The optimist
Varnel Watson
looking great there partner
Joe Absher
No RSVP
Joe Absher
I wish had a dime. maybe I could buy a dozen of those preachers you keep talking about
RichardAnna Boyce
all you need is to preach believe in Jesus as your personal Savior to be guaranteed eternal life, and when person believes in the GOOD NEWS the demon cant live in same body as Holy Spirit
Varnel Watson
says who? Robert Borders
Link Hudson
I do not agree. I believe we need to preach the Gospel as described in the Bible, which includes the death of Christ and His resurrection. This seems a minority view among Pentecsotals if we go only by the content of sermons and altar calls these days.
Can there be sin in the same body as the Holy Spirit? Can a Christian sin?
Robert Borders
The vast majority of deliverance ministries work with Christians. There are several churches that practice mass deliverance at each service.
Varnel Watson
namely?
RichardAnna Boyce
Robert Borders surely believers are already delivered the moment they are born again and receive Holy Spirit, as demons cant live in same body as HS.
Varnel Watson
several churches that practice mass deliverance
which ones exactly? Robert Borders
Robert Borders
RichardAnna Boyce I don’t want to argue and typically would never refer who a person who needed deliverance to a traditional Pentecostal church or pastor due to that reasoning. I have referred a lot of people to Catholic and Mennonite deliverance ministers so that people can get help.
Robert Borders
Troy Day I can think of the church in Hammond, IN and a large church in Chicago as two of the better known churches that provide sacks to attendees to barf up demons. I used to see a lot of mass deliverance meetings in the 1970s with teachers such as Don Basham and Derek Prince.
Link Hudson
Robert Borders The idea that demons come out with vomit, and then offering comit bags can set people up to vomit without anything supernatural going on. The word for ‘spirit’ means ‘wind.’ I’m glad people who cast out evil spirits/winds haven’t made a doctrine out of the ‘evil wind’ thing.
I’d imagine the vomit deliverance meetings stink. Can you imagine what an evil wind deliverance meeting would smell like?
I suppose vomiting can be more easily induced psychologically or by smelling other people doing it than the wind thing. They’d have to eat beans or cabbage or something.
RichardAnna Boyce
Robert Borders surely we refer demonised to Jesus who delivers them when they are born again?
Varnel Watson
I think we’ve shared with Link Hudson and Robert Borders stories of missionaries where God revealed to them the names
Tim Dalton
Troy are you upset that I kept to scriptural integrity about all the speculations over the word of wisdom. I will keep to scriptural integrity with this passage as well — 32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you. Ephesians 4 – May the Lord richly bless you
Varnel Watson
Why would anyone be upset if you really kept the Scripture? Have you ever seen Word of Wisdom operating?
Tim Dalton
Troy Day – well the way you spoke about me for one. Some people, when corrected, hold grudges instead of handling things like a christian should. It is just pride. I was seeing if you had something against me? – Reread what I wrote about not having a definition. Perhaps you can give a scriptural definition on the word of wisdom and not just wisdom. The word of wisdom as mentioned in 1 Corinthians is what I think we are discussing.
Tim Dalton
here is what I can tell about the word of wisdom using the bible as the source. 1 Cor. 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;—-1. The Spirit gives this gift out. 2 We know it is a Godly gift and is real. 3. We know the Spirit gives it out to people . So it is a real gift. I just don’t see the scripture detailing what it is. Thus it is open to human assumption, guesswork, conjecture. That often leads to error.
Varnel Watson
So are you saying you’ve seen it in action?
Tim Dalton
Troy Day – Now why would I say that if I told you that it isn’t defined. Read my conclusions and don’t put words in my mouth. God bless.
Varnel Watson
how is asking a question putting words in your mouth? you dont portray good Christian character here
Isara Mo
It is important to know the name(s) of the demon for it will give you the ” personality” of the dude…especially when the devil refuses to live..depart from ” his” house.
It is more effective and practical to address the demon by ” name” during deliverance rarher than cast out them blindly…
We all.know that they are ” unclean” spirits but i think when we address them.by names…(and they have names really) we become more precise.
In normal life if you find a group of ten people lets say ten men and you shout at them ” hey men” you wont get a good response compared to when you call out a specific name eg ” Hey Mr .Troy…”
Varnel Watson
Isara have you seen word of wisdom in action?
Isara Mo
Troy i have seen it but i have some reservations about the ” spirits” behind these words of wisdom..
Divulging of hidden information or facts is an area which the devil is also an expert especially where divination is concerned: the duviding line is so thin.
I know and have witnessed GENUINE word of wisdom in action and in fact i have personally (on a few occasions ” seen it” in action during deliverance…
May i ask why do you ask that
Isara Mo
Isara Mo Yes, God can reveal sth hidden to his servant but He also wants the servant to LEARN some things by himself.
Jesus was fully man and fully God and there are numerous examples whereby in His ministry He used word of wisdom but in many instances Jesus asked questions from those he was ministering to get information.
He used the word of wisdom during his encounter with the Samaritan woman (about her five husbands) but he used normal interogation to get the names of the demons at the Gadarenes.
Varnel Watson
Thank you for your sharing
Varnel Watson
when calling someone out sure helps to call them out by name Robert Borders Link Hudson has called it tagging 🙂
Link Hudson
It’s a bit annoying at times on a thread that doesn’t interest an individual. But let’s say you had posted against spousal abuse, and I wrote, “Men should not beat their wives Troy Day” to get your attention to join the thread, people might get the wrong idea.
I didn’t invent the ‘tagging’ terminology. If that isn’t Facebook’s term for it, other people use it.
Varnel Watson
Demons have to be called out though they may be annoyed. Jesus did not care very much about annoying them but did send them into the pigs It;’s in the HOLY BIBLE
Louise Cummings
No Matthew 17:18–a man’s son was an epileptic. Often fall into the fire and often into water. The disciples couldn’t cure him. They brought him to Jesus. AndJesus rebuked the demon , and it came out.
Varnel Watson
yes JESUS knew how to call the demon out
Louise Cummings
I wasn’t finished. It posted. I can’t find where I was writing. In Mark 5: 9- verse 8, Jesus said to him , Come outof the man, unclean spirit!! Then He ask him,What is your name? And he answered , saying , My name is Legion, for we are many. (I gave one occasion where Jesus didn’t ask the name. And one. Where Jesus did ask the name. Although they are not typed together , like I meant for it to be. My phones a little. It jumps. I couldn’t find where I wrote the first one.
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Varnel Watson
Jesus called him by the name “unclean spirit”
Louise Cummings
In Mark 5:8. He said unclean spirit. All demons are unclean. I wouldn’t call that being a name. He didn’t ask his name I Mark 5;8–9. In verse 9. He ask his name. In verse 8!! He just said unclean spirit, come out of the man. I would have thought all demons was unclean. But He am His Name in verse 9!!
Louise Cummings
In Matthew 17:18. The first one I answered. It says Jesus rebuked the demon. And it came out. That is where I said Jesus didn’t ask a name. The Bible said Jesus rebuked the demon and it came out the same hour. Maybe Jesus always called the name but in this place it doesn’t sound like. It sounded like they already what was wrong with him.
Louise Cummings
I will listen to some else after this. But I would think you would have to call them a foul Spirit or unclean spirit. To cast them out. My opinion. I need to hear your thoughts or someone’s on this.
Joe Absher
I thank you for this question. I’ve been thinking on this very thing. We had quite the case on the street Saturday. Some good preaching broke him up pretty good. He was really out of it. He was just released from some hospital. A brother spoke with and bought him something to eat. Another brother took him down the “Romans road” o believe he was sincere. Then he layed down and started manifesting rage and something very ungodly. Another brother tried to get a name. He got “Jehosaphat” so I don’t think that was very helpful. His wristband said Merlin which wasn’t very helpful either. I think it was a fake name. Devils are known liars anyhow.
But we broke the power of the devil in Jesus name. It was kind obvious drugs were involved so that’s witchcraft, the occult, one young brother first time preaching just went after it and wouldn’t stop. Maybe there was a half dozen Christian’s praying by now. Everybody was done and pretty tired but everybody stuck with it. Even your’s truly. After about a half hour he popped out of it and says “I feel so free” so we got him to start calling on Jesus his mercy to save and mighty power to heal and deliver. I can’t tell you the specifis anymore than that. But I think it was the the brother that wouldn’t quit. He must have been a bapticostal you know how they get with they get the holy ghost. But I believe he was genuinely saved. We’ll have to follow up of course. Some one knows where lives.
I don’t think this answers the question but maybe it will help. Just keep praying and don’t quit, like Jesus taught in the story “Importunate Widow” that would be my best advice.
Varnel Watson
Joe Absher maybe time to put that reference list out after all
Joe Absher
Divine appointment. Met with the brother he’s into some heavey things but I believe the Lord will continue his good work in the heart and mind of this man. Jesus is mighty to save.
Varnel Watson
what about divine disappointment?
Joe Absher
God afflicts a man according to his need
Joe Absher
You mean verses?
Joe Absher
Luke 10:1 KJV — After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
The best I know is Luke. Deliverance isn’t just for the apostles but for the discples also. First the twelve then the 70.
Varnel Watson
I meant the list of deliverance prayers Joe Absher Now Robert Borders I have not followed much of Don Basham but Derek Prince is spot on on most of his stuff. If you mean Win Worley he is great; John’s church however is not that big anymore Oh well… 🙂
Joe Absher
“Help me Jesus” is my favorite.
Varnel Watson
It’s all about becoming a people of God
Joe Absher
Jesus paid a great price, an awful beating, a painful death. but he got it done. It is finished. My Redeemer lives! O glory
Varnel Watson
He sure did Does this mean there is a need to know the demons name when casting it out?
Joe Absher
Are people getting free? Free to pray and worship and believe in Jesus Christ. The Saviour.
Varnel Watson
So do you have to know or you dont have to know?
Louise Cummings
No.
Varnel Watson
why not?
Louise Cummings
I commented on the answer before. I didn’t push the blue arrow. I can’t find it now I hope I didn’t lose it.
Bruce Gordon
We have taken care of many anonymous ones. We don’t talk to them.
Varnel Watson
sure thing – but Jesus asked them
Bruce Gordon
Yes, quite true, a god reason not to be dogmatic one way or the other.
Darryl Forbes
No. I have no interest in knowing the name of any demon. When Jesus asked the demonic his name, he was talking to the MAN, the demons jumped into the conversation. And Jesus cast them out. I don’t think Paul and Silas were on a first name basis with the demon they cast out either.
Varnel Watson
Mk 5:9 Jesus asked the demon,
“What is your name?”
He said, “My name is Many, for there are many of us.”
10 The demons asked Jesus …
Darryl Forbes
Troy Day I stand corrected. I misread it and misapplied the pronoun “him”. But I do notice that he had ALREADY commanded the demon to come out. Jesus had already established FULL in control of this interaction in that the demons recognized that this was the one who had ALREADY destined them for torment. They cried out before he even said a word. Also in THIS case there seems to be a purpose to asking the name . Even though a name was given, There were actually MANY demons present in this man. The interaction lets us know just how tormented this man was and that no matter how many demons were present, Jesus still had FULL power over them. To my knowledge, this is the only time recorded where the demon’s name was asked.
Varnel Watson
Darryl Forbes you are NOT incorrect in your conclusion BUT There is this very basic thing in the NT where demons were called by name in order to come out
Darryl Forbes
I’ve seen people try to get a demons name before the demon was even brought under subjection.
Varnel Watson
Darryl Forbes now thats the other side of the story
Isara Mo
Not really but it makes the job easier
Varnel Watson
sure does but MOST preachers dont want this job
Isara Mo
Troy Day
That explains why most churches and pulpits are filled with orators rather than soldiers..
I don’t know how many times the word ENEMY has been used in scripture to divulge the gravity of the believers situation but surely there is no rapport between enemy and believer…
To avoid the confrontation most preachers turn to oratory…
Varnel Watson
Isara Mo oh WOW the FB demon removed the thumb from this post so we have NO picture memory of it
Jerry Nelson
You don’t analyze demons out. You don’t counsel them out. You cast them out by the authority of Jesus name and by the power of the Great Commissioner. Jesus said, these signs shall follow them that believe so if you believe you can then you can!
Blessings ??
Varnel Watson
TRUE but Jesus named them in the process of casting out So shall we do as Jesus did? Isara Mo
Darryl Forbes
Troy Day We have one example where a Jesus asked the demon’s name. Other times he didn’t. We have an example where Paul and Silas didn’t. So there’s no DOCTRINE on this. The only name that’s ALWAYS required when casting out demons is JESUS. Jesus said that in “…My name they shall cast out Devils…”
Varnel Watson
Darryl Forbes oh no no no 🙂 what about Rev 2-3 How many examples are there? And demons named like Jezebel and others No we dont have ONE example – do I need to paste the verses so you read them again?
Why do you ask for the demon’s name?
The Ritual requires it, for a specific purpose. Naming something, or knowing its name, means having power over that thing. In fact, God gives Adam the power to name things. At the instant that the demon reveals his name, it shows that he has been weakened; if he doesn’t say it, he is still strong.
Darryl Forbes
Troy Day again, that’s not a teaching. That seems to be a case by case situation. They weren’t always named. We need to be careful about making rules where there are none. SOMETIMES they were Named. SOMETIMES they weren’t. We need to simply leave it at that. He SAID we’d cast them out in HIS name. That’s the only RULE. If a God leads us to make them reveal their name, do it. If he leads us to simply cast them out , do it. That’s all.
Varnel Watson
Darryl Forbes why is it NOT a teaching WHEN JESUS did it?
Darryl Forbes
Troy Day because he nor his disciples did it every time. They did it sometimes.
George Hartwell
I do what I call ‘Gentle Deliverance’ and it follows the healing of memories: ‘Inner Healing means the healing of emotions. It means prayers for healing can be done for our emotional issues as well as our physical issues.
Our ‘flesh’ is all the memories laid down through our life in which the perspective embedded in the memory is not God’s perspective. Inner Healing is the process of redeeming our memories to that God’s perspective replaces that of the old man, flesh, childhood.
Christian Inner Healing is a professional practice that aligns with the psychology of memory reconsolidation – permanent change of emotional learning. It differs from other forms of psychotherapy because Prayer for Jesus to be Lord come early in the process and listening for God’s truth is central to the process.
Deliverance is a minor outcome of full, complete and permanent healing of the memory. After the Inner Healing there is no stronghold – no place the demon can hang on to – and a very quiet simple prayer completes the process.’ No name needed. No exorcism needed. That is the different path that I am on.
Varnel Watson
George Hartwell As soon as we posted this someone claiming to be an Inner Healing Practitioner – whatever that is said J.D. King has told them to contact us about the oil leaking BIBLE Made no sense so we looked closer into it – this was last december I think NOW would someone PLEASE tell me what is this new thing / gift called
an Inner Healing Practitioner ???
George Hartwell
Counsellors, therapists, psychiatrists and psychotherapists help people by talking with them about their personal and emotional problems. I am a registered psychotherapist who also uses prayer as part of the therapy. Inner healing means prayer for healing of emotions. We now know that healing of emotional issues means healing of memories. We now know that the essential key to that is the belief or perspective integrated into the memory. Once that is identified and with the memory in an active state one can transform the core belief. In Christian Inner Healing this is done with listening prayer in order to receive the revelation from God of God’s truth.
Varnel Watson
George Hartwell but what is the Inner Healing Practitioner ?