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PENTECOSTALS still hold PRE-MILLENNIAL eschatology
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Varnel Watson
I do believe this to be still the truth Gary Micheal Epping
Gary Micheal Epping
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Gary Micheal Epping
A majority of evangelical leaders believe that Jesus Christ will return to earth and then reign with his followers for 1,000 years, a new survey shows.
This end times theology is called premillennialism and 65 percent of surveyed evangelical leaders identify with it.
Premillennialists disagree on the timing of the rapture, whether Christians will rise and join Jesus during or after the tribulation period – which comes before the return of Christ. https://www.christianpost.com/news/poll-what-evangelical-leaders-believe-about-the-end-times.html
Varnel Watson
now evangelical is NOT the same as Pentecostal
Gary Micheal Epping
Troy Day I think they are both Christians. Doesn’t hurt to get out of the box every now and then. If you check it, it confirms what you said in the OP>
Varnel Watson
I;ve foudn the NAR agenda to be much more than just getting out of the box if you ask me
Gary Micheal Epping
Fighting some imaginary bogey man is a good reason to hide out in your box? At least address some real enemies like the strange fire proposed by John MacAutthor. Overall, the AOG stance is probably the best among modern denominations, but it has flaws that need to be addressed. Staying in the box will not help change them.
Varnel Watson
Michael Brown says NAR never existed – really
Gary Micheal Epping
The PEW polls have no category called NAR. They do have one called “Renewalist,” which is used as an umbrella term throughout reports to refer to pentecostals and charismatics as a group.
Varnel Watson
“Renewalist” is no NAR or not only NAR
Gary Micheal Epping
So, now we have a ‘rapture index’ to tell us the likelihood of it happening this year. Trending down since 2015. https://www.raptureready.com/rapture-ready-index/
Varnel Watson
this been there for quite longer than 2015
Varnel Watson
Gary Micheal Epping Why imaginary bogey man ? The post has very serious series of quotes to prove a very real point
J.D. King
While premillennialism is still the majority view, particularly among Classical Pentecostals, there is movement away from that position. Dispensational premillennialism, in particular, is being rejected. Many are turning toward historic premillennialism or what some call “hopeful premillennialism.” Some of this is evidence in the forthcoming book by Michael Brown and Craig Keener. https://www.amazon.com/Not-Afraid-Antichrist-Believe-Pre-Tribulation-ebook/dp/B07F3F9576
Varnel Watson
I for one cant believe Keener partnering with Brown BUT I do see how the current political agenda is being pressed on American Pentecostals YET I’ll fly away to glory…
J.D. King
Others are outright embracing amillennialism and postmillennialism. This is particularly evident in the theological journey of younger leaders. I would expect these shifts to be more prominent in the years to come.
Varnel Watson
this is TRUE Dr. King – amil comes from NAR who masks it with post-mil claiming it was Luther Calvin and Augustine when even a child knows Augustine was a-mil
Varnel Watson
WELL where do we go from here? Gary Micheal Epping Terry Wiles
Gary Micheal Epping
Troy Day Got me. I initially posted in agreement with the OP that most Pentecostals hold to a pre millennial eschatology. The poll I presented showed that evangelical leaders in general are in agreement with that same position with 65%. Only 13% were amillennialists, 4% postmillennial , and 17% other or no position. So, we are are back to the OP point of most Pentecostals adhere to a pre millennial eschatology. BUT, the poll does not clarify the timing of the Rapture.
Varnel Watson
65% is barely a majority nowadays as it seems
Gary Micheal Epping
I agree. What is puzzling is that the second highest percentage is other.
Varnel Watson
other in theology means WHATever basically
Brian Roden
65% is almost 2/3, which is a significant majority, especially when the next-largest group is only 1/5 that (13×5=65).
Gary Micheal Epping
I have searched and find no poll that breaks down the Pentecostal position other than the one above indicating 65% are pre millennial eschatology. The only one I found was among protestant pastors in 2016.
Varnel Watson
made by LifeWay which is BAPTIST Michael Ellis Carter Jr.
Gary Micheal Epping
Troy Day Yes I know. As I said, I found no similar poll of pentecostals that breaks the pre millennial eschatology down to this level. At least you can see what is going on with other christian groups. May or may not be similar to the AOG.
Varnel Watson
So pentecostal stats dont come too often on PEW I’ve seen them more often in the Lilly Foundation publications
Michael Ellis Carter Jr.
Troy Day were you shocked by any of the answers
Varnel Watson
I am never shocked by LifeWay just sad
Gary Micheal Epping
In regard to the LifeWay study, John McConnell said, “The big picture of Revelation is clear: Jesus returns, people must be ready, evil is defeated,” he said. “With the rest of the details, there is room for disagreement.”