DEATH of DENOMINATIONS: Are denominations Biblical?

Posted by John Ruffle in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post

Are denominations Biblical? If so, where do we see them as nadated by God in the NT, and if not, how can the existence of them today among Bible-following Christian groups be justified? Finally what proposals can be made to remedy the current situation in Christendom?

John Kissinger [01/31/2016 7:41 AM]
John Ruffle not sure if you were around when we discussed the DEATH of DENOMINATIONS with Terry Wiles Tell us what you think after you read it http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/death-of-denominations/

John Ruffle [02/01/2016 2:06 AM]
I notice no one seems to want to engage in my question. It might cut a little too close to the bone maybe? Pastors who make their living from a “tythe” and who would loose their livelihood if they came “out” of their denomination have indeed life changing choices to make. But it’s worth it if it means following our Lord’s leading. Many protestant pastors have lost materially when they returned to the Catholic Church. I’d already lost everything many years before. My prayer is that those whom the Holy Spirit is speaking to – and I am convinced that their are some, possibly lurkers here- will have the courage to come out of the confusion that Martin Luther launched. Yes – the Catholic Church needed renewal – but the way St Francis did it before him – not the divisive manner of Luther.

Corey Forsyth [02/01/2016 8:49 AM]
In the strictest sense, I do not see anything in the NT upholding denominations. However, I do see examples of NT leaders keeping each other accountable. In that regard, denominations are a good thing. My opinion is that without denominations, we would have a lot more issue with rogue pastors grossly distorting the Gospel.
I am not well versed in the history of denominations but I would hope that the structure or concept pf denominations started with the same idea as Paul guiding the different churches as described through the NT.

Carolyn Parker [02/01/2016 1:10 PM]
Carolyn Parker I was to a Reviival one night anda singing group got up to sing in the song they were singing said there wasn’t going to be no denominations in heaven I saw people get up and walk out we are all going to be one

52 Comments

  • Street Preacherz
    Reply October 16, 2017

    Street Preacherz

    Denominations are nice. It’s like a franchise. There is some variation but you know what you’re going to get. Churches that are not ‘aligned’ can have more freedom but can get off track with doctrine or worse licentiousness.
    I always say the church will taken on the character of the pastor. If he’s kind, honors God loves people isnt ashamed to get on the floor and pray the congregation will grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord. If the pastor is mean and stingy the people will be cold and heartless. Generally speaking of course…

  • Paul Hughes
    Reply October 19, 2017

    Paul Hughes

    Biblical denominations are those which faithfully preach and teach God’s Word and practice the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. Others which go off on a tangent into false doctrine, leaving their “first love,” replacing sound doctrine with doctrines of men, must be rejected.

  • Troy Day
    Reply October 19, 2017

    Troy Day

    Paul Hughes This is not even what the “Death of Denominations” article in The Progressive Christian Nov/Dec 2008 is about

    Anglican Communion suspending the Episcopal Church reminds of this study on the “Death of Denominations” in the TPCmagazine.org The Progressive Christian Magazine – a pluralistic, ecumenical magazine with articles that are willing to “foster vigorous dialogue and debate” and “challenge conventional wisdom” http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/death-of-denominations/

  • Troy Day
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Troy Day

    From the Bible facts, no one can prove the assertion that Jesus did not intend denominations. Rather, denominations are implied by Christ’s command to “go and make disciples,” and by Paul in his many admonitions to deliver to people his specific doctrine, and what he generally called “my Gospel.” It was intended that converts stay in the main stream of apostolic teaching and authority, and not drift off after this or that new teacher or new “gospel.” Paul warned the Ephesian church,

    Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

    Moreover, the spirit of independence is often born of schism, which Paul deprecated, see Rom 16:17, 1 Cor 1:10, 3:3, 11:18.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    Denominations are man-made dogmas, including oneness, twoness, and threeness. GOD only said, be HOLY.

  • Troy Day
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Troy Day

    Are denominations Biblical? If so, where do we see them as nadated by God in the NT, and if not, how can the existence of them today among Bible-following Christian groups be justified? Finally what proposals can be made to remedy the current situation in Christendom? Philip Williams RichardAnna Boyce

    I notice no one seems to want to engage in my question. It might cut a little too close to the bone maybe? Pastors who make their living from a “tythe” and who would loose their livelihood if they came “out” of their denomination have indeed life changing choices to make. But it’s worth it if it means following our Lord’s leading. Many protestant pastors have lost materially when they returned to the Catholic Church. I’d already lost everything many years before. My prayer is that those whom the Holy Spirit is speaking to – and I am convinced that their are some, possibly lurkers here- will have the courage to come out of the confusion that Martin Luther launched. Yes – the Catholic Church needed renewal – but the way St Francis did it before him – not the divisive manner of Luther.

    • RichardAnna Boyce
      Reply August 23, 2019

      RichardAnna Boyce

      i have a vested interest as i go to a non denominational pentecostal church. Biblically apostles letters were sent to the saints at Ephesus etc; or maybe saints at 1st st , 2nd st, 3rd st etc.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 23, 2019

      Troy Day

      non denominational pentecostal is an oxymoron and probably full with heretical teachings

    • RichardAnna Boyce
      Reply August 23, 2019

      RichardAnna Boyce

      Troy Day we read the Bible for all it is worth according to AOG Gordon Fee, and not according to denominational bias. We earn rewards in the Millennium for faithfulness to Holy Spirit teaching not denominational teaching.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    There is nowhere in the HOLY SCRIPTURE and so-called denomination, No Apostolic, no Pentecostal, no Baptist None.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    GOD said be HOLY!!!

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    Dogmas will send all people to the pit.

  • Troy Day
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Troy Day

    AGAIN I do not see anything in the NT upholding denominations. However, I do see examples of NT leaders keeping each other accountable. In that regard, denominations are a good thing. My opinion is that without denominations, we would have a lot more issue with rogue pastors grossly distorting the Gospel.
    I am not well versed in the history of denominations but I would hope that the structure or concept pf denominations started with the same idea as Paul guiding the different churches as described through the NT.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    GOD said, Matthew 16:17-18 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

    18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    Denominations are theologies of men, not GOD.

  • Troy Day
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Troy Day

    Denis Herve Mercier This is not even what the “Death of Denominations” article in The Progressive Christian Nov/Dec 2008 is about

    I;ve discussed with William DeArteaga prior the
    Anglican Communion suspending the Episcopal Church which reminds of this study on the “Death of Denominations” in the TPCmagazine.org The Progressive Christian Magazine – a pluralistic, ecumenical magazine with articles that are willing to “foster vigorous dialogue and debate” and “challenge conventional wisdom” http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/death-of-denominations/

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    Each denomination has it owe way to get to heaven. JESUS said John 14:6
    6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. JESUS also said John 14:15
    15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. SO GOD said to be Holy.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    There is no good Denomination, not one.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    ONE church not two or a thousand churches. We are in HIS Church or in a man-made church.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    2 Corinthians 6:17
    17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. So obey GOD.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    I did, Once JESUS opened my heart to HIS truth, I came out of her, the whore churches.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    False teachers, Pastors knows the bible inside out but still lost.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    The devil knows the Scriptures too, where is he going.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    Baptist has some truth, oneness Pentecostals have some truth, trinity Pentecostals have some truth. But JESUS has all truth!!! Come out of these devil churches you are in.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    So what should all of you do Repent, come out JESUS said.

  • Troy Day
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Troy Day

    so whats your REAL point? Denis Herve Mercier

  • Philip Williams
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Philip Williams

    They exist for professional clergy, which seems as much problem as denominations, where power corrupts.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    GOD never said that we should all go to where we like the teachings of men theology. Point Denominations were started by the devil himself, to confuse the church people like he the devil did Eve.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    Ephesians 4:5
    5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    Above said One LORD, who is JESUS, One faith we must all believe the bible way alike, One baptism, not two or three ways.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    1 Peter 1:15-16
    15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;

    16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

    Leviticus 20:26
    26 And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the Lord am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    John 5:39-40 3
    39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

    40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    Even if you receive the HOLY GHOST and are baptized in the Name of JESUS CHRIST, it does not guarantee we make it to heaven.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    What happened no one fears the LORD our GOD anymore. So people do what they want, go to any false denomination church and wake up in hell. for being in a lie.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    Isaiah 56:10-11
    10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

    11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
    Jeremiah 23:1
    23 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the Lord.

  • Denis Herve Mercier
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Denis Herve Mercier

    Leviticus 15:31 (KJV)
    31 Thus shall ye separate the children of Israel from their uncleanness; that they die not in their uncleanness, when they defile my tabernacle that is among them.

    2 Corinthians 6:17 (KJV)
    17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

  • Troy Day
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Troy Day

    Denis Herve Mercier not sure that what you are saying relates to death of denomin. from OP

    • Isara Mo
      Reply August 23, 2019

      Isara Mo

      Troy Day
      The DEAD KNOW NOTHING…
      As it is to men so is to DENOMINATIONS..

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 23, 2019

      Troy Day

      DEAD CHURCH WALKING

    • Isara Mo
      Reply August 23, 2019

      Isara Mo

      Troy Day
      We were DEAD in our transgressions before being saved..and yet we WALKED.
      Yes, DEAD and walking and talking and teaching and worshiping “God” t

    • Isara Mo
      Reply August 23, 2019

      Isara Mo

      Troy Day
      Brother Day may i be a bit bolder in my assertions..
      The Pharicees and Saduceees and teachers of the law and elders in Jesus time DIED..
      But the same spirits are alive today and kicking in DENOMINATIONS..
      Paul lamented about this kind of people..
      //For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.
      Romans 10:2//

  • Isara Mo
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Isara Mo

    //They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’ ”
    Matthew 15:9 NIV//
    When teachings and worship.have human.foundations what should the righteous do?
    Turn to Jesus who is the TRUTH..

  • Isara Mo
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Isara Mo

    //And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
    I Corinthians 2:4‭-‬5 //
    Pursuasive human preaching teaching and wisdom existed during Pauls time…
    It forms a greater percentage of teachings and preachings in Chritendom today…eloquence, brillliance, intelligent presentation of the WORD in the form of denominations but LACKING power..
    Jesus promised POWER and the disciplies received it and demonstrated it…
    The writer of the above epistle who came into the scene later also proved the Lord Jesus was truth by a message and a demonstration of power..
    Who silenced the Spirit of the Lord, who blocked Him, who put Him.in a corner, who restrains Him…
    Human wisdom and rules and instructions and revelations…
    When people chose to LEAD THEMSELVES instead of being LED the consquences are DEATH…

  • Isara Mo
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Isara Mo

    A demonstration of the SPIRIT and POWER…
    Jesus was the embodiment of this(Acts 10:38 …how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and POWER…)
    So were the aposles..Paul inclusive..
    Religion is salvation without the Holy Spirit and Power…
    The Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of Life in Christ.
    How can a church have a Spirit of Life and at the same time manifest death?…

  • Derrick Stokes
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Derrick Stokes

    If I remember correctly, in Acts we see the first denominational split which brought about the Council of Jerusalem.

  • Rick Ferguson
    Reply August 23, 2019

    Rick Ferguson

    Are there any denominations that openly claim that joining them results in salvation??

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 23, 2019

      Troy Day

      the catholic church? Philip Williams

  • Troy Day
    Reply August 24, 2019

    Troy Day

    Rick Ferguson the catholic church? Philip Williams

    • Rick Ferguson
      Reply August 24, 2019

      Rick Ferguson

      Troy Day that’s not a denomination. That’s a totally different religion.

    • Troy Day
      Reply August 24, 2019

      Troy Day

      Rick Ferguson the catholic church is not a denomination ? Philip Williams may strongly differ here

  • Troy Day
    Reply August 25, 2019

    Troy Day

    Philip Williams is the catholic denomination dying ?

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DEATH of DENOMINATIONS: Are denominations Biblical?

Posted by in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post

Are denominations Biblical? If so, where do we see them as nadated by God in the NT, and if not, how can the existence of them today among Bible-following Christian groups be justified? Finally what proposals can be made to remedy the current situation in Christendom?

John Kissinger [01/31/2016 7:41 AM]
John Ruffle not sure if you were around when we discussed the DEATH of DENOMINATIONS with Terry Wiles Tell us what you think after you read it http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/death-of-denominations/

John Ruffle [02/01/2016 2:06 AM]
I notice no one seems to want to engage in my question. It might cut a little too close to the bone maybe? Pastors who make their living from a “tythe” and who would loose their livelihood if they came “out” of their denomination have indeed life changing choices to make. But it’s worth it if it means following our Lord’s leading. Many protestant pastors have lost materially when they returned to the Catholic Church. I’d already lost everything many years before. My prayer is that those whom the Holy Spirit is speaking to – and I am convinced that their are some, possibly lurkers here- will have the courage to come out of the confusion that Martin Luther launched. Yes – the Catholic Church needed renewal – but the way St Francis did it before him – not the divisive manner of Luther.

Corey Forsyth [02/01/2016 8:49 AM]
In the strictest sense, I do not see anything in the NT upholding denominations. However, I do see examples of NT leaders keeping each other accountable. In that regard, denominations are a good thing. My opinion is that without denominations, we would have a lot more issue with rogue pastors grossly distorting the Gospel.
I am not well versed in the history of denominations but I would hope that the structure or concept pf denominations started with the same idea as Paul guiding the different churches as described through the NT.

Carolyn Parker [02/01/2016 1:10 PM]
Carolyn Parker I was to a Reviival one night anda singing group got up to sing in the song they were singing said there wasn’t going to be no denominations in heaven I saw people get up and walk out we are all going to be one

Petko Ekov [02/02/2016 6:53 AM]
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