theology September 28, 2017 Can someone entirely sanctified lose salvation? Posted by Link Hudson in Facebook's Pentecostal Theology Group View the Original Post Can someone who is entirely sanctified lose his salvation? Or is it a case of Once Sanctified, Always Saved? losesalvationsanctified Previous articleChurch of God in Christ – The first few years Next articleWhat is your view of 2 Peter 3:12? 47 Comments Reply August 16, 2017 Jim Price Link, while this is a serious question; I think the answer remains a mystery Reply August 16, 2017 Jeffry Woolston We’ll understand it better by and by. Reply August 16, 2017 Jeffry Woolston Once sanctified always sanctified if you stay sanctified. IF we walk in the light (of sanctification) as He is in the light, then His blood will keep us sanctified (cleansed from all sin). Is not sanctification “freedom from sin and it’s negative effects .i.e. habits”? Reply August 16, 2017 Street Preacherz Why chew so hard? Reply August 16, 2017 Gene Brown Pick up your cross follow Jesus, sanctification comes as you grow! walk in the light as Jesus is in the light, and you will not stumble, if you should repent, and March on, never give up. You do not have a licence to sin. Reply August 17, 2017 Kristin Sawyer I don’t think Salvation is necessarily a done deal the moment we believe perse`, I think it’s a continual walk. Faith without works is dead, of course our works isn’t what saved us, it’s Christ, but like in the OT things had conditions, Jesus want’s us to take up our cross and follow Him. Reply August 17, 2017 Troy Day No one can answer your question Link Hudson Once Sanctified, Always Saved is just a combo of your baptistic upbringing. I dont believe there is once done anything in the constant already but not yet tension in Pentecostal theology Nothing is once done until the fat lady sings or Jesus comes back (or fat lady sings upon Jesus coming back Street Preacherz ) Reply August 17, 2017 Link Hudson Troy Day well, my upbringing wasn’t ‘Baptistic’ aside from a visit to a Baptist church every year or two, maybe one Baptist VBA and Baptist weddings and funerals. I spent countless hours in Pentecostal churches growing up. If you aren’t sanctified once for all, then why view sanctification as a one-time step after salvation? If you’ve got to be sanctified continually, why is it one step, and one step after salvation at that? What is the difference between your viewpoint and the viewpoint of most other Christians then? Reply August 17, 2017 Troy Day Link Hudson It’s called backsliding Answers ALL your questions !!! Reply September 3, 2017 Benjamin C Bratvogel Yes apostasy….would lose such, and blasphemy against the Spirit. Reply December 14, 2017 Tim Anderson If they are “entirely” set apart I take from that they are always entirely doing God’s will, or set aside doing his purpose, so I would say No, its not possible. Reply December 14, 2017 Troy Day Ricky Grimsley Another good question for Calvinists who made it to heaven Reply December 14, 2017 James L Alldredge All who are saved are sanctified, all who are sanctified are saved, to lose one is to lose all since they are 2 parts of the same whole Reply December 14, 2017 Troy Day Some are saved, sanctified and filled with the Holy Ghost Reply December 14, 2017 James L Alldredge Salvation consists of Justification, Sanctification and Regeneration, they are simultaneous at the moment of being born again. What the holiness / pentecostal movement calls sanctification is better defined as being “perfected” (made fit for the purpose / maturing into fruitfulness), not sanctification. Sanctification is the act of being separated for God’s use and applies to all “who are called saints” Reply December 14, 2017 Troy Day Dont forget conversion + adoption, but I am more concerned with the ones who still speak tongues but have lost their salvation Reply December 14, 2017 James L Alldredge Speaking in tongues is not relevant to salvation, Balaam’s donkey proved that Reply December 14, 2017 Troy Day irrelevant reference – Balaam’s donkey did not speak in angelic tongues Reply December 14, 2017 James L Alldredge The donkey speaking was a miraculous event authored by the Spirit, I find it more relevant than most of “angelic” tongues which have no interpretation and most often just someone “proving” how spiritual they are Reply December 14, 2017 Troy Day Even today, if you insist in speaking in tongues in some churches you may get your donkey beaten Reply December 15, 2017 Matthew Freeman There is only one way to be entirely sanctified in this life….your dead lol Reply December 15, 2017 Troy Day Paul said we need to die daily for sin ie. to be entirely sanctified Reply June 5, 2019 Lyndsey Dunn Can someone entirely married get a divorce? Can someone who changed directions on their journey complete a second U turn? Romans 11 shows the the concept of belief as a prerequisite to being grafted in both for Jews and gentiles. He warns that God is kind and stern. This example shows someone grafted in because of faith can be cut off because of unbelief. Faith is the key to God’s gift of grace. Don’t loose your keys! Rm 11 17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. 22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree! Reply June 6, 2019 Troy Day good point I think the question was asked in one shape or form by Link Hudson I also sow it in a video somewhere by someone who may have looked or sounded like him but was missing the point on entire sanctification calling it a zap Reply June 6, 2019 Link Hudson Troy Day I do not recall if I did a video on that but there have been those who see sanctification as a one tine post salvarion experience at the altar. Reply June 6, 2019 Lyndsey Dunn Link Hudson no one can pit “one time” against “process” as two detrimental theologies. As the song says “He’s still working on me.” However, I would love to see you try to and convince someone who has been completely set free of drugs, smoking, drinking, sex addiction, and healed in their body miraculously from terminal disease, and had their families restored, that they need to go back and go through a long process. They are still in a process now and no one can deny that, but they can only speak of what they have seen and heard. Someone needs to explore this theologically in the world of academia for sure. However, the ignorant and unlearned will just have to listen to Jesus in the meantime; when they are healed and set free He says “go and sin no more.” Reply June 6, 2019 Link Hudson Lyndsey Dunn there ate plenty of people who were set free of such rights at salvation. Does the Bible teach they need a new one-time experience? My concern here is that our doctrine matches scripture. Reply June 6, 2019 RichardAnna Boyce show me a verse in NT that says a justified/born again believer can lose his/her eternal salvation please. Reply June 6, 2019 Lyndsey Dunn RichardAnna Boyce Romans 11 Reply June 6, 2019 Lyndsey Dunn RichardAnna Boyce But it’s better to read chapters 1-16 to understand the concept of the gospel. Reply June 6, 2019 RichardAnna Boyce Romans 11:28-32 What follows from vv 28-32 summarizes not only vv 1-27 but also the entire content of chaps. 9-11. When Israel rejected the gospel (9:30-10:21; 11:7,11; 1 Thess 2:14-16) the nation became enemies of God, causing Him to reject them (9:6-29; 10:16-21; 11:1-24:255). In God’s sovereign plan this occurred for the sake of Gentile salvation (11:11-15). Nevertheless, though God has turned to the Gentiles, He does not hate, nor has He fully rejected the Israelites. Concerning the election they are still His chosen people (though temporarily set aside), and are therefore still beloved for the sake of the fathers. God’s special love for the elect is an outgrowth of His love for the patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; cf. v 16) and the promises He made to them (Ex 2:24; Deut 7:7-8). God explains that His free choice of election is based on His gifts (that which is freely given) and callings (“invitation to experience a special privilege,”). These are irrevocable. Though the term irrevocable appears at the end of the English sentence, Paul emphasizes this act of God by placing it at the beginning of the Greek sentence. Paul emphatically believes that God will never renege on any promise to Israel. 11:30-32. Paul now explains how God’s electing love for Israel in vv 28-29 is further expressed in vv 30-32. As Gentiles (indicated by you; cf. v 12) were once disobedient to God (perhaps thinking of 1:18-32), they have now obtained mercy because of Jewish disobedience (perhaps thinking of 2:1-3:8). Yet because God showed mercy to undeserving Gentiles (you) after the Jews rejected Christ, undeserving Israel (they) will likewise receive mercy and believe in Christ at some point in the future (cf. vv 23,26-27). Israel’s disobedience is preparing them to be ready and willing to receive mercy when God again turns to them in the Tribulation period that completes Daniel’s 70 th week prophecy (9:24-27; cf. Rom 9:26). Hence, at the end God levels the playing field, having committed Jew and Gentiles (i.e., them all) to disobedience so that mercy can come equally to all. Reply June 6, 2019 Lyndsey Dunn RichardAnna Boyce Jew and Gentile are required to be pure, made right, conformed back into the likeness of God. The empirical theme of nations is a fun topic but let’s stick to the individual heart for now. Jews and gents must be made righteousness. Paul reveals this is by faith. The hidden mystery of the Gospel, the savior was revealed as the word. Without faith it is impossible to please God. We are made right by faith being in perfect obedience by the grace of God. We can divorce our sin and flesh, let’s hope none divorce their new spirit before the end of the race. 2 Pet 1 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,”[g] and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.” Reply June 6, 2019 RichardAnna Boyce Lyndsey Dunn 2 Peter 2:20-22 When Christians therefore are duped into following the licentious lifestyle of such men, it is a serious matter if they do so after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Peter is not referring here to newly saved individuals who are still struggling with sins they committed before they were saved. Instead, Peter is referring to people who have grown sufficiently in the knowledge of Jesus Christ so that their escape from the pollutions of the world has been real (cf. “actually” in v 18). This word for knowledge in this epistle denotes the vehicle whereby God equips believers for holy living (1:3). To have found this knowledge powerful enough to liberate one from the pollutions of the world, and then to turn away from it back into depraved conduct, is serious indeed. It is so serious that for those who do this, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. This last idea, of course, does not suggest that such people (duped believers) end in hell (cf. John 6:35-40). On the contrary, it refers instead to the actual conduct of such people; since conduct is precisely what is being discussed. When anyone escapes an immoral lifestyle through the knowledge of the Lord, and then if he abandons the holiness he has found, he will sink more deeply than ever into the pollutions of the world. The words the latter end is worse for them than the beginning very nearly reproduce the words of Jesus in Matt 12:45 and Luke 11:26, “the last state of that man is worse than the first.” Although the Bible always affirms that salvation is absolutely free and can never be lost, it never treats a Christian’s defection from God’s path lightly. For a godly saved person to abandon the Lord’s righteous standards is to court His righteous wrath and to invite tragic personal disaster. It is a fool’s pathway (cf. v 22). 2:21. Therefore it would be better for Christians not to have known the way of righteousness than turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. Peter does not say that in such cases it would be better for a person not to have known Christ. Since eternal salvation is guaranteed by faith alone and cannot be lost, there are no circumstances under which not knowing Christ as Savior would actually be better. It is the path of righteousness that they would have been better off not knowing. If a mature Christian, therefore, returns to corrupt behavior after walking in the path of righteousness, his time on that righteous pathway will prove counterproductive. Since a fall from that pathway leads to deeper degradation in sin, the time spent on the Christian road has led to a worse result than otherwise would have been the case. A second thing Peter does not say is that such people turn from Christ. Rather they turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 2:22. Those who follow this spiritual deception behave in a gross and degrading way. They behave like a “dog” that “returns” to eat its “vomit” or like a “sow” that has been all “washed” off but goes back to “wallowing” in its favorite mud hole. This pointed proverb is simply a straightforward and highly unflattering description of the conduct of those who heed the false teaching. They are behaving like disgusting animals! Once again, of course, we observe here the uncompromising realism of the NT writers. They know the saving grace of God, but they refuse to gloss over the enormity of the failures to which believers are liable unless they stay close to the Lord and depend on His strength. Reply June 6, 2019 Lyndsey Dunn RichardAnna Boyce Please refer to the whole chapter of 2 Pet 2. Paul’s logic is to prove God’s past character and based on this unchanging character He will act accordingly in view of false teachers and those who live blatantly in sin. Unrepentant hearts who have once held positional holiness in Christ believing on his name but giving up their progressive holiness in order to serve the desires and sin of the world. There is only hot or cold. Anyone who chooses to live in blatant sin spits in the face of God and is an idolater no matter if they just heard of Jesus or first believed 30 years ago. Without holiness no one will see the lord (Heb. 12). Reply June 6, 2019 Robin Motz Can’t God do whatever He wants to anyone at any time because He is all-powerful? Reply June 6, 2019 AJ Gambhir Robin Motz I think you also need to understand that His Want or desire is not same as what human brains think. His Criteria is Godly criteria or righteousness based. Calvinism is not based on righteousness of a person, it is an excuse giving theology in the name of hypergrace Reply June 6, 2019 Michael Hazlewood God will never contradict His Word – ever Reply June 6, 2019 Michael Hazlewood We are not nor can be totally sanctified till the DAY OF REDEMPTION – Ephesians 4:30 KJB Reply June 6, 2019 Troy Day not what the BIBLE says now is it? Ephesians 4:30 New And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Reply June 6, 2019 Michael Hazlewood Troy Day You are neither condemned nor saved yet ACTS 2:38-39 , 19:1-6 KJB READ and OBEY or burn Reply June 6, 2019 Troy Day Michael Hazlewood seems like you aint got no clue what entire sanctification IS but keep on posting anywho Reply August 4, 2019 Troy Day once Mohler touches the question of whether a genuine believer in Christ can truly fall away from faith in Christ, he makes the usual assertions in support of the doctrine called “eternal security” (but Calvinists would rather use the phrase, “perseverance of the saints”), which clearly contradicts what the Bible reveals. WhaT DOEAS THis tell us about entire sanctification today?? Nelson Banuchi Reply August 4, 2019 Nelson Banuchi Troy Day, it tells me that sanctification, as well as salvation, is an ongoing process that is fundamentally conditioned on our continuance in faith in Christ. Reply August 4, 2019 RichardAnna Boyce Holy Spirit wants entire sanctification but not compulsory. Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified…. with no mention of sanctification. Can any believer lose salvation? Reply August 4, 2019 Nelson Banuchi No one loses salvation; they forfeit it. Rom 8:29-30 focuses on God’s part in granting salvation and assumes continuance in faith. Reply August 4, 2019 RichardAnna Boyce Reformed Pentecostals: this verse concludes the Reformed ‘Golden Chain’ because no one is ‘lost’. ‘Everyone predestined was called; everyone called was justified; everyone justified was glorified. Reformed argue this proves ‘perseverance of the saints’. Free Grace agree we are ‘eternally secure’ but Reformed have totally different view, saying all who are justified will necessarily persevere in faith AND GOOD WORKS or they were never elect/ justified in the first place. They promise progressive sanctification until physical death. FG say sanctification is conspicuously absent because Romans 5-8 is all about freedom from the power of sin, and there is NO guarantee of progressive sanctification in the Bible. To mature we must co-operate with Holy Spirit; choose to present our members to Christ (6:12-14); and choose to walk or follow according to Holy Spirit (8:1-14a). All believers will be glorified; but in what sense and to what degree? 8:17b – 25 the potential for those believers willing to suffer for Christ to bring Him even more glory; this is limited by our lack of response to Holy Spirit in this life. The righteous acts of the saints (Rom 8:4) will be woven by the Master Weaver into the white robes to be worn by the saints when they return with Christ at the Battle of Armageddon to the wedding Feast of the Lamb (Rev 19:8-9, 14). Reply August 4, 2019 Isara Mo If he was in heaven NO but as long as he lives in this bustle hussle world, YES…he can lose it quick Leave a Reply Click here to cancel reply. Cancel replyComment Name Email Website This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.